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Category:Characters with LL initials from Superman

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Characters with LL initials from Superman (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - I know the LL initials are a motif of the series but this is still a form of overcategorization by name. Otto4711 22:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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DC Comics objects

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The result of the debate was upmerge to both parents --Kbdank71 17:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Flash (comics) objects (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Superman objects (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Wonder Woman objects (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete all - small categories with little room for growth. All of the objects are already in the parent Category:DC Comics objects which has fewer than 40 articles, so clearly the categories are not being used for diffusion in any meaningful way nor is the parent so large as to require diffusion. Otto4711 22:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Terrans

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Terrans to Category:Terrans (StarCraft)
Nominator's rationale: Rename - many different science fiction stories use the word "Terran" so disambiguation is needed. Otto4711 21:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Austro-Hungarian people by occupation

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 17:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Austro-Hungarian people by occupation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: It's probably not in our best interest to start making categories by occupation for all amalgamation-nations that once existed. Bulldog123 20:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hip hop albums by label

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The result of the debate was No Consensus. --Xdamrtalk 20:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hip hop albums by label (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - another hip hop-specific category breakdown that does not appear to offer anything in terms of organizational utility. Otto4711 19:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, possibly rename This is one of the few categories that does make sense and, I think, would be too broad for a list or article. Although many labels come and go, hip hop recently celebrated 25 years, I believe, and some of those original labels are still around. Many label owners launched their growing empires through their music labels and now have broadened to influence almost every aspect of pop culture from music to fashion to art and television, and increasingly, politics. I think some of the other categories like French hip hop albums by label might be premature as long as there is another category like French music labels they can also be in for user ease. Also increasingly music production is a multinational endeavor so categories limiting to one country might be a tad meaningless. After reviewing categories further the national categories do seem fine but maybe break down by continents for user ease. Possibly rename as "album" is becoming archaic to Category:Hip hop music by label which is useful. Benjiboi 22:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Decca Records, Columbia Records, RCA Records, etc. have been around a lot longer that any hip hop label. The length of time that a record label or a genre has existed is not a good excuse for breaking down albums by genre and label. Otto4711 17:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of hip hop, it's very newness is actually the point. The birth and growth of hip hop directly parallels the growth of not only music television and videos but also the internet. This has meant that whereas older music genres have had established methods of distribution and sales and marketing and fan base usage, the newer music genre used many of those routes but also took advantage of new media. Benjiboi 21:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • None of which justifies creating an entire separate categorization system for hip hop. No one has felt compelled to create separate category schemes for disco or house or new age or trance or ambient or punk or new wave, all of which came into existence in the last few decades. While hip hop may have found all of these alternative ways to distribute itself (a claim I have yet to see backed up by a reliable source) such distribution methods are not exclusive to hip hop nor are they an endemic feature of hip hop. All of these hip hop categories smack of nothing more than "I like it so let's call attention to it." Otto4711 12:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hip hop record labels by nationality

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The result of the debate was No Consensus. --Xdamrtalk 20:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hip hop record labels by nationality (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - another hip hop-specific breakdown that isn't mirrored in any other genre and is not useful. Otto4711 19:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Although I first doubted the usefulness I have reviewed some of the many nationality articles and they speak of national pride and history intertwined with hip hop which is musical poetry of the oppressed. The Hip hop genre is one of the few music genres that came of age alongside the internet and MTV. Older established genres have had to re-adapt to new media and, I believe, less prevalent on WP. Possibly rename to Category:Hip hop music by nationality as "records" is becoming an archaic term and some hip hop producers produce music but not complete albums. Benjiboi 06:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So, the delete process was keep three months ago. has something changed in that time or what? Benjiboi 08:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What's changed is the precendent in the over-catergorization of the hip hop genre being broken down into genre by nationality by location, etc, as per the other deleted cats that Otto has listed. Lugnuts 07:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French hip hop labels

