User talk:Sabelöga

translation

hello, ok but are you sure the "== Participants ==" code is well managed by the translation extension?--Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 21:43, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Bouzinac, maybe, maybe not, what makes you say that? --Sabelöga (talk) 21:45, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

New request for comments

Hello

I've launched a new request for comments about documentation of Q items : Wikidata:Requests for comment/How should we develop and deploy documentation for items ?.

PAC2 (talk) 18:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

What was wrong with cast member example?

I see you deleted the example I added to the cast member property. Can you explain why? UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 09:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@UWashPrincipalCataloger: I just think that it's not that relevant as we already have two American movies in the examples and the one you provided was so long. More than, say four actors, is not really needed. --Sabelöga (talk) 16:31, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

• Well the exact point of my adding the additional example was to have a non-movie example, in this case, a sound recording, to illustrate that the property can be used on other things besides films. And the point of many actors was to show that this property in particular regularly has many statements. I'd like to restore the example because it is different from a film. I don't mind if we reduce the number of actors given in it, but I did it intentionally to show that the property is usually repeated a lot in one item. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 20:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@UWashPrincipalCataloger: Oh, I see, well then I guess I'm fine with that. I do agree that it should have examples of other things than films if it's also used in those cases. --Sabelöga (talk) 22:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Format för URL av person-ID på SinemaTürk fungerar inte

Hej Sabelöga, Deine Änderung des URL-Formatierers der SinemaTürk person ID (P6255) hat leider nur wenige Tage funktioniert. Seit gestern gibt es dort für alle IDs eine Fehlermeldung wie diese. Vielleicht ist es hilfreich, wenn Du Deine Änderung wieder rückgängig machst. — Mit dem alten URL-Formatierer „http://www.sinematurk.com/kisi/$1” könnte zum Beispiel der Eintrag für Sofia Helin mit der ID „64097-sofia-helin” angezeigt werden, nur „64097” funktioniert nicht. Med vänliga hälsningar --Ontogon (talk) 11:19, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Ich verstehe, das stimmt, ich hab die Änderung rückgängig gemacht. Danke für die Hinweisung. --Sabelöga (talk) 10:44, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Länk till Aya och häxan

Hej / Du raderade SFdb-ID:t i WD, men från och med i morse (2021-05-27) fungerar länken: http://www.svenskfilmdatabas.se/sv/item/?type=film&itemid=648105 / vänliga hälsningar, Buntel

Jaha, ojdå, den fungerade inte när jag tog bort den så det var bra uppfattat. :) --Sabelöga (talk) 22:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Mönster svenska egenskapsnamn

Fundering AlternativeTo software ID (P9618) redigering 1433418993 är det inte bättre att ha tvärtom

• Label AlternativeTo programvara-ID
• Alias programvara-ID på AlternativeTo

- Salgo60 (talk) 02:40, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

@Salo60: Jag tycker det som jag la till låter bättre rent språkligt, men finns någon annan orsak att göra tvärt om? --Sabelöga (talk) 14:16, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Сomments on the edits

Please be careful with the comments on the edits. Vandalism is something else. Good luck. NoFrost (talk) 08:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@NoFrost: I see that you aren't a vandal and I appologise if you took offence. But you do realise how it seems when you remove three statements without any reason? I can understand the next/after statements but why would you remove title? Sabelöga (talk) 08:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not very good at editing wikidata. The "Featured_articles" card was displaying the wrong data - I tried to solve this issue. NoFrost (talk) 08:31, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@NoFrost: Alright, that's understandable. Out of curiousity, what "favorite article" card were you reading? Is that in the Wikipedia app? --Sabelöga (talk) 08:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Кавказская пленница, или Новые приключения Шурика. I've already found a way not to display wikidata data. NoFrost (talk) 08:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@NoFrost: I understand, that's good. But why The Diamond Arm (Q1999930)? If something follows Kidnapping, Caucasian Style (Q1953944) (because nothing really have to follow) I'm thinking it should be Ivan Vasilievich: Back to the Future (Q777739) since it's part of "Трилогия Леонида Гайдая о приключении Шурика". --Sabelöga (talk) 09:03, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

