Message from @🍄The Mad Philosopher🍄
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Test should be sufficient for both areas.
I'll look at all opposing opinions or arguments. I'm not gonna ignore or refuse to examine any evidence.
But are the tests done that well is diff question.
i'd like to be clear on the fact that i am not necessarily pro-vaccine--i just think that its silly that so many Americans like to think that their (admittedly terrible) legislation on the subject is somehow universal
I'm not saying that, but I am saying nearly every vaccination should be avoided at all cost. Some people might be able to fight off the effects, but they ***will*** affect many.
So.. ten seconds of research shows this..
do you have a similar position on the rest of modern medicine?
If I find adequate reason and evidence of what they affect, then of course. I haven't gone through all of the pharmaceuticals because there are far more of those than vaccinations, but I intend to.
i see
what course of action would you recommend one who is in need of medical services in one way or another to take, then?
Antipsychotics and Antidepressants suck
If someone breaks an arm, you're of course going to need to deal with that, accordingly. However, when it comes to the pain management, there could be other forms of relief without addictive narcotics.
oh, on that we can agree
well... what would be an easy alt for m opioids?
Kratom?
That's all ik
Yeah, those are pretty nasty bits. Weight gain, added depression, suicidal thoughts from altering your brain chemistry, insomnia, addiction, your body slowing and eventually ceasing the production of certain chemicals.
Yes, antipsychotics and antidepressants are horrendous.
opioids _can_ be warranted in very extreme circumstances (i have a mate who fell out of a flat once and broke every bone in his body)
the problem with them is more that they are prescribed for every remotely annoying little ache
Docs get arrested now for prescribing it
So people get in pain because it's so bad the epidemic
Used it. You're right, they have stopped that for a large part.
opioids also arent really addictive if they're used for extreme pain relief only
gotta survive on aspirin then?
that only happens if they're used frivolously (aka, in 99% of the cases)
Aspirin will kill you as well
the friend i talked about earlier was under morphine 24/7 the first few months after the accident, but had no withdrawals whatsoever when they took him off of it
Interesting
but you gotta keep in mind that falling five stories is not exactly a typical case
Yea lol
Perhaps, the body needed it, as you suggested and if he stopped the moment he was able to stand the pain on his own or it got better quick enough, then sure, I can see how it may not affect him.
yeah, that was the idea
im kind of afraid that the current backlash against frivolous prescription of opioids, which is absolutely justified, will lead to opioids also being withheld when they are necessary
Is it partly just that ppl avoid pain too much today?
perhaps
Those should be used for extreme cases, and to a fair degree they are, but I also think had the pharmaceutical industry not become what it has (profiting from keeping people sick, rather than curing them) then we could combine natural herbs with advancing knowledge in medicine to keep from creating harmful substances.
You all talking about floride or what?
the very purpose of pain is to tell the body 'oi m8, something's amiss here, you better patch that up asap', so i dont think you can hold it against people that they dont like it
but as a society, the western world has definitely developed an unhealthy ideal of pain avoidance