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Zamora (Pianist)editGreetings, I am a fan of Zamora (Pianist) and I am adding this list of true facts with solid references that were removed due to copying it exactly from the biography page of the artist, in order to restore all of them one by one as it was suggested by Wiki Admin C.Fred. The list of achievements of Zamora through his lifetime is impressive and huge but I will start with the following 27 most important and relevant achievements. Biography Highlights: 1. Zamora was postulated two times as Presidential Candidate of Venezuela and it was removed, even with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela (CNE) as reference announcing him as one of the Presidential Candidates. Here is the link with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela: Link of reference: http://www4.cne.gob.ve/web/sala_prensa/noticia_detallada.php?id=2078
2. Zamora is also considered a national treasure and as one of the greatest composers of piano and instrumental music worldwide. The review was made by Julie Anderson (AirPlayDirect.com). So, I agree to restore this relevant fact as it was suggested (He has been “described” as a national treasure and as one of the greatest composers of piano and instrumental music worldwide). The article about Zamora published by major Venezuelan newspaper EL UNIVERSAL seems to have been placed wrongly as reference about that. Here is the link with the official biographical review by Julie Anderson @AirPlayDirect.com Link of reference: http://www.airplaydirect.com/music/zamora 3. A virtuoso “maestro” and prolific composer who has received multiple international recognitions from prestigious awards, public figures and personalities around the world. Zamora was also described as a prolific composer (synonym of virtuoso “maestro”). The review was made by Jason Birchmeier (Allmusic.com) The last part (...who has received multiple international recognitions from prestigious awards, public figures and personalities around the world) is obvious since he has been nominated several times to The GRAMMY Awards along with other legendary celebrities like Kitaro, Pat Metheny and Gustavo Dudamel, the famous orchestra conductor of the Los Angeles Philharmonic. Link of reference: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/zamora-mn0002451836/ 4. Zamora is also a writer and this fact was removed Here is his official author page @Amazon.com. Link of reference: https://www.amazon.com/Zamora/e/B003K57CB2/ 5. Zamora lives traveling between The United States, his native country and around the world according to his official website and it is wrongly stated that he lives in both Los Angeles and Venezuela. No person (human) is able to live in two locations at the same time. Here is the link of reference from his official website (alejandrozamora.com) http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/full_bio.htm 6. He is also a politician (same as writer) and this fact was also removed. Link of reference: http://www4.cne.gob.ve/web/sala_prensa/noticia_detallada.php?id=2078 (Same link with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela) Also, official documents signed by the National Electoral Council of Venezuela showing that he was postulated two times as Presidential Candidate of Venezuela (2012 and 2018) are available at the official website of Zamora. Link of reference: http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/bio.htm 7. Zamora arrived to the red carpet of the GRAMMYs in a “DeLorean” - the iconic car used in the legendary movie “Back to The Future” dresses as King with a cape, crown and scepter and this fact was removed too. Link of reference: http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/bio.htm VIDEO: http://alejandrozamora.com/video/ZAMORA_GRAMMY_DELOREAN/ 8. Zamora was nominated @The GRAMMYs (2010) in the same category along with legendary artist “Kitaro” and this important and relevant fact was removed too. Link of reference: List of GRAMMY Nominees - New Age category (2010) http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/53_GRAMMY.pdf 9. Zamora also was nominated @The GRAMMYs (2011) in the same category along with legendary artist “Pat Metheny” and this important and relevant fact was removed too. List of GRAMMY Nominees - New Age category (2011) Link of reference: http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/54_GRAMMY.pdf 10. Zamora was also nominated to the GRAMMY® Awards the same year along with the famous Venezuelan conductor of Los Angeles Philharmonic "Gustavo Dudamel" representing his native country Link of reference: 11. He is a descendant from General "Ezequiel Zamora" Here is the genealogical tree of Zamora published at his official website (hyperlink “descendant”) Link of reference: http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/zamora_tree.PNG 12. Zamora is also a singer and this fact was removed too. You can listen him singing in the samples of his new album VOX published at his official website. Link of reference: http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/disco/vox/vox.htm 13. He is also a philanthropist and this fact