Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkic people of Iran

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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 10:56, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Turkic people of Iran

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Procedural nomination for IP editor 112.120.188.231 (talk) and I am neutral on the outcome. Reason left on the talk page was: This is a redundant article. Its content copy-pasted from other articles like List of ethnic groups known as "Iranian Turks" (same article), Iranian Azerbaijanis, Khorasani Turks, Ethnicities in Iran, Demographics of Iran and etc. Either should be deleted or merged with List of ethnic groups known as "Iranian Turks" TonyBallioni (talk) 17:33, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:04, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:04, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Keep Iran has significant Turkic population. 3 other wikis use the same article. Naturally english version of wikipedia could have the same. The article has relible sources. Hundreds of thousands of such articles could be found in en Wikipedia. They all have relible sources; this has too. There is the article List of ethnic groups known as "Iranian Turks" since years in Wiki. When a thing has a list then logically it could have also an article. Matreeks (talk) 16:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm the ip who nominated this article. It does not provide anything new. The user just copy-pasted its content from other wiki articles (mentioned in my rationale). The above comment by User:Matreeks proves that he have just decided to create his own version. He thinks wikipedia is a big blog service and articles are just like blog posts, so everyone can create duplicates, redundants and forks as much as he/she wants. Maybe a safe zone for his future povs, analyses and ownership. Just wants to have an article on English wikipedia without providing any valid reasons. He created a duplicate version of that list. And List of ethnic groups known as "Iranian Turks" is a similar article. The list has those ethnicities too. And it's easier for readers to browse the list and click on main articles if they're interested. Plus, read Ethnicities in Iran and Demographics of Iran, both of them cover same information. And all sections of this article are copy-pasted stuff from articles of those ethnic groups.118.241.110.61 (talk) 22:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not bring your taboos in wikipedia without logical reasons. Wikipedia is not a good place for biased mindes. I think you may have personal problems with Turkic people and you want to censor the reality about them. The article List of ethnic groups known as "Iranian Turks" is only a list that reflects the name Iranian Turks. In overall Wikipedia Turk means citizen of Tukey but Turkic has total another meaning. We need this article in Wikipedia which is about more than 30 million people. Turkic peaple of Iran is a neutral article and reflecs the reality of Turkic people who live in Iran. This article is steadily under extension. Matreeks (talk) 09:38, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Merge with List of ethnic groups known as "Iranian Turks". Seems that the two complement one another. I see parallel articles such as Iranian Arabs, Assyrians in Iran, Persian Jews, and so on. Seems appropriate. Also seems to expand on other articles beyond a copy-paste. Montanabw^(talk) 08:19, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - it is pov synthesis probably for irredentism. Iranian Azerbaijanis are not a true ethnic Turkic group, they are a population that have adopted a Turkic language and certain aspects of Turkic culture and so should not be grouped together with much smaller but genuine ethnic Turkic groups like Turkmen or Qashqai or Afshar. All the population groups detailed in the article already have their own individual articles and Ethnicities in Iran is sufficient as the main article. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 17:37, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

you say they are not true ethnic Turkic groups?! We are not more in Nazi Germany! pleas do not forgot it! Faanee (talk) 10:41, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What constitutes a people aside from a shared language and culture? Azeri Turks do indeed fall under the Turkic category; there are reasons to delete this article but Azerbaijanis "not being a true ethnic Turkic group" is not one of them. Yilangren (talk) 20:59, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DNA investigations indicate they have a different origin - the genetically Turkic groups are descendants of incomers, the bulk of Azeri Turks came from native populations who became Turkified. "Iranian Azerbaijanis, also known as Azerbaijani Turks, are a Turkic-speaking people of mixed Caucasian, Iranian and Turkic origin" - (sourced content from Azerbaijan (Iran)). Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 03:10, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep - This article is a good article about Turkic people of Iran with sources. I can not understand why it is nominated for deletion! Apparently many Turkic people live in Iran (some resources claim it as tens of millions). We have now many such parallel articles in Wikipedia. Faanee (talk) 10:41, 6 November 2016 (UTC)— Faanee (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Possible WP:SOCK, made his first edit in this page. -- Kouhi (talk)

Confirmed as being sock of Matreeks [1] who has already given an opinion here, so I have struck out this keep opinion. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:32, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- Per IP's comment. This is overkill. There's already an article about them. -- Kouhi (talk) 16:16, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete which is surprising considering I would've assumed similar pages exist for other countries (e.g. "Turkic people of China" or "Iranic people of Uzbekistan"), but they don't, and solely based on consistency I vote delete. If such other pages existed, keeping this one would be a no-brainer. In fact, to be honest the article List of ethnic groups known as "Iranian Turks" should be deleted too if we're going to be consistent across geographies (but I think we should focus on this article for now). Yilangren (talk) 20:56, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:CONTENTFORKING. --Wario-Man (talk) 08:33, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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