SP 482

THE IMPACT OF SCIENCE
ON SOCIETY
James Burke
Jules Bergman
Isaac Asimov
NASA SP-482
THE IMPACT OF SCIENCE

ON SOCIETY
James Burke
Jules Bergman
Isaac Asimov
Prepared by Langley Research Center
Scientific and Technical Information Branch 1985

National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Washington, DC
Library of Congress Cataloging in PublicationData
Burke, James, 1936-

The impact of science on society.
(NASA SP ; 482)
Series of lectures given at a public lecture series sponsored by NASA
and the College of William and Mary in 1983.
1 . Science-Social aspects-Addresses, essays, lectures. I. Bergman,
Jules. 11. Asimov, Isaac, 1920- . 111. United States. National
Aeronautics and Space Administration. IV.College of William and
Mary. V. Title. VI. Series.
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Foreword
Science and technology have had a major impact on society,
and their impact is growing. By drastically changing our means of
communication, the way we work, our housing, clothes, and food,
our methods of transportation, and, indeed, even the length and
quality of life itself, science has generated changes in the moral
values and basic philosophies of mankind.
Beginning with the plow, science has changed how we live and
what we believe. By making life easier, science has given man
the chance to pursue societal concerns such as ethics, aesthetics,
education, and justice; to create cultures; and to improve human
conditions. But it has also placed us in the unique position of being
able to destroy ourselves.
To celebrate the 25th anniversary of the National Aeronautics
and Space Administration (NASA) in 1983, NASA and The College
of William and Mary jointly sponsored a series of public lectures
on the impact of science on society. These lectures were delivered
by British historian James Burke, ABC T V science editor and
reporter Jules Bergman, and scientist and science fiction writer
Dr. Isaac Asimov. These authorities covered the impact of science
on society from the time of mansfirst significant scientific invention
to that of expected future scientific advances. The papers are
edited transcripts of these speeches. Since the talks were generally
given extemporaneously, the papers are necessarily informal and
may, therefore, differ in style from the authors more formal works.
As the included audience questions illustrate, the topic raises
far-reaching issues and concerns serious aspects of our lives and
future.
Donald P. Hearth
Former Director
NASA Langley Research Center
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Contents
Foreword . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . iii
The Legacy of Science . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3

James Burke
Accomplishments of Science by the Year 2000 . . . . . . 33

Jules Bergman
Our Future in the Cosmos-Computers . . . . . . . . . 59

Isaac Asimov
Our Future in the Cosmos-Space . . . . . . . . . . . 79

Isaac Asimov
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The Legacy of Science
James Burke
James Burke
For more than a decade, James Burke has been one of the British
Broadcasting Corporations outstanding television writers, hosts,
and producers. Born in Northern Ireland and educated at Oxford
University, Burke spent 5 years in Italy teaching at the Universities
of Bologna and Urbino and directing the English Schools in Bologna
and Rome. He made his television debut in 1965 as a reporter for
Granada Televisions Rome Bureau.
Burkes impressive following in the British Isles dates back t o
1966, when he joined the BBCs weekly science show, Tomorrows
World. As the chief BBC correspondent for all Apollo space flights,
Burke won critical acclaim for his interpretation of the US space
program to an audience of over 12 million people. During this
time he developed and presented a variety of documentaries, and
in 1972 he became the host of his own weekly prime-time science
series, The Burke Special. The programs earned for Burke a Royal
Television Society Silver Medal in 1972 and a Gold Medal in 1973.
In 1975-1976, Burke co-authored and co-hosted The Inventing of
America, an NBC/BBC joint production for the US Bicentennial.
Burkes 10-part television series Connections, which aired
in 1979, attracted one of the largest followings ever for a Public
Broadcasting Station documentary series, and the companion book
was a bestseller in both the UK and the US. The series, which took
a year of research and another year to film at more than 100 loca-
tions in 22 countries, surveyed the history of technology and social
change by tracing the evolution of eight major modern inventions:
The atom bomb, telecommunications, computers, production lines,
jet aircraft, plastics, rocketry, and television. In 1980 Burke wrote
and presented Burke: The Real Thing, a BBC six-part series on
reality and human perception. He is a regular contributor to such
major magazines as Vogue, The Atlantic Monthly, Harpers, N e w
York Magazine, and N e w Scientist.
Change is one of mankinds most mysterious

creations. The factors that operate t o cause it came
into play when m a n produced his first tool. With it he
changed the world forever, and bound himself t o the
artifacts he would create in order, always, t o make
tomorrow better than today. But how does change
operate? What triggers a new invention, a different
philosophy, a n altered society? The interactive
network of mans activities links the strangest,
most disparate elements, bringing together the m o s t
unlikely combinations in unexpected ways t o create a
new world.
Is there a pattern t o change in different times and
separate places in our history? C a n change be fore-
cast? How does society live with perpetual innovation
that, in changing the shape of its environment, also
transforms its attitudes, morals, values? If the prime
effect of change i s more change, is there a limit be-
yond which we will not be able t o go without anarchy,
or have we adaptive abilities, as yet only minimally
activated, which wall make of our future a place very
different f r o m anything we have ever experienced be-
fore?
Somebody once apparently said to the philosopher Wittgen-

stein, What a bunch of no-knows we medieval Europeans must
have been! back in the days before Copernicus, t o have looked up
at the sky and thought that what we saw up there was the Sun
going round the Earth, when, as everybody knows, the Earth goes
round the Sun, and it doesnt take too many brains t o understand
that! Wittgenstein replied, Yes, but I wonder what it would have
looked like if the Sun had been going round the Earth. The point
is that it would, of course, have looked exactly the same. What he
was saying was that you see what you want to see.
Consider also the medieval Londoner or eighteenth-century
American who, when asked what he thought of the prospect that
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one day everybody would have his own individual form of personal
transportation, laughed at the idea of the metropolis at a standstill
when the streets became, as they surely would, 14 feet deep in
horse manure. The concept of any other form of transportation
was outside his context.
I started with these two stories because they illustrate what I
want to talk about today. If you look back at the cultural history
of the West (and I do this on the premise that you only know where
youre going if you know where youve been, and that those who
are not prepared to learn the lessons of history are condemned to
repeat it), the most important thing about the process of change
and forecasting change at any one time hasnt been a matter of
understanding the inner workings of the new gismos that mankind
creates to make tomorrow better than today. In many cases, it
has been the awareness that change was even happening at all, the
understanding that the solid base from which prediction was being
made might be about as solid as quicksand.
Even the most apparently immutable system or structure may
be experiencing change even as you look at it. By change I mean,
of course, not just change in the sense of bigger and better models
and new ways of doing the same things you were doing before, but
qualitative change in the structure and behavior of the society in
which you live. I mean new philosophies as well as new gadgets.
Im not saying that the appreciation of change is easy; far from
it, particularly today. As one of your more respectable social
forecasters said recently, If you understand something today, that
means it must by definition already be obsolete. Our general
relationship with the present accelerating rate of change reminds
me of the postcard from the patient on holiday to his psychiatrist
at home: Having a wonderful time. Why?
The difficulty in recognizing change even when you fall into it,
and the consequent off-the-cuff variety of forecasting that prevails,
is, like most things (as Ive just said), a matter of context. If youre
looking to assess the future performance of an artifact or a human
system within the envelope delineated by the factors involved, then
what is the envelope, and how much of it are you aware of when
YOU yourself are in the envelope? Id like to start off by looking at
that first.
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Let me look at the envelope from a very basic point of view,

that of the neurophysiology of raw perception itself. Forgive me
if its a bit oversimple. Take me-on the back of your retina
Im upside down, focused at the center but fuzzy at the edges,
two-dimensional, a barrage of photons releasing rhodopsin and
triggering neural impulses along the visual nerve. At the same
time, the pressure wave Im setting up right now with all this talk
is causing little hairs inside the cochlea, in your inner ear, to shake
around and send neural impulses into your brain. At no level am
I aurally or visually more than a complicated version of the same
neural impulse youd get if you scratched yourself.
So what is it that makes all that mush me? After all, youve
never met me before, and yet here I am, identified by you with
absolute certainty as a human being, male, standing more or less
upright, talking, and doing all the other things youve already
recognized. What accomplishes that recognition job for you is
your cognitive model. This is the construct, both experiential and
genetic in origin, that you use to check up on all the separate bits of
me and everything else you experience, mentally and physically, for
identification purposes. You are using a recognition system made
up of dedicated cells, each one firing in reaction to the one highly
specific bit of detail its built to react to.
Interestingly, it may be that the genetic component in that
model is greater than was once thought. Some work going on here
and in the UK shows that on the back of the human embryo, very
early on in its development, is the neural plate, which contains
the nerves that will eventually expand to form the spinal cord and
the brain-the nervous system, in fact. Apparently, embryonic
development involves millions of those little baby neurons growing
and traveling (thanks to some kind of genetic zip coding) to an
exact position in three-dimensional space in the final brain, in
order for you to function at all when youre born and to lay
down the basic matrix of interrelating neurons which will be the
neurophysiological infrastructure of your personality and of the way
you think.
I labor the point to show that the cognitive model isnt merely
some psychologists fantasy. It has a physical existence as a
recognition system acting in an individual way t o determine what
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reality is or is not for the organism. Anything that doesnt get

recognized in the most basic sense by the model is, naturally
enough, rejected as meaningless. Of course, meaning is defined
by your neurophysiological construct, not anybody elses.
Perception is directed and controlled by this cognitive model,
both at the individual level and at the level of whole societies. Both
kinds of models are very idiosyncratic. The Italian model has a sign
like a wave, meaning, Come here. Greek girls cause problems for
non-Greek boys by saying No with a nod, not a shake, of their
head. In New Zealand you can do one kind of V-sign but never
the other. Americans look posh when they look neat; Europeans
look posh when they look as if theyve just come through a hedge
backwards. A very fine linguistic example of model difference lies
in the way the Irish and the English express themselves. Where
the British will say that a situation is desperate but not hopeless,
the Irish will say the situation is hopeless but not desperate.
The cognitive model, then, is what sets the rules, defines the
structures, bestows meaning, sets up the ethics, values, beliefs,
knowledge-everything that permits the user to function as a
sentient organism, because it provides a perceived reality. It tells
you which way is up, if you like. The model, then, determines what
the universe is. As Wittgenstein said, You see what you want to
see.
Let me give you a good example of that axiom from history.
Back in the twelfth century, when we were looking up at a Sun
going round the Earth because Aristotle and the Church said thats
the way it was, we were also looking up at what we thought was
a perfect and unchanging universe, since if it had been created on
day one of creation by the Deity, it had to be perfect. If it were
perfect, there would be no change up there to see, so we didnt
look up much. At the same time, however, the Chinese were busy
getting a crick in the neck from doing just that-observing what
was going on up there and logging everything that moved. They
became expert astronomers centuries before we did, not because
they were clever and we were dummies but because there was
nothing in their model, as there was in ours, to stop them from
seeing changes up there. We saw no change up in the sky because
we thought there was none to see. Comets and supernovae were
thought of as warnings from God!
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The cognitive model-or to give it a better name, the paradigm-

