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Best regards! Ajraddatz (Talk) 18:22, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Merging items

Hallo Moumou82,

For merging items, you may want to use the Merge.js gadget. It helps you nominating and makes it a lot easier for the admins to process the requests.

With regards, - - (Cycn/talk) 17:58, 31 December 2013 (UTC) ...Like merging Q11604459 and Q7179393. For more information and other options you can also check the help page about merging. - cycŋ - (talk) 07:13, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Minuscule

Salut, Moumou82. Contrairement à Wikipédia, le titre des articles commencent par une minuscule, sauf s'il s'agit d'un nom propre. C'est expliqué ici. --Fralambert (talk) 23:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Pays

Bonjour Moumou82, Je voulais savoir comment on mets le pays de nationalité ou propriété semblables pour la Tunisie. À quel moment de l'histoire commence la Tunisie actuelle ? en 1956 ? en 1957 ? en supposant qu'entre les deux il y a eu le fr:Royaume_de_Tunisie ? Que dire si un journal a été édité en 1930 ? fr:Protectorat_français_de_Tunisie ou fr:Régence de Tunis ? Bref, j'ose pas éditer cette propriété parce que c'est flou. Il faudrait peut-être se mettre d'accord sur comment remplir cette case sur wikidata pour la Tunisie. --Helmoony (talk) 17:13, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

@Helmoony: Bonjour, je pense qu'on peut raisonnablement mettre "Tunisie" dès 1956. Avant 1956, les Tunisiens ont le statut d'indigènes, donc difficile de mettre "Protectorat français de Tunisie" vu que la propriété indique "État dont la personne possède la nationalité" ; "Régence de Tunis" me semble plus pertinent vu qu'ils restent des sujets du bey même sous le protectorat. Moumou82 (talk) 13:30, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Liens morts

Bonjour Moumou, J'ai remarqué que tu enlevais le lien du site officiel quand il n'était plus accessible sur la toile [1] [2] [3]. Pourtant cette information reste pertinente. Un jour peut-être un bot va identifier ces liens et rajouter un lien d'archive. Dans cette discussion Property_talk:P856, ça à l'air qu'ils n'ont pas encore trouver de solution pour distinguer l'archive du lien actif. Mais ça viendra. --Helmoony (talk) 09:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

@Helmoony: Bonjour, c'est bien noté. Le problème c'est que ces liens apparaissent dans les infoboxes sur WP en français et qu'ils ne fonctionnent plus sans qu'un lien d'archivage ne soit disponible. Moumou82 (talk) 18:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Ahmed Cherif

I'm going to copy and paste the same thing I said to someone else a few days ago: Hi. I hope you don't mind if I talk to you in English. Mon français est très mauvais. The French Wikipedia entry for fr:Ahmed Cherif was vandalized a while ago. I've been tracking a vandal at en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Aliabbashiraqi79 for months. You can't really trust any birth date on Wikipedia for Middle Eastern people because this cross-wiki vandal has been changing them. I revert him when I see him, but I miss a lot of it. So, sometimes Wikidata gets vandalized data from English Wikipedia, French Wikipedia, or Arabic Wikipedia. For this reason, it's best not to import data from Wikipedia into Wikidata. Use reliable sources, like books or newspapers or whatever. Too much of Wikipedia has been vandalized. I think it's better we have no data than unsourced data, especially when there's a cross-wiki vandal going around changing stuff. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:41, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata

Ahla Moumou82, Je viens de voir ta liste. Oui c'est intéressant pour une première fois de revoir toute la liste. D'après ce que je sais il y a des bots qui mettent directement la description selon les déclarations (ex fictif : nationalité Tunisie, métier joueur de football devient dans la description joueur de football tunisien). Dans la liste il y beaucoup de villages, ils n'ont pas été identifiés par ces bots parce qu'ils ont des infos très vagues sur leur page wikidata (ex. pays Tunisie mais nature de l'élément établissement humain au lieu de village). Bref en plus d'écrire la description mieux vaut rajouter ville/village/.. dans la nature de l'élément. Pour ce qui est des libellés, est-ce qu'on peut faire une traduction littérale des noms arabes des villages ou il faut avoir la dénomination officielle en français. De toute façon je vais commencer par ce qui n'est pas villages ou bien seulement changer établissement humain en village avant.--Helmoony (talk) 16:47, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

@Helmoony: Bonjour, on pourrait utiliser une base de données comme celles des codes postaux. Si l'article en arabe mentionne le gouvernorat (ou si celui-ci peut être retrouvé via la localisation), on doit pouvoir trouver le nom "officiel" selon la poste. Moumou82 (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Le bot ne semble pas très actif, même si je l'ai forcé à mettre à jour la page. Bref, il me reste les villes et villages tunisiens je devrais me concentrer sur ça bientôt. --