The next film that Leonid Gaidai directed was The Diamond Arm (Q1999930). The film Ivan Vasilievich: Back to the Future (Q777739) can be considered a "trilogy" only very conditionally - this is a very controversial statement. It is not a fact, it is an opinion. These films were not made as an intended "trilogy" about Shurik. The film was not made from a script (scenario) by the same authors as the first two, but from a work by Bulgakov. And unlike the first two - Shurik is not the main character there, but only a minor character. Sources that this is a "trilogy" can only be used with attribution. Since Wikidata doesn't decipher what the entry means by "next," the greatest match and the most relevant entry to the statement is the next Gaidai movie. But I don't really care. I've found a way not to translate it into an article card - so write whatever you want on Wikidata.NoFrost (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Ah, in that case the only proper sollution is to leave that statement out. They should only ever be used if they're in some kind of series, that the same character appears in all of them is not really the same. I've since removed them. Спасибо за пояснение. --Sabelöga (talk) 16:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

• Ок. — NoFrost (talk) 16:57, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Westrobothnian

Hej! Jag såg att du återställde min ändring på Westrobothnian (Q7989641). Jag hittade inget sätt att lägga till en redigeringskommentar på Wikidata, så jag kan förstå att det såg till synes omotiverat ut.

Anledningen till ändringen var att artiklarna var felkopplade. Den svenska artikeln bondska behandlar en vardaglig benämning på flera olika dialekter i Norrland, dvs inte dialekterna i sig själva, utan själva benämningen. Den engelska artikeln behandlar några, men inte alla, av själva dialekterna som går under namnet bondska.

Motsvarigheten på svenska Wikipedia var snarare artikeln västerbottniska, men den lät jag omdirigera till artikeln om norrländska mål för ett tag sedan, eftersom den var av så undermålig kvalitet, vilket också f ö kan sägas om den engelska. Lundgren8 (talk) 05:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Lundgren8: Jo jag förstår att det blir fel men båda ämnena handlar väll ändå om samma sak, bondska. Skillnaden ligger bara i hur bondska definieras. Jag har ingen riktig expertis i ämnet men att ta bort Wikipedialänken är absolut fel om den inte flyttas nån annanstans. Och om det är så att det är två olika begrepp (en dialektgrupp och en benämning på olika dialekter), så kanske det borde vara olika objekt. Eller så har engelskspråkiga Wikipedia fel. På Wikidata står det att det är en dialekt under Norrländska mål som talas i Västerbotten. Detta verkar inte stämma överens med svwp, men då kanske det borde ändras på Wikidata och enwp istället? Jag tänker bara högt nu. --Sabelöga (talk) 14:35, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Jag håller med dig. Den engelska artikeln har haft en källmall sedan 2011, och den borde egentligen enligt min mening också flytta sitt innehåll till motsvarande norrländska mål eller de enskilda artiklarna, men jag är ingen flitig redigerare på en.wp. Jag är inte heller någon van redigerare på Wikidata, men det låter som om de borde ha skilda objekt. Jag tar till mig av din kritik och får se om jag orkar styra upp detta någon gång. Lundgren8 (talk) 18:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Låter bra. --Sabelöga (talk) 23:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Hej igen! Nu har jag bestämt mig för att ta tag i detta, och jag undrar om du skulle kunna hjälpa mig att dela upp det nuvarande objektet i två, eller snarare flytta över det svenska innehållet till ett eget objekt som handlar om själva benämningen, och så kan det nuvarande objektet få handla om själva dialekterna i Västerbotten. Lundgren8 (talk) 09:37, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Lundgren8 Okej, men vad ska det nya objektet heta då? Och vad ska vi göra med det gamla objektet? Ska det vara benämningen eller tvärtom? För som jag förstår det verkar det gamla objektet behandla dialekten men inte artikeln på Wikipedia. Det bästa vore då tror jag att flytta Wikipediaartikeln till ett nytt objekt som berör benämningen (eller dialektgruppen som jag antar vi kommer kalla objektet). Ska båda heta bondska?