controls all decisions. If you believe the cosmos is made up of
omelette, you build instruments specifically designed t o find traces
of intergalactic yolk. In that paradigm you reject phenomena like
pulsars and black holes as paranormal garbage. In an omelette
cosmos, the beginning of the universe becomes a chicken and egg
problem, doesnt it?
Now, this definition of terms (like omelette universe) happens
all the time. The reason that we today refer to electricity in terms
of current is because in the eighteenth century people like Ben
Franklin thought it was a fluid and tied all their experiments to
that so-called fact. At the same time, in the eighteenth century,
they thought all disease was caused by bad smells. Malaria is mal
aria-bad air. We laugh at that, but for them, as for everybody
at any time, the contemporary view of things is always the horses
mouth.
Every paradigm, at every time, in every place, is internally valid.
By definition it has to be, for the organism or the group to function.
Everybody has to have some version of reality-the way things
are for them, their definition of which way is up. This is perfectly
valid at the time. All you can logically say about a guy who thinks
hes a poached egg is that hes in the minority.
But then, if every paradigm is valid-set in philosophical
concrete-what s the point in going through all that confusion
when change happens? Metaphysically speaking, no one paradigm
is innately any better than any other. A universe that began at
9 a.m. on October 10, 4004 B.C. (which was official back in the
seventeenth century) is intrinsically no less valuable for those who
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live by a belief in it than is our present uncertain universe, per-
haps built like a yo-yo, forever destroying and remaking itself in
never-ending big bangs. Each of the cosmological theories has, at
different times, found totally ironclad evidence t o support it.
So, given that every paradigm in every place at every time has
had epistemological reasons for being the only right one thus far,
why does the boat get rocked time and again, why are waves made,
why does change happen, when everything is fine as it is? Even if
there are a few wrinkles in an otherwise fully adequate explanation
of the universe, we try very hard to get around them.
For instance, something that bothered people back in the eighth
century B.C. was the way the planets appear to go backwards
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from time to time. According to Aristotle, who worked out a

general theory in the fourth century B.C., the sky was made up
of eight concentric crystalline spheres, each one carrying a planet
and the outermost one carrying the stars, which were supposed
to rotate east to west. This circular motion, being heavenly, was
perfect-except for these planets going what looked like backwards
from time to time. Well, that particular little inconvenience was
solved by putting each planet in a littie epicycle, or mini-orbit,
spinning round and round while still remaining attached to its own
individual main sphere, which still rotated east-west like it was
supposed to. That way, the planets only appeared to go backwards
sometimes.
The real explanation, that the Earth was moving as well and
that this caused the appearance of retrograde motion, was unac-
ceptable within the cosmological paradigm that was still operative
in the Renaissance. It was unacceptable because it would have
had philosophical and theological implications that were too hot to
handle. The Bible would have been seen to be wrong, for example,
because it said the Earth didnt move. So epicycles fit the bill, and
kept things the way they were supposed to be. However, you had
to have over 70 of them, and even then they didnt work absolutely
perfectly.
Saving the appearances at all costs in that way is generally
how we react to little inconsistencies in our paradigm. If your
paradigm is the rock of ages for you-and it always is-then you
let go of it only with immense reluctance. We are, paradigmatically
speaking, extremely conservative.
Look at how often change is fought in history. Heres an example
that always tickles me. The chain of events back in the twelfth
century that set Europe going economically after the Dark Ages
was essentially the textile revolution. A new loom came in from
Arab Spain. It had foot pedals, which left the weavers hands free
to weave faster and make more cloth cheaper. The Dutch weavers
smashed the thing up because it would have put people out of work.
(That was a new idea in the twelfth century.)
A generation later, when the dust had settled, in came the
spinning wheel from left field-a total surprise from China. It
made thread very much faster than before. When the wheel and
the loom were put together, the production of cloth skyrocketed.
So there were more riots, because the cloth was linen, which was
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made from a plant and was cheaper than feeding sheep and making
wool, so the rioters were sheep farmers.
But soon everybody was wearing linen, because it was cheap,
and throwing it away when they wore holes in it. So there was this
giant pile of linen rag lying around fourteenth-century Europe. The
price of paper dropped like a stone, because linen rag paper was
the best you could make. There were more riots-sheep farmers
again, because parchment was sheepskin, and it had become too
expensive to use.
So here was enough paper around to put o n the walls, and the
scribes were going like gangbusters and pretty soon they were on
strike for higher wages because it was a sellers market. Everybody
wanted their paperwork done because the Black Death was just
over and everybody was inheriting like crazy. There just wasnt
enough writing ability to go around, until Gutenberg came along
in 1450 with the printing press.
Now this was something the Church wanted like a hole in the
head, because it would encourage free thinking-until they realized
that you could print indulgences with it. People bought the indul-
gences, because when they did that they got remission of some sins.
With all the demand for instant salvation that followed, the Church
made a million-money to build the Vatican, pay Michelangelos
bill, and generally get involved in prestigious projects that made
certain German clerics really mad at this consumerist, money-
making approach to religion. One of these Germanic chaps nailed
up his criticisms, and there was the Reformation.
Its a little oversimplified, maybe, but you get my drift. People
in general would rather fight than switch. So, to repeat myself, if
the paradigm fits and people resist innovation, why does change
happen at all? Well, let me give you some examples of the
mechanisms that operate to produce change, and youll see why
it isnt that simple.
To begin with, often you just dont know change is coming. Even
if youre personally involved, you may be looking the wrong way
at the time, like young William Perkin of London in 1856. Around
then, everybody wits looking for benzene rings and chemistry was
the flavor of the month, and Perkin, a chemist, was trying to be
the young science hero who would save the great British empire by
discovering the way to make artificial quinine chemically. You see,
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our administration and army chaps were dropping like flies out in
the Far Eastern colonies because of malaria, and artificial quinine
would have fixed things up right. Besides that, we were having to
buy natural quinine from the Dutch in Java, and they charged an
outrageous price for it. So that great motivator, money, was also
at work. Well, after a bit Perkin came up with some interesting
sludge, but one thing it wasnt was artificial quinine, so he threw
it down the sink, and discovered that he had invented the worlds
first aniline dye. Made a million.
Sometimes, though, you may be looking in the right direction,
but you dont see whats happening. In 1778, just after you people
had gone off on your own and left us with no more South Carolina
pitch to put on the bottom of our ships to protect them from rot,
the rather seedy ninth Earl of Dundonald in Scotland thought up
a plan to recoup the family fortunes by getting tar out of the coal
from a couple of mines on his land. This tar would replace the
pitch and make Dundonald a rich man. Unfortunately, the British
government had already shifted to copper-bottoming its ships, so
Dundonalds coal-heating kiln, where he made the tar, was useless,
and so were the vapors he had been watching coming out of the
kiln. In fact, hed even been lighting them and generally playing
around, shooting flames out of a tube. He happened to mention
this to his friend James Watt, and three years later, Watts sidekick
invented coal gas. Dundonald died in poverty.
However, even when you get what youre looking for and
you know youve got it, things can go haywire. Take Benjamin
Huntsman, clockmaker, looking for a better clock spring in 1740
because pendulum clocks were no good at sea and you needed
a clock to work out longitude, and in an era of great maritime
expansion east and west, longitude was kind of essential. Now
Huntsman happened to live near a glass works, and he saw the
glassmakers putting in chips of old broken bottles, doing high-
temperature remelts, and coming out with really great glass. So
he tried the trick with steel. It worked, and there was what he
wanted, the worlds greatest spring. The point was, Huntsmans
steel would also cut anything you could think of, so what it did
for the lathe, and machine tools in general, and micrometers,
and precision engineering, and steam engine cylinders, and the
whole Industrial Revolution was something nobody could ever have
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dreamed of-least of all Huntsman, who sat there saying, What

happened?
Sometimes the catalyst for major change will simply come in,
totally unexpectedly, from outside your paradigm. Take the case
of the compass. It came in from China via the Arabs in the twelfth
century. Nothing much happened until Sir Francis Drake came
back from over here complaining about the way the needle did
funny things when you got across t o this side of the Atlantic. Queen
Elizabeths doctor took time off (18 years) to look at why, and
decided that the Earth was a gigantic magnet with poles. OK,
so what? Well, to carry out his experiments, he built himself a
lot of balls of various substances-lodestone, amber, sulfur, glass,
and so on-to represent the Earth, so he could see what they did
to his compass. As he busily rubbed these balls to make them
attractive to his needle, he noted somewhat disinterestedly that
sulfur was very attractive, and added a minor footnote to that
effect. Around 1640 the mayor of Magdeburg in Germany, one
Otto Guericke, read the aforesaid footnote and tried the trick again.
While he was rubbing his sulfur ball one day to make it attractive, it
cracked and gave off a spark, and-yes, you guessed it-electricity.
From the compass. From China. Even if youd spoken Chinese you
wouldnt have seen that one coming!
One of the most common ways change is generated is through
interaction between one factor and another, and usually in unex-
pected concatenations. Take the skills a goldsmith has. Hes good
at working soft metals and using molten alloys, and the hallmark
of a good goldsmith is just that, his hallmark, the punch that puts
his impress on his work. If you are capable of seeing that punched
image in reverse, you can see how to cast a shape in the pattern
made by the punch. And the pattern could be a letter, in metal,
which is why printing was invented by a goldsmith-thats what
Gutenberg was.
This interaction that can lead to change is often caused by
imbalance, a kind of domino effect. The well-known modern one is
that of the superplants. They give great yield-better than the old,
less productive types. But they replace variety with a monoculture,
and, if disease hits that, youve got no fallback.
That kind of domino effect-the knock-on effect of imbalance
in one area upon another-gave us one of the major scientific
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discoveries in history. When cannons started being popular in the