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The result of the debate was No Consensus. --Xdamrtalk 20:34, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:French hip hop labels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - this is the only by country breakdown of hip hop record labels. For whatever reason, hip hop has been broken down in ways that no other genre of music has been and none of it is particularly useful from a categorization standpoint. Otto4711 19:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Although I first doubted the usefulness I have reviewed some of the many nationality articles and they speak of national pride and history intertwined with hip hop which is musical poetry of the oppressed. The Hip hop genre is one of the few music genres that came of age alongside the internet and MTV. Older established genres have had to re-adapt to new media and, I believe, less prevalent on WP. Possibly rename to Category:French hip hop music to be inclusive to hip hop French music and companies producing it. Benjiboi 06:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Alumni of Watford Grammar School for Boys

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Old Fullerians. --Xdamrtalk 20:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Alumni of Watford Grammar School for Boys to Category:Old Fullerians
Nominator's rationale: Alumni of this school are known as 'Old Fullerians' as the school's main article states. This rename will ensure that the category is named as per nearly all of this type, e.g. Old Etonians Kernel Saunters 18:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just because the English use ridiculously opaque names to describe these people doesn't mean that a category shouldn't use more transparant language. Otto4711 01:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I expressed no hostility toward any person. I expressed hostility to language which is not understandable to vast segments of the English-speaking world. I would have the same response to categories named with ridiculously opaque Americanisms. Otto4711 14:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The principle is a very useful one in many WP contexts; please don't tell me it is misapplied here. Johnbod 14:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you mean it is a general and universal principle, the application of a general principle needs to be purposeful. Still, if your comments are supporting the renaming, we need not disagree! United States Secretaries of State clearly does not need to be renamed United States Foreign Ministers. Xn4 16:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We appear to have a choice between 1) a name that is incorrect and inconsistent with other related categories, and 2) a name that is correct and consistent. Which is more encyclopaedic - accuracy and consistency or inaccuracy and inconsistency? DuncanHill 14:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Legion of Super-Heroes

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 17:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Legion of Super-Heroes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Listify and delete - per consensus against categorizing members of super-teams. Nominated once previously and closed no consensus. If retained, articles for members should still be listified and purged from the category. Otto4711 17:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Ths category contains enough articles on the stories or the team itself that it is worth cleaning out with the AutoWikiBrowser and keeping. (On another note, look at Arm Fall Off Boy.) Dr. Submillimeter 19:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Again, while I agree that there is an element of "character by team", and to a lesser extent "Foes of Foo", the cat does contain a good measure of material on other subjects related to the comic book series. Since the characters included are almost solely used within those series, and the articles are not extensively interlinked, the cat looks valid. - J Greb 06:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - categories for character-specific supporting characters, including one for LOSH supporting characters, were deemed inappropriate and deleted per this CFD so the use of this category to lump characters together is inappropriate on that ground as well. Otto4711 14:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - move this out of "DC comics superhero teams" to "DC Comics", then listify the members (drop that list back into "DC comics superhero teams"). There are enough related entries, like Legion of Super Heroes (TV series), Legion Lost, Legion of Super-Villains, etc. for this entry to have purpose, it is currently being misused and is a mess in need of cleanup but not deletion. In normal circumstances members of the LoSH would be moved to their own sub-cat but this would be instantly listified, so I see moving them off to a list as cutting out the middleman in this process. (Emperor 15:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]
  • Keep. This category is about more than team membership. Doczilla 07:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hindu denominations

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 17:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hindu denominations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This category is an AWFUL mess. See what it contains and you'll understand what I mean Kkrystian 17:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In fact (despite what the template on the caegory itself says - these can be misleading) I'm not sure the nom was intending deletion. The category now does look cleaner than I remember it a few days ago, so thanks to someone. What about a rename as suggested above, to include "schools" - surely the more commonly used term? Johnbod 00:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Acutally, from my knowledge both Hindu denomination and Hindu schools exist. The term schools is used for different types of Hindu philosophy whereas denomination is used for different sects. At the moment, the schools of Hindu philosophy [[eg. Advaita) aren't in the category, so I think it is fine as it is, though maybe another category called Schools of Hindu philosophy is needed. You can read the Hinduism page to see how the terms are differentiated. GizzaDiscuss © 00:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Green Lanterns

