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Not going to revert you on R Evolution

... but you can read WP:NOTBROKEN. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 23:44, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

• That is, editors should not change, for instance, [[Franklin Roosevelt]] to [[Franklin D. Roosevelt]] or [[Franklin D. Roosevelt|Franklin Roosevelt]] just to "fix a redirect".

should translate to

• That is, editors should not change, for instance, [[NXT TakeOver: R Evolution]] to [[List of WWE NXT special episodes#NXT TakeOver: R Evolution|NXT TakeOver: R Evolution]] just to "fix a redirect".
• Arrival was the first live professional wrestling event streamed online via the WWE Network, even before WrestleMania XXX. The rest don't have that distinction, and thus don't pass notability. They are, after all, not PPVs - and not even TV actually. The outreach of R Evolution is less than a million people. The outreach of a regular episode of NXT is way more, through international television deals. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 08:21, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

• You are correct. I think I was afraid that you would be changing links in the article space as well. My bad. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 08:55, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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A page you started (Jack (TV series)) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Jack (TV series), Ranze!

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Category:Raped characters

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April 2015

This is your only warning; if you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 09:43, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:LeslieJonesComedian.jpg

Thanks for uploading File:LeslieJonesComedian.jpg. I noticed that this file is being used under a claim of fair use. However, I think that the way it is being used fails the first non-free content criterion. This criterion states that files used under claims of fair use may have no free equivalent; in other words, if the file could be adequately covered by a freely-licensed file or by text alone, then it may not be used on Wikipedia. If you believe this file is not replaceable, please:

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Leslie Jones (actor)

Still having trouble understanding this free thing. http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/about shows free images of all the current SNL cast members so would http://www.nbc.com/sites/nbcunbc/files/files/styles/nbc_person_teaser/public/images/2014/10/31/leslie_jones_1050x1050.jpg qualify as a free image since it is displayed there and this isn't a pay-site? Ranze (talk) 11:53, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately copyright rules are rather confusing. The image you point out is copyrighted. In fact any image created by anyone is copyrighted. Images are only freely licensed if

• The image is sufficiently old (pre 1923 in the United states mostly but the rules are very complicated)
• If it was created by the US government, or other entity that similar rules apply to.
• The original creator agrees to release it under a free licence.

In this case the image was created by NBC (from an original like [1]and they retain the copyright, and unless they explicitly state that they are releasing the image under a free license we can't use it. What we need is someone to take a photo of her and release it under a license that works here (see the freely licensed tag). - Peripitus (Talk) 12:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Zoe Quinn

We've had many problems with people, purposely or not, using Wikipedia as a forum to spread unflattering, inaccurate, or libelous information about living individuals, a matter we take very seriously. I'm sure it is not your intent to do this, however, but editors choosing to edit sensitive and controversial articles like this one must take care when dealing with such matters, especially on an article that has been a trouble spot for this very thing for many months. You have edited articles related to Gamergate as early as September, when you were alerted about the sanctions on this article, so you have had time to familiarize yourself with these issues. Accordingly, I am imposing for a period of 12 months the standard Gamergate topic ban, which prohibits you from editing "All edits about, and all pages related to, (a) GamerGate, (b) any gender-related dispute or controversy, (c) people associated with (a) or (b), all broadly construed." This ban will be lifted when you can demonstrate an ability to deal with sensitive issues regarding living individuals in other areas of the encyclopedia. Gamaliel (talk) 16:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• Take it from a third party, don't dig yourself into a larger hole, man. Just don't edit GamerGate stuff or things related to gender controversies. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 05:15, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

• You have a point about the Divas Division. But if I were an admin, seeing you writing on the Divas Division, I would be much harsher if I saw you had just created a redirect to Milo Y. It's related, in a sense. Plus, if you hate the main roster Divas, you're better off watching the NXT women's division or Lucha Underground, where they don't split divisions by sex and intergender is the norm. starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 11:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Cultural communism

The article Cultural communism has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This isn't disambiguating between things that are on Wikipedia. It's one link that includes "cultural" in it in front of a form of communism (Marxism), which leads to a redirect, and three items that consist of links to other forms of communism with the word "cultural" inserted in front of them without explanation.

