Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Fenerbahçe SK
Files in Category:Fenerbahçe SK
[edit]These are photographs of two- and three-dimensional works of art, and Turkey's Freedom of Panorama only covers objects displayed "in public streets, avenues or squares" not museums or stadiums. Blatant copyright violations.
- File:1959 şampiyonu Fenerbahçe Basket.jpg
- File:2016–17 Basketbol Süper Ligi Cup.jpg
- File:2016–17 EuroLeague Cup 2.jpg
- File:2016–17 Turkish Basketball President's Cup.jpg
Gtrbolivar (talk) 01:40, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Simple question: If you uploaded File:Olympiacos1997rome.jpg yourself, why do you ask for the deletion of similar fies? I see that your file is also in DR; did you get angry with it and found no better victim than Fenerbahçe SK to relax a bit? Are you planning to DR the images of the cups of all UEFA countries' teams or leave it with Fenerbahçe only? Note: Please forgive my transparency, I'm not doubting your good will, only trying to show you how others may conceive your attitude: "He or she is angry that his/her team's cup will be deleted (I mean the image, the cup will always be there :) and DRs the cups of others". Why? Looking into the cups in the two DRs you opened, some are even difficult to "see", due to being behind a dirty glass frame, leave aside violating a supposed copyright. All the best. (Again, sorry for speaking this openly, it is not such a bad practice indeed.) --E4024 (talk) 08:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've already answered but I'd like to expand on my answer a little bit. I can assure you that if it was up to me I would have kept all these photographs in commons (the ones I uploaded from Olympiacos museum, as well as the photos from Fenerbahce or Galatasaray museums). But three experienced editors and two admins, all have explicitly stated that all these pictures are copyrighted and that there is a copyright infringement going on. We all serve the project here, its well-being and its progress. Personally, I didn't believe that trophies are copyrighted, I didn't believe that they are works of art, I presented every argument known to man, I made my case to the administrators noticeboard and every editor or admin with extensive experience and expretise who checked this case told me that trophies are copyrighted and that Freedom of Panorama is the decisive factor on these cases. Unfortunately we all have to abide by the guidelines and the existing wikimedia commons rules. Gtrbolivar (talk) 18:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Many many photos also in Category:Trophies of association football. Sakhalinio (talk) 08:58, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- These photos were taken all under the supervision and approval of the official president of the Fenerbahçe Museum. A mail of official agreement and confirmation will be delivered soon. This request of deletion is void, as it infringes no right whatsoever. Baki.d (talk) 09:14, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- All these questions have been answered here: [[1]]. Feel free to ask more experienced editors than myself like Ytoyoda and elcobbola. I also think you should read: User:Elcobbola/Awards#Trophies,_statuettes,_and_figurines and Turkey's Freedom of Panorama (it only covers objects displayed "in public streets, avenues or squares"). Fenerbahce Museum's president doesn't hold the copyright of these trophies. Trophies are sculptures, works of art under copyright. The copyright belongs to their sculptor, to their creator. These images are all copyright infringements. Gtrbolivar (talk) 16:23, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sakhalinio you have to be aware that w:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS/w:WHATABOUTX is a terribly unconvincing argument. Gtrbolivar (talk) 16:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- The first one was simply an old picture. Has nothing to do with the museum etc. It doesn't belong here and violates no law, ruling etc. I've taken it out. Baki.d (talk) 17:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Baki.d: I'm restoring File:1959 şampiyonu Fenerbahçe Basket.jpg to the request. The deletion rationale is different but the image from 1959 and the license clearly says Turkish copyright is valid for 70 years after the creator's death, or if the creator is not known, 70 years after the date of publication. 70 years from 1959 is 2029. 19:21, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
- Works of art? Trophies are not considered works of art. They are not made as a work of art.--Rapsar (talk) 07:46, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- But, the first image has totally violation of copyrights.--Rapsar (talk) 07:48, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete all. Trophies are works of art. They serve no utilitarian purpose, and are far different than a mere salad bowl. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:12, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- Jeff, just as you said "delete all" here, you should go and ask the deletion of similar cups elsewhere, under similar CR conditions. If not, people may think that there are special rules for the cups of teams from certain countries. (Please understand the essence of what I'm trying to say here. Let's not take this out of orbit. :) Of course I'm talking about "similar" cases, not "others". Just a note. --E4024 (talk) 12:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- @E4024: I will if I notice them and the photos are not taken in countries where there is FoP for non-fixed indoor 3D artwork. Please let me know of such DRs when you find them. Perhaps a set of cats for them would help. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:41, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- Jeff, just as you said "delete all" here, you should go and ask the deletion of similar cups elsewhere, under similar CR conditions. If not, people may think that there are special rules for the cups of teams from certain countries. (Please understand the essence of what I'm trying to say here. Let's not take this out of orbit. :) Of course I'm talking about "similar" cases, not "others". Just a note. --E4024 (talk) 12:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
- BTW I vote delete for the first pic there, whose license is not clear. A newspaper item, I guess. --E4024 (talk) 12:28, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Deleted: The first is a 1959 newspaper and will be under copyright until at least 2029 and probably much longer. The other three are trophies. Trophies and awards have copyrights everywhere as sculpture. Please remember that copyright law is very broad. You may not think of trophies as sculptures, but remember that computer software is copyrighted as a literary work, which stretches the imagination even further. . Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:09, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Files in Category:Fenerbahçe SK 2
[edit]Since Hikmet Topuzer who designed the logo died in 1958 it seems as the copyright for these logos expires in 2028, if I'm not mistaken. Therefore: Delete and categorize in Category:Undelete in 2028.
Jonteemil (talk) 02:58, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
- This is a corporate logo. and the production date of this logo is 1913-14. The logos of all the clubs in the world are on Wikipedia and these logos are available to the public as "registered trademarks". Therefore, deletion of the file is an inconsistency.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenerbahce1994 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Fenerbahce1994: This is not Wikipedia. Most logos on Wikipedia, English Wikipedia, are uploaded per COM:Fair use, which Commons does not approve of.Jonteemil (talk) 04:59, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 05:49, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. --Krd 18:17, 8 January 2022 (UTC)