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Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59030 From: BA Date: 01/11/2011

Subject: MAM
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59033 From: San Johnson Date: 01/11/2011
Subject: Re: MAM
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Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59072 From: super_romeman Date: 02/11/2011
Subject: Re: MAM
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59076 From: [email protected] Date: 02/11/2011
Subject: Re: MAM
Subject: Re: MAM
Subject: DOD not MAM
Subject: MAM and...
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66602 From: Michael LiGekko Date: 19/11/2013
Subject: Re: MAM and...
Subject: MAM
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66644 From: John Date: 25/11/2013
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Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66645 From: Isaac Court Date: 25/11/2013
Subject: Re: MAM
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66647 From: Helio Date: 25/11/2013
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Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66648 From: LLBAKER Date: 25/11/2013
Subject: Re: MAM
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Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66651 From: NickH Date: 25/11/2013
Subject: Re: MAM
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66653 From: nealucd Date: 25/11/2013
Subject: Re: MAM
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Subject: MAM
A lil note, Gann "codes" the MAM cycle a lil different than the others in his book Tunnel. He
does this to "throw individuals off."
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Kylie Jerg <kylie@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,
This sounds very ominous, if the worst comes to the worst and whatever you are suggesting may happen
happens - what time frame are you talking days, weeks, months, a year ? I am assuming you mean a total
meltdown of glabal markets and economies?
Thanks,
Kylie
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher

Locke
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 2:52 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: [wheelsinthesky] October 28th has passed

Everyone is looking with blinkers on. Everyone seems to be blinded by the very short term swings. Can’t
see the wood from the trees. We are making history and yet no-one seems to be giving these big dates.
The financial system is under threat and it could be now. I have warned and said what I was doing in
markets to prepare for this. I expect $ to be heading substantially higher as the Aussie (commodity
currency) stopped on the 1st rally exactly where it should late last week. We are heading into disaster
where the livelihood of those who use the markets to earn a living could soon cease. FED may have to
intervene. If anyone has anything to say over this privately then please email me.
Kind regards Chris
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [wheelsinthesky] October 28th has passed
Very helpful Chris... thanks for the explanation....
May have something to do with how strong the DX was today.
This run up so-far just looks like a pop up...unless we can get
closes over 77.15....have target of 72.25 before any real
rally in the DX.
Yes, agree...good luck to all we are going to need it...thinking
maybe someplace where they speak French could be ideal. Anyone
know any good looking French women to help with the linguistics.

Jack
From: Christopher Locke <chris@...>

To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
Jack,
I can’t expand.
At this time those that trade in US have to have faith in the segregated accounts and clearing system of
the US futures . SEC today as I understand ruled that nothing in the futures accounts could be paid out
today and no positions transferred from MF Global. I was not permitted to transfer positions while the
CME on the other hand said was possible. SEC I am told overrules. Liquidation only. No problem if
system is working and accounts and monies will very soon be transferred to a new broker. If not it won’t
be just MFGlobal in a problem. What worries me is the cycle I have and have warned about prior to this
date often enough.
Good luck everyone.
Chris


Chris...
Can you expand on this a little...maybe we need to seriously think
about trading from somewhere else.
Jack

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:42 AM
Subject: [wheelsinthesky] October 28th has passed
And the ‘fun’ can begin. US Clearing system at stake. See MF Global and CME and SEC.
‘You may have it right but you may end up with nothing’
Kind regards Chris
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59033 From: San Johnson Date: 01/11/2011

Subject: Re: MAM
Ba,
I was wondering when Gann and Bayer wrote their books,

whom did they had in mind as a reader. Freemasons or your
curious sixpack Joe?
Your sincerely,
Martin
From: BA <ba4wits@...>
Subject: [wheelsinthesky] MAM


Hi Chris,


Thanks,

Kylie

Locke


Kind regards Chris



rally in the DX.


Jack


Jack,

I can’t expand.

date often enough.

Good luck everyone.

Chris


Chris...


Jack



Kind regards Chris


Subject: Re: MAM
This is a VERY good question. I could go on and on. The book "Magic Word" I must admit I
do not personally understand at all. Its supposeably written for Masons at a certain level and
that makes sense to me but I have never worked on it. Magic Word is written in a code called
"Bell Book and Candle". Tunnel is NOT written in a "code" but is written in a "veiled
language" and it does take awhile to undertand it. I think Gann was always hasseled for info, he
could direct them to Tunnel. There is a masonic connection to Tunnel for sure, and I have proof
of it, but I think it was meant for the average Joe. IMHO.

