Category talk:Emo musical groups

Revival

Why no mention of the current emo revival that's been going on for the past couple years? Snowing, Algernon Cadwallader, 1994!, Joie De Vivre, Dowsing, etc. all make a pretty strong case for there being a strong new musical growth in emo.

Add

You guys should add Silverstein, Bullet For My Valentine, It Dies Today and Alexisonfire.

Is there a need to have list of emo bands, and list of early emo bands on two seperate pages?

Underoath is not emo.

Chipstick: You're right, there is no need - they should be merged.

You guys are out of your minds. You can't merge a Category with an article. You can add the groups in the early emo groups list to this category, but that's about it. And I think that's potentially a bad idea, given how many of those bands don't have actual articles. -- ChrisB 22:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Why not make a list of emo goups and merge early emo groups into it. St jimmy 13:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Cause we tried a list of emo bands (in two different forms) and it was nearly impossible to manage the list. There's no consensus as to which bands are actually emo, so we end up with people adding and removing bands like crazy. (Ie, some people think My Chemical Romance is emo, some insist they aren't.) It's not worth the stupid arguments over and over again. With a Category, the list includes only the bands that have consensus - ie, the editors of that band's article agree that the band is "emo". That makes it as accurate as it can possibly be. (And also stops people from adding their friend's band to the list.)

I don't have a problem with the early band list being its own entity. Many of those bands are not notable enough to have their own article, so they would otherwise be discounted from Wikipedia entirely. And the original emo scene was so removed from what's going on now that it doesn't seem fair to them to lump them in as "emo" in the modern sense. -- ChrisB 06:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

That makes sense, the only problem with having a category instead of an article. The only problem is that when some dumbass place Good Charlotte as an emo band, I can't change it.

Yes Silverstein is not there??... and what about Hawthorne Heights... they aren't REALLY emo, but are called emo all the time, even on wikipedia, and theyr'e not on the list...there early works (a day in the life) were more emo in my opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.28.106.155 (talk) 18:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

"So cut my wrists and black my eyes."<--Something gives me a hint that Hawthorne Heights is a SMIDGE emo at least.. P!ATD, MCR, and FOB all don't consider themselves emo. Do some research =] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.30.249.143 (talk) 11:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Dashboard Confessional

why are they on the list? it's emotive HARDCORE.

no, i agree - Dashboard Confessional are definitely emo! Woodgreener 22:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Dashboard Confessional is definitely NOT emo. they don't sound emo at all. Suicidesforkim

Dashboard confessional are pop rock and if you ask anyone that listens to pop rock what they think of embrace and pg. 99 the answer will most likly be......... THAT SUCKS..... ergo dahboard arnt emo

ehh.. DBC is acoustic rock/vocals???... not really emo i guess —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.28.106.155 (talk) 18:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

If you listen to the lyrics, it's definitely emo. Chris Carrabba even said it's an emo band in an interview. He also said he likes Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance(But they aren't emo) =] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.30.249.143 (talk) 11:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

MATCHBOOK ROMANCE

they are definitely emo lol.. why arent they here

add them then... by the way i think we can delete some of these. fall out boy and panic at the disco? they seem more like pop rock to me--Terronez 02:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, they're older stuff more fits into the "emo" genre.

FALL OUT BOY

They're not emo...--209.30.228.158 18:11, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Fall Out Boy is definitely not emo...they don't even fit the stereotype, much less the sound. A band is not emo because of its fans. 204.90.50.252 20:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Fall Out Boy are emo - their music fits the stereotype and they pretty much all "look emo". I think they should be added again Woodgreener 22:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

The emo "stereotype" we use today really has nothing to do with emo. And emo is also not a look.

haha Fallout Boy emo...... in my opinion they're not and i've never heard anyone call them emo until i saw them on the article--HurricaneRo 00:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Suicidesforkim 15:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)==Bands That Don't Belong to Emo==

Bands that don't belong on this list:

Cursive, Dashboard Confessional, Fall Out Boy, Funeral For a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, Matchbox Romance, Saosin, Saves the Day, Silverstein, Starting Line, A Static Lullaby, Taking Back Sunday, The Used, Thursday, Sunny Day Real Estate

Sunny Day Real Estate was an indie rock band. They were not emo.

to suicideforkim... all those bands are infact emo. every single one of them fit everything there is in todays emo genre. and sunny day real estate is infact emo, the emo of today is a branch of indie, emo of yester year like the 80s was emotionally charged hardcore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.190.153 (talk) 19:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Note that emo is emotionally charged HARDCORE, not whiney pop-rock bands that attach themselves to corporate trends to make a quick buck.