mid-fourteenth century, they pushed up the demand for metal, and
that got people deeper into the ground than before. One of the
things they found was that the deeper you go, the wetter it can
get, and the old suction pumps wouldnt lift the water up higher
than about 30 feet. Well, this problem caused all sorts of grief
until one of Galileos boys, called Torricelli, worked out that it had
something to do with atmospheric pressure. A friend of a friend of
his went up a mountain with a tube of mercury to see if pressures
were different up there and down here. Well, they were, but what
was the gap at the top of the tube full of mercury? It was the thing
everybody said didnt exist-the vacuum. And suddenly you had
barometers, airpumps, a new view of interstellar space, and a very
different basis for science.
Now, the mechanism by which change can be generated isnt by
any means always a technology-technology interaction. Take the
ultimate effect of the telescope. When Galileo looked through it he
saw satellites circling Jupiter. That blew a hole in the Earth being
the center of everything, took humanity off its special philosophical
pedestal, and prepared the way for a universe that wasnt arranged
the way Aristotle had said, but the way Newton was to say-like a
giant clock, running by itself, with God maybe long gone on other
business. Religion took a knock from that from which it never fully
recovered.
The German mathematician and businessman Gottfried Leib-
niz, working on the planetary dynamic problem at the same time
as Newton and looking at the kinds of mathematics youd need to
measure infinitesimal rates of change in movement, decided that he
had his hands on a tool of cosmic philosophical significance. If you
could measure that infinitesimally, were you getting to be able to
measure the basic units of existence? If you were, said the philoso-
pher Immanuel Kant a bit later, you could discover and measure
the way all things shaded into all other things at that scale. The
new philosophy became known as. naturphilosophie.
Its concept of oneness in all spawned romantic poetry and mu-
sic, nationalism, and revolutions including yours. It wont surprise
you to know that Jefferson wm a naturphilosophe. Naturphiloso-
phie also helped to bring about modern medicine. In 1810 a French
surgeon named Xavier Bichbt, another follower of the new philos-
ophy, went looking for the vital, infinitesimally small bits in his
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business, and found body tissue-20 types of it. Incidentally, he

set the fashion for grave robbing and also noticed that, if you were
sick, changes showed up later on in the tissues of your unfortunate
corpse. Maybe these happenings could be correlated. So patholog-
ical anatomy was born, and with it the modern idea of disease as a
localized phenomenon, as well as the opportunity to look for, and
find, bacteria.
Canal building, spurred by the transportation needs of the
industrial revolution in Britain at the beginning of the last century,
turned up fossils in the strata they were cutting through. However,
mysteriously, some of the fossils were of animals that didnt exist
any more, and most of the strata didnt have fossilized humans
in them. Well, here was a big problem! God was supposed to
have made everything a t once, during creation, and yet here were
some animals that obviously had failed, and no people back at the
beginning of everything.
So what was this-mistakes by God, with some things having
been created later than others? Well, you know where that led. By
the time the geologists had finished discovering that the extent of
the entire fossil record through time was like an eyeblink compared
with the age of the Earth, it was a simple matter for the whole
thing to be organized into a new view of things by Darwin. This
brings us to the materialist, physicalist world we live in today,
where people maybe arent something special created by God in
his own image but just a pile of chemicals.
This is also a world where one interpretation of what Darwin
meant by the survival of the fittest boosts rugged individualism
and makes life not so easy on the underprivileged, and where his
idea of perfectable humans behaving according to laws like the rest
of the organisms in nature and, therefore, being part of societies
that perhaps can be changed for the better is alive and well and
regimented in the Siberian labor camps.
I went through all those examples of change in action at length
to give you a good idea why, when paradigms start to shift, the
unexpected way they go is a shock to the system. This is why any
time you do manage to produce a way of thinking or of doing things
that seems to work well, you hang onto it. If you can work out a
way to maximize what your society can do with the tools at its
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disposal-give it the widest flexibility in terms of individual action

and at the same time protect it from random, maverick action with
some kind of rules-great. Thats why the institutions survive;
theyre set up with the tools of the time and theyre systems
that permit routinization of the groups operating problems SO the
individual members can get on with working or having fun while
the institutions handle the day-to-day running of the place.
So we keep the institutions that appear to do a good enough
job because its easier than handling the problem of assessing
how well whatever new tools you might have come up with could
handle the same basic daily problems in radically restructured
institutions. So never mind if the institutions dont quite fit the
new paradigm youre moving into with your new tools; its better
than experimenting. Corn, after all, is only corn because its stood
the test of time. So most of the institutions we live with are, in
some aspect or another, anachronistic.
Take the law. Cross examination originated far from the court-
room, as a teaching technique in eleventh-century Italy for making
sense out of old manuscripts. The technique was called glossing.
Another institution, the language Im speaking now, effectively
froze when it was printed in grammars in the fifteenth century. The
modern university started life as a place in twelfth-century Bologna
designed to train lawyers to handle jurisdictional and property
cases, particularly between the Pope and the Emperor. Many of
the internal structures of our universities, at least in Britain, re-
main unchanged since that date. Representational government is
something that was thought up in the eighteenth century when
only the foolhardy few would risk the mud and the bandits to get
to London or Philadelphia.
We hang onto institutions as if they still meant what they
did originally, as if the paradigm in which they originated hadnt
shifted. We accept politicians talking about what they can do to
the economy as if the world still consisted of independent, separate
sovereign states whose acts had no effect on each other, or as if
the meaning of fundamental beliefs had not changed. One good
example is yours: Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
means nothing like what John Locke meant when he thought about
it in the seventeenth century. Our freewheeling adaptation of it
today would have shocked him rigid. Liberty for Locke meant
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The Legacy of Scaence
knowing and accepting where you stood in society and sticking

to the rules that governed social class mobility, such as it was.
Happiness meant amassing property and riches without being
bothered by government! He would have thought we were living in
anarchy.
Be that as it may, we regard the institutions and their associ-
ated slogans as helping to preserve cohesion and stability in our
paradigm-except that this is a cohesion and stability which is, as
youve seen, at best transient. Once the French philosopher and
permanent exile Rend Descartes got his hands on the way we in
the West thought, stability and permanence went out the window.
Before Descartes and his seventeenth-century paradigm shift, you
said credo ut intelligam-I believe, and through my belief I come
to understand. After him you switched it around: intelligo ut
credam-give me the facts and Ill let you know. In his great Dis-
c o w s Sur la Methode (or, how to think), he gave us the modern
approach. He called it methodical doubt. He said, If they tell you
its certain, call it probable. If its probable, call it possible, and if
the deal is that its possible, forget it. And Cartesian methodical
doubt is the engine of the modern scientific world and the bringer
of accelerating rates of change.
So, where have we ended up? If the mechanisms of change are
as serendipitous and as hard to second guess as I have suggested-
and we are, thanks to Descartes and others, in a world of increasing
rates of change-are there any lessons to be learned from the past
to help us at least adapt? Is it true that those who are not
prepared to learn from the past are condemned t o repeat it? Do
we really only know where were going if we know where weve
been? Well, there are repeating factors, back then, that seem to
be present when change occurs, much the way cholesterol is with
heart attacks, present and only maybe causative. First theres the
one that appears to be the most obvious, that change happens
because you need it-Necessity is the mother of invention and
all that. Theres an interesting study of Europe up through the
late Middle Ages that seems to show that innovation happens and
is taken up most in areas of marginal circumstances and stress, and
least where things are pretty comfortable.
Lets look at the ancient Egyptians. When youve established
the simple fact that once a year the Dog Star, Sirius, appears just
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before dawn (after having been invisible for seventy days) and one
day later the Nile floods and dumps fertilizer and water on the
land, and that it does so with extraordinary exactness every year,
you develop a calendar just to tell you which day Sirius is going
to appear, dig your irrigation canals, and sit back. Thats all you
need in the way of new tricks, so Egyptian society never changed
after that initial step. It never needed to, in 3000 years.
But the ancient Greeks? Well, put yourself in their position. In
the eighth century B.C. you live on narrow coastal strips in what
is now modern Turkey, in littIe city states with just enough to
survive on. The weather is lousy and uncertain, and the barbarians
are clobbering you with regularity. Youve got to get out and
trade, make a buck, just to keep going, so you think up ways of
systematizing the method of hustling business. You look up at the
sky, and what you see is not Sirius rising and nothing else; you see
a great road map for your seaborne traders to use. You work out
star tables to navigate by, and the more you look, the more you
see that the permanent perfection of the night sky is a lot different
from the temporary mess down here. So curiosity becomes a way
of life. No wonder the Greeks invented their particular form of
curiosity. (They called it philosophia.) Its what you get when
youre looking for answers.
In a sense, it was Greek philosophy, born of their difficult
circumstances, their desire for answers to questions, that started
change happening in Western culture. What got it accelerating,
though, was something else, and thats the ease with which people
communicated, moved ideas around. The easier you cross-talk, the
faster change happens.
Take medieval Europe. When the Vikings and the Saracens
and the Hungarians stopped the rape-and-pillage stuff in the tenth
century, people started coming out of the woodwork and building
little roads toward each other and traveling along them. The next
thing you know, you got the medieval water-powered industrial
revolution, which kicked the European economy into high gear
within three generations.
In the Renaissance, a hundred years after the arrival of printing,
you had 20 million books, most of them in specialties that could
only exist when the specialists had a way of reading each others
stuff. This gave us nothing less than the scientific revolution of the
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sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, and a slew of people talking