Hope this helps.

BA
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, San Johnson <sanjohnson@...> wrote:

ian
hink Gann was always
Ba,
I was wondering when Gann and Bayer wrote their books,

whom did they had in mind as a reader. Freemasons or your
curious sixpack Joe?
Your sincerely,
Martin
From: BA <ba4wits@...>


Hi Chris,


Thanks,

Kylie

Locke


Kind regards Chris



rally in the DX.


Jack


Jack,

I can’t expand.

date often enough.

Good luck everyone.

Chris


Chris...


Jack



Kind regards Chris

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59072 From: super_romeman Date: 02/11/2011

Subject: Re: MAM
I understood that The Magic Word was NOT written in Bell, Book, and Candle. What is
your source that says that it was?

best, romeman

----- Original Message -----
From: BA
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: [wheelsinthesky] MAM

Hope this helps.

BA
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59076 From: [email protected] Date: 02/11/2011
Subject: Re: MAM

Magic Word is written in a code called "Bell Book and Candle".
BA,

Its likely been broken........this is a recent news release from a couple of days ago..............I remembered
this from a couple of articles I had read.

It turns out these were some Masonic rituals and other esoteric information that had a Masonic coding.

Thought you and others might be interested.

How 18th-Century Copiale Cipher Was Cracked - NYTimes.com

It didn't use simple letter or number substitutions.

Best Regards,

Lorin

Subject: Re: MAM
oops sorry, me thinks Ganns "private notes" written in BBaC....apologies.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:02 PM, super_romeman <gannstudygroup@...> wrote:

I understood that The Magic Word was NOT written in Bell, Book, and Candle. What is
your source that says that it was?

best, romeman

----- Original Message -----
From: BA
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: [wheelsinthesky] MAM


Hope this helps.

BA

Subject: DOD not MAM
Hi All,
Go ahead, over the weekend and pull out all of the places the DOD is mentioned in Tunnel,
follow the instructions I put in the last post on this. When I return on Monday we will begin
investigations on it. Everyone should do their own work because Gann wants you to work for
the answers. I will give you an example. On page 234: Radius 700 miles Death ray of3000-
5000 miles
This appears to be talking about Marie Angel of Mercy. It is not. It is referring to the DOD.
AND is very important specifically because it ties in with something else that relates back to the
DOD, to where if you did not have the above connection, specifically the word "radius", in
another part on DOD you would assume a number to be something else not radius. So be
VERY careful! Have a read of that area on page 234, so you "see" how that was handled and
can be aware of this technique on your own in the future....
BA

Subject: MAM and...
Hi all,
Many people write me and ask if they have found MAM or one of the other COR's, the best
advice I can give most is to try and run it out on a stock or commodity that it dominates, if you
have the right cycle the inversions will be in the right zones.
Received this one and several like it today: "
I disregarded these because I figured the MAM is not a harmonic of this cycle.
23 revolutions looks very close to me, and on P 234, is where MAM is talked about (23)4 . What do you
think?"""""
Now this is VERY good thinking for sure! But then it begs the question, how can one tell? You must
run it for a number of months out to make sure it is repeating. Good work on the above but the next step
is always to test it!
BA
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66602 From: Michael LiGekko Date: 19/11/2013
Hi BA,
Thanks for this valuable post. "...the next step is always to test it!", that's where heavy
calculations are involved, which do take time.
Best!
DH
From: ba4wits@...
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:36:58 -0600
Subject: [wheelsinthesky] MAM and...
Hi all,
think?"""""
BA

Yes correct, as when we were coming up through it we had to rest everything under the Sun.
Admittedly that was rather lengthy process but it does produce results which is what counts :)
On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Michael LiGekko <donghuagekko@...> wrote:
Hi BA,
Thanks for this valuable post. "...the next step is always to test it!", that's where heavy
calculations are involved, which do take time.
Best!
DH
From: ba4wits@...
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:36:58 -0600
Subject: [wheelsinthesky] MAM and...

