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Professional Risk Managers' International Association

Hi DGG. Please comment on Talk:Professional Risk Managers' International Association as to what changes you'd like to see made there. Thanks. Fintor (talk) 19:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

CVs

What is the preferred format to reference CVs? I would think external link rather than in line citation, but thought I would ask. Article in question is Robert R. Caldwell. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:50, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I usually add both. It's both a RS for most purposes, and a proper external link. I also of course add an EL to their web page at the university, but often the CB is not linked from there. I consider the formal CV a much more authoritative source than the university website. The formal DV id sn officisal document, and people get hired on the basis of it. In 11 years here there has only been one case of a false (or even misleading) cv for an actual academic. (politicians are another matter). For the university website, department PR staff sometimes have a role in it. DGG ( talk ) 04:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Request on 00:01:47, 3 June 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Mjones3927

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I think I explained clearly but briefly in my decline: I think Bishops of churches like this are considered sufficiently notable to have a reasonable chance of passing AfD, though of course that doesn't say whether this particular one will in fact be approved. However, this is a testimonial, not an encyclopedic biography. The quotations of praise are wholly inappropriate. The details of just in what manner he received his appointments are unnecessary, But the real problem is with the entire sections on issues, such as "Police reform". This is not a place for advocacy, and what is presented there is advocacy. the extent of the details of the discrimination and mockery he suffered, and of the abuses he tried to correct, are unencyclopedic detail. The details in the others sections are again excessive. DGG ( talk ) 00:34, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

I think the article has the hallmarks of a commissioned work.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:21, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello

You stood out as the sole user who I thought may be possibly amendable on this whole draft article ordeal. Part of the reason I've chosen to not continue it is a belief that nothing I produce, at least by myself, will be satisfactory to the detractors and cynics who have opposed some of my past additions and for whom I was confident would resume this pattern. I did want to ask what qualifies a person to receive a sub article; do the Early life of Frank Sinatra and Early life of Joseph Stalin exist because the main articles are long? I've found myself perplexed by that question since that happen, and I'm seeing fit to live with the mystery. Informant16 June 2, 2017

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A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for reviewing my article about Sukhdev Rajbhar. Regards Yavarai (talk) 10:06, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Scholars vs block evasion

The author of these articles about academics, Ethan G. Lewis, Nina Pavcnik, Eric Edmonds, Leila Agha, Simone Schaner, is currently under SPI for block evasion here. These articles could all be deleted WP:G5, but I'm not sure that they must be deleted. I've PRODed a couple of them, but a further look reveals that hey might just in fact be notable. Thoughts? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

the current tags seem right. The full professors are notable, not the others. I commented at the spi. DGG ( talk ) 02:26, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Nils Ohlsen AfD

Hi there! Hope you're well. Somewhat dipping my toe back in these worlds. You may have received a ping, but not entirely sure if that worked so also wanted to leave a note here. If you have time over the next few days, mind a look at Articles_for_deletion/Nils_Ohlsen? It's definitely iffy in either direction but a user mentioned his being published/cited and I know that's very much your world so thought you might be able to weigh in. Full disclosure, I wanted to save it as I think he is notable, I just can't find anything to confirm it. Thanks either way . StarM 01:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

very obviously meets WP:PROF. I commented DGG ( talk ) 02:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Glad you found it despite my wholly b0rked link. I'm a newbie again, apparently. StarM 01:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

AYC

Hello, why did you delete DYC? It is a youth organization, like the British Youth Council. Please tell me why, thanks. And can you give me the deleted version. If there is anything I can change about it, let me know. User:2A02:C7F:A25:E900:4D0F:693:AD8:DEE5

2a02:c7f:a25:e900:4d0f:693:ad8:dee5, the DYC is the Dartford Youth Council, the youth council of a town in Kent. The BYC represents all of the UK. There's a difference! DGG ( talk ) 09:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

NPP backlog

I don't think much is ever going to come of the dialogue the WMF has started. More and more it looks as if every good faith suggestion by volunteers is receiving counter arguments by the WMF who are now saying that the problems are of our own making. It reinforces my view that the whole movement is based on some kind of serfdom. Not to mention their emails to me stating that my participation in that discussion is inappropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:26, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Question about a deleted article Jassim Haji

