Talk:Crossover music/Archive 1
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Sarah Brightman
Its ridiculous to not mention the sarah brightman's contribution to the classical crossover If you dont know, she is considered the "Queen of classical crossover" thats why she sold more albums than any other soprano how ignorant could be the people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.219.57.226 (talk) 22:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
- This is a rude assertion of a personal oppinion. If you want people to take you seriously, either get the facts and refs and write them here, or do the edit, with an in-line ref yourself
IceDragon64 (talk) 11:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think a mention of child singing sensation Jackie Evancho is worth mentioning here due to the attention she has brought to the classical crossover genre — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhults7791 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Definitions
- "...crossover success (i.e. sold well to both blacks and whites in the US)..."
- "As Breen (1991:193) observed, moving into the 1990s every genre and sub-genre of popular music shared a location on 'the totalized mpa of popular music culture, where the bridges that form the industrial crossovers from one domain of the popular music industry to the next are increasingly interconnected."
- Roy Shuker, Roy (2001). Understanding Popular Music, p.119 and 150. ISBN 0415235103.
Crossover jazz
There should be an article on "crossover jazz", as distinct from "fusion." Dogru144 00:36, 7 July 2006
more on crossover jazz
I think the reference to pop music in the 80s should be toned down as it appears to be a marketing gimmick to include the names of people's favourite bands and obtain credit for "inventing" a new trend rather than an objective assessment of the phenomenon as such. The term crossover was certainly being used in the jazz world in 1975 and I would hazard a guess it was being used to refer to Miles Davis before that and Weather Report, etc. but I have no documentation to back it up. 83.191.63.182 19:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
crossover rock
I think the bands listed here are out of sequence. For instance, DRI pre-dated both Slayer and Metallica by a good 5 years, at a time when the term "crossover" hadn't yet been widely applied to hardcore/metal blending. Slayer in particular were hugely influenced by DRI, Minor Threat, and other fast hardcore bands, and are usually cited as the classic example of a crossover band. Therefore, it's incorrect to say they are a metal band whose sound "crossover" bands combined with hardcore influences to create the crossover genre. Metallica were also heavily influenced by such punk/hardcore groups as Discharge, Motorhead, and the Misfits, although their status as a crossover band is more dubious.
Top artists and albums
I really don't like the existence of this section. I think it is just asking for promotion of one's own favorite group that could be considered crossover. Any reliable, objective basis for determining "top" or "best" would be possible to articulate in more specific, objective terms, such as album sales or whatnot. I'm thinking I will be bold and remove this section in a day or two unless someone objects. -GlamdringCookies 17:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
"Various Genre Of Music Over The Years"
So an unregistered user made a big addition that was very unencyclopedically written and I didn't read it enough to determine whether it was very relevant or not. But I felt bad removing it, because they clearly spent a lot of time writing it. So here it is: - GlamdringCookies 01:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
'How Do I Live' in Intro paragraphs
If this is to be the one big example in the opening paragraphs, the paragraph needs to explain exactly what it has crossed over from and to, bearing in mind that the intro has already stated that going from a specialist chart into a pop chart is not really crossing over. IceDragon64 (talk) 11:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Biggest crossover?
How is LeAnn Rimes the "biggest crossover"? Selena's single Dreaming of You sold over 3 million copies her albums sold over 6 million in one year. Tagging for citation. AJona1992 (talk) 23:32, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Opening sentence
I don't think it is correct to start this article with charts. Here are some of definitions for the word "crossover" applied for music:
- Popular Music.
a. the act of crossing over in style, usually with the intention of broadening the commercial appeal to a wider audience.
b. music that crosses over in style, occasionally sharing attributes with several musical styles and therefore often appealing to a broader audience.—Dictionary.com - the process or result of changing from one activity or style to another—Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus, Cambridge University Press
- 2 (mass noun) the process of achieving success in a different field or style, especially in popular music: (as modifier): a jazz-classical crossover album—Oxford Dictionary, Oxford University Press.
- 4: a broadening of the popular appeal of an artist (as a musician) that is often the result of a change of the artist's medium or style; also : an artist or artistic work that has achieved a crossover—Merriam-Webster Dictionary
- 1 (countable) the change a popular performer makes from working in one area of entertainment to another: "J-Lo has made a crossover from music to the movies."
2 (uncountable and countable) the fact of liking, using, or supporting different types of things or groups: "There's some crossover between the musical genres."—Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English - 5.
a. The adaptation of a musical style, as by blending elements of two or more styles or categories, to appeal to a wider audience.
b. A recording designed to appeal to more than one segment or portion of the listening audience.
c. One that appeals to a wide or diverse audience.
—The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.
(n) 5. a recording, book, or other product that becomes popular in a genre other than its own
(adj)
1. (of music, fashion, art, etc.) combining two distinct styles
2. (of a performer, writer, recording, book, etc.) having become popular in more than one genre
—Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003—TheFreeDictionary - 4. A blend of multiple styles of music, intended to appeal to a wider audience.
7. A piece of fiction that borrows elements from two or more fictional universes.—Wiktionary
A musician, a band, a group, an ensamble, an orchestra can broaden his audience for example at concerts, shows, and festivals, but not in the charts. I do not think it is fair to start the article in the way it is right now.
Happy editing!–pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:25, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- I have to agree with the above. A group or singer the does music in multiple genres could be considered a crossover act even if they don't find chart success in every musical genre they dabble in. For example, Frank Zappa was a very eclectic musician but did not find chart success in all genres he dabbled in. He could be referred to as a crossover artists in the sense of being eclectic but not in the sense of having had hits on multiple charts. Basically, a crossover musical artist/band could be:
- a) A band or artist that has at least one hit that has appeared on several different distinctly different musical genre charts, either at the same time or at different times.
- b) A band or artist that has performed songs/musical pieces that are of several different genres (examples: Frank Zappa, Tom Weights, Billy Joel, Jerry Lee Lewis).
- c) A band or artist who appeals to fans of several distinct genres (i.e. A country artist that has a significant number of rock fans), regardless of whether their music fits multiple genres or charts on multiple charts, if charting at all.
- A crossover hit on the other hand is a song that charts on two different musical genre charts (example: 9 to 5 by Dolly Parton which charts both on the country and pop charts at the same time). Some artists/groups with a crossover hit due not qualify as crossover bands because the song in question was a one-off in it's genre.
- What we really need is to cover both crossover artists/bands and crossover hits in the intro with all three senses of the term "crossover artists/band" described. --Cab88 (talk) 12:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
- There reads: If the second chart is a record chart, such as a "Hot 100" list, the work is not a crossover since the pop charts only track popularity and do not constitute a separate genre.
- Well, what if the other genre is pop? Like in classical crossver? For example, Vanessa Mae, who's mentioned in the article, combines classical with pop. 85.217.44.157 (talk) 03:51, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
- There reads: If the second chart is a record chart, such as a "Hot 100" list, the work is not a crossover since the pop charts only track popularity and do not constitute a separate genre.
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