was removed too. (A Philanthropist can be anyone helping other people through their own Foundation). Here is the link to his Foundation. Link of reference: http://foundation.alejandrozamora.com 14. He is also a philosopher and evangelist and these facts were removed too. You can read these facts through his many thoughts, proverbs and reflections of his evangelist teachings and experiences in his book Thoughts, Proverbs and Reflections. Here is the link to his book @Amazon.com Link of Reference: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1449598366 15. He is also a poet. The lyrics of his songs are like a poem. Link of reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw 16. He supports and promotes a healthy lifestyle, a healthy diet and he is also advocated of natural medicine. You can read these facts in his book “Panacea”. Here is the link to his book titled “Panacea” Link of Reference: http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/biblio/panacea/panacea.htm 17. His music has been offered online worldwide through all the international websites of Amazon.com, including America, Asia and Europe. Link of reference: Amazon.com (US / North America) Amazon.com (Europe) https://www.amazon.es/Instrumental-Oasis-Vol-6-Zamora/dp/B01GUP4QBC Amazon.com (Asia) https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Zamora/dp/B01GUP4QBC 18. Prestigious singers from around the world have sung his songs in different languages, including famous singers Ana María Kovacs from Hungary and Leti Garza, from Texas, USA who is the vocalist of the song “Tropical Oasis” of his GRAMMY® nominated album “Instrumental Oasis, Vol.4” You can listen and watch the video of these singers singing the songs composed by Zamora here: Link of reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw 19. The vocal version of the instrumental song “Tropical Oasis” from his GRAMMY® nominated album “Instrumental Oasis, Vol. 4” performed by Leti Garza was a great success around the world gathering thousands of views in YouTube. Here is the link to the video @YouTube Link of reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw 20. The video of the vocal version of "Tropical Oasis", from the original GRAMMY® nominated album was created thanks to Mike Greenly, who wrote the lyrics of the Virginia state anthem. Here is the link to the video posted @YouTube with Mike Greenly himself commenting and the pinned comment with the special thanks given by Zamora to Mike Greenly. Link of reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXqq38tTSRw 21. He is the Founder / Admin of The G-Club!, a Facebook group with more than 10 years online and a coalition of more than 2000 prestigious musicians, independent artists, celebrities, nominees, winners and voting members of The GRAMMYs, The EMMYs and The Hollywood Music In Media Awards (HMMA) among many other prestigious awards. Here is the link to the Facebook group: Link of reference: https://www.facebook.com/groups/434141456691589 22. Zamora is the owner of a radio station called OASIS-FM Link of reference: 23. Zamora is the owner of an UBER style taxi service in his native country. You can see that Zamora / Zamora Foundation is the owner listed at the bottom of the page. Link of reference: www.tutaxi.com.ve 24. Zamora has been donor and supporter of many non-profit organizations like UNICEF, the Internatinal Red Cross and MusiCares through the GRAMMY® Foundation. Here is a link showing his name as official supporter @MusiCares and The GRAMMY Foundation Link of reference: MusiCares: https://www.grammy.com/sites/com/files/pages/mc_csr_2012.pdf GRAMMY Foundation: https://www.grammy.com/sites/com/files/pages/gf_csr_2012.pdf 25. He was a pioneer of the pre-Internet era in his native country and founder of Online BBS (1990s) Link of reference: http://www.textfiles.com/bbs/BBSLISTS/tbbbses.txt 26. He has composed more than 100 solo piano and instrumental songs. Link of reference: http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/disco/disco.htm 27. He has received special recognition and congratulations from many public figures, musicians and personalities around the world as NASA Administrator, Charles Bolden, Prince of Asturias (Actually King of Spain), The Vatican / Pope Francis / Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Ambassador / Apostolic Nuncio Aldo Giordano, Kevin Pike, Mike Greenly, Ambassador Vladimir Zaemsky from Russia, José Antonio Abreu, Los Angeles Philharmonic Director / Conductor Gustavo Dudamel and legendary musician “Chick Corea”, among many others. You can see here a huge showcase of recognitions and words of congratulations from personalities and public figures around the world given to Zamora. Link of reference: http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/full_bio.htm Johnjmuller (talk) 17:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
