User talk:Sluzzelin/Archive 3

Take care

All the best, 'Little Key'! Clio the Muse 03:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Clio is back, Sluzzelin, and you know why! There is a note on my talk page. Love Clio the Muse 00:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Willkommen zurück, re-bienvenue, welcome back ... im Cabaret, au Cabaret, at Cabarääääääää! ---Sluzzelin talk 14:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Opinions in section headers

Only losers don't know, and I'm not telling. Oh, go on then, but this doesn't mean you are one of the cool kids.

Actually, I - along with 99.9% of other editors - couldn't give a toss about opinion in section headers. What I am sick and tired of is the bltant hypocrisy: selective quotation of policy to suit an agenda on one hand, and the bleating about bias on the other. I'm tired of the endless wikilawering, from now on I'm going straight to AN/I, since it is only the real threat of action that motivates StuRat to follow consensus. Rockpocket 08:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Starr's Beach

That's a great map. Thanks for the site. Bielle 17:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The fishing map? (The second one was a google map). In any case, thank you, and enjoy what's left of World Turtle Day! ---Sluzzelin talk 19:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

Thanks for the link on the reference desks to 'Crux orthodoxa' it was a good read, pretty much what i was looking for, it seems that the cross is slightly ambiguous and has no defined reasons for extra beams. So again, thank you RobertsZ 19:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

You're more than welcome, Robert, and I thank you for raising this question I had never thought about. I recommend you keep an eye on your question, there are some editors at the humanities desk with an amazing repertoire at their fingertips, and there are some excellent knowledge diggers too. You might get more and better referenced information, which of course then could be included in the article. :-) Take care. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Here's a link to a site [1] that purports to explain all crosses. Scroll down to Eastern (Russian) cross. The seems to be some certainty about the top bar, but less about the slanted one at the bottom. Bielle 19:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, its lucky i came back here to see if you had got my message. Bielle's link is very good, perfect description of the various beams, and an interesting story about the origins of the slanted bottom beam.

Just as a side note, as a hopefully interesting point for you, my name is Roberts, with an 's', its Latvian you see. Kind regards RobertsZ 20:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Bielle! Don't you want to post the link at the desk too? And apologies, Roberts, for being presumptuous. (Indeed it is interesting, and I like Roberts. I'm wondering whether it should get an entry at the Roberts disambiguation page.) ---Sluzzelin talk 20:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Well i found something out today, apart from the Orthodox Cross meaning, i am named after a type of battleship, hah, thats probably not such a good thing. RobertsZ 20:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you kindly for your thoughtful gesture. I'll move it over to a my user subpage for safe keeping soon. I too think WP:RDAC is a great idea and have been thinking about ways of promoting it more. It seems to me that the templates on the Desk itself may be the best way of attracting attention, but the wording may have to be changed to encourage folks to improve the article, rather than simply state and article has been improved. I may also try and tidy up the main page, perhaps implementing an archive system for those that have been significantly improved. Rockpocket 09:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Artists of Illusions

I was fascinated by your list of artists who did work similar to that of Escher, prepared in response to the Ref Desk question on Escher.. I went looking to amuse myself and then added links to web pages with images on them for the amusement and/or edification of others. If this is a problem for you, or for Wikipedia, please feel free to remove them. And thanks for another bit added to my art education. Bielle 15:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm flattered, good work! Your action reminded me that I used to point out the articles' External links section more frequently at the RD. But you added some links that weren't even included yet at WP! That being said, and I meant every word I typed, you might wish to be careful when directly weaving references into other users' posts at the desks. I have seen editors react sensitively to this, because it implicitly attributes "other people's" links to them. For transparency and accountability's sake it might be better to add external links in a separate post. I'm still happy you did this though, and believe it served the original poster and other readers as well. Thanks! ---Sluzzelin talk 18:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems I have to type everything two or three times. I keep losing my text in the moves from preview to "Save Page". For the seond time, but none the less sincere for the trials, thank you for the advice about keeping my posts separate from the original answer. What if, in all innocence, I sent some poor soul off to a porn site and you were held responsible? It is always better to tiptoe very gently through someone else's tulips here on Wiki. I assumed that the History would make all clear, but it is unlikely most people would even think to check there. Peace. Bielle 22:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Architecture

Thanks for your answer on the Ref DeskMisc, how did you find it? Mhicaoidh 12:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

You're very welcome, and thank you for pointing out that fascinating building! I believe I googled "Soviet architecture" and "Tbilisi", and there it was. Yep. ---Sluzzelin talk 12:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Counterpoint outside Western music

Hi, Sluzzelin,

Hmmm… How do you want me to provide references?

