Talk:Timothy McVeigh

White suprematist and far-right views

TM’s racist and far-right beliefs are touched upon in the lede of the Oklahoma city bombing, yet they are absent from the lead of this article. Seeing as how it has been decided that TM was in part motivated by these beliefs, they perhaps should be mentioned in the lede of this article as well. Thoughts?SinoDevonian (talk) 00:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with calling McVeigh far-right (and I absolutely condemn his murders), but it's not clear to me there was any racial motive or animus for what he did (mostly white people were killed in the bombing). Merely possessing the Turner diaries doesn't mean he held any of the racist beliefs espoused in the book. I have books on my shelves about WWII, that doesn't make me a supporter of Nazi ideology. 57.135.233.22 (talk) 09:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Yeah but you don't have books on your shelves that describe your terrorist attack in surprisingly similar details. I assume you're not selling books with Nazi ideologies at gun shows and giving them to friends either right? You don't have photocopies of specific passages from this book highlighted when you're arrested for crimes either I'm guessing.

This info all comes from the citation used in the Turner Diaries wiki entry when connected to McVeigh. Specifically it is found on page 3 of the article and is actually being said by the defense (McVeigh's side).

I think it's fair enough just from that to label his as far-right. I wouldn't exactly say being inspired by a book written by neonazis to be a normal thing.

[1]https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,986240-3,00.html 128.193.154.110 (talk) 19:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

He commited the attack for libertarian reasons. Everything else is white noise. CalfRaiser150 (talk) 11:33, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

It's really amazing that people who share McVeighs far right ideology today have been able to scrub his ideology and motive from this "encyclopedia". 24.128.188.103 (talk) 16:49, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Christian terrorist

I changed the type of terrorist in the lede from domestic to Christian, and added a reliable source supporting the assertion that the OKC bombing was an act of Christian terrorism due to the perpetrators' ties (possibly indirect and circumstantial, granted, but ties nonetheless) to Christian Identity. Those changes were reverted and I disagree with that decision. Groupthink (talk) 02:37, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Given this is a topic that is spanning several talk pages[2][3][4] it might make sense to raise this at NPOVN where we could discuss this in one place. Otherwise I'm sure we will end up repeating our selves. Springee (talk) 11:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

You need to show the connection as relgious, not political, motivation. As noted elsewhere (and duly noting Springee's comment), there is no specific religious tie to CI. The only tie to it is coordination with one CI group based on political, not religious, motivations. And there is no reliable source that I have seen that ever drew such a conclusion. It's purely WP:SYNTH. ButlerBlog (talk) 13:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I looked up the author, Ackerman, and searched about for corroborating details. The "link" to CI is weak, and fringe. The only other claims that McVeigh and his actions were religious terrorism come from unreliable sources. We don't put fringe theories into the encyclopedia, and we particularly don't 'rebrand' someone as a religious extremist when their actions were (per reliable sources) politically driven (even if there are religious undertones). Fails NPOV. Meets WP:FRINGE. There's also a sense of WP:RGW when a drive to relabel several other articles is taking place at the same time. Vastly better sources (emphasis on plural) are required to completely restate the motives of these people. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 20:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

description

may we please add in addition to 'is a domestic terrorist', is a 'white supremacist' or a 'neo-Nazi', b/c McVeigh was a 'white supremacist'. Monkeylady999 (talk) 22:14, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

He is primarily notable for being a domestic terrorist, and his motivation for his actions was anti-government extremism. The lede is a summary of the article. His white supremacist and neo-Nazi tendencies are noted in the body, but they are secondary to the actions he is notable for. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 22:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

k, thanx for clearing that up. Monkeylady999 (talk) 01:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2024

In the intro, change "the deadliest domestic act of terror" to "one of the deadliest".

In truth, the bombing was not even the deadliest act of terror in the history of Oklahoma. The Oklahoma Race Riots killed more people. 184.145.139.223 (talk) 10:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: the cited source describes it as such and so does the FBI. M.Bitton (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)