Yes I agree, for the most part on those bands. But how do you add or remove things on this? (jesus I'm such a n00b)--Terronez 17:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea, I would have removed the bands myself instead of writing this if I did.

Dashboard Confessional, Fall Out Boy, Funeral For a Friend, Hawthorne Heights, Starting Line, Taking Back Sunday and The Used are all very emo bands (the others I have never heard of). They should be on the list of emo bands!

Thursday is Emo! anyway i cant be arsed to argue against people who want to talk about what is emo or not.If you want to think and argue that certain bands are emo, then fair enough but at the end of the day its only a label, and most of the bands you have mentioned are emo. 

though yeah i have to admit Good Charlotte and Simple Plan are definatly not emo,but Dashboard Confessional, Hawthorne Heights, Taking Back Sunday and The used defo are and probably the others, but you know who cares! - Rocker4Life

sunny day should be considered emo. they heavily drew influence by earlier emo bands, and then mixed it with a more indie tempo. The guitar work found in most emo music is still there as well as the delivery of the vocals. Also, "Phase four: "post-emo indie rock" and post-emo post-hardcore. Sunny Day Real Estate, Christie Front Drive, Promise Ring, Mineral, Boys Life, Sideshow, Get-Up Kids, Braid, Cap'n Jazz, then later Joan of Arc, Jets To Brazil, etc. Lots of Caulfield and Crank! Records bands, more lately a lot of stuff on Jade Tree for instance." -www.fourfa.com. Iii9ix3 02:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

omg Taking back sunnday-not emo haha..... This is from one of their songs " And u could slit my throat and with my one last gasping breath i'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt"sounds emo enought to me--HurricaneRo 00:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Fall Out Boy isnt emo and if they claim to be they are posers because emos dont tell everyone there emo. But TBS they are emo you lil jerks!

They are Emo.--WhereAmI 06:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

AFI has got to be one of the most Emo bands I have ever heard. Agreements? Disagreements?--WhereAmI 06:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

^^ AFI is far from emo, despite what people think... They're totally punk!!

AFI is definitely punk, their newer stuff is more post-hardcore, not emo.

TBS are not emo, i agree that SDRE is emo, but only to the extent that it was influenced by emo bands. they were just too Indie to be hardcore, i guess.

but seriously, lyrics aren't the only basis whether or not a band is emo. i'd bet my Indian Summer and Moss Icon discographies on that. -Suicidesforkim

fall out boy is extremely emo like panic at the disco (Dan5694 11:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC))

Fall Out Boy says themself they aren't emo, and when people first called them that they didn't even know what emo was.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.41.212 (talk) 23:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC) All right lets end this. Fall out boy is emo any way you slice it. And Dashboard Confessional is so emo! They even say they are! —Preceding unsigned comment added by UCBearcatfan4life (talk • contribs) 17:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

^^ You're stupid. :) Fall Out Boy doesn't like being called emo, and their lyrics aren't emo, but they do look kinda emo.

Simple Plan

Should Simple Plan be added? It's debated whether they are pop-punk, or emo. --Stonesour025 07:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

That is completely preposterous, Simple Plan are quite simply a pop-rock band. Not even pop-punk. They don't deserve to be associated with good pop-punk bands like the Ramones and the Queers.

The Ramones and the Queers are just punk bands, dumbass.

  Where on earth would you get an idea like that?--Terronez 02:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well some of their lyrics could be emo ..what about welcome to my life,untitled and Perfect??--HurricaneRo 00:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

well, if lyrics were the only basis, bands like Converge, Editors, Minus The Bear, and Dark Tranquillity would be emo. -Suicidesforkim

I personally recommend you listen to a band before labeling them emo, because Simple Plan IS not, emo. It is Pop/Punk.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.41.212 (talk) 23:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Why does Dashboard repeatedly get put back in this category?

Dashboard Confessional is an acoustic pop-rock band.