I have some image files of ancient Chinese music scores. However, you may need a training to read it, their symbols are even different from modern Chinese.

Sean TX Wu (at txwu)

Hello, Sean. I hope my removal and reasoning didn't offend you, I really do think that including a non-Western perspective would make for a valuable expansion of the article's current scope.

First of all, I suggest writing about what is known and can be referenced. For example, your phrasing was vague ("it might have most commonly been", "the practice might have been existing in a lot of areas around the world".) Did it or didn't it exist? How did it exist? Where did it exist? What are the shared characteristics and where do they differ? etc.

Secondly, I'm not a scholar of Chinese music, but I do believe that techniques and aesthetic rules comparable to Western counterpoint can be found outside Western music. These comparisons need to be specific and referenced. "For example, we have found plenty of cases in Chinese music history in which the earlier ones might be traced back to thousands years ago." (Also, who is we?)

Finally, the language may be a problem, but not necessarily. I admit that I neither understand nor am even able to read Chinese (whether modern or not). Do any publications on counterpoint in Chinese musical scores or structures exist in English as well? This might be a starting point. If they exist in Chinese, some people might oppose their inclusion, but not me. If they're referenced they can be verified by other users who happen to understand Chinese, or by myself with help of a translator.

Once again, I hope you find a way to include this potentially valuable information. I have asked Antandrus to weigh in. He's a scholar as well as an administrator with a lot of experience regarding musical articles at Wikipedia. Maybe he can help you. Take care. ---Sluzzelin talk 10:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sluzzelin! First of all, *thank you* for stepping in there; I was getting very frustrated that I seemed to be the only one noticing that anon pushing his own coinage. I'm not sure where else to reach for help -- the Wikiproject CM maybe?

Regarding the use of counterpoint in non-western music, this does need to be covered, and referenced. Your comments are spot on. Counterpoint exists in music of many cultures -- there's a big section in the Grove article on non-western counterpoint, which is an obvious starting place (I don't have it in front of me right now). I can probably help with this. There could be a clearly written line in the lead, followed by a section in the article, with a cite to Grove or elsewhere. Thanks, and happy editing, Antandrus (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Greetings again. Grove covers it under polyphony rather than counterpoint, a significant distinction--counterpoint being, as they define it, a western concept. They admit there, however, that "counterpoint" and "polyphony" are often used interchangeably. They do not have anything specifically about Chinese polyphony in the polyphony article (covering in detail central Asia, Africa, and the Mediterranean region), however they have an extensive article on Chinese music, which I haven't looked at yet. Putting something in either the polyphony or counterpoint article would definitely be a worthwhile project. Thanks Sean for pointing out the omission, and thanks Sluzzelin for letting me know about this. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Antandrus,

Nice to know you.

In some Chinese classic operas and folk songs, there are forms for dialogues or leading singing and his/her supporting chorus. They sound more counterpoint than polyphony to me.

And as some ancient Chinese instruments, such as Koto, their counterpart progress of melody and base running also provide the functionality of counterpoint. GymSean(Talk) 18:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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Dear Sluzzelin,

I replied your message at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Counterpoint#Counterpoint_outside_Western_music_and_more

to get public interaction.

Sorry, I did not get used to manage the thread in wiki yet.

I also apologize for the homosynchrono. I did not mean to it since it was an error of a newcomer.

GymSean(Talk) 18:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

thanks

i dont know if you do any editing but i read on a website that Nkosie did meet his father at his moms feuneral. thanks --75.40.246.205 21:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)— its me sory i wasnt loged in --Sivad4991 21:46, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion would be greatly appreciated

Hello there, I am a fellow member of Wikiproject jazz. I was wondering, if you had a moment to spare, if you would be willing to give your opinion on a matter at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 15 concerning a category I created. The category is [[Category:Jazz musicians of New Orleans]], and it has been proposed that the article be merged with Musicians of New Orleans and American jazz musicians. This is precisely why I created the category, because it seemed to me the birthplace of jazz music and continous modern symbol of jazz certainly deserves a category unto itself. Regardless of your opinion, I would greatly appreciate your input there so as to have a discussion over the matter. Thanks. (Mind meal 03:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC))

Where are you?