the kind of incomprehensible stuff most of you live with in your
area of expertise. Dont be insulted; how much do you understand
of the language of paleontology? Specialization is essential. Id
hate to have flown here in a plane designed by a plumber.
To return to my point about communication, in the nineteenth
century, after the development of electromagnetic systems for
moving messages around (Le., the telegraph and the telephone),
the whole body of modern science emerges-in particular, physics.
So, the ability to communicate seems to be a basic factor in
the mechanism of change, and we have communications today that
make earlier forms look like hieroglyphs painfully chiselled out in
stone. New developments in areas like magnetic bubble domain
memories and superconducting materials will enhance our ability
to use data beyond anything weve even begun to think of. With
our present facility for communication, were doing more of one
particular trick than at any time before. And that trick, it seems
to me, is putting things together.
Let me suggest a new axiom: juxtaposition is the spice of life.
Humanitys biggest talent, unique t o us, is juxtaposing, finding and
operating novel relationships between things or ideas. Indeed, at
the turn of this century in Vienna, a group of thinkers who were to
have a profound influence on Einstein (the positivists, led by Ernst
Mach) came t o the conclusion that all science could talk about was
relationships. This was after Michelson and Morley had failed to
find the ether. You remember that up in Cleveland in the 1880s
the two of them were looking for a medium that would be the
carrier of light, magnetism, and electricity. Everybody called this
medium ether. Well, Michelson and his friend were trying to
show that the two halves of a split light beam would come back
together again, out of phase, because one-half had been shot in
the direction of the Earths travel (against the so-called stream of
ether) and would take a while, and the other, which had gone
perpendicular to the ether, and so wouldnt suffer drag, would
return early. Actually, there had been no difference at all. The
beams arrived back simultaneously.
Then Fitzgerald, in Dublin, made things worse by saying that
this was because the forward motion of the Earth was contracting
one part of the instrument exactly the right amount to give the
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forward-moving beam a shorter route to travel, so it could get

back exactly that much faster, and match its other half. And, the
experiment could never be carried out without that happening. SO,
whether or not there was an ether, youd never be able to find out,
since all you could get would be the local-effect results from your
work. That led the positivists to state that science could only ever
produce relative, not absolute, results. All you could talk about
was relationships.
But I mean relationships in a rather more limited sense-the
sense of the way properly original thinking involves juxtapositions
that have never happened before. Of all the mechanisms of change,
it seems to me that this is the fundamental one, the on-the-spot
local fitting together of disparate phenomena that comes up with
the kind of changes Ive been describing. This ability to juxtapose
is not a very surprising one; its logical enough in the light of our
own neurophysiology.
Recent ideas on neural activity suggest that the brain operates
in a very associative way, with small neuron clusters containing
core concepts, rather in the way a battery holds a trickle charge.
These core concepts would be irreducibly small fragments of sounds
or sights, or any phenomena that you experience. And these
clusters are all, in some way, apparently interconnected, set up
in microcolumns and macrocolumns, each column made up of-
millions of these lit,tle clusters of neurons. Now, if you consider
that the brain passes information by means of synaptic junctions
(the bits where one neuron almost touches another) and that there
are potentially more of those kinds of connections in the brain
than there are atoms in the known universe, you get a feel for the
immensity of the network. With this associative system, to retrieve
data, you go in, so to speak, anywhere on the network and find the
target by association. Given the scale of things, an associative
approach might be the only way the whole huge complex could
work. Anyway, retrieval by association would be a good survival
mechanism, because it would make you very flexible.
The other interesting thing about functioning in that associative
way is that as you head along the associative links toward the
target, you may become aware of other core clusters that you
werent aware of before, because in a sense you simply drive through
them. That, in the simplest sense, would be why the brain is
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capable of associative chains of thought like this one: look, see,

water, glass, mirror, image, painting, oil, Arabs, desert, sand,
castle, and so on. Its why poetry works: What oft was said
but neer so well expressed.
Jokes appear to work like that too; the punch line makes an
association you hadnt thought of before, and you laugh because
you didnt get to the new associative link before the person telling
the joke (which is bad for survival, but, as it turned out, you werent
in any danger). Let me try what I mean. Take the concepts bird
and fruit. All of you have those concepts associated in your own
personal way in your network. I dont know whether its like mine,
with bird and fruit associated by trees, but let me see if I
can put those two concepts together in a way that theyve not been
put together in your brain before, and well see if my theory works.
A drunk goes up to his host at a party and says, with all that
clarity used by the very small and young: Excuse me. Do lemons
whistle? To which his host replies: No, lemons dont whistle.
Why do you ask? And the drunk says, very chagrined: Oh. In
that case, I have just squeezed your canary into my gin and tonic.
You see what I mean. What Im saying is that the basic
mechanism of change-the juxtaposition, in a novel relationship, of
apparently unrelated phenomena- may operate in the same way
a good joke does! It may also be why change is almost always so
serendipitous and unexpected-and hard to forecast.
Given all Ive said so far, let me be extremely speculative. Weve
seen how the model Im talking about functions, and some of the
ways in which its changed. Weve seen how difficult it is from
within the paradigm to see why moving to a new model would be
beneficial-Better to keep the devil you know.
Weve seen that when paradigms are about to crack, theres
generally some social unrest going on. In Copernicuss time it
was barbecuing freethinkers (they called them heretics). With
Darwin it was supposed to be the end of beliefs and standards.
In the thirteenth century they said paper would devalue the words
written on it, and for Gutenberg it was, Printing will take away
our memories.
With us, its all the words you see in the media: alienation,
frustration, me-generation, immorality, illiteracy, and so on. So
i is our paradigm about to go through some of the agonies Ive
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been describing? Is it due t o shift? Well, obviously it is. But

let me suggest that instead of moving to a radically new paradigm,
we may, because of the tremendous facility for interaction that
communications gives us, be moving to a no-paradigm culture.
If a paradigm is, and has always been, a structure built on an
agreed core of common beliefs, knowledge, value judgments, social
constraints, and so on, then are we heading the opposite way, to a
situation of no common agreed center, of shifting, pragmatic local
standards, with failure of what we used to call consensus and re-
gionalism globally on the increase again after the early years of P a x
Americana, with the nation-state obsolete, and so on? We would
be a society physically and psychologically fragmented, because
with soft energy options and telecommunication, centralization
and economies of scale (those catchwords of the last years of the
Industrial-Revolution paradigm were coming to the end of) are no
longer necessary.
To those of us condemned to repeat the lessons of history
because we wont learn from them, what Im describing sounds
like a frightening prospect. Chaos is what it sounds like, but
isnt whats happening just a paradigm shifting (like all the others
did) because were ready for the shift? Change occurs ultimately
because we want it to. We have the tools because at some time
we decided we wanted them. These new tools, provided by science
and technology, are more than just tools-theyre instruments of
social revolution, violent or peaceful. As the tools change, so too
does the ability of society to organize itself.
Once we needed god-kings, or feudal lords, or absolute mon-
archs, or no sex before marriage, or empires, or 12-hour days, or
whatever, to keep ourselves together. Now, maybe, we dont need
centralized social structures and rigid regulatory mechanisms any
more. We are, after all, as Immanuel Kant said, creatures of the
imperative. If the ethics start to get in the way, we dump them.
But lets take a brief look at the kind of behavioral social
dumping we may be up against with some of the possible results
of our newfound abilities t o initiate change much more readily and
rapidly because we can juxtapose things inside the computer, where
we have a facility for juggling the mix like never before, at a rate
and in volume almost astronomical. And, by the way, for those
of you who feel nice and safe because of the old sayings Garbage
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in, garbage out and A machine is only as good as the people

punching the buttons, try some of the newer heuristic systems
that learn from their own experience.
The main thing, it seems to me, is to remember that technology
manufactures not gadgets, but social change. Once the first tool
was picked up and used, that was the end of cyclical anything. The
tool made a new world, the next one changed that world, the one
after that changed it again, and so on. Each time the change
was permanent. Using the tool changes the user permanently,
whether we like it or not. Once when I was in Moscow talking
to academician Petrov, I said, Why dont you buy American
computers to get you into space quicker and more effectively?
He replied, No fear; theyd make us think like Americans.
You only have to go back a few years in this century to see how
our gestalt, our way of behaving, our values, have been changed
by science. If I say just a few names, youll get my point: the
Pill, calculators, jet airplanes, television. Take those examples
and look at their secondary social effects. Yes, the Pill has made
family planning feasible, but now the Third World regards it as a
suspicious imperialist Western trick to keep their numbers down
while we go on with our economic imperialism.
Calculators have changed the meaning of testing people in cer-
tain kinds of knowledge, which we need to do to ensure publicly
accepted standards of professional ability. Jets mean people can
now fly and visit the ends of the Earth, but they also mean that
we export our way of life and our sometimes unacceptable value sys-
tems to places that neither want nor need them. Television makes
my life one of totally vicarious experiences. It gives me packaged
glimpses of the world beyond my horizons, takes away my com-
fortable preconceptions, and replaces them with glossy, quick-fix
substitutes that are even less good to me than my preconceptions
were. All I know now is that I dont know!
To get back to my dumping idea, you see how the gadget
changes more than just what the ad says it will do. With our rates
of change, the only constant in our paradigm may well become
change itself. All you can be sure of about tomorrow is that it
will go on being different, and, if youre lucky, only at the same
accelerating rate.
Above all, the judgmental systems from the old paradigms may
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not work in that world. Today we are, in fact, the last of the old
world, living with institutions that are already creaking, facing
twenty-first-century problems with nineteenth-century attitudes.
Most of us find difficult to accept what we might have to dump.
We face questions like these:
If criminality is caused by XYY chromosomes, who do you
blame for a crime, and why do you punish at all?
When everybody has a home computer work station, what
happens to unions, the infrastructure that runs the roads and
transportation systems, the community life that work in a
central location means, the new isolation of being alone most
of the time?
If data banks carry all the knowledge we possess, to be accessed
at need, what will be the purpose of memory, of knowing
anything? And what happens if what you got from the machine
yesterday (what well call what you know) is different when
you go back to the machine today?
If you have no expertise because expertise is no longer necessary,
what are you left with?
If technology provides virtually free energy, with the ability to
turn anything into anything else (which we can already do-
its just too expensive to be feasible), and we no longer need
the raw materials we used to because we can now make them,
what happens to the materials producers in the Third World?
Unlimited energy, the so-called philosophers stone, brings far
more questions than answers. Not the least of these is the new
importance it will have for the planetary heat budget, which at
the moment is pretty much only the business of nature.
Well, my guess is (and here I remind you of the unquestionable
value of any guess made from within the inevitable limitations of
our paradigm) that were all headed for one of two kinds of future.
In one future, we take on the new data systems the way we
took on all the other tools in the past, with a view to making them
do what weve always done up to now, only better, faster, and
cheaper. In this case, I think were in for a dose of Luddite reaction
as our social structures fail to take the strain of that much shift
that fast in the working habits of the population, not to mention
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the redundancies that come if all you do is replace people with