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Arbitration Enforcement Request

Hi. I've requested that a discretionary sanction against you be enforced here. PeterTheFourth (talk) 06:36, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Tabloids and titillation

Hi Ranze, to reply to your comments on my talkpage.

Firstly, If you wonder where the bar is as regards something being a tabloid, well the reliable sources noticeboard is a good place to get a second opinion as to whether a particular new source can be treated as reliable or as a tabloid re a particular topic. I gather that some tabloids can be trusted in their sports coverage. But we don't need to set some sort of boundary between tabloids and blogs if we aren't going to use either, and as I said before if the tabloids aren't covering something then we probably should not either.

Secondly, what is common knowledge to you may not be common knowledge to others, and whilst I'd call myself a gamer, I never really made the transition to computer games. Nor do I follow twitter. So though I can guess what you are talking about from the examples you gave, it wasn't something that I knew about.

More broadly I can see from earlier posts that others have already topic banned you from the article in question. May I suggest you reflect on that during your ban. Regards ϢereSpielChequers 12:28, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

@WereSpielChequers: Reflecting sounds meaningless, I think about everything I read, and to learn things I need to be directed where to read. The topic-ban is unjustly wide in scope and lasts too long IMO when it's based on discussing sourced things on a talk page, where we're supposed to, rather than the article. Ranze (talk) 01:11, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I haven't commented in the discussions on the topic ban, but it seems to me to be quite tightly focussed, but then most of my edits would fall well outside it. May I suggest that you shift your attention to some subject far removed from the area of the topic ban? There are still numerous iron age hillforts, medieval antiquities and even sofets of Carthage that don't even have a stub article here. ϢereSpielChequers 04:05, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

@WereSpielChequers: quite tightly focussed would apply if it was just to the biography article which all the disputes are centered on. Instead it broadly applies to anything technological that could be associated with a video game or any song, TV show, person, site, event where gender might plausibly be mentioned in some form. If it's not so broad then no guidelines exist to know where I can step. I am not an expert on forts/sofets/antiquities, even if I could find info on them I don't think I could find sources to prevent articles on them getting deleted by the new article cullers these days. Less likelihood of work getting deleted if you contribute to existing ones. Ranze (talk) 03:05, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ranze, I agree with you on the problems of creating new articles, we have some very odd tags applied at new page patrol. However there are plenty of exiting articles that can be worked on amongst our more than four million articles. As to how wide the GG restrictions go, the article on Ms Quinn is one of the core articles in the GamerGate saga. ϢereSpielChequers 09:47, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Blocked per the AE complaint

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Per the AE complaint about violation of your topic ban from Gamergate. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 14:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

The following sanction now applies to you:

I am imposing for an indefinite period the standard Gamergate topic ban, which prohibits you from editing "All edits about, and all pages related to, (a) GamerGate, (b) any gender-related dispute or controversy, (c) people associated with (a) or (b), all broadly construed." This ban will be lifted when you can demonstrate an ability to deal with sensitive issues regarding living individuals in other areas of the encyclopedia.

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This is not a new sanction. I have been informed that you expressed confusion about the appropriate procedures regarding your topic ban, so I've placed this template here merely to provide links to those explanations. Gamaliel (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Reddit communities

Hello, Ranze. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Reddit communities, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

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Proposed deletion of Afterlife Empire

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Deletion discussion for Afterlife Empire

Hi there! Given the contesting of the PROD, I've started a discussion for the deletion of the article for Afterlife Empire here. PeterTheFourth (talk) 00:49, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Current

Regal stills a current member of the WWE, as part of NXT roster (If you want to include him, fine. I never read about a retiement). The X matches I doesn't like it. For example, when NAO won the Tag team titles, they became part of the WWE roster. Once they were send to train, they disapeared. Their main role isn't wrestling, it's to train. Taker stills a wrestler, even if he wrestles one matchh per year. Jericho'll wrestle in Japán. About the WCW, not. WWE includes Edge and Angle, they won the WCW title in the WWE. However, WWE only mentions Guerrero WWE reign, not the WCW reign. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:17, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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Re: Daily Mail audio