Hi there, thank you for your efforts in Wikipedia. I have created an article about Jassim Haji and I am confident that he meets the nobility requirements with many references yet it has been deleted twice. There are other articles about individuals that are not to the level of Jassim Haji without useful content nor references yet they are not marked for deletion, for example Jassim Mohammed Haji and Samer Majali. I would like to kindly request you to reconsider reinstating the article of Jassim Haji and I will be more than happy to apply any comments to make the articles worth having. Awaiting your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki man 195 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

(by talk page stalker) @Wiki man 195: So you know, pointing to other deficient articles is not a valid argument. I understand that this is a common fallacy, looking at other articles to gauge what's permissible. Wikipedia has done an exceptionally poor job of communicating with the general public and sadly editors like you are misinformed and consequently run into this sad business of deletion. I took a look at the other articles you mentioned just to explain. Jassin Mohammed Haji passes our criterion for footballers and Jassim Al Saeedi passes our criterion for politicians, so both of those subjects are notable even if those articles are both lousy. Most people that create articles don't care about writing quality content, which is sad. Samer Majali's name pops up in many articles. I'm not so sure he's notable but I'm not going to take chances on nominating the article for deletion because I know many Wikipedians will get confused and claim he's generally notable. You can nominate the article if you like. I did notice that Jassim Al Kazmawi is not notable and I've proposed that article for deletion, so it won't serve as a bad example to you. I try to delete insufficient articles because I know the confusion they create. I hope this helps. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:58, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I wish I could see the article that was submitted. The editor says he added 20+ new references and appears to have acted in good faith acting the AfC help desk for assistance [1]. Did the article finally get through AfC only to be deleted? If so, this is a deficiency of the AfC program IMO. And so is the inability of non-sysop editors to see what's going on and potentially assist. - Bri (talk) 21:09, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

The sequence is complicated, but in brief summary two versions were created: First, a userspace draft that Wiki man 195 moved himself to mainspace on Mar 11 2014. I nominated it for AfD, and slakr closed it as nonconsensus although the only positive argument was a high number of ghits. I try to follow up such situation but there are too many to catch them all. Wiki man added a multitude of minor accomplishments and one book, Drmies removed the long list of conferences attended & trivial awards, Seektrue nominated it for AfD2. Joe Decker closed as delete after no keep arguments were given. Wiki man entered it again in mainspace without improvement, someone put a G4 on it, and I deleted, I think without realizing I had brought the original afd--I would normally have left it to someone else.

almost simultaneously with this, Wiki man also created the article at AfC on Jan 17, 2014 Ktr101 declined it. Wikiman sent a question about it to the AfC help desk, but nobody responded and it was archived. As nobody worked on the draft further , it was eventually deleted as G13. I suppose Wikiman no longer worked on it because he has already had his expanded version closed nonconsensus at AfD, which is reasonable enough.

This does show some problems at AfC--first, one which has been partially fixed, in 2014 there were frequently no responses to questions at its help desk, and many of the responses were merely "look at the decline message on your talk page for the reasons". Things are considerably better there now. Then , another which has also been partially fixed, the co-existence of multiple versions which do not get noticed. There are some very helpful messages about some such situations now, though I do not know if they would have caught this. Third, the ability of users to bypass review by simply moving the article--but though often abused, I regard this as a necessary safety valve to deal with really bad reviewing. Fourth, and still very much with us, the overcomplicated system which leaves good faith users uncertain how to proceed, and creates confusion for the good faith reviewers and admins. Fifth, and even more with us now than earlier, the inability of the relatively few careful workers with afc and with new articles generally to keep up with the work as carefully as needed.