Rites of Spring is an underground band inspired by the hardcore scene, but against the violence it caused in venues. They are heavy, raw, uncomprimising, and very punkish---but have deep, introverted lyrics. That is emo.

THANK YOU, JESUS.

Dashboard is not inspired by the hardcore punk scene, they don't have a raw, uncompromising sound. They're not underground. In fact, they're worshipped by nearly every preppy, teenage girl in America who watches MTV. The whole cheerleading squad at my school listens to them. That's not underground. That's not punk, hardcore, or emo.

The simple facts are Dashboard Confessional:

1. Aren't emo.

2. Have nothing to do with emo.

There, [/rant].

hah.... have u heard screaming infedelities? or again i go unnoticed??? The lyrics are definitlety emo

Your mom's dick is definitely emo. :O http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEtKRAvWvCY&feature=channel_video_title ^Chris Carrabba interview. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.30.249.143 (talk) 11:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Modern Bands Claiming to Be Emo

There are a lot of modern bands claiming to be emo. Most of these bands are mainstream pop-rock bands who all have essentially the same overall sound, mood, and theme in their music and lyrics. Another common factor in these bands is they all love to tour together, and they've all claimed to be (or associated themselves with) "hardcore", "punk", or "emo" at one point in time. This is inaccurate, seeing as how these bands are all mainstream, media-darlings. Their fans consist of teenage boys and girls, who usually know nothing about the original punk, hardcore, or emo scenes/bands. These fans also seem to have it in their head that these bands are somehow underground, despite their countless appearances on MTV, Rolling Stone, and chain stores like Hot Topic (whose company policy generally doesn't allow local or underground bands to advertise shows in the store). Another thing about these fans, they're all struck with faux-depression, acting out like their lives are horrible and that they know all about sorrow and loss, all for attention. These fans are typically skaters, preppy-abercrombie kids, cheerleaders, jocks, and kids who claim to be goth. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this does NOT merit the new "emo" bands as being emo at all. Emo (as well as Hardcore and Punk) are underground, anti-establishment movements. Logically, this would make all the new wave "emo" bands and their sheep-like fans, to be the complete anti-thesis of what the movements truly stood for. These new bands with all the essentially same sound, don't have an uncompromising, raw sound. They have an over-produced, polished sound that sounds like if Britney Spears got a backing band pretending to be punk. These modern bands I refer to are:

My Chemical Romance, The Used, Fall Out Boy, Hawthorne Heights, Senses Fail, the Starting Line, Taking Back Sunday, Aiden, Dashboard Confessional, Thursday, Early November, etc. etc. etc.

These bands are not emo, punk, or hardcore. They're merely pop-rock. To associate them with anti-establishment, underground genres of rock music is completely, and utterly absurd and illogical as they are all clearly mainstream bands, who have fans who stand for everything anti-establishment and underground music are against. [/rant] — Preceding unsigned comment added by PopeMatthewPaul (talk • contribs) 16:59, 29 July 2006

Wikipedia is founded on the principle of verifiable sources. Verifiable sources are calling those bands emo. Doesn't matter what anyone else (including the "purist") thinks. Wikipedia is here to reflect reality. And, as long as people are calling those bands emo, they're emo. End of story. -- ChrisB 17:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

First off, I second ChrisB's comment on this. Secondly, a musical genre like emo, punk or hardcore has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you are "underground", "scene", "mainstream" or any other tag you want to apply. If one of your approved emo bands like Rites of Spring would now be all over MTV, would their genre all of a sudden shift from emo to pop-rock? No, it would not. Please educate yourself on the topic of emo (might I suggest Emo (music) and Talk:Dashboard Confessional) before you vandalise articles and post rants on Wikipedia. This is not a forum. None of these bands are calling themselves emo, because nobody wants to be assoiciated with the negative connotations applied to the genre by people like yourself. They are labeled emo by (mainly self-proclaimed) so-called music experts and ignorant people would think emo is all about self-pity and slitting your wrists, and who consider "emo" an insult (as in "He's an emo!"). True, the new popular form of emo is way different from its roots, yet it still is a derivate, tracable to the original sound. If you disagree, maybe you should write a blog. --HarryCane 19:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

That's ridiculous saying a verifiable resource is someone calling a band emo. Would it be a verifiable resource if I called some random guy on the street Indonesian? No. Because that would be a statement made out of ignorance, I know nothing of this man or where he's from or what cultural background is. And how is it vandalization to speak my mind on a page for the discussion of this topic? I'm sorry if I don't have your opinion, Mr. Thought Police. I'm sorry if I don't follow what everyone else is told to believe. It's not that I'm a purist, I'm saying associating a corporate rock band like Taking Back Sunday with an incredible band like Rites of Spring is insulting towards the latter. Categorizing them together is absurd.

