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Yo, undelete the photo for Venable Hall "Venable2.jpg"

It is a picture I took myself, so I definitely have free reign to distribute it. I will put the correct licensing thing in the image.

Please put it back on because I have deleted the original.

Thanks MorrisS (talk) 15:17, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't have the power to actually delete or undelete photographs. You'll have to take it up with the closing admin or (possibly) at WP:DRV. If I remember correctly, the photograph also appeared on the university website, and there was no indication that anyone other than the university held the rights to the photo. And you also had a photograph from The Plains Dealer that you claimed as your own, which didn't reflect well on your claim of ownership on other photographs. --Mosmof (talk) 15:54, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I did some side work for both the school and Plain Dealer while I attended College. I took the pictures and they used them for promotional stuff on their website. I listed the correct licensing originally (my own work), so what else should I have posted in there besides that? MorrisS (talk) 22:48, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

That's something you should mention when you post your WP:DRV entry. Of course, depending on how you worked out your rights with the Plain Dealer and HSC, you'll probably have to show some sort of evidence that you, and not the publishers of the images, own the rights. Also, it might help to upload the original, high-res photo straight from the camera, not the scaled down versions that appear on the websites. --Mosmof (talk) 02:21, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Iverson

Dude, just undo my edit and that's cool. I don't even care that much. I just saw a report on NBA.com, but yes you're right he isn't even joining that team anymore, so it's all good man. DaHuzyBru (talk) 07:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Robinson

I put this in my edit summary when I redid my revision but I will post it here too.

Athlete pages point to the university page throughout wikipedia. Examples, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, John Stockton, Shaquille O'Neal, among many many others which means consensus on Wikipedia seems to be it should be the school page. I would hate to sound cliche, but he is a student/athlete, student comes first. Do not change it back without requesting a new consensus.--Rockchalk717 (talk) 02:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

A couple of things: I think you're being a bit silly with the "student-athlete" label, which is the NCAA's branding tool and not how the public sees these athletes - you and I know that as students, they are nobodies. The only reason they meet Wikipedia's notability criteria is because they are basketball players. Also, listing articles don't tell us much since I can just as easily list examples of athletes whose colleges are mentioned by team, not school, articles: Vince Carter, Bill Russell, Jeremy Lin, Kevin Love, James Worthy, Bill Walton. There is no consensus on this issue. And I have trouble believing that you think where they took classes is more notable than whom they played for.

But I think there's a simple compromise - mention both in the intro. Does that work? --Mosmof (talk) 04:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

That's just basketball. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson just to name a few for football. It doesn't matter if their notability is as athlete or not, they are enrolled at University of __________, ____________ University, _______ College and the pages say "played college ________ at __________ (school)" and the page link should read such. Mentioning both is unnecessary because the infobox contains it--Rockchalk717 (talk) 04:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

And I could also list arbitrarily chosen articles: Tim Tebow, John Elway and Michael Vick. Again, let's not confuse inconsistency with consensus. And why shouldn't notability matter? Notability is the very currency that governs Wikipedia. And enrollment is a trivial detail compared to what they actually do to become notable. --Mosmof (talk) 04:41, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

It makes absolutely no sense to refer readers to a team page for a statement that requires the name of the school then turn around and show the name of the school as the display for the page. I have reverted to version prior to either one of us touching it. I will submit consensus request.--Rockchalk717 (talk) 04:59, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Sure it does - the team is the most notable way in which the athlete is affiliated with the university. People interested in KU through Robinson most likely couldn't give a crap about the endowment or the student body size or the concentrations offered, but would care about the university basketball team. But sure, seeking a third opinion is probably the best. --Mosmof (talk) 05:10, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the understanding and willingness to compromise. I submitted it here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball#Player pages--Rockchalk717 (talk) 05:13, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. I've responded, though haven't added much. --Mosmof (talk) 05:16, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Lamar Odom

Hey. Sorry about that, I jumped the gun a little and thought he'd been released. Thanks for pointing it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Special Six (talk • contribs) 23:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the new word.

Learned a new word because of you: listicle. Never heard it before today at Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2012 April 10#File:FIFA World Cup Trophy.jpg Thanks for teaching it to me. :D -- ТимофейЛееСуда. 18:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

re: Craig Bellamy

Regarding your message - first, please don't tell give users vandalism warnings when they aren't actually engaged in vandalism. I have no earthly idea why you thought my edit was vandalism.

