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    Meraz Ahmed demonstrates pushing hands techniques in a video. Mike Sigman shares the video and asks the group to analyze what is happening with the forces being used. Several people comment on Meraz's explanations of sinking, grounding, and the use of internal and external jin. Mike Sigman provides further analysis, noting that pushing against each other forms a "unit body" allowing control of the partner. He says the essence is that Meraz "sinks his qi" to change the angle of force from his foot, moving the partner. The discussion focuses on analyzing the techniques based on Meraz's explanations.

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    Meraz Ahmed demonstrates pushing hands techniques in a video. Mike Sigman shares the video and asks the group to analyze what is happening with the forces being used. Several people comment on Meraz's explanations of sinking, grounding, and the use of internal and external jin. Mike Sigman provides further analysis, noting that pushing against each other forms a "unit body" allowing control of the partner. He says the essence is that Meraz "sinks his qi" to change the angle of force from his foot, moving the partner. The discussion focuses on analyzing the techniques based on Meraz's explanations.

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    Meraz Ahmed demonstrates pushing hands techniques in a video. Mike Sigman shares the video and asks the group to analyze what is happening with the forces being used. Several people comment on Meraz's explanations of sinking, grounding, and the use of internal and external jin. Mike Sigman provides further analysis, noting that pushing against each other forms a "unit body" allowing control of the partner. He says the essence is that Meraz "sinks his qi" to change the angle of force from his foot, moving the partner. The discussion focuses on analyzing the techniques based on Meraz's explanations.

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    Mike Sigman shared a link to the group: 6H.

    May 20 ·

    Analysis of a Jin Force: Meraz Ahmed

    Someone forwarded the video URL to me and I looked at it. My thinking is that it might be a good
    example to analyze and compare the analyses with Meraz's explanation. This is just another in my
    continuing posts on examining what people are doing versus what they say they are doing ... in the
    hopes that we can clarify our own thinking. Thoughts and observations, please.

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    Meraz Taiji 2019 (Tai Chi) V - Level 1 Understanding Forces and Effects

    Mike Sigman How about starting with the demonstration where Meraz is standing beside his partner
    and they are pushing, palm to palm? What is happening with the forces? How would you describe what
    he's doing in terms of jin and in terms of whether it is a dantian-controlled jin?

    What about Meraz's distinctions of jin? He indicates one use of jin is "internal": any comments?

    There is a lot to talk about, IMO, because Meraz is giving some very good examples of how jin is used in
    a generic linear-jin mode that is different from the way jin is used in Taijiquan.

    Mike Sigman No brave souls willing to opine out loud? ;)C'mon guys and gals.

    Tom Osborn [Brave soul]. Grounding, returning, dropping, as he says, but through a frame. Ti fang. The
    'vertical circle' I don't see - can't see the centre doing anything, but he's weight shifting after breaking
    root.

    [Partner Obs] Partner gets stiff after broken root.

    I've practiced that. Will have another play with the practice group tomorrow.

    [Flu shot in one shoulder, Pneumonia shot in the other. I have an idea this will make sung and stretching
    out more 'natural' tomorrow].

    6H? Maybe 2H...

    Enis Yolcuer Explanations are clear and not abstract.

    Sinking and grounding cannot be felt. It more looks like done with some parts of the muscles, especially
    shoulders, and no strong connection established with his partner.

    And not enough energy transferred from his partner, therefore movements are more done by Meraz.

    Jaemin Yoo Fun to see the guy lead incoming energy from == to \\. very subtle manipulation.

    John Wilmshurst What I see is the partner trying to ground a horizontal force through a stiff frame.
    Meraz calls this external jin. Then the story about the force rebounding back from the ground beneath
    the partners foot and turning into internal jin as it comes back again from Meraz's foot.....well all I can
    see is an additional slight upward force added as Meraz extends his arm and slightly changes the wrist
    angle, which tips the stiff framed partner over.

    Tin Tran This reminds me of that video awhile back where the wing chun guy and systema guy
    traded punches, in term of directions :)

    If you look at the 1st attempt, white t-shirt's left leg was lifted up (around 39 secs). Meraz's force was
    going upward and he had to lift the guy's weight a little. If you look at 2nd attempt, white t-shirt's left
    leg shuffled towards the right leg (around 1:16), i.e. Meraz's force was going downward.
    Enis Yolcuer Is this the same (back bow) what Meraz calls vertical circle force?
    I found this on Mike Sigman's Vimeo channel.
    https://vimeo.com/228706928

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    CXW Back Bow

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    Grant Beachley That's an exaggerated demo of the action of the DT.

    Mike Sigman Well, a couple of people see the discussion in the light of Meraz's explanations, and
    that's what I was looking at. There are a couple of things to note, though. First of all, by pushing hard
    against each other, they become, to some extent, a "unit body" ... and thus Meraz, to whatever degree
    he is capable, can control the partner's structure fairly easily. The discussions about forces curving
    through the body aren't really accurate in terms of physics, BTW.

    If partner is simply trying to stop Meraz's forces with the friction of his outside foot and Meraz is
    stopping partner's force with his own outside foot, the discussion is pretty simple. However, what Meraz
    does ultimately is sink his qi (think of it as "sink the origin of his forces") so that the angle of his
    returning force is upward from the foot, as opposed to merely a simple lateral coefficient of friction
    from the sole of the foot. It is this upwelling force from the ground that ultimately moves partner, so the
    essence of what Meraz does could be summed up with the phrase "he sunk his qi".

    The thing I was watching for was some use of the dantian ... I didn't really see it, so apparently Meraz is
    using a simple linear use of jin to mean "internal". Since all of the Chinese martial-arts, both internal and
    external, use jin, it is incorrect to use jin and "sink the qi" as something "internal".

    With a good jin path in place, some amount of "store and release" power to add into the jin can be
    done. In the traditional CMA's, the dantian is the main area of storage (although there are other areas,
    too), but people without dantian skills will usually use the leg, hips, shoulders, elbows, etc., for that
    storage of power that adds into the jin path. Always look to see where the guys using some amount of
    jin will get there extra power from. It tells you a lot about how they train and what they know. YMMV

    Enis Yolcuer Mike Sigman, thank you for the analysis.

    Andy Breton FWIW for the side thing: the set up is hard, with the push emphasizing the delts and triceps
    in isolation and makes it easy for one side of the lumbar to tense in reaction to force. He steps away
    slightly to relieve the tension and give the optimum distance between the two of them. It seems like
    part of what helps him get it is turning and looking at his rear foot. Perhaps it prevents him from trying
    too hard or changes the angle of his body slightly. Also look at whether his weight is in one foot or kind
    of in both feet (it changes between attempts).

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