Explanation of "verifiable": WP:V

Example of verifiable source: [1]

We're not the ones categorizing those bands together as emo. Wikipedia cannot publish unsourced ideas. (See WP:OR.) Prominent (and verifiable) media sources are categorizing both bands as emo.

And this is not the correct place for this debate, given that bands cannot be added to this category via this page. -- ChrisB 04:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Since when Is Taking Back Sunday corporate rock? All of their album releases except the current one have been on an independent label. People get to me when there all puritan in the beliefs that only the first wave of Punk, or in your case emo, should EVER be classified as Punk. It's like saying that If you didn't record your record in 1976, in your basement, onto a crappy cassette tape, don't even bother.

And also, none of the bands you have mentioned are pop-rock. Pop-rock should be used to classify something such as The Beatles, or Michael Jackson. --DieHard2k5 | Talk 03:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Being underground really doesn't make a band emo or not, but I do agree that almost all of the mainstream bands claiming to be emo aren't.--Terronez 23:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

HAHAHA the Beatles are pop rock. You made my day. :)

Wow so being famous amkes them not emo...ridiculous... Every band wants to eventually become famous...i mean some do it as a hobby..but there dream is to become famous--HurricaneRo 00:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

my chemical romance, a.f.i, behind crimson eyes and fall out boy are emo bands

A band is only "emo" if they say they are and sing like and about "emo". Fall Out Boy is not emo, they may sing like they are but they are not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.41.212 (talk) 23:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Annoyed

I do agree with all of you that most of the said bands up there aren't true Emo. But most are punk:Pop-Punk or Post-Hardcore. But still related to Emo distantly. I'm not saying that these bands should be on this page. But I would really appreaciate it if you stop bashing these bands just because they are popular(they all used to be underground anyway). It's not the bands themselves that are putting their names on the list. It's a random fan that doesn't know his or her musical history.

I don't know one of those bands that actually claim to be Emo, Emotional maybe...But not Emo the musical genre.

Btw...Someone put Hawthorne Heights on the page again.

And remember they are related to Punk...And don't cling, because true punk along with true emo..Is dead.

IAngelofFuryI 00:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thursday

Thursday is not emo. Period.

That is not a logical argument, you need to provide at least some form of reasoning. Besides that, Thursday should probably be on this list as many people consider them to be emo, whether you, personally, feel that they are emo or not is not relevant. Greg 02:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thursday is not emo, i second that, but they are from the New Jersey scene, and that scene is known for churning out some of the best screamo ever, namely You And I, Neil Perry, and A Days Refrain. (i think You And I's last show was in Geoff's basement) Thursday know their stuff, trust me, but just because they listen to emo and have hints of that in their music, doesn't make them emo. Suicidesforkim 15:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Clarify

There seems to be a lot of argument on this talk page, with not many people providing actual reasoning. I think the main problem here is that the definition at the beginning of this category is no clear enough. I suggest that the blurb at the beginning has some sort of disclaimer such as:

"This is a list of bands that are considered by a number of people as being emo. As there are many definitions of emo, there is much disagreement in relation to many of these bands and their status as "emo". A band being listed on this page does not necessarily mean it is emo, as this can not be accurately defined, it simply means that a number of people consider the band to be emo in some way."