Hi all,
think?"""""
BA

Subject: MAM
Hi All,
Have areal close look at what MAM is called "Marie the Angel of Mercy"....look closely at
that....
BA
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66644 From: John Date: 25/11/2013
Subject: Re: MAM
BA,
Does this have to Zadkiel or am I barking up the wrong tree?

John
-------- Original message --------

From: BA
Date:11/25/2013 11:38 AM (GMT-05:00)
Hi All,
that....
BA
Subject: Re: MAM
It sounds like mars the angle of mercury
On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 3:42 AM, BA <ba4wits@...> wrote:

Hi All,
that....
BA
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66647 From: Helio Date: 25/11/2013

Subject: Re: MAM
Mars Angle Mercury seems too easy to decode a Gann thing... But it is certainly the most
obvious hypothesis. However, I thought about this a while ago, I dont know the answer, but it
looks like there are 3 elements:
Marie
Angel
Mercy
so, there could be 3 "elements" ...

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Isaac Court <isaacwcourt@...> wrote:


Hi All,
that....
BA

Subject: Re: MAM
Attachments :
Mercury is the messenger of the Sun and it rises before the Sun, and after the Sun as it leaves
combust.......and it is said that Mercury carries the Sun's message into the stock market.......at
times it will find itself ahead of Mars.........and the time it takes Mars to reach that position, of
Mercury, could measure the time that the Sun's message to the stock market, is in effect.
What do you think Grasshopper?
Best Wishes,
Lorin
Helio <heliosilvaf@...> wrote:
>Mars Angle Mercury seems too easy to decode a Gann thing... But it is
>certainly the most obvious hypothesis. However, I thought about this a
>while ago, I dont know the answer, but it looks like there are 3 elements:
>
>Marie
>Angel
>Mercy
>
>so, there could be 3 "elements" ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Isaac Court <isaacwcourt@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It sounds like mars the angle of mercury
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 3:42 AM, BA <ba4wits@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Have areal close look at what MAM is called "Marie the Angel of
>> Mercy"....look closely at that....
>>
>> BA
>>
>>
>>
>>
Mars Angle Mercury seems too easy to decode a Gann thing... But it is certainly the most
obvious hypothesis. However, I thought about this a while ago, I dont know the answer, but it
looks like there are 3 elements:
Marie
Angel
Mercy
so, there could be 3 "elements" ...



Hi All,
that....
BA

Subject: Re: MAM
;)


Hi All,
that....
BA

Subject: Re: MAM
Hi John,
All good posts, yours, Helio's and Isaacs! I also got this one privately:
"Sounds a bit like "Marry the Angle of Mercury" to me this time around -- marry / anchor --
marry it or anchor it to what I guess would be the right question..."
One of you all are correct!
BA
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:51 PM, John <johnajr@...> wrote:

BA,
Does this have to Zadkiel or am I barking up the wrong tree?
John
-------- Original message --------

From: BA
Date:11/25/2013 11:38 AM (GMT-05:00)

Hi All,
that....
BA

Subject: Re: MAM
Also, Some things mam connects to are Lindbergh, 1000 mph, 24 cylinder motor etc.
I'm not sure about the motor? Any thoughts?
Lindbergh is interesting ...

On page 88 Gann writes about airplanes traveling at 1000 mph across the face of EARTH, right
after he references the war period in the book 1928-1932. Also, gas, electricity, and steam
(compressed air) seem to be connecting to planes or machines using planets. At some point
MAM takes her "power from the air" and becomes "invisible" I think this might be a different
cycle, there may be more than one MAM one planetary and one that is not.
Any thoughts?
Nick
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 25, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Isaac Court <isaacwcourt@...> wrote:

Hi All,
that....
BA
Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66653 From: nealucd Date: 25/11/2013

Subject: Re: MAM
Well, I'm glad that one of you had already guessed the answer to BA's riddle, so I didn't have to
put myself out there. Whew ;)
But if I may try to contribute to this puzzle, it appears to me that Gann won't leave us to guess
the solution, but rather substantiate the answer he wants us to see by pointing out to them
(whether they're planets, zodiacs, time periods, etc) in another way and metaphor. This way we
would have confirmation that this is indeed what he wanted us to see.
In practice, my thinking is that if this has to do with Marie, I should be able to find a hint in
Marie near the beginning of the book. And if it has to do with Mercury, Mars, and Angle, a
strategy may be to look for a mercury, mars aspect in a passage in the book..... etc. etc.
Neal
--- In [email protected], BA <ba4wits@...> wrote:

>
> Hi John,
>
> All good posts, yours, Helio's and Isaacs! I also got this one privately:
>
> "Sounds a bit like "Marry the Angle of Mercury" to me this time around --
> marry / anchor -- marry it or anchor it to what I guess would be the right
> question..."
>
> One of you all are correct!
>
> BA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:51 PM, John <johnajr@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
> > BA,
>>
> > Does this have to Zadkiel or am I barking up the wrong tree?
>>
> > John
>>
>>
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: BA
> > Date:11/25/2013 11:38 AM (GMT-05:00)
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [wheelsinthesky] MAM
>>
>>
>>
> > Hi All,
>>
> > Have areal close look at what MAM is called "Marie the Angel of
> > Mercy"....look closely at that....
>>
> > BA
>>
>>
>>
>
Subject: Re: MAM
Perhaps Marie is Venus.......and for certain if you study the dates of Marie's vanishing acts, it
becomes very clear........and then consider Mercury and a connecting angle.
Now both Venus and Mercury lose their strength or are washed clean when in conjunction to the
Sun. And seem to affect the markets when they reappear. And they are the only planets close
enough to the Sun that geocentrically they?
Lets consider some history........from November 1929 to April 1930 Venus was behind the Sun
her affect was muted.....then she reappears and the market advances......continuing until she
again is burned up by the Sun.......and the market is also burned up, falling to its all time low.
When she reappears a new bull is born. So this tells one that Mercury and Venus can carry a bull
or bear or neutral message from the Sun to the stock markets, per my previous message.
An awareness of sign placement and planetary mechanics will open the door. Does it rise before
or after the? What type of angel is it?
Best Regards,
Lorin
LLBAKER <reikimstr@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: MAM
This is all very interesting! I am very intrigued by your posts Lorin, and I may be crazy but the way I saw BA wink
earlier in this thread made me look over everything twice. The word 'planetary mechanics' catches my attention and
reminds me of reading posts some time ago talking about a internal 'mechanism' existing in cycles. Also, has
anyone read the book 'Turning the Solomon Key' by Robert Lomas? He makes a big deal about a link between the
masons, the US and mercury and venus as 'morning stars'...
Maybe there is a few levels to what is already being discussed here..firstly the sun burning up venus or mercury is
geo and I have been targeting helio for finding CORs so I see another level there. However the 'angel', angle link
could tie this in somehow or have a practical purpose to in relevant to the COR in question or CORs in general. So
with what has been said I am thinking what planets, what angle (so far mentioned is ven or mer to sun, or ven or
mer to mars) and then what degrees cycle length.
I might have to think about all this quite a bit more and maybe I might know what I could try for an experiment -
not sure...whatever I try it is likely to be another door I can close - but one less door to wonder about in the future!
On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 4:42 PM, LLBAKER <reikimstr@...> wrote:

Perhaps Marie is Venus.......and for certain if you study the dates of Marie's vanishing acts, it
becomes very clear........and then consider Mercury and a connecting angle.
Now both Venus and Mercury lose their strength or are washed clean when in conjunction to the
Sun. And seem to affect the markets when they reappear. And they are the only planets close
enough to the Sun that geocentrically they?
Lets consider some history........from November 1929 to April 1930 Venus was behind the Sun
her affect was muted.....then she reappears and the market advances......continuing until she
again is burned up by the Sun.......and the market is also burned up, falling to its all time low.
When she reappears a new bull is born. So this tells one that Mercury and Venus can carry a bull
or bear or neutral message from the Sun to the stock markets, per my previous message.
An awareness of sign placement and planetary mechanics will open the door. Does it rise before
or after the? What type of angel is it?
Best Regards,
Lorin
LLBAKER <reikimstr@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: MAM
This is a VERY good post Nick! High Grade!
BA
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:10 PM, NickH <timeprovesall@...> wrote:

Any thoughts?
Nick
Sent from my iPad



Hi All,
that....
BA

Subject: Re: MAM
Yes agreed, but even with this information, how do we test it, I mean how will we know? The
answer to that will be in "IBM CHRONICLES, CH: 2, the cycles (video and webinar
forthcoming). One needs a way to test if they are correct or not....
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:13 PM, nealucd <nealucd@...> wrote:

