Bbb23
Re: Deletion of article on murdered journalist
Re: "16:53, 27 August 2024 Bbb23 talk contribs deleted page Bakshi Tirath Singh (A7: Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject)."
I wanted to request a restoration of this article, as I think that a) a journalist's assassination over their work certainly indicates the importance & significance of their being the subject of an article, & b) in the circumstance that the article was not up to the mark, its contents might nevertheless have utility in the List of Journalists Killed in India or a disambiguation page for his name. Hope that made sense (first time raising a talk issue). And hope you had a good vacation! Mouli Sharma (2003) (talk) 22:22, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Mouli Sharma (2003) (talk page watcher) I'm very much for honoring and respecting victims of violent crime, up to and including murder. I also realize that this is a topic where reliable sourcing is absolutely necessary; anything less would be disrespectful towards the victim. I'm wondering if you're familiar with the concepts of a draft, and if you would be open to having an articles for creation draft, so it can be double-checked that the article is up to Wikipedian standards. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is no point restoring the article, as it simply consisted of the subject's name and "Indian journalist". It would be far better to re-create the article at Draft:Bakshi Tirath Singh with reliable sources. Black Kite (talk) 22:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Got it, just wanted to know if there anything useable in there as I'm currently working on the list (evidently not). I don't think there's a necessity for the article, just that if one had been written, I would have found it worth preserving, as with all the other names on that list. Thank you so much for the quick responses as well. Mouli Sharma (2003) (talk) 22:38, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Hello, Mouli Sharma. The full text of that "article" was:
Bakshi Tirath Singh Indian journalist in Hind samachar
. If you want to write a well-referenced, policy compliant article about this journalist, then go ahead. But there is nothing worth restoring in this case. Cullen328 (talk) 22:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Natasha Hausdorff
The article Natasha Hausdorff was created by an IP editor. It was a bit of a mess so I made extensive edits to it. Then a different IP editor (184.153.21.19) was getting very involved with my edits. I asked them if they were the same editor who created the article and they said I don't have multiple accounts. But my internet provider sometimes rotates my IP. Not my doing.
When I asked them again about this, they said: I didn't publish the article on Wikipedia, but I did the substantial work on the draft that another editor published
It all seems very strange and peculiar. Is there anything to look into here as far as sockpuppet/meatpuppetry goes?
Thank you MaskedSinger (talk) 17:33, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- The answers by the IP make sense. I think all of the IPs who've edited the article are the same person, but I don't see how that makes it socking. At worst, the person behind the IPs has a conflict of interest - they may even be the subject. Andrevan moved the draft to article space, and at a glance, it looks like the subject is notable. You can continue to watch and edit the article if you wish, but I don't see any need for sanctions against the IPs, nor protection of the article.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- ok great. thank you for clarifying. It's just confusing because if you have the same person editing articles as different logged in editors that would be a problem, but doing it as a different IP personnas isn't. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @MaskedSinger (talk page watcher) (edit conflict) Actually, it's not unheard of for people other than the draft creator to expand upon/improve a draft. In fact, sometimes drafts are intentionally a collaborative effort.
- Also not unheard of for IP addresses to change, and it's usually not the person using the internet service who changes the IP address. An IP address that changes location perodically is called a 'dynamic' IP address. A few, more technically inclined folks might do something to make the IP address change (reset the router, use a VPN, etc.). To put it politely, they tend to be disruptive in other ways if they're doing for illegitimate reasons. I don't think that's what's going on here, though; I think this is an unintentionally dynamic IP.
- tl;dr: I agree with Bbb23. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 17:53, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- I get a new IP whenever the modem/router is restarted, or even when connection drops. In my country static/non changing IP address generally come with plans for servers/lease lines. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran And you're far from the only person in that situation! I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- I get a new IP whenever the modem/router is restarted, or even when connection drops. In my country static/non changing IP address generally come with plans for servers/lease lines. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 17:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
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Thanks for your reversion
Thanks for your attention to [1]. Given that the article passes a first look, would you move it to the basename without the parenthetical DAB: Kefas Brand, it's presently admin protected. My look at the sources looks like it's the WP:COMMONNAME, someone else obviously thought so too if that was their primary (though spammy) attempt Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'd feel more comfortable if you asked Bishonen; she's the admin who salted it. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's fair, thank you.
Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's fair, thank you.