Yes, I do have the article on hand still. It's right here. In the link, you will see a recording of what Hulk Hogan says to his son while in jail [2]. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Best =) AmericanDad86 (talk) 04:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Yea, not as many people are aware of this one as the other you're talking about relating to daughter Brooke. That one you're talking about is the real doozy. This one I sent you with Nick is nothing compared to what Hulk is heard spouting off in that one you speak of. Have you heard it yet? If you haven't yet and you have yet to listen to it, hold on to your hat. AmericanDad86 (talk) 04:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I heard the audio on one of the websites early last week but I forgot which one it was. Might be hard to find it now what with the barrage of articles that have come out on this. That said, I really don't want to listen to it again. It was very offensive to me. AmericanDad86 (talk) 04:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism

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@HHH Pedrigree: your calling this "vandalism" is inappropriate. Adding pertinent information to a page is not vandalism. My edits were actually REVERTING the vandalism of removing data for unsourced reasons. You know full well that this template was wrong and misleading to use as this was not 'experimentation' or malicious editing. Ranze (talk) 17:32, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

You tried to change the criteria, the project didn't agree. Your editions were remove by 3 users. Stop.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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In addition, many of the redirects you are creating are at best useless and at worst completely misleading. Bray's Prodigal Son is not a search term anyone is ever going to use and for example The Big Dog should redirect to Big Dog instead of Roman Reigns. Also, redirecting Women's Tag Team Championship to WWF Women's Tag Team Championship? Seriously? リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (LOLTNA) 19:05, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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RE: Nicknames

There isn't a set number, but definitely more than once. If we listed every time a person was called something once as a nickname, people like Ric Flair and The Undertaker would have hundreds. That's WP:LISTCRUFT. If a reliable third party source mentions the nickname then it should definitely be included. Nikki♥311 04:49, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Actually WWE.com is a primary source. I think you misunderstood my meaning, though. If a third party source mentions a nickname, that's one way to differentiate a true "nickname" from some random name they were called a couple of times. If a wrestler is called something every time they have a match (ie "The Deadman" or "The Phenom" in the case of the Undertaker), then it is a nickname that should be included. "The Last Outlaw" isn't even mentioned in the source provided, so I am going to remove that from the list. Nikki♥311 10:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

I didn't mean that there had to be a third party source for the nickname to be included. If the primary source proves that the name is a nickname then that's adequate. A youtube clip that shows one wrestler calling another wrestler a name one time does not prove anything other than they were called that name one time. Nikki♥311 10:35, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it is something to bring up with WP:PW so we can set a standard for all the articles. Nikki♥311 03:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

GTH

You have added three links, but none contains the GTH abbreviation. Please add such information to the 3 articles.Xx236 (talk) 06:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Xx236: added refs to the Alice Cooper 'goes to hell' and Pretty Reckless "going to hell". Simply "go to hell" is a dismabiguation page, can we just accept to it's commonly used to represent that phrase or do I need to track down its specific use for the 13 different things there? Ranze (talk) 01:27, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not any authority here, I'm trying to understand the logic of disambiguation and redirect.Xx236 (talk) 05:57, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Abbreviations used by fans do not merit a mention, especially as they often refer back to fansites of fan-based reviews. There is no need for a redirect either. If you have approriate sources, discuss them first on the Talk page first please. Adding an Amazon review penned by a fan or an Alice Cooper fansite are not WP:RS. Karst (talk) 09:50, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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WP:OR

Hi there, these edits are inappropriate because they clearly introduce speculative "possibly born Sofia Balthazar" content. Though you were kind enough to dig into a reference for the speculation, it is entirely interpretive to suppose that a fictional character would have adopted her fictional father's name. Additionally, colloquial expressions like "Birk Balthazar's baby mama" are entirely inappropriate for inclusion at Wikipedia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:06, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Castle

Well, It truly looks like a real name. However, I'd leave the article as Castle. He's most notorius as Castle due to his ROH appearences. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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November 2015

