i would call descendants of owned slaves and natives americans too

Just show CivNats facts, have discussions with them, don't degrade them but rather show them basic facts of our reality, and they will change.

but the abhorrent amount of immigrants, legal or illegal, from third world countries especially in africa make it difficult to discern slave owned from immigrated

i don't think everyone agrees that america is for americans. not at all. a whole lot of people think america is for anyone, or that it's a giant open-air shopping mall

@TraitorGG I think it’s kind of only fair to consider descendants slaves and natives as Americans too. Not because of “muh reparations” or anything but just because they were here in such mass numbers in the very early days of America’s history

"america is for everyone"

And @Bean of Texas I hate people who think like that

Maybe.

fuck that gay shit

Or just residents.

A country for everyone is a country for no one

I’ve seen people saying that the American flag is racist and that all flags need t be celebrated

Makes me angry as hell

syndrome from the incredibles logic

But voting rights should certainly be restricted for who they were meant for at this country's foundation.

voting rights should be restricted *anyway*

i don't want stupid white people voting any more than i want stupid black people voting

imagine if you need to show an ID to vote

@TraitorGG voting rights is a pretty shaky topic anyway because you can’t just say which citizens can and can’t vote. It sort of defeats the purpose of a citizenship

just imagine how much that would change things

i don't want voting. fuck democracy

Democracy can work if the most qualified can vote

you aught to have at least held a job and only vote in exchange for being on the "first to draft if we go to war" list

No it doesn't. in 1790 the only voters were white, landowning males.

I am a citizen yet I cannot vote? Do you know why? I'm not 18. Thats a restriction and yet I am a citizen.

It is the exact same concept as an age restriction.

yeah but telling people kids should vote

well

nevermind

But the 18 year old age restriction is for a valid reason

it probably *would* go over well

As is the white and landowning males one.

How

not so sure about landowning

It ensures they are 1) The ones that were meant for this nation and 2) have a stake in this nation, aren't freeloaders

Landowners have a vested interest in the success of a nation. An inner city minority on welfare does not.

Other than "muh gibs."

although the having a stake in the nations success philosophy is perfect

yeah but what about people who just live in gated suburbs

If I were to vote, I’d say I’d probably end up voting for the same person as any of you guys

and bought houses, and worked hard, but just don't own land