machines. The other problem with that old-paradigm approach is,
of course, that you do what Bell up at Yale says, and turn into
a two-class society. You have the numerate, who have access t o
and ability to maximize use of the data systems, and you have the
leisured serfs, who dont, and who get paid for a 10-hour week with
nothing to do but wish they knew how to use their spare time.
It has often been said that the public doesnt appreciate the
speed with which things have developed in data systems. I like the
analogy that if your Rolls Royce had done what computers have
done over the last 20 years, it would cost a dollar and do a million
miles to the gallon. People, I think, just dont understand the
velocity with which this new post-Gutenberg era is coming toward
us.
The other future I mentioned is a good deal more difficult to
forecast. Its very much up in the air. All I can do is to be
extremely speculative again. I suppose what Im suggesting is a
crash restruchring of the educational system. Ive been a teacher
myself, so I know how easy this is to say and how difficult to
do. However, if we were to manage some kind of interdisciplinary
curriculum that taught people not the facts, which would be
obsolete before they used them, but how to use the data systems
to juxtapose, to look for relationships in knowledge, to see patterns
in the way things happen and affect their lives, then perhaps we
would be moving toward a very different type of society, one free
of a central paradigm at all.
After all, the only need there ever was for a paradigm was
based on the strictures placed on society by its contemporary
tools-or rather, lack of them. Now we have a tool-electronic
data systems-that could lift almost all of those strictures from
us, that could create a society that might be pluralistic in the
extreme, lacking in any of the virtues we now ascribe to concensus,
materialistic in every sense, highly articulate, what we would
call unethical and immoral (what it would call pragmatic), self-
sufficient (what we would call isolationist), libertarian (what we
would call permissive), and above all, open-minded, curious, and
tolerant.
Sounds like a weird mix? Well, you asked me here to speculate.
But in one sense its what weve been heading for all along-a kind
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of controlled anarchy, kept in balance by the electronics. Its the

truest version yet of what John Locke meant by the unfettered
pursuit of happiness by every man. And if the vision bothers you,
remember that once we decide that the paradigm is shifting, we
adapt extremely quickly. Your great-grandmother, after all, would
have thought you a drug addict for taking an aspirin.
Question: You discussed the future paradigm as perhaps being

nonexistent. Is it possible that the paradigm might be evolving
just as human evolution evolved to the point where it is reaching
its own sense of oneness with its future? In other words, we are
part of the paradigm and the paradigm is what is evolving. We are
part of the evolution.
Answer: The great thing about that question is that its
unanswerable. I mean, by definition its shear speculation again.
All we can do is talk about it because were inside the paradigm.
These wild speculative guesses are set in concrete because theyre
within my paradigm. If they sound wild you should hear what
happens if you come from another planet.
Question: At the end of your talk you quoted Locke and said
we should all seek our own happiness. Happiness is a paradigm.
We all live in dreams. Every person has his own idea of what
happiness is. We have paradigms that are imposed on us by the
world, but we each have our own paradigm. I dont know what
human life means without dreams that are paradigms.
Answer: Yes, I think thats very well said. All I was suggesting
was that this might become more possible than in the past. I
didnt mean that you lose your paradigm. I meant that perhaps
your paradigm becomes a little less constrained by everybody elses
paradigm.
Question: As scientists working for the government we are often
asked to forecast what new inventions we might come up with over
the next year. I wonder what implications that has for our role in
bringing innovation into the world.
Answer: I think its a superb example of what I was talking
about. The government decides to make you decide what youre
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going to discover, and if you dont come up with it you lose the
grant!
Question: Of all the countries youve worked in, which one, in
your opinion, provides the best education, and, in particular, how
do you view education in the United States?
Answer: That sure sounds like a quick way t o get my head
chopped off! I think educational systems tend to be structured
according to the societies in which they work. I mean, our
educational system in England is extremely difficult, different from
yours, and very elitest. A very small percentage of us go to
university, and were used to choosing the subject that we study
at university a t the age of 16. We specialize in only two subjects
from ages 16 to 18, and we then take a national examination in
those two or three subjects. Only one of those subjects is what
we go to university for, if we pass a competitive examination to
get a place at the university, and the ratio is usually about three
or four hundred people to each place. Now, we have to have an
elitest educational system like that because we are very small and
weve become quite poor ever since we lost the jolly old empire. If
we didnt have that kind of high-quality turnout we wouldnt have
enough people producing enough stuff on the market for us to sell
anything to anybody. So I think we have an elitest educational
system not because its a hangover from the old imperial days, but
because if we dont produce a very, as it were, sharp-edged elite
intellectually, we wont be able to compete with giants like you on
the market.
Question: I would like to ask whether the, what shall I say,
elite in Britain and perhaps in Western Europe believe in full
employment not merely because of the necessity for having the
things that people produce when theyre fully employed, but rather
as occupational therapy for the masses, around the idea that idle
hands do the devils work, and that whereas intellectuals can keep
their minds occupied and out of mischief, the common man is not
capable of this. George Orwell said something like this (and its not
something I agree with), but I would remark that Eric Hoffer said
the common man was lumpy with talents and could do all kinds of
things besides produce goods and shouldnt be viewed merely as a
production machine. Can you speak to that, sir?
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Answer: Well, I cant speak for all of Europe, but I think the
French probably think that full employments essential and theyve
had four devaluations of the franc as a result. It seems to me
that full employment is a relatively new phenomenon. Weve slid
over into economics, and Im extremely worried-I think anybody
with any sense and honesty always is, in that subject. However,
I believe Im right in saying that full employment is a twentieth-
century phenomenon. The concept didnt exist to any great extent
at all prior to that. And I think it probably came at the tail end
of a very healthy, burgeoning post-Industrial Revolution in both
America and Europe. I think what were seeing now is a transition
period to what Bell calls a post-industrial society, and its a period
aided and abetted, of course, by the recession, which is caused not
by the fact that we cant switch paradigms but because oil costs a
great deal. I think the situation, fortunately for me, is so confused
that no clear statement can be made on it by me or anybody else
except a politician.
Question: If I understand you correctly, it seem5 to me that
youre putting out the impression that our technology is running
away from our society. In other words, its speeding up at a rate
that we cant quite keep up with. In the past, when this has
happened to societies, some major upheaval has occurred, whether
it be sociological or financial, economical, or revolutionary, like
wars. Do you have any idea what is going to cause us t o catch up
with our rapidly advancing technology?
Answer: Well, I think part of what I said earlier indicates what
I think about that. First let me just dispel any idea that I believe
in the so-called force of technology. I mean, technology is what
people do. You invent the tool because you want it, or because you
perceive an imbalance or a need, or youre just greedy. You say, I
want this piece of technology, and it comes into existence and you
use it. I think society gets technology as it gets governments that
it deserves. Sometimes, but not very often, technology tends to go
a little faster than our ability to keep up with it. Im not sure that
this has happened to any great extent in the past, but Im sure
that its about to happen now. I think anybody with any sense
would recognize that electronic data systems are going to make a
quantum leap in terms of the effect of juxtapositioning, as I said
earlier. As to what we can do about it, it seems to me that the
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only way to get into it is through the educational process. Its too
quick, and you cant have a quick-fix answer. Its no good teaching
us what to do. I think youve got to begin with the children who
are 4 years old now and start the process there. As I said, I just
hope some teachers who are better than I am at organizing this
kind of thing in education, which is tremendously difficult, will get
on with it, but I cant see any other way of doing that. We are up
against a period of very difficult transition.
Question: Being somewhat of a video game fanatic, Ive noticed
that extremely small children play video games much better than
anyone else. Theyre well adapted to the electronic age because
they have far fewer preconceptions, apparently. The way things are
going, it looks as if things are going to get less and less expensive
and more and more reachable in terms of the spread of technology
and the spread of knowledge. Everyone can learn. Even if we
cant feed everybody in India, we can teach them all how to read.
Pretty soon everybody will have his own terminal. Now, over the
years, one of the major complaints of the Third World, even the
Third World in the United States, has been that they never had
the chance to get a leg up because they were deprived from the
start. So, could it be possible now that we really will achieve a
parity of sorts because everybody will have the same chance once
this technology becomes more equally spread?
Answer: Well, it depends entirely on what regulations are
applied to the use of the technology. If I live in a totalitarian
state and I produce a computer you can bet the people who use
it are going to use it in a very different way than they use it in
Spokane. As Petrov said to me, I dont want American computers;
they make us think like Americans. So, first of all, I think the
thing youre discussing is a matter primarily of social and political
consequence. Technology doesnt do things to us; we, I hope, do
things to technology. So, the fact that every man has his own
computer does not necessarily mean that we will have instant parity
and literacy everywhere and a bright and happy future, because
there are a lot of governments that would like to make sure that
half their population only ever plays video games. Keeps them
quiet. Its no good having all the terminals in the world unless
youve been taught to ask the questions. If youre given all the
knowledge that ever existed, where do you start? How do you
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know how to structure your approach to the knowledge? I dont