OK Thank you Wiki Admin C.Fred for your kind support and suggestions. First of all, I want to propose to restore the section “Biography Highlights” in order to have a simple global section to ease the process to start discussing and adding these items orderly one-by-one. Now, Here is the first item to start: 1. Zamora was postulated two times as Presidential Candidate of Venezuela and it was removed, even with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela (CNE) as reference announcing him as one of the Presidential Candidates. Here is the link with the official press release from the National Electoral Council of Venezuela: Link of reference: http://www4.cne.gob.ve/web/sala_prensa/noticia_detallada.php?id=2078 And, Here are the official documents signed by the National Electoral Council of Venezuela (CNE) validating his two postulations as Presidential Candidate of Venezuela (2012 and 2018). http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/CNE_1.jpg http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/CNE_2.jpg The copy of these documents is located in the official page of the artist at the left / bottom of the biography page (see CNE logo) hyperlink number 1 and 2 next to the PDF with the official press release of the National Electoral Council of Venezuela (CNE). Johnjmuller (talk) 17:52, 29 April 2021 (UTC) Note: After discussion and successful verification of the solid references that I have posted for each item, I will copy the original paragraph from the official artist biography page here and I would like to propose to C.Fred to edit and include it written differently to comply with the Wikipedia guidelines for inclusion in order to restore it again inside the article about Zamora @Wikipedia. Johnjmuller (talk) 18:31, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Item # 1 - Runs for presidenteditAccording to a release from CNE, an "Alejandro José Zamora Moya" ran for president of Venezuela in 2012. There is no other biographical information in the release, so how do we know that person who ran is the subject of the article? —C.Fred (talk) 20:11, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Johnjmuller (talk) 13:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
So, for this reason I said that for this case the right word is “Postulated” since that you can search through google “Chavez se postulo como candidato Presidencial” or “Maduro se postulo como candidato Presidencial” or “<any candidate> se postulo como candidato Presidencial” and the right English translation is “He was postulated as Presidential candidate” For example: If you do a search through google: Chavez se postuló (Chávez was postulated) [or any candidate] https://www.google.com/search?q="Chavez se postulo" You are going to get lots of results, validating my statement that the word “Postulated” is used heavily used in Venezuela in politics to refer to a candidate entering officially to run for any position. p.s, “Zamora se postuló” or “Chavez se postuló” or “El se postuló” In English is = “He was postulated” Johnjmuller (talk) 17:52, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
However, IMHO the use of the phrase “He was postulated” is still valid considering that it’s the direct translation in English (and vice-versa),and most important is the fact that this word is heavily used in politics in Venezuela. Perhaps for this reason it is written of this way at Zamoras website or maybe the text was written originally in Spanish since his website is available in both English and Spanish and the webmaster / editor used a software to translate it from Spanish, but again its my personal opinion. So, in English “ran for President” would be ok too. Johnjmuller (talk) 19:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC) @C.Fred: - I think that we are about to end this item #1 in order to advance to the next 26 remaining items... You already have the links with solid references and official documents validating that he ran for President of Venezuela two times (2012 and 2018) Also, “Ran for President” has been the phrase with more acceptance So, “He ran for President of Venezuela two-times (2012 and 2018)” would be the best phrasing. Now, it is up to you to add this fact inside the article again to go to the next item #2. And, Finally, Item #6 should to be restored again along with item #1. 6. He is also a Politician. Johnjmuller (talk) 00:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
@C.Fred: The Wikipedia article of Kanye West describes him as a Politician https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West You can’t go to the moon without being an Astronaut. So, you can’t run for President of a country without being a Politician. About the 2018 Presidential Elections of Venezuela, As you may know, the 2018 Presidential Election of Venezuela was a sham and rigged process full of irregularities and the National Electoral Council of Venezuela never released the names of all the Independent candidates running for President. There is a huge review made by an organization called “Venezuelan Electoral Observatory “(OEV) complaining about this and a lot of other things “...de los grupos de electores y postulación de candidatos por iniciativa propia fue completamente excluida del primer Cronograma Electoral...” In English: “...The information regarding the formation of the groups of voters and the postulation of candidates on their own initiative was completely excluded from the first