Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death and funeral of Henry Kissinger

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Henry Kissinger#Death. I'm closing this as "Merge". It's up to editors interested in this subject to decide what, if any, of the content is worth moving over to the subject's article. Then this page can either become a redirect or you can take it to WP:RFD and argue about whether or not it should be deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death and funeral of Henry Kissinger

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I don't find this page to be particularly necessary; his funeral is private and the page is just short quotes from the U.S. and other countries. the only important parts of this are already echoed at Henry Kissinger#Death. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 23:01, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, Politics, United States of America, and Connecticut. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 23:01, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. There's nothing notable about the death itself. Even the section on his page will likely be truncated as soon as it isn't breaking news. Zebradreams07 (talk) 23:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm undecided. Leaning keep or Merge and then redirect - I think the death was sufficiently covered it may justify a standalone article. The current state of an article is totally irrelevant to whether or not we nominate it for AFD. On notability alone, this probably passes. Though, I personally would consider merge the appropriate path. It likely warrants a standalone article on notability, but this does not necessarily mean it is the most appropriate avenue. Merging relevant content into the Death section of the subject is probably better than a standalone article. I personally feel this should have been a merge discussion rather than AFD. Kind of a weird spot though. — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So, why I nominated this article for deletion if I wasn't sure, better said, I left the article intact and I wasn't deliberately putting in the deletion template, with the respect that you deserve, ok 8.242.167.228 (talk) 23:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: the notable portion already exists in Henry Kissinger. Nothing to merge, and an unlikely search term for a redir. Owen× ☎ 23:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maintain, this article is very good and don't deserve erased, guys. 8.242.167.228 (talk) 23:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rename I don't think the funeral merits a dedicated article, however I do think having a separate page to include more national and international reactions for such a controversial figure would make sense. Expanding the article and renaming to either Death of Henry Kissinger or Reactions to the death of Henry Kissinger could work. (the second one has already been used for similar circumstances, see Reactions to the death of Elizabeth II or Reactions to the killing of Osama bin Laden) --jonas (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I would agree with you if not for the fact that they're all just brief comments and the amount of them (right now, at least) don't compare to either of the articles you linked. both were pretty much world events; Henry Kissinger's death was fairly minor compared to the two. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 01:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge if not expanded, move if expanded The existing content in the article is basically what's on Henry Kissinger, but if the article gets significantly expanded (which is quite likely), the article should be kept and moved to Reactions to the death of Henry Kissinger per jonas. ❤History Theorist❤ 23:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you doubt, so, why I nominated this article for deletion if I wasn't sure, better said, I left the article intact and I wasn't deliberately putting in the deletion template, with the respect that you deserve, ok 8.242.167.228 (talk) 00:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Henry Kissinger - Madeleine Albright, Colin Powell, Warren Christopher, Alexander Haig had their death details incorporated into their bio articles. — Maile (talk) 04:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete Obviously we do not need a separate article for the topic and we do not need to compile platitutes by unrelated people. Those that are actually more relevant can be summarized in the main article, and this is not comparable to Elizabeth II. Reywas92^Talk 05:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this can all be duly covered at his bio. Iamreallygoodatcheckers^talk 05:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Re-direct into Kissinger's bio page. GoodDay (talk) 05:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect As I feel it is a better outlet for AfD that an article be redirected not deleted, the remainder of this article should be merged into the appropriate section of the main Henry Kissinger article. Conyo14 (talk) 18:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Henry Kissinger#Death. I agree with Conyo14 and others that there is no need for a separate article at this time, but a redirect with any relevant content merged to the appropriate section would be useful. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 18:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge,as others have said Inspector Semenych (talk) 18:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect As an WP:ATD: It's a valid search term and title that would likely be recreates as a redirect anyways. Redirects like this title are are created all the time. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like a redirect to Henry Kissinger#Death makes sense here. SWinxy (talk) 23:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per others above ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 02:17, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no significance outside of the subject themself. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 07:37, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per others Wiki O'Ryan (talk) 23:42, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge would indeed be the wisest choice here. TH1980 (talk) 02:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, I can see no significance of this article outside of the news cycle and the biography of Kissinger, Bacus15 (talk) 12:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per others Ryme071 (talk) 20:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - There's barely an article here. It consists of 3 sentences and then a reactions section. -- Cosmic6811 🍁 (T · C) 05:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge a trimmed down version per others above, avoid turning it into a memorial. There is no need or sourcing to support a stand alone article. // Timothy :: talk 17:19, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete since all there is to Henry's singular page is "quotes", and even though it's developing, his funeral might be somewhere soon but the death of George H. W Bush has pictures of the Rotunda, state funeral and military salutes, in other "Death and funeral" wikipedia pages of others like Pope John Paul II. There are pallbearers taking the coffin of John Paul, in these pages. They describe how they died either in the page or in their own article but Henry's only cause of death on his death and funeral and Wikipedia page is nothing, barebone editing. No natural causes or something. In the article, it literally says "also stated that the funeral would be private" which essentially makes the entire page not at all a good page. Nowhere near a Featured nether a Good Article. 70.167.194.163 (talk) 18:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge This article is mostly random quotes that could be merged into the main article. If it had more substantial content then it might be worth keeping. Mori Calliope fan talk 20:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as I don't see much content here worthy of being merged; Henry Kissinger#Death already has the relevant reactions. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge There hasn't been significant developments other than immediate reactions from public figures, and the funeral has been kept private with few details, it looks like also there won't be a memorial service as initially planned so a slimmed down version of this article could easily be fit into the main subject's article. See for example: Rosalynn Carter's section on how even a public memorial service didn't even need a full article.

Hyperba21 (talk) 19:50, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.