Talk:Darkseid

Image edit warring

OK, Reggie Herman, Teridax122, you guys really need to cool your jets. You are both in violation of the three revert rule and are clearly engaged in an edit war. You're lucky neither of you have been blocked. I can't even really tell what you are arguing about, but I have to concur that Reggie Herman's image should be the preferred one as Teridax122's is much larger than a standard infobox size. As to the provenance of the image, if you look at the issue in question on GCD, the penciller and colorist are who Reggie Herman says they are, and I will assume good faith that RH is telling the truth. You both ought to familiarize yourself with the WP:3RR and WP:EW guidelines so that you can avoid being blocked in the future. When you have a content dispute, take it to the talk page first. That said, if this keeps going on after my post, I will report one or both of you for edit warring. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 17:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

The edit-warring by both editors is entirely unacceptable and would almost definitely result in a block for both should it be reported at WP:AN3. I have left warnings on the talk pages of both editors. Both need to stop reverting each other, discuss the matter here and gain consensus. For now, I have reverted to the original image per WP:STATUSQUO while discussion is underway, during which time nobody should change the image. Any such editing will result in an immediate WP:AN3 report. ---AussieLegend (✉) 19:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry for my behavior in going back and forth, in the future I'll try and do better and follow the 3RR rule to avoid any other edit war. Now I'll ask if the size of image is really a deep issue, because it's size can easily be altered with a new version. Also, that link you shared is my image not RH's. --Teridax122 (talk) 22:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't follow. Based on what I saw in the reverts, your image was the one from Final Crisis, and Reggie Herman's was from the Justice League comic. Am I understanding this incorrectly? For context, I am referring to the image in the infobox that keeps getting changed. After looking through the reverts I'm still not sure what your dispute is over besides not agreeing on which image should be in the infobox, per this diff. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 22:25, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I can't find any source that does confirms the author's of RH's image, not even as a variant cover. The link you offered that was supposed to conform RH's image is instead of another image that I uploaded for the "New 52" section of the page.--Teridax122 (talk) 22:34, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

I was referring to the art for the issue as a whole, not necessarily the cover. However, after looking in the issue myself, I also could not find this particular image. That does not excuse the edit warring but I now see where you are coming from. I would still, however, recommend a better infobox image. There are a couple in the Justice League 23.1 that I think would work, as I still think that the current image is of poor quality. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 23:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

My apologies, I was simply going forward on getting my image that is much clearer with high-res. Reggie Herman (talk) 00:04, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

@Etzedek24 Could you define "poor quality" for me, the image is clear, the character is obvious and center, and is also a mix of classic Darkseid and his more modern design (like the Omega symbol).--Teridax122 (talk) 00:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Please see the stipulations for Wikiproject Comics manual of style when it comes to infobox images, particularly:

• The ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background, with a facing-the-camera or profile picture as the next-best.
  
• Colouring should be neutral - pictures which have a heavy colour cast, or otherwise depict the character with false colours should not be uploaded unless the cast has been removed first.
• Heavily stylised art should only be considered for use when the character is closely associated with the style to the exclusion of less extreme styles.
  

With this in mind, I would argue that the image of Darkseid from Zero Hour that is on the page would be suitable. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 01:05, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

How is the current image not meeting the qualifiers you've shown? Is it the inclusion of a downed Superman? The only thing not in it's favor that I can see based on the qualifiers is that his foot is covered.--Teridax122 (talk) 01:31, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

The image has a background, is strongly-colored, and is not a standard costume. The Zero Hour picture is much better. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 01:37, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

In that case might I propose this image 1 be used instead of the Zero Hour image, and both the Zero Hour and the Final Crisis Variant be deleted?--Teridax122 (talk) 02:02, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

There's no provenance for that image and it's also cutting out part of the character. I haven't seen you advance a reason why the Zero Hour picture shouldn't be used (also, we may want to see if it's actually from Zero Hour as its caption and file name say it's from Crisis on Infinite Earths). Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 06:16, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