Ett annat problem är hur vi sa hantera identifierarna. Jag tror det bästa är att låta dom ligga där dom gör. Frågan är då om bondska faktiskt är samma sak som Westrobothnian. Sabelöga (talk) 12:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Jag har nu gjort detta: Westrobothnian (Q7989641) och Q112960314. Blev det bättre? Sabelöga (talk) 12:25, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

NRK TV ID

Hei. Vet ikke om denne kan være nyttig. En liste over noen, men ikke alle, programmer og serier som NRK har produsert. Har fylt inn noen få allerede. --Infrastruktur wdt:P31 wd:Q5 (T | C) 16:49, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

#title:NRK TV ID 
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?itemDescription ?nrkid WHERE {
  { ?item (wdt:P449|wdt:P162) wd:Q190238. }
  UNION
  { ?item (wdt:P449|wdt:P162) wd:Q1025656. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P9979 ?nrkid. }
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "nb,en". }
}

NRK TV ID

Bra initiativ @Infrastruktur:  Like. Själv skapade jag denna query för program som NRK producerat som SAKNAR NRK TV ID (P9979). Vet aldrig om den kommer till användning. --Sabelöga (talk) 22:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE]". }
  {
    SELECT DISTINCT ?item WHERE {
      {
        ?item p:P449 ?statement0.
        ?statement0 (ps:P449/(wdt:P279*)) wd:Q190238.
      }
      UNION
      {
        ?item p:P162 ?statement1.
        ?statement1 (ps:P162/(wdt:P279*)) wd:Q190238.
      }
      UNION
      {
        ?item p:P449 ?statement2.
        ?statement2 (ps:P449/(wdt:P279*)) wd:Q1025656.
      }
      UNION
      {
        ?item p:P449 ?statement3.
        ?statement3 (ps:P449/(wdt:P279*)) wd:Q1025663.
      }
      MINUS {
        ?item p:P9979 ?statement4.
        ?statement4 (ps:P9979) _:anyValueP9979.
      }
    }
    LIMIT 100
  }
}

Try it!

Takk. Jeg kommer nok til å legge inn data fra disse spørringene. Jeg ser User:Premeditated mest sannsynlig har "skrapet" NRK sin nettside for å lage en Mix&Match katalog for NRK TV ID også, over 4700 oppføringer. --Infrastruktur wdt:P31 wd:Q5 (T | C) 22:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Intressant. Sabelöga (talk) 23:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

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Kholoudsaa (talk) 22:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Help with link

I cannot link this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEGOGO on Wikidata to other languages (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4043924) could you please help me with this? --Active person (talk) 15:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Active person Sure, already done! :) What happened when you tried to do it? Sabelöga (talk) 15:07, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Youtube links

(Please state on your userpage that you know English; I already wrote this message in Russian and had to re-write it.)

Why are you adding such links to Youtube? They are clear copyright violations. See also Wikidata:Project chat#Youtube links to feature films (permalink). Thanks. Gikü (talk) 09:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I replied on Project chat. (By the way, I don't want to show English in the Babel box on my User page because then English would show up as a label language, and I'm trying to avoid that. If you know a way for me to remove English as a label language without removing it from the Babel box, please tell me, because I see the benefits of showing it in the Babel.) Sabelöga (talk) 10:49, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I replied there, too. Sorry for misunderstanding.

Regarding the Babel question, I'd love to help, but I'm not sure what you mean by "label language". Gikü (talk) 11:24, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

What I mean is that if I use en-4 for example in my babelbox, English will show up in the labels box on an item. For instance, I now have sv-N, en-4, nb-3, nn-2, da-2, ru-2, de-2, fr-1 in my babelbox, this means that Sweden (Q34) will show the labels in those languages in the labels box. While you for example have ro-N, en-3, ru-3, uk-1 in your babelbox, which I guess means these languages will be shown in the labels box when you view an item. Sabelöga (talk) 13:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Huh, Today I Learned! I've just looked at Preferences and it looks like you're right, there is a checkbox mentioning languages from Babel being used in internationalization. Anyway, it was just an inconvenience for me, and easily correctable. If you want to mention English proficiency not through Babel I guess you can just write about it on the userpage, or include {{User en-3}} (for example) directly. Gikü (talk) 18:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

My userpage now mentions this. Anyway, thanks! Sabelöga (talk) 19:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Wrong country