Electoral Schedule...” https://oevenezolano.org/2018/02/el-cne-organiza-unas-presidenciales-chucutas/ “...Para las elecciones presidenciales de 2018, el árbitro electoral eliminó del cronograma actividades relacionadas al catastro, simulacro, uso de la tinta indeleble, observación nacional y acompañamiento internacional e, incluso, dejó por fuera las postulaciones de grupos de electores e iniciativa propia...” In English: “...For the 2018 presidential elections, the electoral council eliminated from the schedule activities related to the cadastre, simulation, use of indelible ink, national observation and international accompaniment and, even, they excluded the postulations of a group people...” Also, for this and other reasons more than 50 countries were unable to recognize the Presidential elections of 2018, rejecting the results and referring to Maduro as Dictator after going forward with the process and finally the CNE declaring him as winner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election So, there is no mention of Zamora or the full list of independent candidates by the National Electoral Council like the official press release of 2012. However, in this link published at Zamora’s website you can find the official document stamped and signed by the CNE validating that he also ran for President in 2018. http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/CNE_2.jpg Johnjmuller (talk) 04:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC) @C.Fred: Now, it’s up to you to consider that it was a rigged election and the limited available information (although we are lucky to have the official document signed by the National Electoral Council validating that he ran for President in 2018). You can include inside the article that he ran two times for President or, Just one, (although the true fact is that he ran for President two times) So, we can finally go to next item #2 Thank you! Johnjmuller (talk) 04:32, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Done Added sentence about presidential runs. —C.Fred (talk) 19:32, 1 May 2021 (UTC) Call him politician in intro?editI drew the comparison to Kanye West about being called a politician in the intro. West is called one, but there's a long section about his political activities. With one sentence about Zamora's nominations/runs for president, should he be called a politician in the intro sentence? —C.Fred (talk) 19:32, 1 May 2021 (UTC) @C.Fred: Of course - it’s obvious. 1000%. He must be called Politician in the intro too. No need to ask. This simple fact turns him into a politician too. He ran for President of a country. It’s not just any political position. It’s the highest political rank available. Same thing like a GRAMMY Award or nomination - it’s considered the highest recognition of music - something very relevant - you can’t make music and being nominated for a GRAMMY without being called Musician... So, you can’t run for President of a country without being called Politician too. Johnjmuller (talk) 20:27, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
And, The political activity is already here. He was a presidential candidate two times. No rocket science. Johnjmuller (talk) 21:06, 1 May 2021 (UTC) By the way, Pianist, composer and writer must be also added to the intro since these are his best known talents too. Johnjmuller (talk) 21:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC) Waiting for @C.Fred: to take a decision about these minor edits to start with item #2 p.s, No worries about the size of this huge list. The next 26 items would be re-added faster (probably in groups of 2 or 3) since there are independent and very solid references easier to verify. Johnjmuller (talk) 01:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Ok, There are my 2 cents: Don’t drown in a water cup. As I said, No rocket science. It’s as clear as water. So, I will make it easier for you to take a decision. After that you read this short definition you will add quickly the word “Politician” to the article. Trust in me. Now, Here is a definition of “Politician” from Wikipedia: “...A politician is a person active in party politics, or a person holding or seeking an elected seat in government...” “...Broadly speaking, a "politician" can be anyone who seeks to achieve political power in any bureaucratic institution...” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician Here is another definition from dictionary.com Politician: “...a seeker or holder of public office...” https://www.dictionary.com/browse/politician And from the Oxford dictionary: “...a person who is involved in politics, especially as a holder of or a candidate for an elected office...” So, as you can see, -and to simple view- the term “Politician” is backed and full supported by legal definition to be included inside the article. —- Note: I think that we need to consider who is leaning against something next time since that it is being very constant and repeated from the same person who wiped out these 27 items, objecting every little thing, even these minor edits. Johnjmuller (talk) 03:25, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