It's from Jack Kirby's Fourth Wold #20 by John Byrne with the cover by Walter Simonson. Only a lit bit of Darkseid's toe is missing which I can easily fix by finding the original cover. I feel that is is better than the Zero Hour image because it show off who the villain Darkseid is in a more dynamic way being from a issue cover, while the Zero Hour image is just cut from a panel of an issue. Art from a cover would be more preferable for an infobox image, as it is the first image the readers will see, and offers good artwork of the character. The Zero Hour image has not been given enough attention as to identify who the artist actually is while I can easily show that Walter Simonson is the artist of the new image I found 1. --Teridax122 (talk) 14:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I would support this proposal. I have verified through GCD that Walt Simonson did draw this cover and I have digitally altered it to remove the background. Other editors are welcome to comment on this proposal. If no objections are heard within the next few days I will update the image accordingly. Though I should also add that I went through both Zero Hour #1 and COIE #8 and could not find the above-mentioned "Zero Hour" image. I will check the rest of Zero Hour, but it was not in any COIE issue. If it is not in Zero Hour, it should be deleted. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 17:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I have also prepared an image of Simonson's Darkseid, if you would like to see it 1. If your image is already to go then never mind, it's just I had already prepared this as the discussion progressed, but nothing for me to worry about.--Teridax122 (talk) 17:37, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I have gone through Zero Hour and confirmed that the image in question above does, in fact, appear in the series, but the caption was wrong. Thus, I have updated it. However, now that I know this image is now valid, I restate my support for it for the infobox. It meets all the guidelines set in the Wikiproject Comics style manual and is already in the article. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 17:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

If I could get my two cents in this, how about this picture from DC Rebirth Wonder Woman #37. A lot of the pictures you guys have been suggesting are kinda old and doesn’t it seem better to get a picture that is modern and new. Love to get your thoughts Etzedek24 on the image. Reggie Herman (talk) 18:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Please do read the style guidelines I've linked above. There's no requirement that an image be newer. The style guidelines favor neutral poses without intense coloring, not action shots. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 18:20, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

By that argument the image in the infobox is too an action shot similarity standing over another body. With a little cropping, I think the image could be fine as it does meet the requirement. Reggie Herman (talk) 18:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, which is why I'm in favor of removing it. However, the proposed image from Wonder Woman has the same issues. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 18:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Same issues? Like what’s the artists names or is it still from the guideline where I missed something? Reggie Herman (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

From the MOS, "The ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background, with a facing-the-camera or profile picture as the next-best." Your proposed image simply has too much going on with the background, and the rays of energy emanating from the eyes and hand. For our purposes, we need a more neutral image such as the Zero Hour one in the page already or the alternative Teridax122 has proposed. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 18:43, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Just so it's made clear, thought the Zero Hour image has been properly identified as by Dan Jurgens and Jerry Ordway, its file name is still Darkseidgeogreperez, George Perez we now know has no involvement with this artwork.--Teridax122 (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

That's somewhat inconsequential. The caption has been fixed, the filename is not of as much importance and cannot be easily changed. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 20:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Is it too late to suggest this image as well? Still from Wonder Woman #37 but with a little cropping this might turnout better. Reggie Herman (talk) 21:21, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

RfC on appropriate infobox image

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Uninvolved editors reached consensus that the best infobox image for the page per WP:CMOS#BOXIMAGE is the Zero Hour profile already in the article.

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Keeping in mind the Wikiproject Comics manual of style, which infobox image would best suit the article? Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 18:47, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

1. Option 1 Zero Hour image
2. Option 2 this comic book cover
3. Option 3 Wonder Woman #37

Question rephrased for clarity by Argento Surfer. Original version can be seen here

• Procedural note: Editor Teridax122 has proposed an altered version of Darkseid from this comic book cover. I am proposing the Zero Hour image already in the article. Editor Reggie Herman has proposed an image from DC Rebirth Wonder Woman #37. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 18:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
• Option 1 is best, with Option 2 least good. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Just so you know, option 2 will look like this 1 with the background removed.--Teridax122 (talk) 22:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• Option 1 followed by Option 2 then Option 3 Cynistrategus (talk) 05:30, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
• Procedural comment: This has been open for a week now, and the editors involved in the dispute have not participated. Based on the responses to this RfC, I will update the infobox image to be Option 1, the altered Zero Hour appearance, which best satisfies the guidelines at WP:CMOS#BOXIMAGE.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Darkseid's True form

His true form powers,Nigh Omnipotence,Nigh Omniscience and ...Remember this body is clone(in the animations and some comics) Mohamadwolf (talk) 05:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Notability

Ping User:Darkknight2149 (thanks for [1] and User:TheJoebro64 and User:SL93. First, let's all make sure we know WP:AGF, right? Second, please read carefully the content of {{Notability}}. Which for your convenience I'll quote here: "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to establish notability by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted." Now, it is not saying "this topic is not notable" (this is a question for WP:AFD). This template is just pointing out the same thing that Darkknight did in his edit: that this article, in its current form, does not explain why the topic is notable. Nothing more, nothing less. For most people, no, Darkseid is not a household name (heck, I like superhero stuff, and he didn't read any bells to me then and doesn't know - yeah, so maybe I am not as geeky as I thought, but this just proves the point - for 99% of our readers, they won't know why we have the article about this fictional character). This article desperately needs a reception section and such, showing that yes, this character is notable as they meet WP:GNG/WP:NFICTION. Since we clearly have some interested editors here, please consider adding such sections. And if you don't want to, please do not remove a template that is effectively asking for it. If you care about this topic, either improve it, or let others do so, and adding copyediting templates which indicate problems to fix/issues to address is helping this article. PS. I really hope that someone can add reception, so this doesn't end up at AfD... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:56, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Piotrus I never assumed bad faith. 99% of our readers not knowing why the article exists is a huge stretch. I’m not sure if you noticed the In Other Media section. I believe that the only way this will end up at AFD is if you yourself nominate it for deletion. SL93 (talk) 15:56, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

