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It is important to note that there are other users editing from this IP range (75.47.0.0/16).

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User changes IP about once a day.

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Statement of the dispute

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This is a summary written by users who are concerned by this user's conduct. Only users who certify this request should edit the "Statement of the dispute" section.

Cause of concern

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Disruption

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A user in the IP range 75.47.x.x has been editing articles about California highways for some time, at least since 2007-12-07 ([14]). Has been edit warring.

Examples:

Unresponsive to others' concerns; ignores messages on his/her talk page and often outright removes them (see [27], [28], [29], [30]). I had to threaten a block (for disruption) to get him to respond at all ([31]). Can be hostile ([32], [33], [34]). Makes bulk changes without discussion ([35]). Does not use article talk pages for discussion.

Removing others' talk page comments (user's own page not included): [36], [37]

Changing a redirect into the former article, making some edits, and reverting to the redirect for no apparent reason: [38][39]; refuses to explain why: [40]

Vandalizing this RFC: [41] and again: [42]

July 2008

Harassment

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After reverting an edit made by User:PhATxPnOY916 ([43]), user reverts changes made by PhATxPnOY916 on several unrelated articles ([44], [45], [46], [47], [48]). Is asked to stop by PhATxPnOY916 ([49]). 13 days later he does it again ([50], [51], [52]).


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Applicable policies and guidelines

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  1. Disruptive editing
  2. Harassment
  3. Civility
  4. Talk page guidelines

Desired outcome

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This is a summary written by users who have initiated the request for comment. It should spell out exactly what the changes they'd like to see in the user, or what questions of behavior should be the focus.

75.47.x.x becomes more responsive to questions and uses article talk pages as an alternative to reverting.

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

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Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute.

  1. Evil saltine (talk) 04:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I have tried and failed to communicate. --NE2 05:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Rschen7754 (T C) 05:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. He deleted my comments from his talk page. RussNelson (talk) 03:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  5. I've told him not to change a template on his talk page, he erased it with apparent understanding, only to revert for no reason a couple of days later. He's also been highly uncivil, calling multiple users "liars" - CL — 05:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Count me in too. He attacked me several times on his talk page after I blanked his abuse of helpmes and politely told him he was doing wrong. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 02:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Additional users endorsing this cause for concern.

  1. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 05:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2.  — master sonT - C 12:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -- PrestonH 02:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 07:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Geniac (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Questions

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Response

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Response to concerns

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Applicable policies and guidelines

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Users endorsing this response

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Outside view by Scott5114

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This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.

I haven't been extremely involved with the 75 IP, but I definitely think that there's something that may need to be done with this user. 75 seems to try and make good-faith efforts to improve the encyclopedia, but their choice of contributions is so far off the mark that a lot of editors find the need to watch over the IPs to check to see if there's anything that needs to be cleaned up. Attempts to reach the IP are largely pointless, as the user has the tendency to merely revert anything posted to its talk page, using edit summaries such as "Just stay out of my way"[61], "Just don't bother me, i have nothing to say"[62] and "rm incivility" [63] even when the posted discussion is by no means incivil. The user has also reverted others with edit summaries such as "IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!!!!"[64], "STOP THAT!"[65], "I don't believe you! Why aren't you telling the truth?!"[66], "Stop Being Fanatic!" [67], "Sorry, you are denied to submit your text; please avoid nonsense and lies from this moment" [68].

The diffs presented above demonstrate, to me, a fundamental assumption of bad faith. Many of 75's edit summaries are incivil and could even be construed to contain personal attacks. Several users have attempted to reach out to this user and help guide them towards Wikipedia's accepted modes of conduct; however, the user has responded by either ignoring their input or outright belligerence. Numerous chances for reform have been extended to this user, but they have no intent to take those opportunities. Therefore, I believe that more drastic action may need to be taken against this user.

Users who endorse this summary:

  1. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 21:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Evil saltine (talk) 21:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Rschen7754 (T C) 22:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. RussNelson (talk) 04:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Seems he/she may be getting even worse than before [69]. MSGJ (talk) 15:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  6. CL — 05:15, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Geniac (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  8. KelleyCook (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  9. --Splat5572 (talk) 03:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  10. You forgot about 75.47 has deep civil probelms at times. He often post edit summaries with slurs, Like FUCK YOU which is TOTAL UNACCEPTABLE summaries. I don't know if he even belong to Arisol's socks becasue Aristols has more civility than 75.47s. I can picture if he wasn an admin he would deelte stuff, lock pages, and block users in a abusive way, which is harmful to community. The other summaries I see is who cares or you joking which is not a good edit summaries.--Freewayguy What's up? 17:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I think he got the "who cares" by imitating one of my summaries :) I wonder if he got the "fuck you" from you? --NE2 17:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NE2, please don't curse; that's uncivil. --Splat5572 (talk) 02:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Additional views

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Technical input from User:Alison

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Hi all. I was requested to weigh in on this RFC. Note that the range in question isn't quite as wide, but WHOIS shows it to be 75.47.128.0/17. Even still, checkuser indicates that there would be a massive level of collateral damage were this range to be softblocked or hardblocked - Alison ❤ 07:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Proposed solutions

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Discussion

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What do they have in common?

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Well, In March 75.47s was lying about Rschen7754 and try to trick me by posting garbage messages on my talkpage. The other times 75.47s harass 68 IPs, Splat5572, Dabby, AL2TB with sock tags. I don't what do they have in common.--Freewayguy What's up? 23:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ever since Scott blocked 75.47s IP for incivility for 2 mos which was fair enough he harasses, stocks, and lies about me on Commons about attacks which is like 2 month ago. I hadn't even made any unciil acts after the block, plus I left some users an apology,--Freewayguy What's up? 23:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that Artisol2345 may be the same as this editor was expressed at Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Artisol2345 (2nd). There is also a Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Artisol2345 which contains a number of 75.47 editors. EdJohnston (talk) 18:36, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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