I have not seen your signature for a while. I hope you have not abandoned ship! Clio the Muse 01:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Nope, still aboard, fell asleep under the potato peels. Are we in Salvador yet? I'm looking forward to burning my mouth on spicy Acarajés at the Festa Junina. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Hold tight-we sail on for the Horn. The captain says we must! Clio the Muse 22:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear oh dear, I fancied myself on a more enlightening journey than that. The wrong Captain, the wrong crew, the wrong continent, the wrong century! I shall close my eyes again and hope to awaken on yet a different vessel. ---Sluzzelin talk 23:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, Sluzzelin; I will be with you holding hands, no matter the voyage, either in this form or in this. Clio the Muse 00:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks in part to your support, I am Wikipedia's newest bureaucrat. I will do my best to live up to your confidence and kind words. Andre (talk) 09:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! ---Sluzzelin talk 11:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Jackal

Jackal is nonetheless a derogatory term (a filth-devouring animal, etc.) and we should avoid usage of terms that can be offensive. Consider: would you like to have your country or yourself compared to jackal? I think not. Not to mention such metaphors are not simply encyclopedic :) Countries are not lions, nor hyenas, nor wolves, nor anything alive :) -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  21:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I jumped in too soon and had misread anyway. I agree that we should be careful about all sorts of hurt feelings at the reference desk, including patriotic feelings, the offense of which I sometimes find very difficult to anticipate. I hold distance to all of "my" countries, who have also been compared to a selection of species throughout the centuries. I guess it's easier for me to empathize with offense being taken at racist and sexist remarks or religious defamation, for instance. Perhaps I lack the necessary empathy when it comes to nationalistic pride, but I do see your point, which is why I chose to remove my remark, and let your complaint stand. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

(Anyway, being "fat back cat cool like a Friday afternoon martini, chillin' at a quarter after 5." aint that bad a reference. They called him 'The Jackal'". ;-) ---Sluzzelin talk 22:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Aphex Twin`s page

Hello. Please come to the talk page discussion. Thank you very much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.110.162.113 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Dbachmann

Please do not delete content from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Dbachmann. Your edits do not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use Wikipedia:Sandbox for test edits. Thank you. Liftarn 08:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You know very well that I didn't remove "content". I removed your non-constructive post on a talk page of an RFC that ended months ago and in which you were not involved. If you feel you have a case you can always issue your own RFC. Better yet, let it go, move on. Also, please read WP:TEMPLAR. ---Sluzzelin talk 08:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Good point. I should probably create a new one. // Liftarn

you should indeed create a new one. Or maybe take your hot evidence to WP:RCU first? choices, choices... (thanks Sluzzelin :) dab (𒁳) 10:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

RD Index

Hi Sluzzelin. This is something that has crossed my mind on occasion (usually coincident with when I am trying to find something that I know I had read on the Ref Desks about 6 months previously). However, I think the amount of ongoing effort that would be required to do such a thing in a useful fashion would be huge - and I'm not sure what the pay-off would be. Firstly, most OPs don't even bother searching the encyclopaedia for the most simple of titled articles, therefore a searchable Ref Desk index will not be useful to them. Secondly, a decent proportion of the information at the Ref Desk is crap; sometimes just not very useful and occasionally misleading. The amount of effort it would take to index that would be much better spent putting the good, useful, verifiable stuff into appropriate articles, where it can be found more easily and benefit the project as a whole. Indeed if we could get a volunteer programme up and running where the verifiable info be collated each day and distributed to the appropriate article, then we would essentially have it indexed by subject (since the Ref Desk wikiproject templates link back to the original question). Of course, convincing editors to do this as a different ballgame, but I think that would be the best way to ensure the questions/answers at the Ref Desk are used better when they slip off into the archive. Rockpocket 07:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that one retired early. :-) ---Sluzzelin talk 07:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the hello

Honestly, I'll be back as soon as I again have the time and inclination to edit again. I have no idea how long it'll be, although I am a bit surprised it hasn't happened already. -- SCZenz 10:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Show your documentation on Eugene Bullard...

I have researched the Lafayette Escadrille. He was never in the Lafayette Escadrille.

He was in the Lafayette Flying Corps (the group that contained *many* squadrons including N124 and later Spa124) but was never in N124 nor Spa124.