SL93 is saying the truth here... Enjoyer of World^💬 23:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Darkseid Image

I'm changing the image from Zero Hour, to New 52 Dangled10 (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I do not support this change, as the proposed image does not satisfy the guidelines for comic book character infobox images. Not to mention it was added without discussion. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 15:48, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Why do you care? Etzedek24? That Zero Hour image was already used another article He who eats your entrails and thoroughly enjoys it (talk) 15:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

...Because we follow the manual of style in articles here? And consensus is how we reach decisions? It's not rocket science. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 16:07, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Who the heck would call themselves He who eats you're entrails and thoroughly enjoys it? I'm not trying to be mean or anything. But you have a point. That Zero Hour image was used in another article, I don't remember which. EtherealWiz (talk) 07:59, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Please don't kill my image. I took a lot of work making it. But Etzedek24 has a point. EtherealWiz too. I can take the image from this article, and put back the Zero Hour one. But, please, I had hard work uploading the image. I always have, because my fingers have complicated pains. And I don't really know everything you need to write to upload, but have been learning. Please let the image be in any article related to Darkseid, or this article. I would appreciate it. Dangled10 (talk) 09:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

The size has been reduced. Dangled10 (talk) 09:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

• I've uploaded a new Darkseid image (File:Darkseid (circa 2017).png), and I feel it illustrates of the character being a tyrant, as shown of how he stepped on a parademon. In addition, it has better composition, in my opinion.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 04:00, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I feel like it doesn't follow #4 of WP:CMOS#BOXIMAGE. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 04:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

• How about this character art by Walt Simonson, which is based on how the character originally depicted on the issues of Forever people by jack kirby File:Darkseid (circa 1998).png--NeoBatfreak (talk) 22:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I believe this was proposed in the past. It's a quality downgrade and his foot is cut off. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 23:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• • You know, the current image, even though from an issue of Zero Hour, reminds me a splash page from Superman Doomsday: Hunter Prey. I'll find that image to see if that's okay.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 06:05, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Here's one as promised, also art by Dan Jurgens and Jerry Ordway (File:Darkseid (circa 2006).png.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 23:12, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
      • This is better than the others. I don't like that his face is kind of hidden, but this could be a suitable candidate. Will solicit opinions from the project page. Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 23:21, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
  • In my opinion, this image is much sharper than the current info box. Due to Jurgen' improved skills and DC's computer rendering.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
  • This image going to be deleted after 7 days, make a choice.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 03:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
• If there are no objection, this I am replacing the infobox image.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 16:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Powers

Ok User:JokEobard, here I am. Those powers are far more known than his telepathy power. Isn’t that your argument? Only well known powers. Telepathy is something he barely does anyways. He is a skilled fighter having trained for years as well being being a brilliant tactician. Ziggy Coltrane (talk) 22:47, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

The fact is that telepathy in and of itself is a power unique to Darkseid. In the realm of comic books, hand-to-hand combat is an ability that pretty much every character possesses so it is not noteworthy enough to mention. For example, a character such as Bane has a photographic memory. Yet, because it is not something that defines the character, it is not listed in the article infobox so as to prevent it from becoming bloated.

And while, similar to Superman, Darkseid is a skilled hand-to-hand combatant, he primarily relies on his superhuman attributes in battle. It is characters like Batman who specialise in martial arts. Hence, hand-to-hand combat is listed in the article infobox of Batman but not Superman.

Moreover, Darkseid's genius-level intellect is already listed, so mentioning that he is a master tactician is redundant. JokEobard (talk) 12:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Similar to Bane, he is a genius and master tactician. It’s ok to have both. Characters who are listed genius intellect, have their area of expertise like chemistry or engineering. Having both is ok. Wonder Woman is a god, she is a skilled fighter. They’re both listed. What I’m trying to say, if it’s a notable feature, it’s ok to have. Ziggy Coltrane (talk) 22:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Darkseid's actual age

Darkseid is five billion years old in the prime earth universe during the New 52 and DC Rebirth era. Trump2000 (talk) 01:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)