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Xdamrtalk 20:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Green Lanterns (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - per consensus against categorizing members of super-teams. List of Green Lanterns exists so no additional listification is needed. Otto4711 17:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. That's true. We've gone through and agreed to delete a lot of team categories. !Doczilla 05:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as "characters by team" cat consensus is to avoid. One additional thought though... as with the premise underlying Flash (comics) below, it may be a good idea to Upmerge the contents to the parent cat first. - J Greb 06:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sinestro Corps

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Xdamrtalk 20:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sinestro Corps (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - per consensus against categorizing the members of super-teams. An appropriate list exists in the lead article Sinestro Corps so no further listification is needed. Otto4711 17:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. That's true. We've gone through and agreed to delete a lot of super-team categories. Doczilla 05:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as "characters by team" cat consensus is to avoid. One additional thought though... as with the premise underlying Flash (comics) below, it may be a good idea to Upmerge the contents to the grandparent cat first. - J Greb 06:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Flash (comics)

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 17:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Flash (comics) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - serving almost entirely as a container category for Flash villains, which by strong precedent is improper. Absent improperly categorized articles the remaining material does not appear to require an emponymous category. Otto4711 17:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This looks like it contains a few articles on the stories, such as Flash of Two Worlds, The Flash (TV series), The Flash (video game), and two lists as well as two subcategories that all belong in a category together. It would be better to clean this up using the AutoWikiBrowser than to delete it. Dr. Submillimeter 19:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - While I agree that most of the listed articles (30 of the 55... 57 if the objects cat is merged up) are supervillains/foes, they are also, for the most part (1 is arguable), characters used primarily or solely in comic book series revolving around the primary Flash characters. The remaining are articles covering primary characters, supporting characters, locations & items, in addition to the articles the actual comics and related media. Given that these articles are not extensively inter-linked, the cat seems valid. - J Greb 06:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - categories for character-specific supporting characters, including one for Flash supporting characters, were deemed inappropriate and deleted per this CFD so the use of this category to lump supporting characters together is also inappropriate. Otto4711 14:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Otto4711 is right. Defining characters by their appearance in comic books does not work, as characters will appear in many comic books. (Rick Jones (comics) is a good example.) I believe it even goes against the wishes of WikiProject Comics (which does not even want to categorize characters by team). Moreover, many categories for characters by adversary have even been blocked from recreation. Dr. Submillimeter 17:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair point... but it does beg a question. If we remove all of the character (ie stop it from being a side step of the "No 'Foes...' and 'Cast...'" ban), is there enough potential in articles for the fictional locations, fictional items, games, comics, story arcs, etc to justify the cat? I think there may be, but I'm not sure. Thoughts?
    (Side note: I think this is similar to Emporer's suggestion up page under the Legion CfD. Also, if may mean that the parent/grandparent Category:Green Lantern for the Green Lanterns and Sinestro Corps also needs to be looked at.) - J Greb 20:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - The category would be small, but it would contain enough material to justify having the category. Moreover, the category has potential for growth. I could imagine many articles being written on the Flash comic books. Dr. Submillimeter 09:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American Methodists

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 17:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American Methodists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Same as below - hopelessly broad. The Evil Spartan 15:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Methodist politicians

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 17:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Methodist politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: A hopelessly broad category that could never hope to be complete The Evil Spartan 15:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bonesmen

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The result of the debate was speedy keep per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Deletion_discussion, which says "After a deletion debate concludes and the page is kept, users should allow a reasonable amount of time to pass before nominating the same page for deletion again, to give editors the time to improve the page. Renominations shortly after the earlier debate are generally closed quickly". The nominator has not advanced any arguments which move the debate beyond the previous discussion less tan two months ago, which considered the issues at length, and (per WP:DEL) "it can be disruptive to repeatedly nominate a page in the hopes of getting a different outcome". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bonesmen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: This is the perfect example of a category that should be listified instead of categorized. Half the people on this list are presidents, and the category just becomes category-cruft under their name. This was nominated once for deletion before at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 26. The Evil Spartan 15:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It's a fraternity, which we've deleting left and right; and every fraternity is unique, but all are trivial; there is a list in the article of its notable members, if the membership is important to the biography it'll be mentioned there; if anyone cares to follow that link they'll see all the other notable members, so nothing is lost. Carlossuarez46 22:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Back to the Future music