My documentation is from the Charles Nordhoff (Lafayette Flying Corps) and James Norman Hall (LFC AND Lafayette Escadrille) Corps history which I have already posted. I sincerely hope that your documentation comes from a better source than the Flyboys movie.

I've corrected this page numerous times and shown the documentation for doing so. Maybe you could return the courtesy...

HelIo, Escadrille Americaine. At the time, I saw user:24.129.197.122 remove the category without adding an edit summary or any explanation (or presentation of sources) on the talk page. Was that you then? I guess I didn't see any evidence at the time, but I'm sure you're right, I'm no expert of WWI French flying squad terminology, and obviously I didn't understand your unexplained removal. I won't revert again. I apologize for my faulty revert, and thank you for pointing out my error. Please continue to keep an eye on this article, have a nice summer, and happy editing! ---Sluzzelin talk 03:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Arsuf

Are you interested in crusading matters? If so, you might want to have a glance at the above. Clio the Muse 05:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Well thank you for pointing that one out, much appreciated! Admittedly, I normally don't spend much time reading battle accounts (even sometimes having skipped those parts in fiction), but enjoyed this one in all its vividness - tarantulas, insubordination and all! Great work, Clio. I wish I could contribute a map or something, but my specialty remains the "slow and rudimentary art of reading". ---Sluzzelin talk 01:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Multiple Watchlists

I discovered another way to implement this. Create a page that contains links to the pages you want to watch (i.e. User:Sluzzelin/Geography watchlist). Once you have created it, just click on the "Related changes" sidebar link to see all the changes on the linked pages.--Max Talk (+) 00:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Max! I guess that would be the leaner version of Luna Santin's Sockwatch pages. I'm considering it, yet one question remains. Is there a way to reduce all applicable changes listed under "Related changes" to only the most recent one per linked article? (Similar to my watchlist preferences which have a checkable box "Expand watchlist to show all applicable changes")? ---Sluzzelin talk 07:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

3RR

Hi Sluzzelin. No problems there. The content is clearly an example of persistant WP:LINKSPAM, and so your removal - even multiple times - could be argued as a vandalism revert, especially when from an IP that doesn't acknowledge your requests or justify the addition. I can't believe any admin would pull you up on 3RR for that. Besides, 3RR is violated on the fourth revert, so since you only made three there isn't even a chance you could be pulled up on a technicality. If you notice this happening again, drop me a line and I'll take care of it. Rockpocket 17:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to review and explain! ---Sluzzelin talk 18:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Photo

Hey Sluzzy, thanks for the great photo. It's nice to know I'm missed when I'm not around. Much appreciated. -- JackofOz 04:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I love sticking pictures in other people's albums. It must be annoying, all this projecting, and I don't know how to translate this, but to me you're definitely "die gute Seele" of the reference desk. Always have been, always will. Best wishes. ---Sluzzelin talk 05:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Such kindness will surely be rewarded. (I can't personally guarantee it will be in this life, though.) No, it's far from annoying, it's actually very welcome. Got any more of that Stolly left? Pass it over here. На здоровье!  :) -- JackofOz 05:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Youth

I noticed your chat with Clio. Thomas Hardy said - "I was a child until I was sixteen, a youth until I was twenty-five, a young man until I was forty or fifty." Xn4 19:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for trying to cheer me up, Xn4! I appreciate optimism, but enjoy complaining even more, and maybe yet another man's words fit my case: Nevertheless, every man desires to reach old age; in other words, a state of life of which it may be said: "It is bad to-day, and it will be worse tomorrow; and so on till the worst of all." ---Sluzzelin talk 20:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Grau, teurer Freund, ist alle Theorie, und grün des Lebens goldner Baum! Xn4 02:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

"Die Leute sagen immer: Die Zeiten werden schlimmer. Die Zeiten bleiben immer. Die Leute werden schlimmer." ---Sluzzelin talk 13:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Das Ewig-Weibliche zieht uns hinan. Xn4 05:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Please accept my apology

Hi Sluzzelin. I owe you an apology. I have a sort of edit war with a user who believes that is an innocent, non-EU flag. He states that as long as the flag is suffixed by Europe and not Europe, only brain dead people (that would be me) would think of the European Union. So I’ve done an experiment placing the Europe in the Switzerland article. You reaction shows that I’m not alone in thinking = EU. Sorry for your inconvenience, I won’t disturb you again.--195.249.162.119 11:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