think that the mere existence of the games presupposes that were
on the verge of that kind of understanding.
Question: Mr. Burke, in your book Connections you speak
about the development of fusion power, which could provide unlim-
ited energy, yet it also gave us the bomb. You seem very optimistic
about the future as it applies to free peoples, lets say Western Eu-
rope and America. What do you see in the future for change in the
Soviet bloc, or in Russia?
Answer: I dont think Im blindly optimistic. I think we have a
great survival capacity, we human beings; otherwise there wouldnt
be a crowd of us in this room tonight. Weve survived an awful lot
of vicissitudes. So, in that sense Im a long-term optimist, because
I believe in evolution. In the short term Im not too sure whether
somebodys going to put a nuclear device downtown somewhere in
the world and that will be goodbye everything, possibly. So Im
not sure that Im just a straight optimist in that sense. I think the
business about what would happen in societies that are less free
relates to what I was saying earlier about the kinds of societies that
Professor Bell suggests we might be coming up against, in which
the technology is a marvelous way of imprisoning people. You can
as easily imprison people with it as free them. Go back to Petrov.
Theyre going to make their computers to function the way they
want them to because they dont want to have to start thinking
like we do. In this sense, your question does tie in to the previous
question in that the technology by itself is nothing; therefore, what
youre talking about is again a political thing. You can as easily
imprison people with computers as liberate them. It seems to me
thats all one can say about it.
Question: With your rich background in the development of
technology, Id like to know if one thing that I think that Ive
noticed in my lifetime has a precedent in history. When I was a
kid I remember that cars had a top speed on the highway of 55 mph,
and then they souped up the highways and the cars and started
going 65 mph, then 70 mph, and then there was a choice to go back
to 55 mph because it wasnt safe and because it used up too much
fuel. On the issue of nuclear power, even if there hasnt been any
sort of decision as far as moving away from nuclear power and the
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other sorts of technologies that have come out of it, at least the
dangers have become very much more a question now than they
ever were. Its not that a technology came in which was questioned
and then accepted; its a matter of a technology that came in and
was accepted first and then questioned. Im just wondering if thats
something new.
Answer: Technology assessment, as far as I can see, is quite
new, yes. I think it has to do with the fact that we are more
capable of discussing these matters among ourselves than we ever
were before. I think that when two or three people are gathered
together they start to ask questions. I dont think that has been the
case before on this kind of scale. I can think of inventions that came
ahead of their time and werent used, but not as a result of cogent
argued discussion among members of the community, because there
really wasnt any such thing before 1900. My favorite invention
that didnt get anywhere was Voltaires electric gas bomb. It had a
spark igniting this mal aria, what they called bad air, but nobody
really did anything with it until the spark plug came along, under
totally different circumstances.
Question: Could you speculate as to whether or not there
could ever be communication, and I ask this technically, between
the hearts of men? Im very nervous about how youll take that.
In view of the confrontation we have between East and West and
the nuclear aspects, all the communication we have today doesnt
seem to be breaking through some problem area there. This is
very philosophical or theological, but if you care to speculate on it
I would appreciate it, sir.
Answer: I dont know how you encourage people t o have one
heart talk to another. I presume you dont mean the pump, you
mean more than that. Im always attracted to the fact that the only
purely democratic, purely objective, purely self-regulating, purely
honest activity known to mankind is science. Everything else is
lies and partial views. There is nothing you can do about the fact
that when I drop this piece of paper, it falls. You cant tell lies
about that. I cant think of how you can tell lies about it. And it
seems to me, therefore, that Ive gone into this spurious, superficial
television approach to try to tell people about science principally
because I believe that science is the truest possible route to what
you do want to happen.
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I remember once we were having a discussion in the BBC when

there was regionalism in Britain, when Scotland was going to
secede, and the BBC began seriously to consider maybe moving
some of its offices out into the provinces to find out what the grass
roots thought. Well, somebody killed the idea by saying, If you
tell me what the difference between Edinburgh physics and London
physics is, Ill move to Edinburgh. It seems to me, as I say this,
that the way I describe science gives me the hope that its the only
way one can survive because everything else has to be persuasion,
partial view, opinion, and belief. But nobody can alter the fact
that this page drops when I let it go.
Accomplishments
of Science
by the Year 2000
Jules Bergman
Jules Bergman
As the first full-time television network science editor in the US,

ABC News Science Editor Jules Bergman covered all 37 manned
flights in the US space program, beginning with the original seven
Mercury astronauts and the Space Task Group at NASA Langley
Research Center. He frequently participated in the astronauts
rigorous training programs and flight simulations. He also covered
the historic US-USSR joint Apollo-Soyuz Test Project and the fall
of the American Skylab. In the 1960s, when the US was deeply
involved in its emerging space program, Bergmans reports were the
main source of information on this subject for many Americans. A
pilot himself, Bergman has also covered the first flights of almost
every new US military and commercial aircraft as well as major
airline disasters around the world.
In the 19709, Bergman turned more of his attention to docu-
mentary work, winning an Emmy Award for his contributions as
co-writer and narrator of the ABC documentary Closeup on Fire.
He has written and narrated documentary programs dealing with
the energy crisis, sports injuries, aircraft and automobile safety,
the hazards of asbestos, and nuclear power. In the spring of 1979
Bergman contributed to ABCs coverage of the nuclear power plant
accident at Three Mile Island.
In the field of medicine, Bergman covered the beginning of
the transplant era as well as various new developments in cancer
treatment. More recently he reported on the swine flu controversy
and the legionnaires disease mystery for both the ABC Evening
News and ABCs Good Morning America. He occasionally hosts
ABCs Sunday afternoon interview program Issues and Answers,
questioning guests from the fields of science and space. Bergman
has won many awards for scientific journalism and has written
numerous articles on space and science for such magazines as
Readers Digest, The New York Times Magazine, and Esquire. He
is a native of New York City and attended City College of New
York, Indiana University, and Columbia College. He completed
postgraduate studies at Columbia University, where he held a
Sloan-Rockefeller Advanced Science Writing Fellowship.
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Accomplishments of Science by the Year 2000
By the year 2000 well be flying o n supersonic

transports or, more likely, hypersonic transports.
Well have put the genetic code t o work and begun
t o engineer out congenital birth defects and inherited
diseases. Well have made a real start toward the pre-
vention and conquest of both heart disease and can-
cer. T h e normal life span should be 85 to 90 years,
and anybody suggesting mandatory retirement at
age 65 wall face unthinkable punishment. However,
these advances require that this country correct its in-
adequacy in science and technology. We are living
off the past and ignoring the future. Other industrial
countries now t u r n out more engineers a n d scientists
than we do. The United States needs a manned space
station-it m a y be the most worthwhile investment
in future technology and science that we can make.
We should also start planning for a manned Mars
mission. Of course, it would be so expensive that n o
single nation could aflord it, which i s probably good.
It would t h e n become a n International Mars Mission
and would involve at least the United States, West-
ern Europe, Japan, and very possibly Russia. S u c h a
joint mission could pave the way for world disarma-
ment.
As a society, we walk a tightrope between limbo and extinction.

Were on a threshold of survival, in a society threatened as never
before to find the way, with less and less margin for error. The
decades ahead to the year 2000 and beyond, as were the decades
just past, can be either interrogative, presumptuous, or insane.
And we have to create our own flight plan, because this Earth
didnt come with one telling us how to get t o the future safely.
The winds of change are blowing across this land. Were a nation
that cant afford many more crash landings, yet we keep putting
untrained pilots in the cockpit and thinking well all somehow come
out all right. No way. No longer.
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Todays climate of controversy, confusion, and too often outright

hysteria, compounded by exaggeration and often lies, has brought
us to a real crisis, a crisis of confidence in ourselves, a crisis of
credibility, and were all close to totally disbelieving one another
in this country, the media and the government, the people and the
government, and sometimes, although not enough, the people and
the media. You dont ask us enough questions. The days news
leaves even us in the news business feeling stupified, outraged, and
heipless. The whole thing reminds me of the 91-year-old astronaut
who was asked for his views on homosexuality and replied, They
used to hang men for it in my grandfathers day. In my fathers
day, they put people in prison for it. Now its permitted. Well,
I want to get out of here before it becomes compulsory! Or, as
one researcher friend puts it, Its always darkest just before it gets
totally black. The lesson of the past, if there is one, is that we
cant ignore the future. It is here, now, and inescapable.
Right after Sputnik, 25 years ago, you may recall we were
warned that we lacked enough engineers and scientists, so engi-
neering schools were enlarged. Classes doubled, and the liberal arts
and humanities were sacrificed when they neednt have been. Now
were entering a new era, the era of microminiaturization. After
a lengthy study, the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) warned
that were raising a new generation of Americans who are scientif-
ically and technologically illiterate. Other countries, specifically
Russia, China, and Japan, put much greater emphasis on math
and science education than we do. Russia graduates 300000 engi-
neers a year; Japan, with half of our population, 75000; and the
US, 60000. The number of class hours spent on math, science,
and engineering in those countries is about three times greater,
according to the NAS report, than those spent by even the most
science-oriented students in the US. That report has already gone
to each of the nations 16000 school districts and school boards.
As for the Japanese, theyre so far ahead of us in many areas that
they actually have the answers to our problems before we know we
have a problem.
Its not all bad news technologically; the lesson of the past
is that we underestimate the future. The history of science is
loaded with underestimates, short-sightedness, and skepticism. In
the March 1904 issue of The Popular Science Monthly, a famous
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engineer reviewed the first flight of the Wright Brothers at Kitty

Hawk. Half the newspapers neglected the event, thinking the
Wrights pure nuthatches and the story too ludicrous even to
deserve mention. If there had been television, we would have
covered it just to show you the crash. The famous engineer, Octave
Chanute, looked deep into his crystal ball and predicted that such
flying machines may even carry mail in special cases, but the useful
loads carried will be very small. The machines will eventually be
fast, they will be used in sport, but they are not to be thought of
as commercial carriers.
A new climate of almost hysterical disregard for the technologi-
cal needs of an overpopulated world has sprung up, a world which
would starve and succumb to disease if we tried to return to the
simple life of a century ago. Technology must not be destroyed;
it can and must be controlled, and not with distortions leading
to erroneous conclusions, not with unproven charges. As Admiral
Rickover once put it, Half truths are like half a brick; they can be
thrown farther.
Let me give you two examples of leaping to conclusions without
the full facts. Back in the 1890s, a certain California newspaper
was apprehensive about the harmful effects the railroads would
have on the environment. If the trains crossed the Mojave to get
to the Pacific, this newspaper editorialized, the huge iron rails
will reverse the Earths magnetic field with catastrophic effects.
Now thats real science! One hundred forty years ago, the Royal
Society in England warned against the railroads, claiming that at
speeds over 30 mph, the air supply to the passenger compartment
would be cut off and people would die of asphyxiation. And the
college of physicians in Munich, for its part, warned that at 30 mph,
travelers would suffer headaches, vertigo, and possibly lose their
sight because of a blurring effect. Over 30 mph, great catastrophes
were predicted, because everyone knew that even a twig would
shatter the wheels. In 1936, to come closer to the present, a
War Department colonel visited Robert Goddard, the father of
American rocketry, who had by then clearly demonstrated the
practicality of the rocket. The colonel, doubtless fresh from the
calvary in George Custers historic triumph a t Little Big Horn,
dismissed Goddards work as sheer poppycock of no practical use
in modern warfare. After World War 11, Wernher von Braun said
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that it was Goddards work that led the Germans directly to both
the V-1 and V-2 rockets. It was Goddard, by the way, who left
us with this legacy: It is difficult to say what is impossible, for
the dream of yesterday is the hope of today and the reality of
tomorrow. To put it another way, as Santayana did, Those who
do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat its mistakes.
We in the media have learned to view prose, projections, and
predictions with a jaundiced eye. As a famed aircraft accident
report concluded, and I cite this to my engineering friends all the
time, Extrapolation is the fertile parent of error. Enough of
the reports and predictions that have crossed my desk in the last
decade have suffered from exactly that fault to teach me to be
supercautious. As Pogo once said, We have met the enemy and
he is us. To which we might add, we have faults we have hardly
used yet.
The Space Shuttle is the beginning of an era, one of our
practical utilization of space as well as of its exploration. I
envision our use of space to be about one-third commercial, one-
third military, and one-third scientific. There are, by the way,
nearly 400 communications satellites already in orbit. They have,
of course, revolutionized our society, giving us everything from
cheaper phone calls over longer distances to better TV signals.
When the President promised us that the era had come to safeguard
our security, he was referring to Star War type lasers and particle
beam weapons, which, as you know, are already in progress. Lasers
are working experimentally and have shot down drone planes and
missiles and bored holes through the solid steel sides of target ships.
Particle beams may be just a scientific figment of fiction, but can we
afford that risk when the Russians are fast moving ahead in their
development? I dont think so. I think that all research has to be
done, all thats realistically profitable when decided by reasonable
men of intelligence. As for the Star Wars speech, I happen to
believe that it was pure politics to get the defense budget through
Congress.
Arthur C. Clarke, who is credited as the father of the commu-
nications satellite, once wrote that every revoluEionary idea seems
to evoke three stages of reaction which may be summed up by the
phrases (1) its completely impossible; dont waste my time, (2) its
possible, but its not worth doing, (3) I said it was a good idea all
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along. We are gathered to talk about the future, or a reasonable