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The result of the debate was Delete. --Xdamrtalk 20:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Back to the Future music (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - small category with no likelihood of expansion. All but one of the items are miscategorized and the one remaining aricle doesn't need this category. Otto4711 15:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ghostbusters music

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ghostbusters music (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - of the seven items in the category, two are improper performer by performance articles for composers and three are for songs which were not written for the film. The remaining two do not require this category, which is small with no likelihood of expansion. Otto4711 15:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of fictional places

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 20:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest merging Category:Lists of fictional places to Category:Lists of fictional locations
Nominator's rationale: Merge - redundant. Otto4711 14:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Metropolis Records Releases

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 20:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Metropolis Records Releases (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Rename to Category:Metropolis Records albums, convention of Category:Albums by record label. -- Prove It (talk) 13:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Old Citizens

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Old Citizens (City of London School) --Kbdank71 20:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Old Citizens to Category:Alumni of the City of London School
Nominator's rationale: Rename, because the present name in unclear: I first saw it in the article on Hal Miller, and assumed that it was some daftly-named new category for old people, along the lines of "senior citizens").
It turns out to be for former pupils of the City of London School, who call themselves "old citizens". That is of course their privilege, but while many other such names (such as Old Redingensians) are merely obscure, "Old Citizens" is a deeply misleading category name, and I would be surprised if as many as 1% of readers guessed that Category:Old Citizens was anything other than a category for old people.
Nearly all the sub-categories of Category:People by school in England are named in the "old Fooian" format, but one is called "Former students of Foo", and three are called "Alumni of Foo". I have no particular preference for either format, but have proposed "alumni of" since it is fractionally more widely used.
I have looked in the guidelines, and while WP:NCCAT offers nothing helpful, WP:COMMONNAME offers the following guidance: "In cases where the common name of a subject is misleading, then it is sometimes reasonable to fall back on a well-accepted alternative". BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Previous CfR: Note that this category was previously discussed in December 2006, with no consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this has been proposed before. Old Citizens is the correct usage, English schools rarely, if ever, have alumni. DuncanHill 10:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Other bodies of the European Union

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Non-institutional bodies of the European Union --Kbdank71 20:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Other bodies of the European Union to Category:Non-insitutional bodies of the European Union Category:Non-instiutional bodies of the European Union Category:Non-institutional bodies of the European Union
Nominator's rationale: Rename - The term "other" is vague. The term "non-institutuional" is used in the category description and the text of the corresponding article on the topic; teh category name should use that term instead. Dr. Submillimeter 09:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Unofficial Football World Champions

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I note that no rationale for deletion has been offered. There are categories for winners of World Cup, European Championship etc: why not for this title? Kevin McE 08:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hollywood inspired

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Hollywood inspired to Category:Bollywood films inspired by Hollywood films
Nominator's rationale: Rename - existing name is vague. Or delete as non-defining and requiring OR to establish membership. Otto4711 07:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hollywood dance agencies

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hollywood dance agencies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - small category, seems unlikely to expand. Not part of a larger structure of dance studios by city. Otto4711 07:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hollywood Rose

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hollywood Rose (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. The members subcat and name article do not require a category. Otto4711 07:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wayans family

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wayans family (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. As with many other show business family categories, the articles are extensively interlinked. There is no need for the eponymous category for navigational purposes. Otto4711 06:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and per Doczilla. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 18:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very strong keep -- OK, we all know Otto4711 personally despises any and all family categories (is he letting his personal POV cloud his judgment when it comes to these family categories?). But his original intention was to only delete those family categories that had a head list/article that listed all of the family members in one place and allowed for even quicker interlinking. Now he has changed his mind (for whatever reason) and has started nominating articles without these (once required) head lists/articles. He may say that "the articles are already extensively interlinked" but categories are always the easiest and cleanest way to group similar information, and it's best if a user can see it all in one place; "interlinking" doesn't even come close to the usefulness of categories, and we all know that. Also, Category:Hollywood families continues to dwindle as more and more of these subcategories are deleted. Finally, there is a definite paucity of African-American categories/articles/topics on Wikipedia, and I say that the more we can retain the better. The Wayans family is a very notable African-American show-business family in America, and they deserve a category just as much as any other notable family. For all of the aforementioned reasons, I vote to keep. I'm also surprised at your vote BHG: have you now given up on family categories too? --172.133.41.211 07:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Why We Fight