There is a good way to get permission to look at deleted articles; I gave this very reason as the main one in my RfA. Of course, as I had not then and still have not written any GAs, I might not nowadays have been approved. Bri, I know your RfA was hijacked by the action of several people whose efforts at WP have had the effect of supporting paid editors, even undeclared paid editors. . (To be sure, some of them honestly --if rather amazingly--just did not see the harm that result.) I can't pretend they have all gone away, but I think their influence is much less prevalent now; I thing your essay User:Bri/What's wrong with undisclosed paid editing which was attacked at the time is now generally understood to represent consensus.

As for the article. the person is an IT executive for a Gulf company. He's published one book, a collection of his articles in the local trade press. He claims notability for introducing advanced technology (such as tablets) in his company , for making many speeches, for a doctorate from Northumbrira University-a university not accredited to give research degrees, and for being on the cover of 7 regional computer magazines. I am not going to restore. Our problem was that this was ever kept, but that's AfD.

Of the other people he mentions, Samer Majali is CEO of the company where Jassim Haji is head of IT, and Jassim Mohammed Haji is a a member of the Iraq national football team. Both are very modest non-promotional articles. Sometimes all we can say is yes, but we still need to delete the others, but these two we should keep. DGG ( talk ) 00:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

About deleting centuries at Warner Park

Hi there, I noticed that you are trying to delete one of my articles. I don't know the reason. If you can explaining it, it is good. Because I have contributed many century articles and you can find those as well. Also, what is wrong of making a century article, because the venue has staged more than 10 centuries. I don't know your point. Cheers. Gihan Jayaweera (talk 2:15, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

you are quite correct, I have just noticed this one , and I am challenging them all as unnecessary cross compilation of statistics. The AfD will judge, and depending on the results, i will decide what to propose for the others. Some people here would list them all in a case like this, but I'm much more cautious. DGG ( talk ) 09:04, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

About Deleting MobiSys

Hi there, You have tagged MobiSys for speedy deletion. This article fall in category of 'Academic Conferences'. Its rank is B according to academic conference ranking. This conferences is being held from last 15 years covering the topics of mobile and operating system research in all over the world. All the conferences are listed and can be verified for all 15 years. --Liza.Alicia (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Do you have references about the series of conferences (not about individual papers) providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements? Everything in the article was only an announcement. And looking at the ranking you used, there are 4 categories A* A B and C. I'd think that some in A* might possibly be notable, but not the 3rd rank of the 4. Wikipedia is not a Directory. DGG ( talk ) 20:19, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Id fresh foods

Hello, I was curious as to why you nominated Id fresh foods for deletion (I removed the tag since it didn't seem right). I looked at the sources cited, and both the Forbes India and Quartz source seem to indicate that the company is significant. The two lower sources seem to be routine coverage of business events, but there did appear to be enough there that A7 isn't the best venue for deletion. I looked briefly to see if the sources were just republished press releases, but neither of the sources named above seemed to be press releases. Appable (talk | contributions) 21:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

not a problem, now at AfD. It remains an open question wether having sources necessarily indicates significance, which is different from notability. And I have been known to make mistakes. My rate of getting things deleted at CSD is 95% not 100%--which is why I never do single-handed deletions, at least not for A7 and G11, both of which have an element of judgment. DGG ( talk ) 22:10, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! I've commented in the AfD discussion now. Appable (talk | contributions) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

hi DGG, on creating a talkpage for William Feather this message popped up: "22:22, 13 August 2016 DGG (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:William Feather (G8: Talk page of a deleted page)", although there is an afd going on here, i reckon it may end up a keeper so i have gone ahead and created the talkpage, hope this is okay.

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Amir Higher

The earlier ProD was actully a BLPProD.The second ProD, which I removed w/o checking the prior ProD closely enough, and then restored, was a regular ProD. Cheers, Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:21, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Help with Article

Hi DGG,

Earlier this year you took at look at How (philosophy) and flagged it as reading like an advert.

I've taken a careful look an I think the problem can be solved just by removing the entire second paragraph:

"The philosophy has been cited as influential by Nobel peace prize laureate Elie Wiesel,[1] New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman,[4] and is frequently discussed in the New York Times.[5][6][7][8] Since 2011, The HOW Column has appeared in Forbes[9] and several international publications[10][11] and previously appeared in Business Week.[12] How has been a presentation topic at the World Economic Forum,[13] the United Nations[14][15] and the Aspen Ideas Festival.[16]"

The rest of the article seems a straightforward discussion.