Tunisian geographic code

Bonjour Moumou82, Je voulais t'informer qu'on vient de créer une propriété pour les codes géographiques tunisiens Wikidata:Property proposal/Tunisian geographic code qui commence à peine à être utiliser. Je suis entrain de finaliser ça pour les gouvernorats. Bref, ça serait intéressant pour les modèles liés à la géo de la Tunisie sur le wiki fr qu'ils contiennent une ligne à ce sujet. Je suis entrain sur la wiki ar si je pourrais faire afficher ça. --Helmoony (talk) 04:56, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Helmoony: Bonjour, merci pour le signalement. J'ai ajouté la propriété sur les infoboxes Gouvernorat, Délégation et Ville et le code apparaît désormais lorsqu'il est renseigné sur Wikidata. Moumou82 (talk) 20:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Merci, j'ai rajouté une référence à chaque fois pour les gouvernorats. Pour les 264 délégations, je vais laisser ça en stand by. C'est trop long et manuel. --Helmoony (talk) 03:42, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Sources, and restoring vandalism that has been removed

Please do not restore content that is not properly sourced. There's a cross-wiki vandal who changes dates on Arabic Wikipedia and English Wikipedia, then imports his vandalism here so that it spreads to other wikis. You're restoring his vandalism when you make edits like at Q12237238. It's a pain for me to remove all his vandalism, and you're just making it harder. When you see content sourced to Wikipedia itself, please do NOT restore it. Per Help:Sources: "Please note that while pages on Wikipedia (and other Wikimedia sites) should and can be added as sitelinks, they are not appropriate as sources for Wikidata statements." NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@NinjaRobotPirate: Thank you for your message but the Arabic Wikipedia article has a source. I have thus restored the year of birth only, as the Arabic Wikipedia source mentions it as well as the French-speaking source I have added under Q12237238. Moumou82 (talk) 19:03, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

The citations and dates added by this vandal are sometimes (but not always) fake. If you verify that the sources are reliable and the dates are not vandalism, that's fine. But please watch out for his vandalism. It is very sneaky, and, like I said, it can include fake citations. I don't know why he does this, but he's been doing it for something a year now. You can see some of the sock puppetry investigation at en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Aliabbashiraqi79, but, now that I'm an administrator on English Wikipedia, I mostly just block him on sight. If you have checkuser access, there's also an entry about him on the checkuser wiki. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Translation request

Hello.

Can you translate and upload the article en:Football in Azerbaijan and en:Template:Football in Azerbaijan in Arabic Wikipedia?

They do not need to be long.

Yours sincerely, Matricatria (talk) 09:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

@Matricatria: Hello,

Per my user page, I do not speak Arabic so I am not able to help with your request. Moumou82 (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, for my mistake. Matricatria (talk) 06:43, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Merci - Noircir Wikidata

Merci Moumou82 d'avoir participé aux formations Noircir Wikidata du mois de juin.

Si tu veux retrouver le wikidata project créé lors du dernier ateliers sur lequel nous pouvons dorénavant regrouper les prochaines query, questions et éléments en relation avec les thématiques Noircir, il suffit de cliquer sur l'image à gauche ou ICI. La page de discussion de ce projet nous permet également de rester en contact. Inscrits-toi au wikidata project pour rester au courant des prochains ateliers et nouveautés du wikidata project.

Continuons de Noircir ensembles!

Galahmm (talk) 12:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

P131 de Q12248972

Salut,

Je ne suis pas bien sûr de comprendre ce que tu as fait en mai dernier sur Kasbah Street (Q12248972) (et d'autres éléments). Si je comprends bien, tu as remplacé Tunis (Q3572) (la ville) par Tunis Governorate (Q328109) (le gouvernorat) : Special:Diff/1176791014 et Special:Diff/1176797109. Or, on utilise en général la valeur la plus précise (la ville plutôt que la région). Serait-ce une erreur ou une exception ?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 15:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: Salut, c'est une erreur. Comment je peux sortir les cas où un governorate of Tunisia (Q690084) est indiqué dans ce champ ? Moumou82 (talk) 19:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, je te laisse corriger .

Tu peux trouver la liste avec la requête suivante :

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P131 wd:Q328109.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}

Try it!

Tous ne sont pas forcément à retirer (par exemple pour les villes, c'est normal : le gouvernorat est bien l'échelon directement supérieur) mais je vois plusieurs éléments qui sont à corriger (des bâtiments, des institutions et des rues par exemple ; éventuellement tu peux ajouter une condition à la requête ci-dessus pour affiner les résultats). Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 20:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: Y a moyen d'avoir tous les gouvernorats d'un coup ? Moumou82 (talk) 20:10, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Bien sûr :

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?gouv ?gouvLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P131 ?gouv .
  ?gouv wdt:P31 wd:Q690084 .
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "fr". }
}

Try it!