Hello, I've seen several times, that you have changed place of publication (P291) from Germany (Q183) to West Germany (Q713750). This is wrong. Q713750 is no country, it is only a part of German history. They label might confuse. Correct is Germany (Q183) (founded in 1949 and still in existence). Please don't change this again. Thank you. -- 109.43.178.80 08:35, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I can see where this is coming from but is it really correct? Also, if it is, should we be using the item German Democratic Republic (Q16957) for films that where released inside this country? In my eyes it looks better with West Germany (Q713750) and West Germany (Q713750) but I can see that it's technically wrong. Sabelöga (talk) 13:39, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

titles

Titles have a language. Labels are the "titles" of the Wikidata item and have not. There are templates showing Wikidata items with original title (and its language) and (if that one is not German) one more (first found or preferably German) title (and its language if not German). Films and books are real world objects that have titles. These are kept in Wikidata object title properties. If shown in Germany they have a German title as well. This one is shown in (reusable) Wikipedia references. Do not delete them! Vollbracht (talk) 02:17, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vollbracht No, from what I can desipher from previous discussion on the matter and from how it's actually used on other items, title (P1476) should only contain the original title of the work. See the property's discussion page Property talk:P1476. Also, nothing is stopping you on deWiki from using the item's label instead. Just like we do on svWiki, see sv:Mall:Faktamall film WD for instance. Sabelöga (talk) 17:12, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

de:Liste von Märchenfilmen

Title has lang

label has not! -- Vollbracht (talk) 20:51, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vollbracht What do you mean? Sabelöga (talk) 20:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

de:Vorlage:FilmRef shows title (preferrably the German one) and original title if available. In all cases the language of the title is requested. This is not the only template doing so.

The lable of a Wikidata item may or may not be copy or a translation of the title of a real life object it describes. It's not my job to analyze labels whether or not they might be the language specific title. They need not. There are enough examples out there where by good reasons lable and title differ. Vollbracht (talk) 21:37, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vollbracht Well then, that's where the problem lies. The Template shouldn't use the property title (P1476) for German titles since the property only should contain the original title. The template should instead use the item's German label. Sabelöga (talk) 22:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

No! It should. Who's decision was it that labels should do the job of the title? And what should the value original title (Q1294573) intended for object of statement has role (P3831) be good for then?

Real life objects may or may not have titles. If they have these may or may not be language specific. This makes a description of a title necessary in some cases. Especially film titles may or may not be in the language of the film. In some cases it's a good idea to have separate items for slightly altered real life objects. Not with films! Films have external identifiers that do not distinguish between the original and the one newly set to sound in a different language. So it necessarily is the same Wikidata item describing a single real life object with an American and a simplified Chinese title.

Once more I ask you: what's your aim in this? Is Wikidata intended to be good for Wikidata only? And if not, what's the aim of modelling the data the way you try to? I gave you my reasons. Now give me yours! Vollbracht (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vollbracht This is what I understand from reading the property's discussion page Property talk:P1476. Also, Wikidata is not a project to specifically support Wikipedia, it supports alot of other projects as well as being a source of information on its own, so we need to not only look at what benefits Wikipedia.

A film dubbed in German will still have the same original title, that won't change, it's the same film just translated into a different language. We have some items for translated versions of films (such as Zootrópolis (Q24510191) or Zoomania (Q28035758)) which then are put on the original item using the property has edition or translation (P747). See Zootopia (Q15270647) for example.

The point is that the base item Zootopia (Q15270647) is for the Film in it self and not about all its translated versions so that's why title (P1476) is only used for original titles.

We still use labels to tell which film an item is for using the local name for that film for example the Swedish title Ensam hemma for the film Home Alone even if there isn't an item for the Swedish "version" of this film. This is why the German Wikipedia should use the German labels instead of the erronously used property title (P1476). Sabelöga (talk) 22:57, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Didn't I talk about external identifiers? Your way of modelling probably does work for some items other than films. But in our example the German template expands {{FilmRef|wdFilm=Q43231040}} to

<ref>Film von Mikkel Sandemose: Espen & die Legende vom Bergkönig. Norwegen 2017, TMDb: 444090, OFDb.de: 307366, IMDb: tt5628418, Moviepilot: espen-und-die-legende-vom-bergkoenig (Original: Askeladden - I Dovregubbens hall, Norwegisch, wd)</ref>

Neither of these external identifiers could be entered in both: the item describing the original and in one of its versions. And what if a wiki describes a film? Obviously the wiki will be linked to the Wikidata item itself, not to a language specific version. Otherwise different language wikis wouldn't know of each other.