Would you mind taking a look and of you agree, making the change? I have a conflict of interest. Thanks,

Ed BC1278 (talk) 17:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)BC1278

(talk page stalker) I broke one my rules and created How (philosophy)/Rewrite to see what this article would look like if the citations to the book itself were removed. This is much improved IMO and rather necessary. - Bri (talk) 18:05, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Apologies; the delete fairies appeared before we could discuss. I made the necessary changes to How (philosophy). - Bri (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

That's an extremely good rewrite, as of course I would expect. {{U|BC1278} and Bri Should it be How, referring to the book, or "How", referring to the philosophy. If it should be How, then the article title should be in italics also. I think it is easier to show the book is notable,& it gives the necessary NFCC justification for the illustration . DGG ( talk ) 20:02, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

It should be moved to How (book) now, I think ... as it stands it's about a book, and the title should say so. I think that {{infobox book}} takes care of the italicization details. - Bri (talk) 21:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Vladimir Pimonov

Hello David, Thank you for your edit. First I undid your edit as I could see that something was wrong with formatting (reference wikicodes appeared in the article). Then I noticed that you also corrected some grammatical errors and I restored your corrections. Kind regards,Ivpetivpet (talk) 09:22, 10 June 2017 (UTC)I.P.

The Other Greeks

Thank you for helping improve The Other Greeks. Theropod (talk) 21:14, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

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AfD

Hi saw your AfD PechaKucha, Doesn't same rational apply to Speed geeking and should be nominated for AfD...
Best Regards
Sulaimandaud (talk) 16:47, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

not exactly. PechaKucha is an apparent attempt to use a trademark to maintain a monopoly on the use of the term. I consider such obvious transparent commercial advertisements. Speed Geek is not a comercial enterprise, but almost all the refs are to their own publicity, and it probably is not notable. But it's not as high a priority for removal. But certainly nominate if you wish. DGG ( talk ) 22:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

A quick note on patrolling

Hello! I saw your post here wishing that some kind of keyword sorting might be imposed upon unpatrolled pages to help us patrol pages in our realm of interest. I just wanted to leave a quick note here in case you missed the recent conversation at Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Noticeboard where someone pointed out that you can use User:AlexNewArtBot to do exactly that. For example, here are the search results for the New Jersey keyword search. It'd be nice if this functionality was integrated into the NewPagesFeed interface, but in the meantime it definitely helps me to be more efficient with patrolling. Happy editing! Ajpolino (talk) 19:51, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

yes,I'm aware of that, and a simplified version oft he bot was more or less what I have in mind. . Unfortunately, very few workgroups aare actually active, and fewer actually use i; locating the results within the workgroups is not very efficient for anyone else, as most of us interested in deletion process have altogether too many workgroups to follow.. The bot needs to be used to provide a more systematic approach,with the material in one place.

What I had in mind was either a collection of pages covering all, after the model of categorized AfD discussions, the articles , using the bot , or simply using the bot to add subject keywords to the new article list. I'll comment further. I apologize for not having had the time yesterday--but I've also found that sometimes just suggesting an idea and letting others develop it to be a very effective way of getting interest. DGG ( talk ) 00:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Do you think a tool that did something like this would be of any practical use? I haven't done any serious NPP myself for about a decade, and it was pretty rare back then for pages to hang around unreviewed long enough for someone to categorize them. —Cryptic 01:03, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

21:22:49, 13 June 2017 review of submission by Mjones3927

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The article contains many independent reliable and credible sources and very few sources associated with the subject. Please elaborate on what more you may be looking for. Also, the detail regarding the denomination is to establish its credibility as the largest and oldest Pentecostal denomination. As pentecostal bishops aren't automatically considered notable as catholic and other bishops are, perhaps noting the significance of the Church Of God In Christ and their international presence may establish a precedence to consider its bishops notable as well. Finally, the "praise" quotation you noted was one made by a credible journalist in a credible source. Are such quotations not allowed?

