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The list was promoted by Giants2008 20:10, 18 June 2012 [1].

Malmö FF league record by opponent

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Nominator(s): Reckless182 (talk) 22:22, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This league record for Malmö FF is part of my effort to promote articles and lists regarding the club to featured status. I believe the list offers everything the reader would like to know about the league record of the club. Thank you! --Reckless182 (talk) 22:22, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from —Cliftonian (talk) 11:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Cliftonian
  • "the Malmö FF have won sixteen" rephrase this
  • "sixteen national championship titles and fourteen national cup titles". you should put numbers with more than one digit in numeral form (16, 14)
  • "the 77th overall" should be "its", "their", "the side's" or similar
  • "in the two clubs' 144 league" "two clubs" is not necessary, just "the clubs'" will do
  • "Matches from the Allsvenskan play-offs held between 1982 and 1990 are not included, however matches from Mästerskapsserien held in 1991 and 1992 are included, Mästerskapsserien was held as a secondary league stage to crown the Swedish champions while the Allsvenskan play-offs were held as a cup stage to decide the champions." Rephrase this, try "These statistics do not include results from the Allsvenskan play-offs (held between 1982 and 1990), but those from Mästerskapsserien (held in 1991 and 1992) are included. The Allsvenskan play-off round was held in cup format at the end of the league season to decide the national champions, while Mästerskapsserien was a additional league stage with the same purpose." or similar
  • "avoid confustion," woops, typo: confusion
  • I'd move one of the images up into the "Key" section, and lose the other one: having them in the "All-time league record" section squashes the results on my monitor, causing the "First" and "Last" columns to wrap rather unattractively, which also makes the rows uneven
  • I see no problems with notes or sources. Alt text is present and of a good standard.

I hope all of this is helpful. Good luck, and well done so far! —Cliftonian (talk) 23:08, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All of these issues are now fixed. Thanks!--Reckless182 (talk) 10:07, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks man! --Reckless182 (talk) 14:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Malmö FF playing against AIK in a 2009 fixture" worth telling us who Malmo is in the shot (i.e. dark red or light blue?).
Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Forgive my ignorance, but "The club is affiliated with Skånes Fotbollförbund, " what does that mean and who are Skanes Fotbollforbund? Perhaps a slightly more detailed explanation for our non-Swedish, non-expert readers?
I added a translation. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "goalscorers against Malmö " see no reason to italicise "against" here.
Removed. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Check sorting of the club names. I would think that English readers would expect to see "Örgryte IS" sort with the O's and "Ängelholms FF" with the A's. Also, maybe would expect "Råå IF" to sort before "Reymersholms IK" etc. See what you think.
I can see why you would think so but they are actually correctly sorted as the the letters ÅÄÖ, in that order, are the last letters after Z in the Swedish alphabet, which is exactly like the English alphabet except for the last three. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since the table is sortable, link everything every time, most particularly the seasons.
Wouldn't that be WP:OVERLINK? I don't think I understand how the sorting ability would impact? I've only removed duplicate linking where Malmö FF have only met a team in one season. The link can easily be found in the left field, independent on how the table is sorted. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, over link doesn't apply to sortable tables where, after sorting, you have no guarantee that the first item is linked. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No matter what column you sort, descending or ascending, the first item will always be linked in the "First" column, all seasons are linked there, and if you sort in a way that makes the first item in the "Last" column unlinked it is available right next to it in the "First column". I don't see the problem but I'll link them all if you deem it to be necessary. --Reckless182 (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's a good argument! I'll buy it. Just looks a little odd with the combo of linked, unlinked and red linked in those two cols. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Alright! It's indeed a misfortune that not all seasons in Swedish football have an article, perhaps I'll fix that when I have some more time. Do you have any other comments? --Reckless182 (talk) 19:14, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 5 has (Swedish) while all others have (in Swedish), and its position in the reference looks different too.
Done. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Arsenikk (talk) 13:57, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments by Arsenikk (talk)
  • I'm confused: how many times have they won the league? Needs to be slightly rephrased so it is understandable how many leagues were won and how many titles were claimed (as far as I can see Malmö won the league multiple times without winning the trophy, but I had to check other articles to find that out.)
I added a sentence to try to make it more clear. I also added a footnote that was missing (A) that explains the nature of the Swedish Championship title. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does Malmö have a derby or other rivalry? Could these be mentioned in the lead as well?
I added a sentence to the lead. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't think italics should be used as they are in the captions. Similarly, "The Scanian Football Association" should not be in italics, although you can optionally use quotation marks to show that it is an unofficial translation, or you can just leave it bare.
Removed the italics. --Reckless182 (talk) 10:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise an excellent article. Nice seeing more than just English football at FLC :) (not that there is anything wrong with English football, mind you) Arsenikk (talk) 08:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers! --Reckless182 (talk) 15:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Very nice article, Two things, One is the alternative text in the dagger and double dagger which is missing, example: {{double dagger|alt=Defunct team}}, and second is the 7th ref Retrieved date which doesn't follow the rest of the dates formatting (2009-11-25 --> 25 November 2009).
      – HonorTheKing (talk) 11:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Both issues are now fixed. --Reckless182 (talk) 11:55, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot Honor! --Reckless182 (talk) 13:21, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • The "main rivals" sentence in the lead could stand to be cited.
  • Remove second "the" from "The team that the Malmo FF have met the most times..."?
  • Key: "while Masterskapsserien was a additional league stage...". "a" → "an"? Giants2008 (Talk) 18:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
All fixed. --Reckless182 (talk) 18:51, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Mattythewhite (talk) 15:34, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Looking at the other FLCs of this nature, the wikilinks in the "First" and "Last" columns link to league season aticles, rather than the "in [country] football" articles. Would it be possible for these wikilinks to be used instead? If most of them don't exist and the result would be masses of redlinks then don't worry about it.
  • "Teams with this background and symbol..." - maybe it would be worth mentioning what the current season is?

Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:06, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I clarified the statement about the current season, should be OK now. For the other season links, I could change the wikilinks since all of them are blue-links but I don't see the need since almost every one of the current links are blue links. Also, the current season articles display the league season tables for a few exceptions. I could add league season links for the red-links if you believe this is better? --Reckless182 (talk) 23:05, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you feel it's better with the current linking that's fine by me, just thought I'd throw it out there for your consideration. To be honest there wasn't much in the way of faults to pick out! Mattythewhite (talk) 15:34, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks man! --Reckless182 (talk) 16:29, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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