How cute - you know how to copy a warning. Dude, cut the crap...you're fighting a battle you can't win. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@Vjmlhds: seeing as how you feel it is acceptable for a user to delete warnings from their own talk page, I'll do the same here. Your warning is unwarranted. Our having a difference of opinion does not make my editing disruptive. I have provided sources for my changes, you have not, and thus appear to be engaging in original research. If you want to trump my claims I think you ought to find some sources making reliable claims. You appear to be taking on the responsibility of interpreting data, that is OR. Ranze (talk) 05:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I added a reference to the page in question that CLEARLY shows that the World Heavyweight Championship is retired. So please, knock off the nonsense. Vjmlhds (talk) 05:12, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at List of WWE World Heavyweight Champions shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. LM2000 (talk) 07:13, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Just because other people join in while the edit warring is happening doesn't mean you're not edit warring. Oknazevad's argument is that your theory constitutes WP:SYN. We currently have separate title histories provided by WWE.com and our lists reflect that source. You have gathered various other sources and have clumped them together to forum a new theory. That's SYN. You're now editing individual BLPs to reflect your theory, which will affect many articles across the wikiproject. You really need consensus, probably at WT:PW, before you continuing warring across the encyclopedia.LM2000 (talk) 07:29, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@LM2000: the argument by Oknazevad is incorrect, they are the one in fact doing WP:SYN. The 2 charts have no bearing on who is considered a WWE World Heavyweight Champion. This is not a theory at all, it is a statement of fact directly from the WWE. The theory that former WHW championship reigns do not contribute to WWEWHW totals is the unsourced theory. Where is the support for it? Ranze (talk) 07:35, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Do not edit war, even if you think you are right, now is the time to discuss per WP:BRD. You're being incredibly disruptive and you will be reported to WP:AN/EW if you make another revert. LM2000 (talk) 07:38, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@LM2000: engaging in discussion is what I am doing. Is that what you are doing? You seem to be engaging in an edit war and avoiding discussing the contents while accusing me of doing that. If you purport to be neutral in this then why are you taking sides and reverting my edits? They are sourced. You brought up the three-revert rule, a revert being "undoing another editor's work". I seem to be the only one doing any work here, introducing references to the articles to support content changes. When I restore the content that gets removed, I am not undoing your or others work, because they are not actually doing work, simply reverting mine. Ranze (talk) 07:45, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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You are suspected of sock puppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please familiarize yourself with the notes for the suspect, then respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ranze. Thank you. LM2000 (talk) 17:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@Mike V: my editing while logged out was not an attempt to sock-puppet. I use my account when I am able to edit from my personal desktop computer. It does not function very well though so sometimes I also edit from someone else's tablet. I don't want to clutter up their history or put their comp at risk so I edit in 'safe mode'. This prevents things like cookies and I think you need those to stay logged in. Plus its keyboard is a pain to use so logging in would be tedious to try even if I weren't using safe mode. I guess I should have made it clear "this is R" or whatev when making comments logged-out on topics I also edit while logged-in though, if it relates to a dispute, to avoid giving the impression that I'm a different person. I'll try to remember that in the future. It's been pretty casual up until now so I hadn't considered the necessity. Ranze (talk) 01:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

@Oknazevad: your description of my behavior is one I find inaccurate. the edit warring and blatant ignoring of the obvious and provided official sources so he can POV push his SYNTH is actually how you seem to me. I suggest we try and understand why each other might see each other that way. You say "official sources" but the only source you have provided so far as I recall is http://www.wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship which I did not ignore. I read it and cited "melding the two most vital championship lineages" to support the idea that WHW reigns are counted. So I believe you are misleading readers by saying I ignore things. On the other hand, all the sources I mentioned at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#WWE_World_Heavyweight_Championship_reign_totals, I can't honestly accuse you of ignoring them since you continually delete them from the page, but I hope you at least took the time to read them and assure they were accurate. Ranze (talk) 01:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

@LM2000: you seem more interested in propping up a pseudo-conspiracy than in paying attention to my edits being supported by proper sourcing. The way you almost gleefully bring up this page at the WikiProject, rather than actually address any of the concerns I've brought up about these references, speaks volumes. Ranze (talk) 01:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

