Talk:Pierre David (mayor)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 22:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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[[File:|140px|Bust of Pierre David ]]

Bust of Pierre David

• ... that the heart of Pierre David (bust pictured) was found in a Belgian fountain in August 2020? "Officials in the city of Verviers, east of Liège, said on Tuesday that the heart of the city’s first mayor, Pierre David, was found during renovation works of an eponymous fountain in the city centre. The discovery on 20 August confirms a years-long urban legend passed down across generations according to which, upon his death, David’s heart was placed inside a fountain built and named after him." from: "Belgian mayor's heart dug out of fountain during renovation works". The Brussels Times. 1 September 2020. Retrieved 3 September 2020.
  • ALT1:... that Pierre David (bust pictured), mayor of Verviers, died from a fall while unjamming his hayloft door? "Un accident mit fin brutalement à la vie de cet homme de bien : sa résidence comprenait un fenil ; le matin du 30 juin 1839, Pierre David s'y rendit afin d'ouvrir une porte pour aérer le foin ... la pluie en avait gonflé le bois si bien que, sous la poussée du maïeur, porte et gonds se détachèrent vers l'extérieur entraînant le malheureux dans cette chute ; sa tête fut broyée et la mort instantanée." which I translate as: "An accident brought the life of this good man to a brutal end: his residence included a hayloft; on the morning of June 30, 1839, Pierre David went there to open a door to air out the hay; ... the rain had swelled the wood so much that, under the pressure of the mayor, the door and the hinges were detached towards the outside, dragging the unfortunate man into this fall; his head was crushed and death was instantaneous." from: page 160 of:Léon, Paul (1979). Biographie Nationale (PDF) (Volume 41 Supplement 13 ed.). Brussels: Académie royale des sciences, des lettres et des beaux-arts de Belgique.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nan Wood Graham

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 18:12, 3 September 2020 (UTC).

• Article is new enough and long enough per criteria. Generally well-sourced and neutrally written, no incidences of copyvio. The original hook seems a lot more interesting and clearly sourced, though ALT1 works too with less "interesting"ness to it. Regardless, good to go. Juxlos (talk) 03:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kavyansh.Singh (talk · contribs) 09:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Nominator: Dumelow (talk · contribs) at 18:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi @Dumelow – Thanks for creating and nominating this article. It is a relatively short one, but doesn't seem to miss anything major. The article seems well written and well cited. Feel free to let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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• I was pinged so I'm gonna weigh in on the image. Looks sketchy to me because it's a 3-d sculpture, there should be separate license tags for both the photograph and underlying bust. In this case there aren't, and there's also no link or source that it's a 19th century work. (If we knew for sure it was a 19th century work, then PD-old-assumed would apply as it's more than 120 years from creation.) (t · c) buidhe 11:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
  • @Dumelow – I have to agree with Buidhe, and I'll put this nomination on hold until the image issue is resolved. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:40, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Buidhe and Kavyansh.Singh. I have absolutely no idea where the image is from, it was already on Commons. I see its been placed up for deletion at Commons, so we'll see if the uploader can provide any assistance there. There's a bust of David on his fountain by Clément Vivroux (d. 1896) so presumably that is now PD? Alas no close-up. Otherwise the only option would be a fair use image of a painting of him in the Verviers museum, but I suspect that wouldn't fly if the fountain bust was PD. As it stands, assuming the bust image is deleted, I think we have to leave the article imageless? - Dumelow (talk) 16:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, the article being imageless is not a issue for it to be GA. Still, lets see if anything else can be done. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dumelow – I guess the easiest option for now is to simply remove the image from the article. Apart that, the article seems to meet the GA criteria. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kavyansh.Singh, I've removed it - Dumelow (talk) 17:40, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• ".. who was mayor of Verviers under French rule from 1800 to 1808 and, after Belgian independence, from 1830 until his death." → ".. who was the mayor of Verviers under the French rule from 1800 to 1808; and after Belgian independence, from 1830 until his death."

Done - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Link Francophile

Done - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• ".. was incorporated into the United Netherlands David secured a ..." – comma after United Netherlands

Done - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• "During the 1830 Belgian Revolution David supported independence for Belgium as a republic and when this proved unachievable voted for union with France." → "During the 1830 Belgian Revolution, David supported the independence for Belgium as a republic, but when this proved unachievable, he instead voted for union with France."

Agreed, much better. Done - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• "Decrees from Napoleon, following the establishment of the First French Empire, threatened the freedom David had enjoyed as mayor and on 21 September 1808 he resigned the position." – Possibly, split it into two sentences.

Agreed and done - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• "After the Congress of Vienna Verviers and the rest of Belgium were absorbed into the Kingdom of the Netherlands." – Maybe this is an incomplete sentence.

I've had a go at rewording this - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• "In 1830 the Belgian Revolution against Dutch rule began and David, a supporter of the Belgian cause, sat on the Commission of Public Safety." → "In 1830, the Belgian began a revolution against the Dutch rule. David, a supporter of the Belgian cause, sat on the Commission of Public Safety." Also, can we have a better word than "sat".

Changed as suggested. Went with "member of" - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• Add a link to Tilia

Done - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• "hitting his head and dying instantly" – This implies that the hinges died instantly. Rephrase it.

DOne - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• "After his death all three" – comma after "death"

Done - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• "Prior to his burial surgeons had" – comma after burial

Done - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

• "David's brother named his son Pierre in his honour and his son was also named after him, ..." – needs grammatical fix for clarity.

I've had a go! - Dumelow (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dumelow – Rest all seems fine. Fix these issues and we are good to go. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:55, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your review Kavyansh.Singh, much appreciated. I've tried to address your comments above - Dumelow (talk) 10:03, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dumelow – Overall, the changes look good! Who is the author of File:DAVID Pierre (1771-1839).jpg? The copyright would most probably depend on author's lifespan. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

If the author of File:DAVID Pierre (1771-1839).jpg is unknown, probably the copyright tag needs to be replaced. We can't claim that the author died 100 years ago when we don't know the author is. However, this is a minor issue, and the image would most probably be fine to use. Still, I'll ask someone more experienced in image licencing (like Buidhe). – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

This article is a relatively short one, but doesn't seem to miss anything major. The only issue with it was the image, but as it has been removed by the nominator, the article meets the criteria. The sources were in French (maybe), but I translated them online to verify, which mostly seem fine. I'm listing this article as a GA. Congratulations! I'm currently trying to review the articles listed in the Politics and government section to reduce the backlog of that section, but would appreciate if anyone interested could help. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should we categorize him as French

Should we categorize him as French?John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)