[quote]Lied you say? All I did is to quote a verse from your filthy hate manual.

Blame Muhammad who wrote that garbage.[/quote]

You lied, quoted out of the verses immediate context, You are nothing but anothe
r liar :).
[quote]And yet every Muslim in history understands my explanation except you bec
ause you realized it is not tenable with modern morality. This is just lying for
Allah. Mohammad is a perfect demonstration of this. When he had no power he was
peaceful and said things like Christians and Jews have similar values to him an
d when he had power all his war verses emerged. It's so blatantly obvious.[/quot
e]
What? I guess you can not read "EXCEPT", All what you are saying is "You are jus
t lying!!!" This is, in itself, a logical fallacy.
[quote]Peace? On who's terms? Let's say you fight someone you see as an enemy, y
ou win and then you offer "peace" to the conquered by offering them a deal to li
ve under your rule or else. What choise do they have but to want "peace"?
What you just quoted does not answer that dilemma. First you must define what pe
ace means in islam.[/quote]
The most explanation for war lies in 3 main areas, The Sword verse (i.e: 9:4-6),
The Relation verse (60:8-9, As Ibn 'Abbas named it) and 40:90-91, Shall we quot
e them?
The Sword verse:
[quote]9:4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists
and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone
against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. In
deed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever y
ou find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every
place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, l
et them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him prot
ection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of
safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.[/quote]
Notice that, War is when there is no peace and the enemy does not incline toward
s peace.
The Relation verse:
[quote]60:8 Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of
religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward the
m and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
60:9 Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and exp
el you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allie
s of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongd
oers.[/quote]
This is THE basic rule.
40:90-92
[quote]4:89 They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be a
like. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of
Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find
them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
4:90 Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom
is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of]
fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could ha
ve given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove
themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not
made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.
4:91 You will find others who wish to obtain security from you and [to] obtain s
ecurity from their people. Every time they are returned to [the influence of] di
sbelief, they fall back into it. So if they do not withdraw from you or offer yo
u peace or restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you over
take them. And those - We have made for you against them a clear authorization.[
/quote]
It is clear about War for now.
[quote]All your translations say much the same: They say that the author of the
text suggests a course of action that should have been followed in the past or (
less accurately) should have been followed at the time of writing. It seems you
can only see what you want to see. The text is neither an instruction for people
today, nor is it a an edict of God himself ,it s the opinion of the writer.[/quot
e]
Is The Bible God's word or not?
[quote]Jesus fulfilled the law through the crucifixion and resurrection. The ful
filment of the law is God revealing to man that God redeems him, and man is not
working his own salvation by following a set of rules, as Islam teaches. Man s sal
vation is a free gift of God to all who accept his love. The fulfilment of the l
aw is a new perspective on the law itself: it is a guide to man to help; and it
should be seen as a tool for a greater purpose. [/quote]
Please prove what you say from Biblical verses, that is, Jesus fulfilled the law
through being held on the cross.
[quote]As to the other section you quoted, you completely misunderstand the scen
e: Jesus points outs the hypocritical inconsistencies if the outlook of the Phar
isees: He points out that they practice the OLD law in a hypocritical way.[/quot
e]
No He does not, You are trying to twist what he says, He says that they disobeye
d God, and gives an example of them not loving their parents, then, he (supposed
ly) says that they should be put to death.
[quote]Also, nowhere in the text did Paul advocate or demand any death penalty.
You just dishonestly highlight two separate bits of the text, hoping would not r
ead all of it.[/quote]
LOL! I quoted Biblical texts that say: "Should be put to death"
[quote]And then you send me a whole lot of other such texts, all not applicable
to Christianity, and the same comments as the one on Chronicles apply to them.[/
quote]
So The Bible, God's Word, Is applicable based on time? When anything in the Bibl
e is not compilable with modernity, I will not take it, but when It is, I must t
ake it, what a Christian Logic!
[quote]So far you have told me that you reject most of the quran, virtually all
of the hadith and sunnah, (even you say your are a sunni),and now you say you re
ject shariah as well.[/quote]
I reject most of the Qur'an? LOL! I never said that. I was a sunni but now a Qur
anist.
[quote]So don't hold so tightly to Uthman's Quran and think that Muhamamd OR the
Sahaba would recognize it if they heard it read (into today's order).[/quote]
So if there is a verse about war, It was meant to be, and any verse about peace,
It was fabricated, amazing Logic!
[quote]What about the Muslims who died at the battle of Yamama, how many verses
were lost there?[/quote]
Muslims who died at the Battle of Yamama were new converts.
[quote]For all we know, he could have burned the "real" ones.
Not that any of that hate mongering and war mongering could have come from a god
.
Not from a sane god, anyway.[/quote]
God made Uthman burn the unauthentic one and keep the authentic ones.
[quote]Not to mention the parts which were orally transmitted from memory?
If Uthman burned some versions of the Quran, how reliable were ANY of them?
How did Uthman decide which one to keep? Did Allah have a say in the matter? :he
h:[/quote]
Allah made Uthman burn the unauthentic and keep the authentic, since Allah prote
cts his word :).
[quote]That is exactly the part Ifind irritating about him;he thinks he can tell
us all sorts of stuff as if we never heard of Islam... even if he gets caught h
e pretends a day latyer it never happened.
I am starting to think he is not for real, he just wants to troll around...[/quo
te]
1. I give evidence.
2. Please learn English spelling (Ifind, latyer)
[quote]And now tell us about a"golden age" caused by Islam... we love your fairy
stories..[/quote]
1. I already did.
2. You posted pornographical pictures.
3. Who has a house built from glass, should not throw rocks at people. (A Bible
was 3-years old girls being raped, a Bible with brothers and sisters tasting eac
h others vaginas and breasts, then saying it feels like "wine")
[quote]Also, Mohammed and Islam was so tolerant and art-loving he murdered the f
ollowing poets[/quote]
I will talk about each of them right now. :).
[quote]March 624: Al-Nadr bin al-Harith[/quote]
Answer: [quote][/quote]