The entire sections 1.7, 1.8, 1.9, & 1.11 are not about him, but about the causes he works towards. They are straight advocacy, and we do not do that on WP, no matter howe worthy the cause. It is acceptable to say briefly what causes he supports; one sentence each is the usual. The details of the various statements he made is not encyclopedic content. 1.10 consists claims to political influence from meetings with various politicians. Most of the meetings are pure routine.

For the rest, use his name no more than once a paragraph -- "he" is the best substitute. We don't usually include children's names if they are minors, we do give the dates of degrees. We do need a source for any ethic statements, and for the etymology of his name.

As I agree that he is notable, I will do the necessary cutting if you do not do it yourself. But it would be better if you at least made s start. DGG ( talk ) 22:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Common pool resources

Hello, DGG. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Common pool resources".

In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Legacypac (talk) 01:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

(Why did you only restore the last revision here? Was it unintentional? —Cryptic 01:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC))

Thanks for noticing--I've done the others. The problem here is that the submitted article is in the style of a term paper and ideally needs a complete rewrite, which I hope someone with more knowledge of economics will deal with, but perhaps I will try a stubbification. DGG ( talk ) 01:25, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

To be honest, looking at the earliest version, I thought for sure that it must be a copyvio; it has all the hallmarks of a cut-and-paste. None of it googles to anything but Wikipedia mirrors, though. —Cryptic 01:29, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The New Page Patrol backlog

Your speech here was a masterpiece. A shame it was only on a user's talk page. Relax for 15 minutes and read WP:KNPP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I will copy over a revised version somewhere. I think of it as a rough draft, and I was very tired when I did it. I has not followed the previous ANI stuff.

AfD'd article

Hello DGG! I received your note on my talk page and the one on the AfD you initiated on an article I edited. Any chance you can have another look at it when you have a chance, and if you think the issue you raised has now been settled, remove it from AfD? Thank you! Climate7298 (talk) 18:56, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of Darrick E. Antell MD wikipedia page

Hello DGG! I'm writing to request some information as to why the article on Darrick E. Antell MD was deleted on November 11, 2016. I've tried my best to write the article according to guidelines and I would greatly appreciate it if I can get some feedback! I would like to get the page back up as I do believe it is a non-trivial article and worth putting on Wikipedia!

Please let me know. I greatly appreciate it!

Best st2671 — Preceding unsigned comment added by St2671 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

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You mentioned a merge? I'll be working on that.

Hello, this is the page creator for Hennessey Special Vehicles, Ecks Dey.

As for this page I will still keep it as an article, but instead use it as a redirect to Hennessey Performance Engineering.

Thanks from, User:Ecks Dey. Ecks Dey (talk) 23:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

thanks for following up, Ecks Dey. DGG ( talk ) 02:45, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

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Davis Hospital and Medical Center A7

Hi there. I'm a bit surprised you nominated this article as A7 instead of just redirecting it to the parent company's article per WP:ATD-R. Any specific reason? Regards SoWhy 08:31, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I had not spotted that the company had an article in WP. But even if I had seen it, I do not necessarily consider that there should be a link to the parent company for every possible individual structure that it owns, I do not necessarily consider such to be a useful redirect, and I might not have made it. In fact, I see that you too did not make it.

I notice that you declined the speedy with the rationale "(Decline speedy - Being part of a notable entity indicates importance/significance ". I do not consider this correct as worded: it would mean that no article on a person could ever be speedied, since every one of them is a member of some notable nation or another. What you probably meant is something like "Being a significant part..."; This is not totally illogical, but I do not necessarily consider this to be a plausible assertion of significance or importance. It would have to be a major part of enough significance that someone who knew WP could reasonably have considered it suitable for an article. As most hospitals are not, I consider the A7 valid.