I think another issue here is that people are taking this far too personally. This category isn't a list of bands that you consider emo, nor is it a list of bands that are universally considered emo, as this would be impossible. Don't take it as an insult if a band you like is placed on this list, it doesn't mean you are then "emo", and you don't need to be offended. I think it might be helpful for some people editing this page to take a look at the Emo article here, especially the history section. A good point to note is that "in many cases, the term has simply been attached to them because of musical similarites, a common fashion sense, or because of the band's popularity within the "emo" scene, not because the band adheres to emo as a music genre." Finally, take a look at the quote by Guy Picciotto. I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment, and as such I don't take offence to being called emo, or to listening to bands that people call emo. I think it is a much better philosophy to adopt than taking 'emo' as an insult. That said, while emo is a meaningless term, it is still far too common to be ignored by Wikipedia. So while it must be included in Wikipedia, I think it should be done in a much more rational fashion. Greg 02:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I would just like to clear a few things up. Just because a band looks like they're "emos", doesn't mean that it's emo music. For example, Fall Out Boy, Thursday, Simple Plan, Alexisonfire, Silverstein, Atreyu, Bullet For My Valentine ect. are all far from emo. Fall Out Boy and Simple Plan are pop punk music, and have nothing to do with emo at all. Thursday, Silverstein and Alexisonfire are post-hardcore bands, and don't resemble emo at all. Atreyu and Bullet For My Valentine are metalcore bands (well... they started as metalcore bands.) and shouldn't be classified as emo either. Bands that are acually emo music that have been listed here are Taking Band Sunday (Tell All Your Friends era), Jimmy Eat World (Static Prevails-Clarity, maybe even Bleed America), and Hawthorne Heights, maybe. These are all fairly new emo bands though, some true emo bands are Cap'n Jazz, Sunny Day Real Estate, Copper, Texas Is The Reason ect. Not trying to insult anyone or anything, hope no one gets angry over this... just stating the truth. - dropdeadcody666! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dropdeadcody666 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Jimmy Eat World

I think Jimmy Eat World was more early emo than todays emo. I may or may not edit this in as "Jimmy Eat World (early years)" later on. Anyone disagree?--WhereAmI 06:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I now see there is a List of early Emo groups and Jimmy Eat World is on that one. I am deleting it off of this emo page.--WhereAmI 06:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

"Early emo" is not a genre. Labelling it as such is unsourced and POV. Rites of Spring was an emo band, not an "early emo" band - that they were an emo band in 1985 doesn't give us license to change the genre name. -- ChrisB 17:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

So no classic rock is considered classic rock? It HAS to be rock, and can never be called classic rock, as they never classified themselves as classic rock when their songs were new? Things change, I have seen Early Emo classification before. I will not change it back, if others agree an Early Emo category will be started someday.--WhereAmI 03:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought about it some more, and why not both? After all, classic rock bands are also classified as rock bands.--WhereAmI 04:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Keep in mind - "classic rock" isn't considered a genre. In the article, classic rock is defined as a radio format. If you check out the pages for The Who and Led Zeppelin, for example, they're simply listed as Rock bands.

Regardless, the trick is that a genre has to be recognized as such by a wide consensus outside of Wikipedia. The usage of "early emo" at this point is generally meant as "early Emo", not "Early Emo". Until there's widespread usage of "Early Emo" in music publications, we really can't use it here. -- ChrisB 20:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

that doesnt hold up as if you ask a "wide consensus" outside of wikipedia a list of emo bands would consist of taking back sunday, hawthorne heights, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance and Panic! At The Disco. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.161.6.24 (talk • contribs) 12:01, 16 July 2007.

That's not what we're talking about in this section. The conversation here is about usage of the term "early emo" as a genre, which doesn't exist. Whether or not a specific band should be labelled "emo" (as in the bands you've listed) should be taken up on the respective band pages. -- ChrisB 17:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

omfg are you serious?? you people don't even understand the meaning of the word emo. I used to cut myself, but that doesn't make me emo!! and since when is Jimmy Eat World emo? have you even listened to Jimmy Eat World? Jimmy isn't your freaking neighbor dude, it's a band!! Gosh, i'm sorry but i think you should prove Jimmy eat world is emo. And thank god no one put nirvana on this list cuz i would blow chunks.Irish♥forever^{(and lovin' it)} 01:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC) bright eyes deserves to be number one on the damn list.

^^ You're weird. ^.^

WTF are The Almost doing in this list? Or Dashboard Confessional? Or Senses Fail? The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus? Matchbook Romance? Hawthorne Heights? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.50.202.148 (talk) 13:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

hm...

interesting that only about 4% of the bands in the list are emobands, the rest are just mtv-poprock/wannabe-metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realmeneatcorn (talk • contribs) 18:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

who should edit

If you don't at least know of cap'n jazz, don't even bother editing this. there's my opinion. Caribouforyou (talk) 00:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC) I don`agree. Sample - 30 Seconds to Mars —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.237.97.253 (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Question.