No sweat, I don't mind being your guinea pig :-). The other user is correct in that doesn't only represent the EU, it also stands for the less famous Council of Europe, where Switzerland is indeed a member. But given how the flag has come to symbolize the EU, I think this usage is very misleading, especially when only accompanied by the word "Europe" (not "Council of Europe"). Europe suggests a geographical, not a political entity here. Does Asia have its own flag too? (I honestly don't know). ---Sluzzelin talk 12:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

File:CEO flag.svg

CoE logo/flag, with 'C' added

The European flag was originally the Council of Europe's, but CoE authorized its use by several spin-off European bodies, including the EEC, now the EC/EU. To avoid confusion, CoE now uses its logo based on the flag, with a cursive 'C' added for Council/Conseil, on most occasions when a symbol is needed - even informally as a flag, for press-conferences and so forth. Xn4 15:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that clarification, Xn4. It gives even less reason for including the flaglet in the caption of a map showing Switzerland's (or Norway's, or Albania's) location in Europe. I wouldn't post the flag under maps showing the geographical position of EU countries in the context of the continent Europe either. ---Sluzzelin talk 13:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Templating

Hello Sluzzelin. Thanks for sharing your musings about templates with me. I have taken a short while to reply not because I had forgotton, but because I have been thinking a bit about it and looking for discussion on solving the issue. The best I can find is this short discussion which led me to {{Articleissues}}, an attempt at condensing all the templates into one. This is a good idea, I think, though it looks a bit textually cumbersome. I think there is certainly a wider discussion to be had on this issue, though I'm not entirely sure what the best place would be to have it.

(As an aside, I also found {{Globalize/Luxembourg}}, which has got to be the least practical template in the whole project. It hasn't actually be used in its 8 month existence!) Rockpocket 06:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

That is a wonderful template! I will vote keep on any TFD! Thank you for the links, which led me to "This is a terrible idea" , a more angry paraphrase of some of my concerns. Then the one person addressing my issues turns out to be a sockpuppet. :-| Well, there's no policy against agreeing with sockpuppets. I guess WP:CLEANUP is next on my reading list. We're moving in a labyrinth!---Sluzzelin talk 11:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

The Lady of the Lightbulbs approves of Edison's RFA.

		My RFA
		I thank you for participating in my successful request for adminship, which ended with 60 supports, no opposes, no neutrals, and one abstain. Edison 14:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm delighted, Edison, congratulations! ---Sluzzelin talk 19:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC) (Hmm, I'm locked in this box ...)

Sorry for the boxing in. It was missing an end code which gave it amazing amoeba-like properties. Edison 22:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Lol, no problem, I had included the Lady of the Lightbulbs at first too, but the box grew massive. I saw you had to manually fix this sixty times now, hardly the baptism of fire you were looking for. ;-) ---Sluzzelin talk 00:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC) Oh, and thank you too, Vector Potential, for adding the closing characters. ---Sluzzelin talk 00:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Where is my lioness?

What happened to her?! Clio the Muse 00:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I just posted a picture of her in a tree on this talk page, and she got red-'x'-ed as well. I removed her now, I don't know what's going on. I went through the images histories here and at commons, but found nothing. Several images on the Lion page are blanked now. I do hope she returns. ---Sluzzelin talk 11:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, she's not alone. See this post. She will be back. ---Sluzzelin talk 13:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

She did come back! Well roared, Sluzzelin. Purrs and miaows from the biggest of the big cats. Clio the Muse 02:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

WP Zimbabwe

You have been invited to join the WikiProject Zimbabwe, a collaborative effort focused on improving Wikipedia's coverage of Zimbabwe. If you'd like to join, just add your name to the member list. Thanks for reading!

Part 19:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation! I'll check it out when I'm back (not from Zimbabwe). ---Sluzzelin talk 23:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

How very thoughtful of you!

...to notice my present distressed circumstances and send a cheery flower-bedecked message. I'm doing reasonably well towards recovery (despite the likelihood of some lifelong limitations and "discomfort"), and counting my blessings that my injuries weren't more severe. Your greeting is gladly received, with thanks and appreciation, and I look forward to our future encounters and possible collaborations here. Cheers! -- Deborahjay 11:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I miss you

Clio the Muse 23:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)