Talk:National identity card (Sweden)

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Currency conversion

Is it really a good idea to list the cost in EUR as well as SEK? The set price is 400 SEK and the conversion rate between SEK and EUR is not set, it fluctuates. Today, it's closer to 45 or 46 EUR.Limbero (talk) 13:22, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

No. BushelCandle (talk) 20:45, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Validity outside of the Schengen area

Not true: "The card can be used for traveling to and staying in countries that have implemented the Schengen Agreement without the need for a passport, but not to EU countries outside the Schengen area" -This is simply not true! Reference 1 is not accurate. Check the legal text in Reference 2 which does not limit the card to the Schengen Area. The quote is totally misleading and should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.100.204.193 (talk) 03:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, like I've written, Swedish passport control idiotically does prevent you from leaving Schengen directly. So what though? You can just make a stopover in another Schengen country. Also, starting in July this year, the card can be used to leave directly for non-Schengen EU countries as well (but not to countries outside both EU and Schengen that accept them unfortunately: that is the former Yugoslav countries except Croatia, plus Moldova) André Devecserii (talk) 11:09, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

You're correct, as usual, André. BushelCandle (talk) 20:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Some people call it idiotic to disallow leaving Sweden heading outside EU with national id card. But it has advatages. I read about people from France and Germany who could travel to Syria to take part in the war using their card even if their passport was cancelled. They could travel to Turkey and illegaly pass the fairly lawless Turkish-Syrian border.--BIL (talk) 13:23, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

It is not certain you are allowed as a Swede to travel with id card only e.g. from Sweden to Serbia, even if changing plane in e.g. Germany, since checkin is done at the start airport, and they might have objections.--BIL (talk) 13:23, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

They don't. You can even check in on a direct flight to, say, Belgrade, and you will not be stopped until immigration. Happened to me and my grandmother once when flying from Skavsta to Skopje (nonstop with Wizz Air): I forgot my passport and she didn't have one, but check-in was completely painless. Only at immigration were we stopped, but I kept repeating to the official that Macedonia accepts our IDs "whether you like it or not", and that we were going to get on that flight. After 20 minutes (?) he let us through simply because he couldn't bear with me any longer (no joke!)

I've also flown from Arlanda to Podgorica via Oslo, and to Tbilisi via Riga. No issues at check-in whatsoever. And mind you, this was back when you couldn't clear outbound immigration without a passport at all André Devecserii (talk) 11:03, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

My point is, BIL (and I've written this to Justitieministeriet as well): this restriction comes with no advantages. None whatsoever, because a Jihadi headed for Turkey need only go to a neighbouring country and fly from there, provided their ID is accepted - western IDs are whereas Nordic/Eastern ones aren't at least de jure (I once successfully entered with mine by bus from Bulgaria) André Devecserii (talk) 00:21, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I do think that this recent edit of yours, André, resulted in less tortured language on the page. Equally, I also sympathise with BIL's attempts to include what he understand to be the formal legal position of the Swedish authorities. After all, I assume that the Swedish border guards are duty bound to run on to the tarmac at any Swedish aerodrome and try to thwart any private pilot intending to fly directly from Karlstad to Vágar Airport without a passport? Doesn't the Nordic Passport Union travel area come into play there? Equally, I assume they would be failing in their duty not to board and deliver stern words of warning to call in at Copenhagen first to any yachtsman telling them of his plans to sail directly from Göteborg to Monaco with just a Swedish National Identity Card?

Is this just a law that applies to Swedish nationals - or are EU citizens that are non-Swedes legally bound by Swedish law not to exercise their Euro-rights? BushelCandle (talk) 03:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

It's only for us: other EU/EFTA nationals can fly non-stop Sweden-*insert non-EU/EFTA state* with their IDs with no issues whatsoever (provided the airline accepts it of course, which in turn depends on what Timatic states). This is explicitly stipulated in the law: the passlag states that a Swedish citizen may only use his/her ID for travel to an EU/Schengen (analogous with EU/EFTA) state (it says "states with no border control according to the Schengen acquis"), whereas the utlänningsförordning (which, as the name states, doesn't apply to Swedes) states EEA/Swiss ID cards are valid for entry and exit, period.

It is bloody ridiculous, with our minister of Interior Anders Ygeman being the person perhaps foremostly responsible for this. And of course, he cannot even be reached by mail (I've desperately tried), only his utterly worthless "secretary" can.

The Nordic Passport Union (which does not include Svalbard) is not mentioned in the passlag, although it does mean: 1. Nordics can stay in the relevamt countries (including the Faroes and Greenland) permanently; 2. ordinary identification, such as bank ID cards or driving licences is accepted for intra-union travel. Worth to note is that ordinary identification is usually accepted for all intra-Schengen travel except with low-cost carriers - in fact, unless you check in luggage, you may not have to show anything at all. So the difference is small in actual practice.

All of this said, if there were direct flights Sweden-Vágar, National IDs could almost certainly be used, if anything because you don't clear immigration whereby Atlantic Airways have the final say. Same with Air Greenland and Air Iceland for Greenland. Heck, non-Nordic citizens aren't supposed to be able to use their IDs for Greenland, but both airlines serving it accept all EU/EFTA IDs.

Furthermore, the Swedish police really goes out of its way to deceive people: they don't say "you cannot travel directly to a non-EU/Schengen country", but simply "you cannot travel to a non-EU/Schengen country". When they started allowing people flying to non-Schengen countries such as the UK, they literally had the guts to basically say "henceforth you can at last use your IDs across the EU". Yeah, because you totally couldn't earlier (by changing flights) *sarcasm*

When me and my grandmother came home from Skopje and had no passports at Skavsta, the police woman looked at us like an absolute retard. Basically "then how the *** did you get to your destination?". She was so mind-blown that she, amidst her stupidity and confusion, almost denied us entry, to our own country (!!!) André Devecserii (talk) 06:35, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

And Swedes just meekly accept this Nanny-knows-best legislation without any rumblings of discontent (present company excepted) ? This seems even worse than Singapore - and we have a reputation of being a herd of docile sheep only concerned about our bank balances! BushelCandle (talk) 07:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

What I thought about when writing that "It is not certain you are allowed as a Swede to travel with id card only e.g. from Sweden to Serbia, even if changing plane", is that I was stopped at checkin in Sweden heading for Canary Islands, showing id card only. It is within Schengen. They claimed that the charter airlines have not allowed national id. Little like Ryanair in Ireland, which doesn't allow driver's license even if it's legal, customer friendly and no cost for the airline to allow it. In lack of clear rules, airlines guess rules.--BIL (talk) 08:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

BushelCandle: why would they care? 95+% of Swedes don't have national ID cards anyway, but use what we call leg (usually a driving licence or bank ID card) domestically and passports internationally.

BIL Weird, I've never experienced this. Regular airlines normally go by Timatic - that's what it's there for. The only notable "negative exception" I've found is Virgin Atlantic, which requires a passport even if the destination accept ID cards (they fly from London to St Lucia, where French ID cards are accepted) André Devecserii (talk) 09:19, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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