facsimile thereof, if there is to be any future. For a generation with
so much ahead of it, technologically and exploratively, we seem to
have an abnormal fear of the future. We have nothing t o fear if we
act and act now. And it doesnt apply so much to the engineering
types out there as to the public across the country. As Kirkegaard
once said, It is not at all true that the scientist goes after truth; it
goes after him. Or, as Wilbur Wright put it back in 1909, There
are three classes of people: one class thinks the flying machine is
going to do everything, the second class thinks its going to do
nothing, and the third class gets in the air and sees what it can
do.
Too many of us die too young in this country. Medical care is
obviously our single most explosive crisis, whether it concerns the
ghetto dweller in many major cities, for whom the emergency room
has become his doctors office, or the rural resident, who finds that
his doctors office disappeared a long time ago. A few years ago,
everybody was shouting about the doctor shortage. Politicians
said we were 50 000 doctors short. Medical schools enlarged their
classes, and special loan funds were established. Well, well soon
have 600000 practicing doctors in this country, nearly twice the
number we had 15 years ago, and it has now become obvious that
we never really had a doctor shortage; we had a doctor dislocation,
with too many grouped in the most attractive or well-paying cities
and too few elsewhere. We still have, by the way, far too many
surgeons and far too few GPs, internists, and pediatricians. The
most dramatic example I know is that New York City alone has
twice the number of neurosurgeons as all of Russia. Medicine in
this country is in the middle of a mass care and inflation crisis.
There are 30 million poor in America. For them, death comes
earlier, illness is twice as frequent, and there is four times as much
chronic illness. The poor believe that poverty is disease and they
are right. If you are poor, the risk of dying under the age of 25 is
four times the national average.
The really major steps that lie ahead in conquering disease are
in brand new fields: bioelectronics, or new kinds of biochemistry
that may even eliminate some forms of disease. To get better
care, discovery must be initiated and urgently encouraged. New
hospitals are needed with more efficient, newer physical plants that
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can be run more cheaply; otherwise, the nation is on the verge of

medically bankrupting itself. The old answers no longer work. New
methods of diagnosis that are less invasive, such as CAT scanners
or NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance), are part of the answer.
After youve covered as many medical stories as I have and
been in and out of as many hospitals as I have, both vertically and
horizontally, as newsman and as patient, you realize that the old
answers have mostly failed. The cost of medical care has got to be
lowered. Some costs, such as labor, are virtually fixed. Roughly
66 percent of every hospital dollar goes for labor. Medical care last
year was still the most rapidly rising area of inflation, increasing
by 11.7 percent in 1982 and virtually the same percentage in 1981.
And it may get worse. The Irving Trust Company in New York
ran a study last year of its own medical costs for its employees.
The results were frightening. They showed that medical costs rose
40 percent in 1981 and 1982, and their projections for 1983 are
another 40 percent. As for medical costs overall, there are some
cuts that can be made in lab tests. For example, at costs that now
exceed 21 billion dollars a year across the country, too many of these
tests are useless or redundant. A University of California study
calls them CUTS- conditionally useless tests ; what a marvelous
acronym that is. When the outcome is predictable by any doctor
with the information he already has, many such tests come from
fear of malpractice suits. Society is being nickeled, dimed, and
dollared to death.
As for artificial organs, we can look back on the Barney Clark
story just a few months ago. What did it teach us? What did
it mean? Beyond his personal saga of courage, there are these
simple facts. No more than 5 percent of heart disease cases suffer
from worn out heart muscle, or cardiac myopathy, so no more
than 5 percent can be helped by artificial hearts or transplants.
Compare that to the simple fact that 85 percent of heart disease
patients have hardening of the arteries or cardiac artery disease.
Those are the ones who need bypasses or perhaps the new laser
vaporizing techniques to clean out their plaque, if it works. It
does in animals, and many hospitals are now testing it in humans.
Another 12 percent have valve disease. So we rapidly see that only
a few percent can be helped with artificial hearts. Is it worth the
estimated 200 million dollars in research funds that the mechanical
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heart development costs, in this era of shrinking research funding?

I pose the question, but I do not answer it, for I am now wise
enough to know that if its your loved one who is dying and might
be helped, no price tag can be put on survival. And although the
Barney Clark case may just be the beginning, it is new technology,
and as you heard, there is no telling where it can lead.
Let me point out a few things that need more attention and
are not getting it. First, not enough young medical scientists are
going into research. You can hardly blame them when a third-
year resident makes about $25 000 a year, whereas research grants
for individuals with the same training average about $16000 a
year. Soon it will not be just autos, steel, and our high-technology
industries that are slipping away from us, but medical progress
as well. US science has dominated the Nobel prizes for the last
decade and longer, but I submit that we are probably living off
the past and ignoring the future. Japan doesnt even have such
a degree as an MBA, and its perhaps significant to note that its
giant industries, its Sonys and Toyotas, are headed by engineers,
not MBAs.
Bright young physicians are drawn into private practice. Un-
less and until research grants offer competitive living wages, the
number of MBAs our universities turn out compared with scien-
tists and engineers is irrelevant. Lawyers, for example, now start at
$30 000 to $35 000 a year. Well, you know what scientists start at:
$10 000 to $15 000 a year. A promising young scientist can look at
a former classmate whos making an arm and a leg in private prac-
tice. The young scientists lot at most universities is to struggle to
make ends meet. These young scientists and researchers urgently
need to be encouraged. The Achilles heel of US science is training
its scientists and starting them in challenging research jobs.
Despite research grants from the government, we are not making
enough progress in the conquest of the basic diseases-heart dis-
ease, lung cancer, brain tumors, and asbestosis, or occupational
asthma-and in finding the basic pathways by which these diseases
work and cause chemical injury to the lungs, the airways: the brain,
and other vital sections of the body. We face the enormous task
of creating a preventive medicine system for a nation that now
practices and always has practiced corrective medicine. This task
really overshadows anything America has ever done, from creating
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nuclear energy to getting to the Moon, because it involves changing

the system, telling doctors how and where they can practice, up to
a point, and then finding a way to pay for all of it. Believe me, I
know; I come from a family of doctors. Yet once this is under way,
it will actually save large sums of money by stopping many diseases
when they are preventable or correctable, and not yet fatal.
Deep in our crisis (and I see this all around the country, mostly
in ghetto cities) is the individuals fear that no one cares, that he
has lost his identity as well as his power to do anything about what
is happening to him. He feels hopelessly trapped in an ocean of
polluted air, rampant inflation with a recession, jammed roads with
an energy shortage, run-down housing and broken promises from
our politicians-promises that now have to be kept. Our people feel
that theyre in a rip-off society, and too often they are. The great
hope is that we may have just discovered all this in time. In many
ways this is because of the news media-the same media, especially
television, which is accused of distorting and overplaying the news,
and sometimes does so by mediocrity, accident, or deadline, but
seldom by intention. That same media may just have saved us by
focusing attention on these crises in time, before they get out of
control.
Youve heard a lot about EPA and dioxin recently; well, let me
tell you whats coming up. I happen to know because Ive been
researching this. Youve read about the dioxin sites in Missouri;
well, its likely that there are thousands of dioxin sites across this
country, most of them unknown. Dioxin is nothing new, by the way.
It was identified as a contaminant left over from manufacturing
pesticides, including PCBs and Agent Orange, decades ago. What
we dont know about are the long-range effects on our children and
their children. Scientists are fearful that it may be a delayed time
bomb, like asbestos, that lurks beneath the flesh, only to spring up
15 to 25 years later. The dioxin horror is a national disgrace.
Some days I get so mad that I feel like the speech writer told
by his boss that hed better deliver a flawless job this time or else.
The speech writer, intimidated by this, turned out an absolute gem,
with the boss telling how he was going to reshape his industry and
reduce costs at the same time. After describing several of the
steps, the boss came to the end of the page and turned it over; it
was completely blank except for the words OK turkey, youre on
your own.
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One of my favorite slogans is that people who leap to conclusions