Second, please refer to WP:MOSLINK - articles shouldn't be linked to more than necessary - once in the lede, once in the infobox and once in the body are enough. --Mosmof (talk) 20:01, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

This does not apply to Biography Infoboxes. --82.43.51.8 (talk) 21:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.51.8 (talk) 20:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes - but it's already linked inside the infobox. Why would you repeat the same link in the same section of an infobox? --Mosmof (talk) 20:11, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Robbie Keane Ian Rush Thierry Henry Robbie Fowler ect. - consistancy is vital --82.43.51.8 (talk) 21:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

So I should edit those articles too? :D --Mosmof (talk) 21:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Image deleting

I am really not that into all this "new" image upload stuff, anyways, I had permission for these images (haven't asked one for Ben Wallace though) but if you have certain pleasure in removing every single image I ever uploaded feel free to do so. Nobody else ever had a problem. As for Mirko Malez picture, I made it myself, he's my relative, but never mind, my motives are merely to improve the articles... Much respect.— Preceding unsigned comment added by N1cky (talk • contribs) 18:50, 25 April 2012‎

Yes, I get that you're trying to improve the articles, but so am I - let's assume good faith and all that. But I don't take "pleasure in removing every single image I ever uploaded feel", so no, I won't be doing that (and haven't done that). If you have permission for using those Croatian footballer images, please ask the Croatian FA to send in a note to WP:OTRS stating they're forfeiting all copyrights on those images - they don't work as non-free images because they don't meet WP:NFCC#1 or WP:NFCC#8. And what do you mean "I made it myself"? Do you mean you took the photograph yourself? Again, if you have permission, don't upload it as a non-free image. --Mosmof (talk) 19:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Raúl (footballer)‎‎

Yes, I really wondered how it is possible to bring the wiki software to accept these edits. In most cases there would have been only edit conflicts. --Jaellee (talk) 21:33, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

My Changes/Maria Kirilenko

I saw your note that said not to use words such as "currently" and to avoid using Youtube links. I corrected these things and yet my changes were still deleted with a message that the information added was trivia. I am now very confused because I thought that Wikipedia information was "trivia" and that is why people use it. I know that is why I use it and I know that when there is a change in a person's status, people are quick to want to correct it on here. So please, help me to understand why people would not want to know the information I added. It is very confusing to understand because what I added was fact (as I had two sources for it). Thanks. --Kittileen (talk) 04:01, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Her relationship status isn't that important to understanding her importance. We've already established that she and Ovechkin entered into a relationship - if it changes, we can update it, but that hasn't happened. Mosmof (talk) 14:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Marvin Williams?

You made an edit to revert my edits on Marvin Williams. The information is correct. Please undo your changes because they are correct. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shalomlouiz (talk • contribs) 16:52, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

What was correct about them? Mosmof (talk) 16:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Sergio Agüero

I do like a good edit summary and your recent one on this article was excellent. This project can be very po-faced at times so well done. danno_uk 22:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Ruud van Nistelrooy

Hi there

Can you tell me why you keep reverting my IPA edits of the article? 87.210.232.221 (talk) 21:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Misuse of revert tool (Twinkle)?

This edit appears to be a good faith edit, yet I see that you reverted the edit without any explaination shortly after? I'm not trying to hastle you or anything, but what gives? Could you not have asked for a citation? Regards, Outback the koala (talk) 03:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

It's a pretty clear case of both WP:WEASEL and WP:PEACOCK. I don't think any sourcing or fleshing out would've made the edit any better. The user's made similar edits with mostly meaningless plaudits, and after reverting a couple of those, I guess I got tired of leaving an edit summary. I know, poor form, so that's my mea culpa. FWIW, I get the impression that the editor isn't particularly serious about improving Wikipedia: [1]. --Mosmof (talk) 03:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Woah! I see now where you're coming from - fair enough indeed! Take care and happy editing! :) Outback the koala (talk) 03:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

No worries, happy editing to you as well! --Mosmof (talk) 03:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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Regarding my own edits

I just started and someone keeps deleting my edits. Weird. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papi360 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Have you looked at the edit summaries to see why your content was edited? --Mosmof (talk) 01:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

What are you doing??? I put a considerable amount of work to contribute to the Carmelo Anthony article to provide further informationa dnthen you just delete it. Before you delete something, you should do your own research to determine if it is incorrect and then make corrections or deletions where you deem fit. But to just completely delete my work and then claim it is based without research. It is through knowledge from reading and following the sport. Come on.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papi360 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

