Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Milena Leticia Roucka

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sandstein 17:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Milena Leticia Roucka

nn model/independent wrestling manager. The article was previously deleted in an AFD under Milena Roucka and is now salted. I assumed someone made a page with her middle name to get around the salted version. An attempt was made to speedy delete the page but was denied (although maybe that should be reconsidered). The AFD was about a year ago, and she was managing at this independent promotion at the time, and is still doing that today, so her notability has increased very little in the time span, if at all. There are sources, but they are all deadlinks, results, or merely mention her in passing, nothing from any major publication that shows notability. There is a long line of other failed diva search contestants that have been deleted, as well as other performers in said promotion. Biggspowd 22:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Here's the previous AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Milena Roucka — Scientizzle 22:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Eventually if she debuts on WWE TV somebody is going to be creating the page anyways. This is seriously stupid look at these articles Talia Madison & Mercedes Martinez they are female wrestlers with alot of expirience and they have nothing on their article and it's fine. So if the page was considered "deletion" there is already stuff Roucka has done so they can make an article I mean even though she is in the developmental still doesn't mean she can't have an article. For example how come the male developmental wrestlers article's aren't considered deletion? There is articles of the male developmental wrestlers worst than this one. Seriously is it the divas only the articles you'll considered "deletion"? Come on, there are the male developmental wrestler article's worst than this one. Art 281 00:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As per AFD etiquette "Please disclose whether you are an article's primary author or if you otherwise have a vested interest in the article", I would like to point out that the above user has made a majority of edits on the Milena Roucka page. I also would like to point out WP:CRYSTAL and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as arguments to this entry. Biggspowd 01:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now - sufficient media coverage.--Addhoc 01:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know what your idea of "sufficient" is, but that search is anything but. I checked them all out, and they are all basically press releases that say her name in passing. They just listed the names of the diva search contestants (most of whom are not notable), that doesn't give any notability, it's just her name in passing. Biggspowd 01:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, those are trivial mentions at best, which does not equal "sufficient media coverage". Those articles are about the Diva Search itself, not Roucka. Nikki311 02:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete own web site/ trivial mentions/directory info etc do not confer notability Corpx 02:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment She isn't not notable? Are you kidding me? Please what do you want to see if she exists!, her address!. You'll are making a big deal about this, the article has everything it needs. Art 281 03:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - Very notable, modelling, wrestling, acting. Notable, WWE Magazine, OVW TV. I Don't even know why is for deletion. AquariusBoy01 21 August 2007
Comment I would like to let the WP community know that the above user recreated the article, and has a majority of the edits on the page. Dannycali 03:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - agree with AquariusBoy01, her notability derives from her wrestling career and her celebrity status. The current version of WP:BIO indicates that "competitors who have played in a fully professional league" are notable, so possibly she could be considered notable even without media coverage, which is admittedly press releases, tabloid journalism and lad mags. Addhoc 22:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: OVW is not a fully professional league. It is WWE's main developmental territory, which is similar to how major league baseball teams have associated minor league teams. — Gwalla | Talk 18:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No increase of notability since last afd. This should have been speedied as repost of deleted material. Just a minor league wrestling valet, many of them have been deleted. All the references and media coverage only mention her in passing, and that does not show the notability needed in terms of multiple independent sources. Dannycali 03:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - she's in WWE's farm territory and has been for some time. The article needs a major facelift, though. Delete. Davnel03 14:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you just defeated yourself with your comment there, being in the minor leagues of pro wrestling is not guaranteed notability. She is clearly not notable, and this should have been speedied since it was already deleted in AFD. Also, this afd may be set to close soon, I would like to hear from others who do not have a COI in this article so that a true consensus can be reached. Here's someone on near the same notability level that was deleted [1]Dannycali 17:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest you have a look at the civility policy. Addhoc 17:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do know what being civil is, I believe I raise a legitimate point. Dannycali 18:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable valet in a developmental promotion. "Model" means very little (what has she modelled for?). Come back when and if she gets a pro contract. — Gwalla | Talk 18:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Nikki311 18:02, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball? What are you talking about there isn't anything there that is supposed to take place in the future. Art 281 22:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Reply - She was saying that she may or may not be released from her contract before she makes a main roster television debut with the WWE, so policy demands that we not speculate that she will and keep the article on the grounds that she will be notable soon. The Hyb rid 22:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails the notability policy at this time. The Hyb rid 22:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - To whoever put what has she modelled for, look at the career section - User:AquariusBoy01 24 August 2007 —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 22:55, August 24, 2007 (UTC).
  - We did look, it just quite simply isn't notable, and lots of models of similar credentials have been deleted. I crossed off the vote part of your comment to avoid confusion when it is tabulated. Dannycali 02:14, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Sandstein 17:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]