Talk:Eurasian chaffinch

re: readding endemic

Endemic is very redundant. The previous sentence states that the brid is common to a wide area and coexists with the Blue. Endemic means "common to the area" so the word endemic is completely superfluous in this context. B. The average reader of this encyclopedia has no idea what endemic means. It may be useful for us to teach them the meaning through the link, but in this case it is simply gratuitous.

I would have replaced endemic with a synonym (common or native) but it looked obviously redundant. "Blue Chaffinch, which is native throughout the Canary Islands" seemed redundant as well, Since the it is already summarised nicely in the preceeding bit. --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 09:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

The point of endemic is that the Blue Chaffinch only occurs on those two islands. Native is not the same. common Chaffinch is native (ie not introduced) to the Canaries, but not endemic. To just leave out endemic dilutes the meaning.

I try to avoid unnecessarily technical language, but endemic is genuinely useful, and not that obscure. It has been used in many bird articles, especially for areas like Hawaii and New Zealand which have many endemic species, living or extinct. jimfbleak 10:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok, you are the expert. I am getting too hung up on this grammar stuff anyway. If there is really no simpler way to get across the exact meaning I have no problem. Regards, --Darkfred ^{Talk to me} 11:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

My, those Belgians know how to have fun! jimfbleak 15:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Bachelor

Is the reason for Linnaeus calling it coelebs due to late staying of males or early arrival? Theory suggests it should be the latter. Shyamal (talk) 04:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Late staying, I'll add this soon. innotata (Talk | Contribs) 19:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

identification

To say that identification of the female is "obvious" is highly subjective, and in that sense doesn't belong here. To an untrained eye, a female chaffinch is not altogether unlike a female house sparrow. 84.44.152.142 (talk) 08:20, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Additional subspecies

IOC World Bird List version 5.2 includes a new subspecies: F. c. harterti Svensson, 2015, NE Libya

• Svensson, Lars (2015). "A new North African subspecies of Common Chaffinch Fringilla coelebs". Bulletin of the British Ornithologists' Club. 135 (1): 69–76.