Talk:Mech-X4

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Shouldn't the title be "MECH-X4"? That's how it is credited on the Disney XD site. http://disneyxd.disney.com/mech-x4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.130.38 (talk) 08:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

No. I can't seem to find the exact guideline on this, but WP:TITLETM is close: "Items in full or partial uppercase (such as Invader ZIM) should have standard capitalization (Invader Zim)..." --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:30, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Cast/Cast and characters format vs. Characters format

Rtkat3 recently made a WP:BOLD edit to add character descriptions, something that's been needed, and also changed the format from "Cast and characters" to "Characters." I did not have any problems with that edit and left it alone; however, IJBall did and reverted.

According to WP:TVCAST, both the "Cast/Cast and characters" and "Characters" formats are perfectly valid to use; while there is no prose on which one to use when, logically, one format is best suited for one thing and the other format is best suited for another thing.

When there are no character descriptions, the "Cast/Cast and characters" format is the best choice:

Nathaniel Potvin as Ryan Walker

However, when you add character descriptions, you get: Nathaniel Potvin as Ryan Walker, a technopath who serves as the pilot for Mech-X4. In that case, it makes much more sense to change the format to a "Characters" format as the following sounds much better and has a better sentence flow:

Ryan Walker (Nathaniel Potvin) is a technopath who serves as the pilot for Mech-X4.

Likewise, a "Characters" format doesn't work as well if there are no character descriptions, as you get the following, which doesn't read as good: Ryan Walker (Nathaniel Potvin)

In short, "Cast/Cast and characters" works best when there are no character descriptions and "Characters" works best when there are character descriptions. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:04, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Either one can and probably should have a short description of the character, only difference is whether the character or portrayer is listed first in the entry. I have no preference but I would like to see the descriptions. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:13, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

As I've made clear before, I am not a "fan" of 'Characters' format – IMO, TV show cast lists should only use 'Characters' format in one of two cases: 1) when the characters are very well-known in their own right (generally, this probably only applies to the "superhero" TV shows...), or 2) animated TV series (for these it generally makes sense to do 'Characters' format). Aside from these two cases, cast lists should either be in 'Cast' or 'Cast and characters' format. For this article, then, I would advise a 'Cast and characters' format – something like:

• Nathaniel Potvin as Ryan Walker, a technopath who serves as the pilot for Mech-X4   (Note: No "." at the end, as this isn't a "full" sentence.)

It can either be a "," or a ":" (e.g. ...Ryan Walker: a technopath), after the character name – that I really don't care about. But, in this case I'll flat out oppose a switch to 'Characters' format, as it's not necessary or advantagegous for this type of TV show. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:48, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

I support IJBall's suggestion of "Actor as character, character description". the opening title cards list by the actor's names as consistent with many live-action shows. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:09, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

If "Cast/Cast and characters," then a comma looks the least bad: Nathaniel Potvin as Ryan Walker, a technopath who serves as the pilot for Mech-X4. Another option would be Nathaniel Potvin as Ryan Walker. Ryan Walker is a technopath who serves as the pilot for Mech-X4. However, I tried that approach at I Am Frankie and Nyu thought it was too wordy. I guess I'm just not that picky and don't personally understand why you hate the "Characters" format so much. However, if "Cast/Cast and characters" is the outcome here, then the other live-action series articles that are using the "Characters" format should probably follow suit. If I recall, I changed them all. Also: 1) when the characters are very well-known in their own right (generally, this probably only applies to the "superhero" TV shows...) Like The Thundermans and Henry Danger? Although I don't know why being a superhero series changes anything. Although those series aren't a problem since they have dedicated character list articles. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:23, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

No – I mean, like, Bruce Wayne on Gotham or Oliver Queen on Arrow – those characters were well-known in their own right long before the current TV shows ever aired. In those cases, a 'Characters'-format section probably makes sense (though, ironically, most of the articles for these kinds of TV shows actually have a 'Cast and characters'-formatted section...). For most TV shows, The Thundermans and Henry Danger included, most readers care about the actors first, and the characters they portray second. I mean, here's an example – when people go to the Zoey 101, do they care about a character named "Lola", or do they want to know if Victoria Justice was on it?!... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:22, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

...most readers character about the actors first... do they character about a character named "Lola..." IJBall, be honest. Are you drunk? Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

P.S. I fixed that! (But, yeah – my typos have been getting worse lately – I blame old age... ) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

One other thing – I would not change other TV show articles that have 'Character'-format listings to 'Cast and character'-format listings, at least not without a Talk page discussion first. What's done is done – if they were originally created with a 'Characters' listing, and it's been stable like that for a while, I would just leave them as they are. (There is no such thing as "consistency" across Wikipedia articles, and it's not worth the effort to even try for that!) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:35, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

If I may get a word in, I'd like to let you know that this show's page used to have a character section which I had tried to restore due to lack on their descriptions including my description for Traeger. In other words, I had planned to add more info to it like I did with Davage and Mastermind. I had originally planned to list some of the named monsters like the Clawboon that Kim Grey can now change at will into, but changed my mind just in case it wasn't allowed. If the section is to be renamed, perhaps it can be listed as a character section like some other shows that are on this website. Did I leave anything out? --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:36, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

You're right – it was until about May of last year. But it's been pretty stable in the 'Cast and characters'-format for about a year now, and as this thread shows, there does seem to be some preference for keeping it that way. On my end, I've explained above why I don't think a 'Characters'-format listing is right for this article... But a 'Cast and characters' heading means that short character descriptions (after the actor's name) is A-OK, so the short descriptions can be added back (as outlined above...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

So we can re-add the short descriptions at some point including the one for Traeger. --Rtkat3 (talk) 16:01, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Rtkat3: I would say, yes – this discussion demonstrates clear consensus to include the short character descriptions. Just don't change from the current 'Cast' (actor-first) format to 'Characters' format when you add the character synopses. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:08, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Season two and/or series finale?

Disney XD's verified Twitter tweeted this earlier. However, it's not clear whether they're referring to the season two finale, series finale, both, or neither, and I'm not sure if this tweet can be included. This is even more confusing than when Brec Bassinger tweeted about the Bella and the Bulldogs finale, as discussed here: Talk:Bella and the Bulldogs#Potential series finale. I'm probably also going to need more attention on the episode list as IPs are ignoring the notes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:34, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Will there be a season 3 of Mech x4? Basketballplayersplay (talk) 01:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Likely not. But because Disney never officially (or clearly) announced that the show has ended, we have to leave it as "present" until one year has passed since the last new episode aired. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:26, 16 March 2019 (UTC)