Talk:Vjosa

Erroneous information

No ancient author described the Aoos as a traditional boundary between Epirus and Illyria, it is a modern conjecture based on attested ancient tribal territories approximately located by modern scholars. Ancient authors clarified only that areas of Epirote tribes bordered areas of Illyrian tribes. Selecting a quote from an outdated source is not appropriate, Wilkes 1992 is contradicted by Hammond & Wilkes 2012, p. 726: "Illyrii, a large group of related *Indo-European tribes, who occupied in classical times the western side of the Balkan range from the head of the *Adriatic Sea to the hinterland of the gulf of Valona and extended northwards as far as the eastern *Alps and the Danube (see DANUVIUS) and eastwards into some districts beyond the Balkan range. The name was properly that of a small people between Scodra and the Mati river, and it was applied by the Greeks and later by the Romans to the other tribes with which they had regular contact. Thus Illyris meant to the Greeks the southern part of the area, that neighbouring *Mace-donia, *Epirus, and the Greek cities on the Adriatic coast and islands, and *Illyricum meant to the Romans the whole area from the eastern Alps to the gulf of Valona." Furthermore, Wilkes 1992's statement has also been misused with original research as he states that Appian describes for Illyrian territories a southern boundary with Chaonia and Thesprotia, where ancient Epirus began south of the river Aous. The Aoos could have defined a boundary only up to Tepelenë (as clarified by Bowden 2003), the lower valley of the river, both the areas to the right and the left, north of the Ceraunian Mountains, were part of Illyrian territory, as clarified by several recent reliable sources and this article's content (obviously, since those areas are part of the Adriatic coast). Concerning the edit: "Archaic period info moved before classical era", it was not an improvement because the paragraph starts with a general description of the ancient regions where the Aoos flowed, and then provides information about specific local tribal areas and thereafter settlements, with Apollonia mentioned in its relevant historical context. – Βατο (talk) 09:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)