Should we put Linkin Park on the list since their music is about emo stuff, or is it just metal? I was just wondering that while I looked at the list.--Lover of Itachi (talk) 15:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Fuck you.

To those who don't actually know what emo IS...

Emo is not My Chemical Romance. Emo is not Taking Back Sunday. I don't have anything against these bands, in fact I rather enjoy them. But they are not emo. Today's definition of Emo is not what Emo really is. Emo was a DIY movement that spawned punk/hardcore bands like Fugazi and Rites of Spring, as well as groups like Jimmy Eat World (their early stuff, mostly), Braid, The Promise Ring, and The Get Up Kids. Emo is NOT short for "emotional". Fall Out Boy isn't emo. Dashboard Confessional isn't Emo. Atreyu isn't Emo. This article needs some SERIOUS edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rwiggum (talk • contribs) 17:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

But the one problem is things evolve. The term emo has evolved over time into what many perceive it as today. It may have started as a DIY movement. Now if you could find some indisputable evidence that shows these bands are not emo then by all means take them off the list. The same can be said for the other side that until the evidence proves they are emo they should not be placed on the list. crazzycorbe (talk) 09:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment

I would also like to metion for those of you who have your hearts set on Pete Wentz that "emo" can describe a lot of different teen culture crazes such as fashion, adittude, cliques, ect. But in this case, it's referring to bands. Emo music is defined by the tone, which is heard through the artist's lyrics. It's often to do with pain, suffering, depression, and all that jazz. If you have one band which is dressed in clothes from Hot Topic with eyeliner and peircings in places your mothers wouldn't recognize, yet they're singing about bunnies and sinshine, they're not emo. If you have another band which is singing about misery, pain, and suicide, their emo. Panic! At the Disco is not emo, yet if there was a randomness catagory of bands, then they could fit in. Fall Out Boy is not emo. Emos don't obsess over sex, guns, and other New York City cliches. Paramore is not emo, although it doesn't really matter if they are or not; it's unchangeable now. Three Days Grace is emo, hence their songs about suffering as in "Pain", "Animal I have Become", "Never Too Late", and "Riot". Evanescene is emo. One time listening to "Tourniquit", and you'll never change your mind. Hawthorne Heights is probably the perfect example of an emo band. They talk about depressing topics in about every song. Now what shouldn't be discussed is people saying "Yeah, but this band is post-modern grunge! Not emo! Delete them for God's sake!" When you get into discussions like that talking about the style or genre of a song. Alternative, Grunge, Heavy Metal, ect. Those are all genres. Emo is not a genre. as I said earlier, emo is a tone. I hope that people will read this and take what I have to say into consideration please. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notnilc11 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 8 June 2008

These are your opinions, and do not belong on Wikipedia unless you can source them. I've never seen Evanescence classified as Emo except by fans who don't really understand the term, and two of my Emo-listening friends have wholeheartedly disclaimed that idea. It comes down to "Find Sources" supporting the idea that any given group should be classified as Emo, otherwise it is just original research. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 03:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Chiodos and Emery

I think Chiodos should be in Emo cause both there PureVoulme and My space say it.And Emery Should be in it as well cause there video that Tooth and nail put (there lable)the music Genre they put them in was Screamo and Emo there video was called Disguising Mistakes With Goodbyes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haloblade345 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

How could Emery be emo, when emo is defined by lyrics about "suffering" as Huntster said, if they are a Christian band? Come on, man...

Paramore

Paramore is definatly not emo. Yea, they look emo but they are a Christian band. Even Fuse thinks they are emo, not one of their songs is about suffering. However I do like them and I AM emo.

          Paramore is not a Christian band.