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Why We Fight (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - small category with no potential for growth. All of the films are linked through the main article and a navtemplate. Why We Fight (2005 film) is unrelated to the series except for being named for it, making it overcategorization by name in common. Otto4711 06:27, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:IRL films

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:IRL films to Category:Films about interracial romantic relationships
Nominator's rationale: Rename - the existing name makes absolutely no sense and the rename is in line with other subcats of Category:Films by topic. In the alternative, delete as non-defining, since films with such relationships are not necessarily "about" them. Otto4711 06:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, listify if anyone wants to. Lists are much better for this sort of topic, because a list could explain the significance of the interracial romantic relationship(s) in that film: "Illicit love between a Nazi stormtrooper and Gay Jewish Gyspsy in Poland in 1942", "Film about an orangeman in Derry; one minor character is his estranged sister who married a papist"; "Romantic comedy about an eskimo who marries a bedouin and goes to live the Negev desert"; "Story of a South African rugby team in the 1950s, one minor character is dropped for marrying a black woman", etc --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per BrownHairedGirl. At the first I thought it is about this IRL. Pavel Vozenilek 14:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Generally, categorizing films by content does not work well, as films may discuss multiple subjects. Moreover, it may be difficult to determine whether such a relationship anyhere in the film is sufficient for meeting the vague inclusion criteria. For example, if two minor characters form a mixed-race couple, would that film be included in the category? What a biograhpical film where a person is briefly in a relationship with a person from another race? An article discussing the topic in general while citing a select few specific examples would be much better. Dr. Submillimeter 16:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename There is no reason to delete this category. And the majority of the films are based on the relationship or the relationship has a significance in the film. Like LGBT-related films, some it may not be directly related but it deals with it and is important in interracial love/relationships and miscegenation history. And also Dr. Submillimeter, yes some of the films may talk about other topics as with most films do but it is still significant and important for some, enough to be mentioned.--Migospia†♥ 23:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify. -Sean Curtin 05:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as ultimately vague, POV, non-definitional, and not encyclopedic. "Inter-racial" is a very US or Western centric viewpoint. What defines race? What defines whether the movie is "about" it? And as (US/Western) society's attitudes about race change, films "about" inter-"racial" relationships are less remarkable or defining. Carlossuarez46 19:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Subcults

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Subcults (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: unnecessary parent caegory, only contains one hild cat, New Religious Movements, and is also POV since it is classed under "cults" implying that the groups mentionned under New Religious Movements are also cults. Sfacets 03:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Russ Meyer actresses

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Russ Meyer actresses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, as performers by performance. -- Prove It (talk) 01:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Black Wall Street

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Black Wall Street (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization for what appears to be almost a vanity label that according to its article has released only one album. If kept, it needs to be renamed Category:The Black Wall Street Records to match the lead article. Otto4711 00:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Hulk Enemies

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The result of the debate was deleted and salted --Kbdank71 18:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Hulk Enemies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, apparently you have to fight them in the Incredible Hulk (video game). Not defining. -- Prove It (talk) 00:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:New Age female spiritual leaders

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 18:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:New Age female spiritual leaders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Delete, Isn't spiritual leader subjective? Or at least rename to Category:New Age spiritual leaders. -- Prove It (talk) 00:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, I think it's an interesting phenomenon that in the New Age movement it is women who often become spiritual leaders. Though there are many male New Age leaders, this category is at least interesting. Copy Editor 06:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The term "spiritual leader" seems to be used to broadly encompass authors or people with any level of leadeership position in any New Age movement. Using more specific categories would be more appropriate. Dr. Submillimeter
Comment With the exception of Helen Schucman, all people currently listed in this category have led congregations or spiritual groups at some point. And I might add that A Course In Miracles, the book that Helen Schucman wrote (or allegedly channeled from Jesus), has been used as the basis for various churches, such as Endeavor Academy. Laughing Jesus 08:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Game

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Game (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete - eponymous overcategorization. The material does not require this categorization to interlink it. Otto4711 00:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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