There are 3 rational ways to proceed: make a redirect for it and every hospital on the list that they own, list the article for AfD and ask that a redirect not be made as not sufficiently useful, or try to find sources so a valid article could be written if the hospital is sufficiently notable itself (considering that the trend of AfD decisions is that most hospitals are not). There is also the need for improvement of the parent company; it is probably large enough for notability, though not currently documented. DGG ( talk ) 22:33, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

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• The team is moving full speed ahead on a follow-up project to the New Filters for Edit Review beta dubbed "Integrated Filters." The name refers to the fact that we are integrating the Recent Changes tools that currently remain in the old user interface (like Namespace and Tag filters), along with some tools and capabilities from Watchlist and elsewhere, into the new Recent Changes interface.
• You can get an overview of the Integrated Filters projects, and the general release strategy, on the description page of the project Phabricator board. Among the more interesting new capabilities:
  • Category filters: We'll be adding the ability to filter by category. This is a little tricky, since wiki categories often work in a somewhat counter-intuitive way, with the broadest categories returning the fewest results—because categories like "Science" or "Art" tend to contain not articles but other categories. So we're exploring solutions where a category search will crawl at least a layer or two down the category treat to, hopefully, bring back more useful results. [2]
  • User filters: We're adding the ability to filter by any username, similar to what's available already on the the User Contributions page. [3]
  • Live update: Users will have the ability to look at a more or less continuous flow of changes. This is a much requested feature that we expect will open up new possibilities for Recent Changes, especially for patrollers who want to see vandalism or other changes as they happen. While the updates won't truly be "live," the page updates will be frequent, similar to the way real-time tools (like RTRC or LiveRC) works. [4]

Edit Review Improvements [More information • Help pages]

Have time for a talk?

• We're looking for people we can interview about their experiences with the new beta. If you’re a regular user of Recent Changes and have tried the new features—and if you can spare an hour to chat in English with our design researcher—please email dchenwikimedia.org with the subject line “user interview.” Let us know how to get in touch with you and what time zone (city, country...) you’re in.

Recent changes

• It is now possible to save your favorite filters sets by using bookmarks. [5]
  • This feature documentation can be translated.
• It is possible to filter only the last edits done on a page on the Recent Changes page. [6]
• ORES review tool has been deployed to French Wikipedia. This wiki can use predictions filters. To have the predictions filters on your wiki, you need to work on the labeling campaign for your wiki or request it. [7]
• There were some issues with loading highlighted results when the URL was copied and pasted. This is now fixed. [8]
• A "Watchlisted pages" filter group now lets reviewers use Recent Changes, and all its tools, to patrol changes to pages they've Watchlisted. If you have any feedback about how useful this is nor isn't—especially given that we plan to add the new filtering interface to the Watchlist page — let us know.
• There were issues with the tools still in the older filtering UI — like the Namespace filter and the number of results selectors. These have been fixed. [9]

Future changes

• Integration of new features on recent changes pages is planned. They will include menus to filter users, tagged edits, categories and namespaces. See the "What's new" section above for more information.
• Now that users can save filter settings, and declare any settings they want as the Recent Changes page default, we'll be reviewing the RC page Preferences with an eye to getting rid of as many as we can. For instance, if you want to hide minor edits or Category changes by default, you can now do that right on the RC page, instead of having to go to a separate page to manage defaults.
• On many Recent Changes Pages, the community has defined a large number of links that are displayed directly under the page name (example on Polish Wikipedia). Many of these links are unrelated or only peripherally related to Recent Changes, add informational complexity of the RC page. Research shows that they are used only rarely or never. We want to clarify RecentChanges page functionality, so we plan to put the links into a collapsible panel.
  • Should the panel default to open or closed? That is, should the default state (which users can change with one click) show the links as hidden or displayed? Let us know what you think.
  • The most used links are shortcuts to certain type of edits, (Mobile, Newcomers...). Users can already save their favorite filter settings to the Saved Settings menu, which should make some of the existing links redundant. We plan to provide default bookmarks for the most used filters combinations. [10]

Notifications [More information • Help pages]

Future changes

• Wikimedia Deutschland have scheduled the notifications of Wikibase notifications to Wikimedia projects: all the Wikivoyages on May 3; all the Wikipedias except en, fr, de on May 30; all other projects on June 13 and Wikipedias en, fr, de on September 5. [11]
• It will be possible to restrict who can send you notifications. [12]