Neither you nor any template developer will be able to solve these problems resulting of exaggeratedly complicated data modelling on your own (at least the second one).

No! In this world there are objects with more than one title. Deal with that fact. Vollbracht (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

By the way: nevertheless thank you for the example of Zoomania (Q28035758) although it doesn't show a real solution. It's a base on which we might start searching one. You might describe the programmatical steps to proceed for to make wikis access the current language title and point to the corresponding foreign language wikis and to external database entries when sticking to this model. Vollbracht (talk) 00:06, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh and I didn't react on your statement: "We still use labels to tell which film an item is for using the local name for that film for example the Swedish title Ensam hemma for the film Home Alone even if there isn't an item for the Swedish "version" of this film. This is why the German Wikipedia should use the German labels instead of the erronously used property Titel (P1476)." But it obviously ignored the first lines of my reply from 01-15, 22:22! Still you do so and you may. But remember my entry statement. If you store the language specific title in the label field, that's no reason why others should do so as well. The title property is designed to be able to store the titles and it can do so better than the label field. If the label field is "erroneously" used to store the title we aren't free to find a more fitting label to identify the real life object itself in case of need. Vollbracht (talk) 00:38, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vollbracht Well, if that template gets the German name from the title (P1476) then I suggest that you change that to get the label from German language label that already exist because that property should only be used for original title. I did a little experiment with the template in my sandbox and it looks just fine to me without the German title in the property title (P1476) so I don't really see why it's needed to begin with?

External identifiers that should be unique should only exist on one item. If you look at the example I gave with Zootropolis then that's how others have solved this issue. The interwiki links should still all be on the main item since they otherwise won't be interlinked.

I understand that a work can have many different titles across alot of distributors, countries and translations, that's what we have labels for after all! But like I have stated before the property title (P1476) is used for original title. If you want to use the work's German title you would have to get it from the label.

I don't know what else I can say about this, if you still have any questions, you can ask them on the property's discussion page. Sabelöga (talk) 20:15, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Do we probably go round in circles? If a title is an original title than it gets Originaltitel (Q1294573) set in Objekt fungiert als (P3831). Otherwise it's just a title. If title were intended to always be the original title it had got this name. But it hasn't. Title is title. Lable is lable. Lable may reflect the original title, the local title, the wiki page name or whatever. It's a property of the Wikidata item. Every Wikidata item has one. It's no matter of technical definition but of interpretation to take the label for title if the item happens to describe a real life object that uses to have more than one title.

As you stated above even the title property of a German translation of an English book should be the English original title. So there wouldn't be any means to qualify a German title at all. I cannot accept this.

title (P1476) is Wikidata property (P1687) of title (Q783521) AND original title (Q1294573). I do need it now and I will need it in future for various titles with various qualifiers. Vollbracht (talk) 11:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

@Vollbracht I do believe we are going in circles yes. I've mentioned this on the property's talk page for clarification. Sabelöga (talk) 18:01, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Mixing releases

Hello, it is fine, that you're adding missing release dates according to Filmdienst. But then, do it right and precise. I've seen several times that you don't know some additions at the date e.g. this one. You don't know the German television channels and their abbreviations. For you it might be equal if a Swedish film was shown on a festival, in cinema or in television, so I don't care either. But the German releases have been expanded and corrected over the years and there is a good overview in the German wikipedia about the films with theatrical release[1] and there is a precise work needed. You're making errors enough, for example you've deleted Astrid Lindgren as screenwriter in several films with source SFDB given. That the SFDB is not correct or something is missing doesn't come into your mind. And it is absolutely unnecessary to be arrogant. Sincerely  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 46.114.221.163 (talk • contribs).

Well then, if something needs to be done I'd appreciate it if you told WHAT the problem was and HOW to fix it instead of just accusing me of being arrogant and continue to accuse me of not thinking about things. This behaviour is just rude, you can stop this immediately. Also, who is this? You didn't leave any signature. Please appnedix your future comments with four tildes (~) if you're using the Respond feature.

To your point, I can absolutely see that it would be needed to stated that cinematic movie only was released in a country on television. I had previously never seen that on an item so I hadn't thought of that as a problem since it's just released. --Sabelöga (talk) 21:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Obegripliga Wikidatamallar!