Well, I'm glad that one of you had already guessed the answer to BA's riddle, so I didn't have to
put myself out there. Whew ;)
But if I may try to contribute to this puzzle, it appears to me that Gann won't leave us to guess
the solution, but rather substantiate the answer he wants us to see by pointing out to them
(whether they're planets, zodiacs, time periods, etc) in another way and metaphor. This way we
would have confirmation that this is indeed what he wanted us to see.
In practice, my thinking is that if this has to do with Marie, I should be able to find a hint in
Marie near the beginning of the book. And if it has to do with Mercury, Mars, and Angle, a
strategy may be to look for a mercury, mars aspect in a passage in the book..... etc. etc.
Neal
--- In [email protected], BA <ba4wits@...> wrote:

>
> Hi John,
>
> All good posts, yours, Helio's and Isaacs! I also got this one privately:
>
> "Sounds a bit like "Marry the Angle of Mercury" to me this time around --
> marry / anchor -- marry it or anchor it to what I guess would be the right
> question..."
>
> One of you all are correct!
>
> BA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:51 PM, John <johnajr@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
> > BA,
>>
> > Does this have to Zadkiel or am I barking up the wrong tree?
>>
> > John
>>
>>
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: BA
> > Date:11/25/2013 11:38 AM (GMT-05:00)
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [wheelsinthesky] MAM
>>
>>
>>
> > Hi All,
>>
> > Have areal close look at what MAM is called "Marie the Angel of
> > Mercy"....look closely at that....
>>
> > BA
>>
>>
>>
>
Subject: Re: MAM
Thanks BA, hope it adds some value here!
Nick
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:13 PM, BA <ba4wits@...> wrote:
This is a VERY good post Nick! High Grade!
BA
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:10 PM, NickH <timeprovesall@...> wrote:

Any thoughts?
Nick
Sent from my iPad


Hi All,
that....
BA

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Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59030 From: BA Date: 01/11/2011

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59030 From: BA Date: 01/11/2011

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Kylie Jerg <kylie@...> wrote:

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher

Kind regards Chris

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack

Very helpful Chris... thanks for the explanation....

May have something to do with how strong the DX was today.

closes over 77.15....have target of 72.25 before any real

rally in the DX.

Yes, agree...good luck to all we are going to need it...thinking

maybe someplace where they speak French could be ideal. Anyone

From: Christopher Locke <chris@...>

Good luck everyone.

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack

Can you expand on this a little...maybe we need to seriously think

about trading from somewhere else.

From: Christopher Locke <chris@...>

Kind regards Chris

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59033 From: San Johnson Date: 01/11/2011

I was wondering when Gann and Bayer wrote their books,

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Kylie Jerg <kylie@...> wrote:

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59066 From: BA Date: 02/11/2011

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:20 PM, San Johnson <sanjohnson@...> wrote:

I was wondering when Gann and Bayer wrote their books,

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Kylie Jerg <kylie@...> wrote:

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59072 From: super_romeman Date: 02/11/2011

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 59091 From: BA Date: 03/11/2011

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:02 PM, super_romeman <gannstudygroup@...> wrote:

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 62531 From: BA Date: 05/10/2012

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66598 From: BA Date: 19/11/2013

Received this one and several like it today: "

Received this one and several like it today: "

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66603 From: BA Date: 20/11/2013

On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Michael LiGekko <donghuagekko@...> wrote:

Received this one and several like it today: "

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66642 From: BA Date: 25/11/2013

Does this have to Zadkiel or am I barking up the wrong tree?

-------- Original message --------

On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 3:42 AM, BA <ba4wits@...> wrote:

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66647 From: Helio Date: 25/11/2013

so, there could be 3 "elements" ...

On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 3:42 AM, BA <ba4wits@...> wrote:

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66648 From: LLBAKER Date: 25/11/2013

What do you think Grasshopper?

Helio <heliosilvaf@...> wrote:

so, there could be 3 "elements" ...

On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 3:42 AM, BA <ba4wits@...> wrote:

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66649 From: BA Date: 25/11/2013

On Tuesday, 26 November 2013 3:42 AM, BA <ba4wits@...> wrote:

Group: wheelsinthesky Message: 66650 From: BA Date: 25/11/2013

One of you all are correct!

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:51 PM, John <johnajr@...> wrote:

Does this have to Zadkiel or am I barking up the wrong tree?