Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azizkend

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 19:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Azizkend

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There are strong doubts that such a place exists. The coordinates do not show anything reasonable (note that I have also checked Yandex Maps, which are generally reliable in the region); no sources with the name have ever found; maps do not know the name in Armenian. Unless we have sources, it probably should go. Ymblanter (talk) 16:39, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. Ymblanter (talk) 16:39, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There are no reliable sources that are in any language. The source that is cited's link doesn't work, and when other users read it, they figured out the source had a political point of view. I agree that we should speedy delete this. If this is a hoax, (which I think it is) it would have been one of the longest hoaxes on Wikipedia! Thanks, Cupcake547 ^(talk) 17:37, 26 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]
OpenStreetMap data gives a "building" within a "farmyard". This has been a one-sentence article for almost 13 years, and that sentence is a falsehood. This is unverifiable. Uncle G (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Having spent a bit of time researching this the best I can as someone who speaks neither Armenian or Azeri I have been completely unable to find anything that supports the existence of this "town". The coordinates in the article take you to a random farmhouse and halfway up a mountain. The article was created based on only an entry in a geographical place names database, and given the huge number of erroneously created articles that have been deleted over the last year or so (I think we're up at over 1000 so far) I'm hesitant to believe this place exists purely on a database entry. User:AntonSamuel has checked the Armenian census records and confirmed that no place by this name was listed in the 2011 census, and at least one other editor who seems to speak fluent Armenian has been unable to locate any sources (see the page history). The source Carlossuarez46 added to the article is by an author who has worked extensively on the Western Azerbaijan political concept, i.e. the belief that all of Armenia is lost Turkic lands that rightfully belong to Azerbaijan, Here's his AZ wikipedia page. That book is naturally going to be biased and I wouldn't consider it to be a reliable source for the names of places. Everything I see here points to this being a random farmhouse that has been mistakenly entered into a name database and has resultingly had an Azeri equivalent name published in a book. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 21:32, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Changing my vote to Keep per the source found by Peter James and the rewrite by sportingflyer (which has been reverted for some reason), which shows there was a village here at one point but it's been abandoned for 70 years. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 14:20, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The mass-creator wrote a trite "Too bad you don't read Azeri; several sources." on the talk page, but he needs to show up or shut up. He made many thousands of articles using the GEOnet names database, which is not substantive enough for inclusion in the encyclopedia, and it's quite obvious these supposed "sources" were not involved in the pages' creation. Elvazlu has a key line to it that should be scrutinized as well. Reywas92^Talk 00:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No signs that this town exists. Seems to be made-up. CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's in the National Encyclopedia of Azerbaijan (http://ensiklopediya.gov.az/az/terms/19815/cild/20). It probably existed but there is no village there now. Peter James (talk) 18:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per the utter failure of sources to exist. Nothing against the nation of Armenia, but this was mass-created as part of a very large set of articles with similarly nonexistent sources. jp×g 03:49, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't Irani. SportingFlyer T·C 15:26, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh shit! jp×g 17:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Google translating the Azerbaijani encyclopaedia shows the WP:V necessary to get this past WP:GEOLAND. I've updated the article briefly. Almost certainly nothing in English about this topic. SportingFlyer T·C 09:39, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Only two foreign sources included about the existence of this place, one without references (removed) the other named after a political concept/view. Town not mentioned in the Armenian 2011 census, nor in any other Armenian sources.

The source I added which you removed because it had "no references"(?!?) specifically said the village was abandoned in 1949, so of course it's not going to be in the 2011 census. SportingFlyer T·C 15:25, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The census was done on all regions of Armenia, if the town is/was existed it would've been included. There is no mention of the town in other Armenian sources as well, and it doesn't show up in any maps too. This place most likely doesn't exist and there is only one supposed source for it which you added yourself, the other one being a political concept/view.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 15:38, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Maybe Armenia is different, but censuses don't typically include former places. WP:GEOLAND requires only WP:V and this is a historic place which has been verified by the Azeri government. SportingFlyer T·C 16:36, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - If that place exists it isn't former. There is no other verification of that place existing including maps, other Armenian sources, etc.. other than the one you included.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 16:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      - We have two Azeri sources discussing this as a former place, inhabited by Azeris, and if you search the Azeri term in Google it comes up with a Google link which calls it a "removed Azeri village in Armenia." Considering you've re-added the hoax and verification tags which I removed from the article, along with the Azeri translation of the place name which would be useful for finding additional sources, and your entire contribution history has been edit warring on Armenian/Azerbaijani topics, I'm finding very hard to assume good faith here. SportingFlyer T·C 17:27, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        The Azeri term comes from Azeri wiki version of the page which has the other source named after bogus political view/concept. I re-added hoax as there are no other sources beside the one you added and the political concept theory “source” is bogus and unreliable. Avoid casting accusations of “edit-warring” when my edits were done in good faith and resolved with the help of admin. Unless there are any other sources besides the political concept one and the one you added, the page should be removed imo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZaniGiovanni (talk • contribs) 17:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Welcome to the wonderful world of Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict, where a source is reliable if it supports one's side and unreliable if it supports the side of the opponent.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:45, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        If you look at my previous edit, I removed hoax myself as I saw new source provided. But after looking into it more, turns out the source is a bogus political view/concept and hence the reason I added hoax back earlier.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 17:58, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        ...it's from an official governmental website. SportingFlyer T·C 19:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        "official government website" isn't an argument for refuting my claim.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:35, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, pending a discussion of the includability of improvements by SportingFlyer. If contested material is removed from the article, the WP:ONUS is on the party proposing inclusion of the material to obtain consensus for its inclusion. However, it would be an irresponsible gaming of the system to allow the article to be deleted while the inclusion of the material itself remains an open question. BD2412 T 05:02, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete with the possibility of also following through other articles created on specious grounds. It's worth noting that the source Qərbi Azərbaycanın türk mənşəli toponimləri was the Azerbaijani government's answer to a similar multivolume effort by Tadevos Hakobian and other Soviet Armenian historians, Hayastani ev harakits shrjanneri teghanunneri bararan (Dictionary of toponymy of Armenia and adjacent territories -- the value of which, however, has been recognized by other scholars). Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 15:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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