But that's not how Wikipedia works. A couple of things - there's a reason why, before you submit an edit, you see this notice: If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here. Because there's no ownership of articles, you should expect your contribution to be dismissed or heavily edited by other editors. That's part of the collaborative process. Second, Wikipedia does not allow original research or synthesis of published materials. That means that anything you include needs to come from a reliable, third party source. And specifically in the case of coincidences like teammates in prep All-Star games or arenas they played in, it amounts to synthesis. If a reliable source has noted that coincidence, then that's great. But if it's your own finding, then don't include it. --Mosmof (talk) 04:50, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok I understand your response but its not entirely accurate. First, you mention that I can expect my contributions to be dismissed but I would think it would be done for the better interest of readers in mind. My contribution provided further and recent information about Carmelo experience with New York Knicks. Right now, the article is lacking information on this past 2011-2012 NBA season. Therefore, it is not up to date and I took care of that. Next, you indicated that Wikipedia does not allow original research. THat is not true because there is originaly research all over the place on this site and its not deleted. I also did cite references in my contribution. Lastly, I included references about teammates in prep All Star games because it was very unique. Carmelo, Raymond Felton and Amar'e Stoudemire all played in same 2002 McDonalds ALl Star game on the same team. That is one thing. Easily, one of them could hav eplayed in a different year or not all play in that game. Then as another part of it, the McDonald's ALl star game is hosted in a different city pretty much every year but that year, it took place at Madison Square Garden in New York City. That is the same arena that the New York KNicks play in and that the team where they all reunited. So for all of that to happen is very unique and worth noting. I also have a reliable source to note that coincidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papi360 (talk • contribs) 16:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

• The problem with your Carmelo Anthony edit about the 11-12 season was that it was your commentary, or your synthesis of other people's commentary. All opinions, analysis and commentary should be attributed to a reliable source.
• If there is original research, then point it out or delete it. It's not a reason to have more original research.
• Yes, it's unique for three teammates to have played in the same all-star game, but that doesn't mean it's notable enough to include in an encyclopedia. If a reliable, third party source makes a point of noting the coincidence, then great. Otherwise, it's just trivia. --Mosmof (talk) 18:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

• It wasn't my commentary. I am reporting what other major media news organizations is reporting. I am just reporting facts and providing a summary. NOne of it is my comments.
• Also if we or me is going to delete original research, that would pretty much be the end of Wikipedia. Most articles contain a huge portion of original research. Thats the foundation of this site - original research.
• ESPN and youtube has noted the coincidence. I also firmly believe that it will continue to be noted once the NBA season starts. In addition, when I made my first ever contribution, you indicated to me taht you liked my contribution. THerefore, to now state that you don't like it is contradictory to what you originally believed.

Thats it for now. I just wanted to communicate my feelings on the whole thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papi360 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 4 August 2012‎

• Fair enough. But you should still attribute those commentaries to reliable sources.
• I think we have a fundamental disagreement on what original research and synthesis mean.
• I believe I thanked you for your contributions, but I don't think I ever expressed that your edits were beyond reproach. --Mosmof (talk) 01:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok thanks for your input and suggestions for editing and making contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papi360 (talk • contribs) 05:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Courtesy

Dear Mosmof, I appreciate that you are trying to help, however if you do look at the bottom, I have a section full of resources, that if you actually read my article, you could see where they came into place. Another thing, I am new to Wikipedia, so I am not familiar with all the controls, that being my article is not a complete masterpiece. I am focusing on one thing, giving valuable, accurate information. Another thing, I know my references are not in top, midterm paper like condition, however they can be read and understood. If you think you can do better, than you find information on Pedro the Donkey, and reply back. I gladly except info. One more thing, about Joe Paterno, is that my statement was correct. On Sunday, July 22nd, work crews gathered at Beaver Stadium, and took his statue down. Check your response again. I'm afraid you were wrong about Joe Paterno, not me. Thanks! - Reporter 22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reporter22 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks for helping me get started! Nymusix (talk) 23:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Amare Stoudemire

Hello-

I represent Amare Stoudemire's digital platforms. I have reverted back to my original changes to the first couple lines of his biography to be synonymous with his official website bio. Please let me know if you need reasons of why we consider Amare to be known for more than just a pro basketball player (author, motivational speaker, etc.)

Thanks!

Amare Stoudemire

Hello-

I represent Amare Stoudemire's digital platforms. I have reverted back to my original changes to the first couple lines of his biography to be synonymous with his official website bio. Please let me know if you need reasons of why we consider Amare to be known for more than just a pro basketball player (author, motivational speaker, etc.)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbricks33 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you have an e-mail where we can talk more extensively? I am somewhat confused on the changes you made and would like to educate myself on what is considered correct and incorrect in regards to edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbricks33 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Harry Redknapp

If you're going to make a revision to an edit, at least bother to explain why........ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.9.191 (talk) 23:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons

Unfortunately I no longer have access to Wikimedia Commons, but if you could transfer the images of the A.C. Milan players that I have uploaded to English Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons I would be grateful. MarkMysoe (talk) 05:52, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Can you stop uploading low-res files?

Please upload the original from Flickr, not the thumbnail. Just use Flinfo. It's super easy.--Mosmof (talk) 02:49, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank's Mosmof, for showing this Flinfo tool, I will use this tool next time to upload the original size of a image. Thank's again. MarkMysoe (talk) 03:29, 1 November 2012 (UTC)