To all 3 and anyone else reading, regarding the issue that set this off guys, since I can't discuss this at the WikiProject or any of the talk pages until this ban expires (keep your ears open tonight for "4 time WWE World Heavyweight Champion" to be heard again though, I expect) I would like to propose a possible middle ground here. You seem insistent that (in spite of this being unsourced, you have yet to provide a reference supporting the conclusion) Sheamus is merely a 3-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. If that is the case, it is still notable to point out that Michael Cole, Sheamus, and WWE.com are all calling him a 4-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. Even if you contend this is not true, it is still a notable fact to point out, so shouldn't we do so with the references I have brought to light?

I think you guys are treating yourselves as reliable experts on chart-reading. You seem to think that you are qualified to interpret the meaning and application of wwe.com/classics/titlehistory/wwe-world-heavyweight-championship and that your researching this chart gives your conclusions more merits than that of Michael Cole, Sheamus, or WWE.com staff, even though all 3 are directly affiliated with the WWE and should probably be considered more expert in this area than we are. Ranze (talk) 01:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

@Crash Underride: my warning was not unnecessary as you claim, please restore it. This edit by Bayley was indeed vandalism, they actually changed what it was that Sheamus said. This made me do a double-take and check to see if Bayley was right before warning and reverting them, but it was still #4times. https://twitter.com/WWESheamus/status/668646972891504640 is in fact a stickied tweet at the top of Sheamus' account. Ranze (talk) 01:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Firstly, do not EVER tell me what to do. You can ask me to do something, but never tell me. Secondly, their edit could've been an accident. Thirdly, one error doesn't denote a warning it denotes a message saying "Hey, you're edit was in error. They actually said blank." So, lose the attitude, that you obviously have and get your crap in order before asking people to do something. Crash Underride 05:22, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Did you just tell him what to do?! Do not EVER tell another editor what to do. LOL Chelsea V V (talk) 18:49, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Commanding someone to stop commanding seems a tad hypocritical Chelsea =/ Although the pointing out of the hypocrisy between calling "please X" a command while declaring "do not ever Y" is certainly appreciated. Although perhaps your second sentence, rather than being a serious command, was an attempt to help a reader realize this? Ranze (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@Crash Underride: the prefixing of the verb "restore" with the word please" was intended to convey this as a request. I was asking if you could undo an edit which was problematic, partly because I am presently unable to do so. As @PeterTheFourth: correctly pointed out in Special:Diff/692176099 when restoring your message (Chelsea should not have removed that, even if we think something is trolling I think only admins are supposed to remove stuff like that from user talks not their own) "Please do not remove comments on talk pages that are not your own". Special:Diff/692131512 is what led to my request in the firstp lace, you removed a comment (mine) on a talk page that is not your own. Unless of course Crash Underride is declaring that they are @Bayley Fabricius: or something, that probably isn't your page, so it should have been up to Bayley to take that off if they chose to. Not to mention in Special:Diff/692302215 you apparently don't even think users ought to take warnings off their pages except to archive them... Ranze (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

As I stated, Bayley's edit wasn't that bad. They may have been misinformed and thought something else was said. It was a mistake, plain and simple. Mistakes don't constitute vandalism and require a warning. Therefore, no, I will not restore it. Crash Underride 20:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Will you remove it again if I restore it when the ban was over? The edit was bad. I can't reasonably believe they were misinformed. There was a direct link to the tweet which is still up and it clearly says #4times not #3times. It can't reasonably be viewed as a mistake, they changed what Sheamus tweeted to support changing it to 3 times. Sheamus didn't declare himself a 3-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion, he declared himself a 4-time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. Just like Michael Cole, or the WWE Staff who write WWE.com news articles. Ranze (talk) 20:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Seriously? They saw the count of world titles held in WWE and assumed the tweet was in error and....ya know what? Do whatever the hell you want. I'm sick and tired of dealing with people like you who think they're always right. I'm done regarding a simple ERROR. Crash Underride 20:53, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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