Hej! Kan du lägga in Sara Shirpey in 2023.jpg åt mig i Wikidatamallen. Har letat i timmar efter en ingång för att lägga in en bild och bildtext men mallarna är obegripligt och ologiskt uppbyggda för en utomstående. Ofantligt lättare att redigera direkt på wikipediasidan. Tänkte först radera Wikidatamallen och lägga in en enkel personmall i artikeln istället. Men om du kan fixa in bilden ändå så koncentrerar jag mig på annat. Bästa wp-hälsningar / FrankieF (talk) 01:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hejhej, @FrankieF vardå? Är det i Wikipediaartikeln du menar så kanske Ariam redan har åtgärdat det.

Men, vad var det som var obegripligt? Försökte du lägga till bilden på Wikidata som var problemet eller var det Wikidata-mallen på Wikipedia som inte ville samarbeta? Sabelöga (talk) 13:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Hallå igen! Ariam hann före dig, såg jag. Problemet är att jag aldrig hittar VAR jag ska lägga in en bild. Det finns ju ingen färdig plats för detta som i en vanlig personmall i en artikel. Varför måste man ha Wikidata-mallar. Är det inte bättre att jobba i enkla personmallar så att fler kan redigera i artiklarna? Wikidata är alldeles för komplicerat för vanliga användare. /FrankieF (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@FrankieF Jag tror jag förstår hur du tänker men du behöver ju inte lägga in bilden på Wikidata för att visa den i Wikidatamallen, utan du kan lägga in bilden direkt i mallen med parametern |bild=. Poängen med att ha Wikidatamallar är att inte behöva dubbelarbeta genom att slippa manuellt behöva lägga till exempelvis en bild om det redan finns på Wikidata. Med det sagt kan man alltid åsidosätta hämtningen från Wikidata och lägga in en bild, eller annan parameter, manuellt. På så sätt kan jag som föredrar att lägga in allt på Wikidata och sedan låta mallen hämta därifrån göra så och du (som jag tolkar det) lägga in uppgifterna manuellt med, förhoppningsvis, samma eller snarlikt resultat och samma mall. Sabelöga (talk) 23:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Tack!👍 / FrankieF (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Ronny och Julia i rampljuset

Att länkar visar fel information är ingen anledning till att ta bort länken. Jag har nu, hur som helst, rättat årtalet i Fandom-Wiki. J 1982 (talk) 20:31, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

SVT:s julkalenderspel

Jag tog bort nummerordningen efter att det verkar finnas fler spel än jag först trodde, och jag blev osäker på vilka som räknas och inte. (även om man bortser från uppföljare). Till exempel verkar det ha släppts två spel direkt baserade på julkalenderserien vissa år (bland annat 2007, och jag är osäker på vilka som räknas som officiella och inte). J 1982 (talk) 16:40, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

@J 1982 Jag förstår, det är som du säjer kanske inte helt lämpligt eller möjligt eftersom det åtminstånde just det året finns två spel. Se här för en överblick över julkalenderspelen som jag själv skrivit sv:Användare:Sabelöga/Julkalendrar_i_Norden/Datorspel. Kan ju alltid ha missat något men försöker gå igen den en efter en. Bara några kvar nu. Sabelöga (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Vad menar du förresten med officiella? Alla är ju licensierade av SVT. Annars är det ju fan-spel. Sabelöga (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Inför fotbolls-VM har det ibland släppts flera spel, som alla godkänts av konsoltillverkaren (och därmed inte är fanspel), men bara ett av spelen har räknats som det officiella VM-spelet, och godkänts av FIFA. Men om båda julkalenderspelen 2007 godkänts av SVT, får väl båda räknas som officiella antar jag. J 1982 (talk) 22:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Intressant jämförelse. Jag tror inte den sortens otydlighet någonsin kommer uppstå med SVT med tanke på vad som hände 1998. Sabelöga (talk) 00:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

En sak dock. Är verkligen Sveriges Radio's Christmas Calendar games (Q124312806) en serie? Den innehåller ju bara ett spel så vitt vi vet, eller finns det fler spel som vi bara ännu inte har lagt till. Sabelöga (talk) 00:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Jag trodde det fanns fler spel, eftersom du inledde din lista 1995. J 1982 (talk) 09:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Jo, jag kopierade listan från sv:julkalendern i Sveriges Television och man måste ju börja någonstans för jag trodde själv det skulle finnas fler spel som bygger på radiokalendrarna. Å andra sidan så har jag inte letat så noga det kanske det gör. Sabelöga (talk) 14:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Astrid Silverlock

