Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yamaha Grand Prix results

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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yamaha Grand Prix results

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WP:NOTSTATS violation. A similar list to this, related to MotoGP, was deleted by AfD a month or two ago (can't remember the exact title). This is just a list of results for cars that used Yamaha engines; as such, they are not "Yamaha Grand Prix results". In fact, the title is also misleading; when I first saw it, I thought this was going to refer to MotoGP, not Formula One, as that is where Yamaha enter as a constructor. Article is unreferenced, has been tagged as failing GNG since March, and is orphaned. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:03, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a table supporting a short paragraph in the Yamaha Motor Company article but does not work as a standalone article. A merge would certainly unbalance the article. On the face of it the table suggests a pretty woeful record in the sport, but without analysis that might be wholly misleading as there could be many more reasons for retirement than engine failure. It is conceivable that Yamaha's venture into car racing would be a suitable topic in its own right but not under this title. --AJHingston (talk) 11:51, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[1] is a pretty good analysis of the Yamaha F1 saga, although it is obviously neglecting the tail end of 1996 and the whole of 1997. The Yamahas were never strong engines; initially they were reliable enough, but lacking in power, and then they destroyed the reliability looking for more power. :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:07, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is certainly a story here. In its way, your remarks tell us far more than either the brief para in the main article or the table here. An analysis of the results (eg, in what proportion of starts did the engine blow up?) rather than the raw data would be quite useful in something covering the venture, because this is not a case where the results can safely speak for themselves. There are lots of reasons for a DNF. And of course it lacks the wider perspective of the Formula. --AJHingston (talk) 13:31, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is indeed a story; one day, if I feel like it, I may write an article on "Yamaha in Formula One". :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:47, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:01, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 09:27, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.