Talk:Crime in Akron, Ohio

Move to City of Akron crime history

Akron dosent have a signficant or notable amount of crime to have a page for it, while atmost it's hstorical crime event are. Crime should be on main page like all other cities, and this article renamed Crime history of the city of Akron or City of Akron crime history, to match the data given.--Threeblur0 (talk) 21:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I would not recommend merging this page. I live in Akron and there is more than enough crime to fill out a page... at the very least, this page is a stub. 24.166.43.185 (talk) 06:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The issue isn't whether Akron has crime or not - every city and town has crime - but whether crime in Akron is notable or exceptional somehow. Has the city experienced great crime waves for which it is nationally known? No. Does it have a famous history of crime, like Chicago with Al Capone or New York with the Five Families? No. A police blotter isn't enough. Many of the incidents outlined in this article are just run of the mill crimes that occur regularly in cities across the world. For example, the so-called "riot" of 2009 were nothing more than a few individuals tussling with the police - so unremarkable, in the scheme of things, that I never even heard of it even though I lived a few blocks over from the street where the incident is alleged to have occured. In any case, this page just seems to mention a few random crimes committed here and there throughout the city's history, not anything like a comprehensive outline of notable events or an analytical breakdown of crime statistics. This page needs major edits Volkodlak (talk) 10:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Page moves

When a page is moved to a title that alters its content scope, it needs to be discussed first and some sort of consensus achieved. Your moves from the original Crime in Akron, Ohio were never discussed. If a city with as much crime history as New York doesn't even have a "Crime history of New York City" article, a few riots and one organized crime rig in Akron hardly denote a significant crime history worthy of its own article. The very info used in the chart in Crime in New York City can be found for Akron here. --JonRidinger (talk) 00:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

What was your lecture about featured articles again? The very info on the page is more(completely) historical and not of the present, which is why i thought it would be ok to make the move, which appears right.--Threeblur0 (talk) 00:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Also it was atleast two crime rings

http://books.google.com/books?id=6ADHZnyv9FIC&lpg=PA35&ots=UzOhcJncmB&dq=%22frank%20mitchell%22%20%22pretty%20boy%20floyd%22%20akron&pg=PA33#v=onepage&q=akron&f=false

i began a sandbox of this on wordpad to make it better.--Threeblur0 (talk) 00:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

A sandbox is a good start. My "lecture" was to use them as examples, but we can use more than just featured articles for ideas or suggestions, but should never assume even a featured article is how every article must be. I never stated to follow one of them in exactness, nor did I state the Crime in NYC article was a perfect example. And just because the info is currently more historical doesn't mean it had to stay that way; in fact, it was a more a cry for help to fix the article. Most of the historical nature was a result of you moving the excess info from the Akron article here and then it being ignored. I'm moving this back to its original location pending an actual discussion and consensus. --JonRidinger (talk) 00:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Your lecture is better described on the Akron talkpage. No, most of the historical nature was a result of me creating the page with it and not naming the page correctly(as i seem to do alot).--Threeblur0 (talk) 00:59, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

What I said is standard Wikipedia policy that you have failed time and again to understand and properly apply. And you'll note I gave several examples of articles to show how different they could be in certain ways but still have the same general strengths and structure. I didn't just say "copy Cleveland's with Akron's info". And once again you missed my point in mentioning the chart Crime in New York City article. The chart contains info from a reliable source, so just because it isn't in a featured article doesn't mean it has less validity. Had you named the page this initially, it would've likely been tagged for deletion or moved to Crime in Akron, Ohio anyway since "Crime history in..." has no precedent or strong reason for a specific city. And you keep saying Akron has no notable current crime, yet the whole Meth thing IS relatively current; it's just not enough to warrant an entire mis-named section in the Akron article. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The meth is part of crime and notable[as you said] enough its own subsection but not section or page.--Threeblur0 (talk) 01:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, but combined with the history and the current crime stats from the FBI would make a small--but still complete--article on Crime in Akron, Ohio. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but with the info that im adding, its going to be more historical than present, and will be a fully complete article on Crime history of Akron, Ohio.--Threeblur0 (talk) 02:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Riots of 2009 - really?

While not positive, neither of those instances would be considered anything more than routine. Particularly in the context of the 1968 and 1900 riots (where sections of downtown were burned to the ground), the "riots" of 2009 mentioned in this article are nothing more than routine occurrences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.6.111 (talk) 21:24, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

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Wooster Avenue riots of 1968

This section has only two inline references, of which one is no longer a valid link. Furthermore, while of course I wouldn't use this in the article because it would be original research, it is very different from my memory of those days. This does make me wonder if there is some other agenda at work here, so I'm going to work on this. Dgndenver (talk) 15:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC) I fixed reference 7. I'm not sure I got the format right; feel free to fix it if needed. Dgndenver (talk) 12:47, 3 February 2022 (UTC)