Slipknot

no just no... Its not an emo band maybe do some research next time :)

Emotional Hardcore

Almost none of the bands on this list are "emo"(emotional hardcore). Pg. 99 is emotional hardcore, kudos to whoever added that. Now, here is a list of actual emo bands:

1905 * A Case Of Grenada * Amanda Woodward * Ampere * Angel Hair * Antioch Arrow * Arse Moreira * Assfactor 4 * Aussitôt Mort * Balaclava * Baron Noir * Blacken the Skies * Boa Narrow * Born Dead Icons * Breather Resist * Bucket Full of Teeth * Burnman * Calvary * Circle Takes the Square * City of Caterpillar * Clikatat Ikatowi * Cobra Kai * Conation * Corn On Macabre * Cost of An Arm * Cowboys Became Folk Heroes * Creation is Crucifixion * Crestfallen * Current * Daitro * Danse Macabre * Dear Diary I Seem To Be Dead * Die, Emperor Die! * Dispensing Of False Halos * Efra * Embrace * Emo Summer * Enoch Ardon * Envy * Evergreen * Flashbulb Memory * Former Members of Alfonsin * Funeral Diner * Get Fucked * Gospel * Harriet the Spy * Heroin * Hot Cross * Hugs * I Hate Myself * Indian Summer * I Wrote Haikus About Cannibalism In Your Yearbook * I Would Set Myself on Fire for You * I, Robot * Index for Potential Suicide * Joan Of Arc * Joshua Fit for Battle * Kakistocracy * The Khayembii Communique * Kobayashi * The Kodan Armada * La Quiete * Lee Marvin Computer Arm * Life at These Speeds * Light the Fuse and Run * Louise Cyphre * Love Like... Electrocution * Love Lost But Not Forgotten * Make Me * Malady * Mannequin * Mary Reilly * Mass Movement of the Moth * Mayans * Maxamillian Colby * Memento Mori * Moss Icon * Neil Perry * Off Minor * Orchid * Palatka * Pg.99 * Phoenix Bodies * Please Inform the Captain This is a Hijack * Plunger * Policy of Three * Portrait * Portraits of Past * Pretty Faces * Raein * Rites of Spring * Ruhaeda * Saetia * Sakita Sarra * Shikar * Shotmaker * Sinkthefucker * Sl's3 * Sophora * Stop It! * Suis la Lune * Systral * Tafkata * Takaru * Ten Grand/The Vidablue * The Apoplexy Twist Orchestra * The Avenging Disco Godfathers of Soul * The Disease * The Holy Shroud * The Infarto, Scheisse! * The Spirit Of Versailles * The State Secedes * To Dreamo of Autumn * Towers * Transistor Transistor * Turn Around Norman * Twelve Hour Turn * Uranus * Usurp Synapse * We Fly Our Kites at Night * Whenallelsefails * Wolves * Wow, Owls! * Yage * Yaphet Kotto * You and I * Zegota

^^ Someone who knows stuff. :D

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I've got just a great idea. Let's stop crying about "verifiable sources", and actually think, eh? Just because it's in the rules, doesn't mean it's right.

But, most importantly, get BrokeNCYDE off of that list! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.172.237.115 (talk) 01:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, let's get some emo verification for Atreyu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.133.65 (talk) 09:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I would like to remind everyone that Wikipedia is based off of facts and not opinion. If fact states that a band is emo or not it does not matter if in your opinion you believe a band is emo or not. Keep to the facts please and it would make the process a whole lot easier. crazzycorbe (talk) 14:47, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Atreyu is not an emo band. They started out as a metalcore band, and now they are just watered-down metal bs. Scary Kids Scaring Kids is far from emo as well. Get a clue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.193.73 (talk) 21:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Atreyu should totally be on here. there are only the worlds BEST band.

Scary Kids Scaring kids is an amazing emo band, I think they should be added

I had an idea and tired to do it, but i dont know all the wikipedia page editing jargon so maybe someone who knows how can do it. I tried to make all the bands we argue endlessly about on this page have an asterisk by there name and at the top of the page I wouldve put something like that "It is highly contested whether or not the bands marked with asterisks are actually emo". it seemed better than arguing over and over again.

Also, we dont need the panic at the disco subcategory since we cant even decide wether or not the band is actually emo.--67.65.248.142 20:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

People will probably get mad at me for this, but I'm being serious: Alexisonfire's first album (the self-titled one) was psuedo-authentic emo, or am I just delusional? I don't know what they started doing after that album, but the vocals in that album, especially the backing vocals, are pretty emo in my opinion. I don't think that album should be classified with shitty Silverstein or Hawthorne Heights or whatever. I think it was modeled after the good stuff like Saetia and Kodan Armada. Am I totally wrong here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.28.78 (talk) 22:21, 14 October 2011 (UTC)