I’ve already explained why hot water is hot... and cold water cold... And also why I am sure that 1 + 1 = 2 Johnjmuller (talk) 04:13, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
The definition from many prestigious dictionaries, even the definition @Wikipedia clearly states that “Broadly speaking, a "politician" can be anyone who seeks to achieve political power in any government” So, we can’t end accepting this fact only “for the sake of this discussion”. 1 + 1 = 2 And, Fortunately, at the end of the road you gave me the reason and accepted the inclusion of the word. @C.Fred: As you can see, the leaning against it by @Bonadea: was changed to approve the word “Politician” inside the article. However, when I referred to include the word politician in the intro I don’t wanted to mean at the top / start of the intro since of course he is mostly notable for music / and his multiple Grammy nominations. The word “Politician” can be added as it was originally in the article listing all his talents inside the frame right below his picture and at the middle or end of the intro. Finally, the current term “Musician” at the start / top intro sounds very general - and he is mostly notable for being “Pianist” and “Composer” - even his Wikipedia URL contains the word “Pianist”. Johnjmuller (talk) 18:51, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Ok, Im going forward with next item. (I will skip item #2 while looking for more independent references) Item #3 - Virtuosoedit3. A virtuoso “maestro” and prolific composer who has received multiple international recognitions from prestigious awards, public figures and personalities around the world. @C.Fred: For inclusion again / written in different style to comply with Wikipedia guidelines: “Zamora has been described as a prolific and virtuoso pianist” The review was made by Jason Birchmeier (Allmusic.com) Link of reference: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/zamora-mn0002451836/ Johnjmuller (talk) 20:03, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Item #4 - Writer (already restored)editI have checked and it has been already restored. “Writer” is listed at the right frame below his picture So, I’m moving forward with next item Johnjmuller (talk) 01:31, 3 May 2021 (UTC) Item #5 (Los Angeles - Venezuela) and Item #6 (Politician)editItem #5 - (He lives in Los Angeles and Venezuela) - Already listed / differently. Item #6 (Politician) - Already discussed Moving forward to next item Johnjmuller (talk) 01:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC) Item #7 - GRAMMY Awards / Red Carpet arrival in a DeLoran /w King outfiteditZamora’s arrival to the red carpet of The GRAMMYs in a DeLorean dressed as King Picture already published Moving forward with item #8 Johnjmuller (talk) 02:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC) Item #8 - 53rd GRAMMY / Nominated with Kitaroedit8. Zamora was nominated @The GRAMMYs (2010) in the same category along with legendary artist “Kitaro” and this important and relevant fact was removed too. Link of reference: List of GRAMMY Nominees - New Age category (2010) http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/53_GRAMMY.pdf @C.Fred: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION - to include again item #8 and #9 inside the article - Thank you
Item #9 - 54th GRAMMY / Nominated with Pat Methenyedit9. Zamora also was nominated @The GRAMMYs (2011) in the same category along with legendary artist “Pat Metheny” and this important and relevant fact was removed too. List of GRAMMY Nominees - New Age category (2011) Link of reference: http://alejandrozamora.com/www_eng/bio/full_bio/54_GRAMMY.pdf @C.Fred: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION - to include again item #8 and #9 inside the article - Thank you Johnjmuller (talk) 03:05, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Johnjmuller (talk) 14:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Item #10 - 54th GRAMMY / Nominated with Dudamel - LA Phil Conductoredit10. Zamora was also nominated to the GRAMMY® Awards the same year along with the famous Venezuelan conductor of Los Angeles Philharmonic "Gustavo Dudamel" representing his native country Link of reference: Johnjmuller (talk) 02:39, 3 May 2021 (UTC) @C.Fred: FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION - to include this new item #9 inside the article - Thank you Johnjmuller (talk) 03:06, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
@Johnjmuller: If it were relevant, we would be able to verify it with something other than a quotation from a related party. —C.Fred (talk) 21:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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"Ran twice for president"
editLooking at this again (it came up on my watchlist), all I see is that he registered as a candidate, there's no indication of any sort of campaign, and reports of the election results don't record him as having been a candidate. I'm not sure that there's anything here that needs to be mentioned. At best, all the sources say is that he registered. I'm not sure this belongs in the article. Brunton (talk) 18:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)