Flow [More information • Help pages]

Recent changes

• Flow has been activated on all talk pages on Catalan Wikiquote. [13]

Future changes

• On the Beta feature page, the activation message has been review to emphase the fact that the unstructured wikitext page will be archived. [14]

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08:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Unacknowledged translation

Hallo David

New article Mary Chaplin, by a brand new editor (here's the article as they created it), appears to be an exact copy/translation of the French wiki article (but without doing anything clever like making the references work). What's the procedure here? It can't be right to leave it as is, "created" by someone who I'm sure hasn't consulted the sources, but my mind has gone blank as to what to do with it. Advice, please? PamD 08:44, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Opinions on how to handle this vary. Another editor moved it to Draft:Mary Chaplin which is reasonable. But I see that a sufficient number of links do exist and reading them, they do document the article, so I would simply have marked the dead links, put a link to the French article, , and tagged for notability , since I am not sure the awards are sufficient. DGG ( talk ) 22:12, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

now at Draft:Masry Chapin. DGG ( talk ) 07:50, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Moral supervenience

In my opinion, this article reads like a term paper. I flagged it once as needing a rewrite to sound more like an encyclopedic entry rather than OR. Of course, I could be wrong. The creator is being exceptionally rude and insuting. Thoughts? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:51, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

its a complicated concept, and I think it needs to be explained clearly that the term is a specialized term with only a very specialized meaning used in the field. Both it and the general article on supervenience need considerable further clarification/ DGG ( talk ) 03:55, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Middlebury, Connecticut

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Middlebury, Connecticut. Legobot (talk) 04:25, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Innovent Biologics

Hi, DGG. I noticed the {{advert}} you put on the article Innovent Biologics that I created. I just removed some content that may seem like promotional and added re-edited the article. Is it OK to remove that template now? Thanks.--Amanda guo (talk) 02:57, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

it still has content like "From its onset, Innovent has been focusing on innovation.", "In recent months, Innovent has been recognized by outside organizations for its significant contributions. " I think theentire purpose of the article is advertising. DGG ( talk ) 03:43, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

About deleting centuries at Warner Park

Hi there, I noticed that you are trying to delete one of my articles. I don't know the reason. If you can explaining it, it is good. Because I have contributed many century articles and you can find those as well. Also, what is wrong of making a century article, because the venue has staged more than 10 centuries. I don't know your point. Cheers. Gihan Jayaweera (talk 2:15, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

you are quite correct, I have just noticed this one , and I am challenging them all as unnecessary cross compilation of statistics. The AfD will judge, and depending on the results, i will decide what to propose for the others. Some people here would list them all in a case like this, but I'm much more cautious. DGG ( talk ) 09:04, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Still under discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries at Warner Park DGG ( talk ) 02:36, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Davis Hospital and Medical Center A7

Hi there. I'm a bit surprised you nominated this article as A7 instead of just redirecting it to the parent company's article per WP:ATD-R. Any specific reason? Regards SoWhy 08:31, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

I had not spotted that the company had an article in WP. But even if I had seen it, I do not necessarily consider that there should be a link to the parent company for every possible individual structure that it owns, I do not necessarily consider such to be a useful redirect, and I might not have made it. In fact, I see that you too did not make it.

I notice that you declined the speedy with the rationale "(Decline speedy - Being part of a notable entity indicates importance/significance ". I do not consider this correct as worded: it would mean that no article on a person could ever be speedied, since every one of them is a member of some notable nation or another. What you probably meant is something like "Being a significant part..."; This is not totally illogical, but I do not necessarily consider this to be a plausible assertion of significance or importance. It would have to be a major part of enough significance that someone who knew WP could reasonably have considered it suitable for an article. As most hospitals are not, I consider the A7 valid.