I Astrid Silverlock (Q124861370) anger du flera publication date (P577) men borde det inte vara enbart ett med värdet "inget värde" eftersom den alldrig blev färdig? Maundwiki (talk) 12:04, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Bta tänkt! Det borde det nog vara ja. Ett "inget värde" för att den aldrig släppts blir ju logiskt. Sabelöga (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Alltså alla planerade men inte genomförda + "inget värde". Sabelöga (talk) 17:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Ulf Larsson

Dina redigeringar 17 september 2024. I wikipedia bild tilllagd 14:30 bortagen 14:31 och tillagd på wikidata 14:30 men togs inte bort på wikidata i samband med att den togs bort på svwp 17 september 2024. Om det är fel på ett ställe bör allt rättas. Maundwiki (talk) 21:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Maundwiki Ojdå, där tabbade jag mej. Såg dock att @Kitayama redan tagit bort den. Tack för rättelse från er båda! Sabelöga (talk) 21:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Wrong use of Property distribution format (P437)

The distribution format (P437) is for distrubution by media type like DVD, Blu-Ray or video tape. Further on is an extra mentioning of "theatrical release" for nationwide releases also unnecessary and wrong, so my edits have been correct. The right use of P437 hasn't been changed and is still in the object. Regards -- Plexci (talk) 17:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Aha, so we're making assumptions. Gottcha! Sabelöga (talk) 17:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Flaggor

Är den rödblå flaggan i Julbåten Juliana Haiti eller Liechtenstein? Inget av länderna verkar ha haft en sådan flagga år 1961 utan märke. Det enda avsnittet som finns att se är Danmark i SVT:s öppna arkiv. J 1982 (talk) 22:33, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@J 1982 Med tanke på att Haiti är "exotiskt" och skulle kunna användas som resmål eller exportland för någon vara och Liechtenstein inte är känt för något sä är det rimligare att det är Haiti som åsyftas. Dessutom använde Haiti den flaggan vid den här tidpunkten och ändrade till den nuvarande 1986 medan Liechtenstein bytte 1921. Sabelöga (talk) 23:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Jag tänkte också på Haiti först (ganska självklart ur ett sjöfartsperspektiv), men tänkte att man kan ju faktiskt nå kustlösa Liechtenstein med båt från Nordsjön och via Rhenfloden. Bör det kollas upp med någon som sett hela serien? J 1982 (talk) 13:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@J 1982 Jo, precis jag skulle nog tryggt utgå ifrån Haiti. Det borde ju vara Haiti eftersom det bara var dom som använde den flaggan vid tidpunkten och det är det enda av dom två tilltänkta länderna som rimligen skulle kunna änkas nås via båt (eller mera av ett skepp antar jag det är, en stor båt annars, jag har inte sett serien).

Men det vore ju ändå intressant att veta vad som finns bakom luckorna? Lucka 19 innanför ramen har ett fiskstim som illustration. Kanske hämtades julfisk, lutfisk härifrån? Kanske något att fråga Gotlands museum om? Dom anmärker att kalendern har öppnats. Eller kanske någon av dom som samlar på papperskalendrar?

Tack förresten för att lägger till illustrationer till julkalendrarnas objekt på Wikidata. Någonting man absolut borde gjort själv när jag laddade upp bilderna, men det måste ha glömts bort mellan illustreringen av Wikipedias artiklar och allt annat med Commons.   Sabelöga (talk) 17:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Vet du hur man skriver texter på olika språk intui bilderna i Wikimedia Commons? Om det står "God jul, alla barn önskar Sveriges Radio" skulle jag vilja kunna skriva vad som står på flera olika språk (till exempel svenska för de som kan svenska men har svårt att se, engelska för de som kan engelska men inte svenska och så vidare). J 1982 (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@J 1982 Hm, tja man skulle kunna tänka sig att använda {{LangSwitch}} och däri skriva ut texten och/eller olika översättningar. Sabelöga (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)