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 21:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: Salut, je pense avoir résolu le problème sauf que j'ai vu des cas où located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) n'est pas une administrative territorial entity (Q56061) ou une de ses sous-classes, comment puis-je les trouver facilement pour les corriger ? Moumou82 (talk) 14:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Aurais-tu un exemple que je vois bien de quoi tu parles ? Sinon, je pense qu'une requête comme celle-ci correspond plus ou moins à ton besoin :

SELECT ?item ?itemLabel WHERE {
  ?item wdt:P17 wd:Q948 .
  ?item wdt:P131 ?loc .
  MINUS { ?loc wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q56061 }
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}

Try it!

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 14:54, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

C'est tout bon, merci ! Moumou82 (talk) 11:02, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Authority control

Hi! I've just noticed that here you have inserted BAV using old Vatican Library ID (former scheme) (P1017) instead of Vatican Library VcBA ID (P8034); it may be due to the use of User:Magnus Manske/authority control.js (the problem has already been reported, but it is still there). I suggest you to use User:Bargioni/moreIdentifiers in order to easily and quickly copy authority control IDs from VIAF ID (P214), managing correctly BAV. To enable it you can add to your common.js:

importScript( 'User:Bargioni/moreIdentifiers defaultconf.js' );
importScript( 'User:Bargioni/moreIdentifiers.js' );

Ask me if you have any doubt. Bye, --Epìdosis 10:09, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

notable work (P800) vs filmography (P1283)

Hello Moumou82, you're adding films as notable work (P800) to film persons like a filmography. This is not correct. Besides one can find the films with the feature "What links here" you can add a list of films by using filmography (P1283) and here a film list. notable work (P800) is no alternative for this. The other posibillity is by using award received (P166) or nominated for (P1411). At e.g. Jack Nicholson (Q39792) you can see how to handle this. Regards

Hello, unless I am mistaken, filmography (P1283) does not allow to list films, it allows a single element called XXX filmography, which itself does not contain any list (would just refer to potential WP articles on the topic). Hence, in the instance we are referring to, these articles do not exist, so creating the XXX filmography element and integrating it through filmography (P1283) would be useless. On top of this, I do not see anywhere that notable work (P800) excludes films, neither through the talk page nor through constraints. Can you point me to a reference on this topic? Moumou82 (talk) 16:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

May be I am misunderstood. filmography (P1283) does not mean that you can add films there, it means you can add a list of films. The above given example to Jack Nicholson (Q39792) shows it, there is Jack Nicholson filmography (Q10753603). For further information see Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Properties. ;)

I confirm I got you right but Jack Nicholson filmography (Q10753603) does not include any film either. If there is no WP article associated to it, that would actually list films, what is the point of creating it and associating it to relevant biographies? Moumou82 (talk) 17:13, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that's it. But you see his notable works under award received (P166) and nominated for (P1411), all other is filmography and this is content of a seperate list. I think you want that some films are found but there is "what links here" as well as the reasonator you'll find on the left side -- page information -- and here External tools -- Reasonator e.g. Nour Hajri. In these given films she was partizipant but hasn't won any awards or was nominated for, so it is not notable in the sense of the word. But, to go to the extreme, do you think then that all "notable films" have to be added to Jack Nicholson's item? Who takes the choice what notable is or not? -

Well, we list all actors in the items about films so the opposite, listing all films for an actor, would have seem logical to me but apparently it is not. Moumou82 (talk) 17:42, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for this, but this is indeed the case. -

STOP ! ! !

Stop immediately removing country of citizenship (P27) from persons like here. What's the matter with you? -

A lot individuals were born before 1956 but show Tunisia as country of citizenship (P27), however it was not an independent country at the time. I am thus updating this to include the correct entities depending on the time period. I start by removing Tunisia, then adding the right entity (ongoing right now). I will then make a QC for the few individuals that fall in between different entities (such as this example). Moumou82 (talk) 18:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

country of citizenship (P27) is different from citizen from - to or place of birth (P19) see Sophia Loren (Q43252). Your batch is wrong. -

So how do you explain errors marked on this item for hundreds of individuals because Tunisia is an inaccurate entity compared to the period they lived? Moumou82 (talk) 18:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

By the way, Sophia Loren (Q43252) is not an appropriate example, Italy and France both existed in 1934. This was not the case for Tunisia. I refer you to the reply from Gymnicus for your noticeboard message. Moumou82 (talk) 18:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

When she was born it was Kingdom of Italy (Q172579) but she is Italian now. This is wrong because he is still Tunisian, may be you mean not living people or died before 1956, but country of citizenship is actuell and NOW. -

You refer to another case but does not explain why I have found multiple error messages for the case of Tunisia. Moumou82 (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

« Ibtissem Chachou » (Q115251280)

Bonjour, Je ne comprends pas pourquoi vous avez enlevé l'une des deux versions du prénom de Q115251280, puisque les deux versions en alphabet arabe et en alphabet latin sont largement attestées. Cordialement. Alain Schneider (talk) 18:34, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Bonjour,

Ce n'est pas évident qu'il y a une différence au premier abord quand on parle du même prénom. Dans ce cas, chaque élément devrait avoir autant de doublons qu'il y d'alphabets pour le désigner. Moumou82 (talk) 08:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)