There are 3 rational ways to proceed: make a redirect for it and every hospital on the list that they own, list the article for AfD and ask that a redirect not be made as not sufficiently useful, or try to find sources so a valid article could be written if the hospital is sufficiently notable itself (considering that the trend of AfD decisions is that most hospitals are not). There is also the need for improvement of the parent company; it is probably large enough for notability, though not currently documented. DGG ( talk ) 22:33, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

redirected DGG ( talk ) 15:12, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

AfD'd article

Hello DGG! I received your note on my talk page and the one on the AfD you initiated on an article I edited. Any chance you can have another look at it when you have a chance, and if you think the issue you raised has now been settled, remove it from AfD? Thank you! Climate7298 (talk) 18:56, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I commented at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dipayan Ghosh DGG ( talk ) 15:18, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Onsoele - Novonium sockpuppet?

Hallo David, I noticed your words of welcome and advice at User talk:Onsoele. I suspect that this editor has been around a very long time and been given helpful advice many many times, choosing to ignore it all and continue to produce these stubs on marginally-notable people, with publications list sourced to Goodreads, bullet-point-like prose, and cyptically-formatted references. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Novonium. PamD 07:30, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

the articles I am currently commenting on are mostly about clearly notable academics. They are not however so famous, as to defeat the usual way of handling them: if the ed. is a sock, they should be deleted DGG ( talk ) 22:08, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I've helped out with the SPI formatting. I'm sure the results will confirm socking. Afterwards we can work on a bundled deletion. - Bri (talk) 23:32, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Opinion...

What do you feel about FKB (band), Giulia Lupetti, Pyper America, Boutir and SevenHills Hospital? I was inclined to tag the last two as WP:G11.The rest looks to me as borderline promotional.Thanks!Winged Blades ^Godric 11:38, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Well, here's some more--Guerrilla crosswalks,Genos Research,Beirut (art space) and Starover Blue.Winged Blades ^Godric 11:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

That's enough for the next few days to keep us busy upon!Winged Blades ^Godric 11:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Atsme; so that he may join us!Winged Blades ^Godric 11:54, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

My only caution about bands, record labels, fan pages, music, celebrity spin-offs, etc. can be summed up in this diff which resulted in a bit of a rollback'' but it's mainstream thinking nonetheless. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:46, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I try to not get involved in fan areas. WP has always been very intensive in a few fields, and I think it best to leave them alone, on the basis that others may think the stuff I am interested in to be just as intrinsically unimportant. DGG ( talk ) 17:18, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I am deeply disturbed by your apparent admission of moral cowardice, DGG. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:40, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

If you mean I do not go around here looking for fights, I admit the charge. If you mean that I am prepared to admit that other's views on importance or anything else may be valid although different from my own, I think any other attitude arrogant. If you mean that I do not seek to eliminate articles on let's say wrestling or tv serial episodes or individual pop songs because I do not like the genre, I think my view coincides with the principles of WP. DGG ( talk ) 18:00, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Are my eyes deceiving me?

Please look at the first section, then look at these 2 comments at AfD ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:35, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I am not entirely certain he realizes it's inconsistent. Some of his comments at AfDs seem to have only slight relevance to the situation. DGG ( talk ) 22:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

John Le Couteur (general)

Hello, DGG. I see that you recently accepted this draft for publication, but didn't use the AfC script for doing it. And so, there is no AfC acceptance banner on the Talk page and an unremoved AfC banner at the bottom of the article. I presume that all of this was inadvertant, so I'm writing just to let you know about it. NewYorkActuary (talk) 19:47, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

the AFCH script does not work reliably for me. I give it one or two chances, and if it doesn't run, I move manually. I do try to remove the miscellany AfD leaves behind on the article--I missed the banner this time--thanks for spotting that. The way I feel about complicated procedures here, is that I work on articles and with people. If I have a choice between either dealing with more articles or following the details of procedure, I deal with as many articles as I can. Things that cannot be done without using codes and procedures, I avoid doing. Nor do I use the templates and picture-codes at spi or copyvio or -- especially-- the help page; rather, I make the necessary comments in plain English text. I'm glad if people with more determination and patience organize and clean up further, and there's no need to even notify me, but I don't mind that either. DGG ( talk ) 21:02, 29 June 2017 (UTC)