generally jump over the facts. Well, wed leap from what is to what
could be without stopping in between to be accurate. There are
no easy answers to our problems. Theyll be costly and take time.
We dont even have really good data as yet on how severe many of
them are, much less how to conquer them. But technology is the
answer-not instant miracles, but the technological excellence that
comes from space and aeronautical research, not even to mention
the jobs it supplies. Using research in space as a scapegoat may
make good politics, but it solves nothing.
As I said earlier, we cannot suppress change; we can and will
manage it. As a nation weve got to stop finding reasons why
things cant be done and find the reasons why they must be done,
as well as the right way to do them, before we wipe ourselves out.
The widening gap between what we know and what we do with
it, between finite knowledge and infinite failure to use it, threatens
to destroy the belief of all of us in our society. As usual, we have
more questions than answers, and answers for which there are no
questions. But it is glaringly clear that no one is really in charge
in Washington to harness and use science and technology; they are
playthings of political whim and expediency. No one really has the
power and skill, much less the authority, t o do the job now needed.
Anyone who thinks that things will ever again be the way they
were, or that they should be that way, is dreaming. Not only will
this not happen, it should not. Our lifestyle and ways have been
challenged and found lacking. What is happening is very much as if
we were in the last 15 seconds of the decline and fall of the Roman
Empire, with the seconds ticking away, and then the clock was
stopped for us for an instant replay and a second chance, a chance
to discover how we should go, not only in the decades immediately
ahead, but in the third century of our country. Socrates, youll
remember, asked all the important questions but never answered
any of them. This generation has t o answer those questions, and
were the people who can do it and have t o do it. You can call this
the age of overact and underthink, or whatever you like. The point
is simple: people must prevail. If we lose track of that, we will lose
ourselves. So the study of mankind, peoplekind (bioecology, I call
it), the art and science of the individual, must be given far more
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attention than it now receives. Why we do what we do is perhaps

far more important than what we do.
The glib words of years past from our politicians are hollow
nightmares indeed when we are confronted with the staggering
realities of what has to be done. But the key is there--technology,
using it-and we hardly do now. The future may be unpredictable,
but we can make a few well-aimed guesses about what life will
be like in the year 2000. Well fly on supersonic transports, or
more likely hypersonic transports, for which the ground work (or
should I call it air work) has already been laid at places like NASA
Langley Research Center. Well have put the genetic code to work
and begun to engineer out congenital birth defects and inherited
diseases. Well have made a real start toward the prevention and
conquest of both heart disease and cancer. The remaining villains,
of course, will be the common cold and hay fever.
The normal life span should be 85 to 90 years, and anybody
who suggests mandatory retirement at age 65 will face unthinkable
punishment. What that longer lifespan will make possible is two
or more careers for most of us. At age 40 or 50, we might go back
to school and retrain ourselves for another career. Just think of
the possibilities-politicians could even become statesmen. But
those promises are distilled from much research by top thinkers,
and youve got to watch researchers carefully. Our real goal in
research, as one friend persists in telling me, is to reduce utter
chaos to mere disorder. Well, were a little like Columbus before
he set sail. When he departed he didnt know where he was going.
When he got there he didnt know where he was. When he returned
he didnt know where hed been, and he borrowed all the money
to do it with. As George Bernard Shaw once said, Some men see
things as they are and say why; I dream things that never were
and say why not. Let me end on a quote from T. S. Eliot, who
once wrote, We shall never cease our exploration, and at the end
of our exploring we will get back to where we started and know it
for the first time.
And now Ill be happy to tackle any questions you have.
Question: Why do you think there has been the tendency

towards a decline in science and engineering education in this
country during the last 5 years?
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Answer: I think its the almighty dollar; I think people go where

the money is. I know; I have two kids, and theyre both trying to
make up their minds what to do. A neighbors son just graduated
from Harvard with his MBA and started in at a $35 000 to $40 000
a year job at age 27. Do you know any engineers who start with
that kind of money? The only other people I know who start at
anywhere near that kind of money are lawyers and doctors. Theres
something wrong. Theres something wormy in the wood of the
US infrastructure. Theres something wrong in where we place our
values. I submit I am terribly worried that the same work that put
NACA wings, designed here at Langley, on 707s and Piper Cubs
is not being done now, and that when you guys out there retire,
the new generation of engineers and aerodynamicists wont be in
the works to take over.
Question: Do you have any thoughts or suggestions on how
we as technical people might better communicate or interface this
upcoming technology with the nontechnical person?
Answer: Yes; explain it! Dont fall back on acronyms. My
job is really as a translator between the scientists and the public.
If I talk about HSTs or SSTs, to use two examples, or TDRSSs
or IUSs, I get my head blasted off by my producers, and for good
reason, if Im assuming that the public understands. Unless theyre
co-workers or your family, you cant assume anybody understands.
So you have t o explain what L over D is, for example, what a
chord is, what a root is, what a dihedral is, what BLC is. And
then, having done that, you have to go for the gut. You have to
say why you think what youre doing is most important or why you
think its not important, or why Langleys work or your sections
work is or is not important, and what is important. And dont stop
with the public. Go to your congressman, your state legislators.
Question: Given the aviation environment of today, do you
see us, without changing the way were going now, maintaining a
superiority as far as aviation technology is concerned, or are we
losing that one too?
Answer: I think were losing that one too. Bill Magruder,
the L-1011 project chief for Lockheed, used to say in every speech
that aviation was the only favorable balance-of-trade item that
we had, or one of the two or three: aviation, agriculture, and
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electronics. Well, electronics is sure gone, and aviation cant be

very far from gone. I suppose some of the foreign carriers are
buying Boeing 767s and 757s, but as for the next generation of
transports, what company do you suppose is going to gamble on
that?
Question: Youve covered our first 25 years in space as far as
the public is concerned. What do you see for the next 25 years?
If someone-one of your friends in Washington-were to ask you
what thrust NASA should take over the next 25 years in planetary
exploration, Earth observation, and communications, what do you
see?
Answer: I would say two things: Mars and the manned space
station. Weve got to settle the Mars thing. There has to be a
companion planet to flee to when some nut starts World War 111,
because therell be no place to hide. Well, lets hope that never
happens. But thats one of the things I worry about.
Getting back to your original point, I feel that we have done the
basic outer-planetary job with Viking, Voyager, and the Pioneers.
Now, I do think there is some use for other outer planetary
experiments that can be repeated. But I think probably the key
thing is the search for life in our solar system, if there is any, and
I think its going to take another variety of unmanned lander on
Mars to do that. Why isnt NASA planning that? The second thing
is the manned space station, which is just as desperately needed.
And the third thing is a new generation of safe small airplanes. A
new generation of small planes is a much smaller job in magnitude
and dollars than a manned space station or Mars, but its just as
desperately needed.
Question: You pointed to the personal value system as being
a problem now and in the future. Well, how much does the media
take something like that into account in reporting the news, as far
as trying to change personal value systems?
Answer: By personal value system you mean, How do I make
a good living fastest and with the least effort? I think the media
is fairly clear and clean on that one. I dont think we ever get into
it, beyond the involvement you just heard from me, and Im not
reporting today. I get very worked up over things like that, when
I see MBAs earning what young researchers and young scientists
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should be earning for essentially sitting around pushing a pencil. I
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dont think the media really cares, if thats what youre getting at.
Question: What do you see as a specific role that the media
can play in correcting the antitechnology attitude that society has?
Answer: I think that I, for one, know I am doing what I
can. We should more clearly spotlight the truth as well as the
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technical failures of our time, and there have been several. The
media does the job of clarifying. It forces every public official to be
more responsible and to check out projects more thoroughly before
investing taxpayers dollars. That is the role of the media, and I
I think to a large extent its being done. In fact, it may be overdone.
Question: I want to ask you a question about the weapons
community. It seems that we have a lot of weapons now and were
asking for more. Because of Russia, I dont think we can throw
them away, but it seems that we come closer and closer to ending
it all by pushing a button. Could you give me your opinion as
to the direction Americans could take? Could you include some
specifics with regard to the MX, deployment of missiles in Europe,
and the B l ?
Answer: Let me merely say, to answer your question briefly,
that the more equally armed we and the Russians are, the greater
the chances of peace, because each nation is fearful of the other.
I dont think theres a ghost of a chance of major war or even a
minor war ever erupting (a nuclear war, that is) between us and
Russia. What I worry about are the maniacs, the smaller powers
who are trying to attract attention to themselves. As for the MX,
youve seen the Washington confusion about which way to go, and
I think it has a distance to go before it straightens itself out.
Question: We read often about the medical, technological, and
I military research from overseas-say Japan or Russia. Speaking
particularly of medicine, do you see in the future the possibility
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for greater foreign cooperation? I know there has supposedly
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been some tremendous research on cancer in Sweden, Norway,
and England, which we cant take advantage of because of FDA
restrictions. Im thinking, for example, of the stories weve been
hearing of the boy, Todd Cantrell, who had the eye problems and
went to Russia for treatment.
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Answer: It didnt do him any good; in fact, it set him back,

according to one of the top eye surgeons. So I urge upon you
a greater respect for ambiguity, a greater caution and a greater
respect for US medicine. There is nothing in our country which
doesnt get approved, although it sometimes takes too long. The
FDA is slow to move, but there is no cancer cure thats been held
back.
Question: But do you think that countries will ever be able to
cooperate in medical research?
Answer: They cooperate right now. One area that we and the
Russians still cooperate in (or one of the few areas) is biomedical
research. Anybody in the medical arm of the government can tell
you that. With the Chinese, too, its the one area we cooperate
with them in. They, for example, have availed themselves of our
latest surgical techniques, and weve availed ourselves of what look
like very promising herbal cures. You cant beat experience. In
truth its a mix of everybodys cures and everybodys components.
Question: Regarding this boy who went to Russia recently, the
media at the time really made every effort to make a story out of it.
Everybody in the United States had some opinion about that story
at the time because it was blown up by the media. Isnt it a fact
that the media to a large degree abdicates its responsibility to our
society in the quest of a story for the sake of the story, so that they
can get the readership arid the television viewership? The media
seems to be money oriented; it doesnt seem to want to contribute
to society.
Answer: Youre right. The media did blow the Todd Cantrell
story completely out of proportion. However, I can also throw into
that mix the hour-long asbestos documentary I did last December,
when I threw the book at both industry and government for failing
to protect us when they had known about the problem for 30 or
40 years. But dont tell me you havent heard me speak of the
medias failings, because there are many. There are too many Todd
Cantrell stories.
Question: Is there any sense of responsibility to society, not on
an individual case, but on a media-wide base, or is it just that the
companies have to answer to their stockholders?
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Answer: That doesnt get into it at all, because commercial

minutes on the news shows on all three networks sell for about the
same amount of money. Each rating point is a couple of thousand
dollars a week, but the news shows all lose catastrophic amounts
of money; theyre loss leaders, if you will. So even if we can raise
our ratings and our share of points over CBS or NBC, thats not,
a governing factor. There is only one governing factor, and that is
attracting the audience with the truth. Thats my mission at ABC,
but sometimes Im not there, or Im off on other projects. I was
off on another project the day the Todd Cantrell story ran. The
next day I asked an eye surgeon in New York, Can this Russian
treatment help this kid? She said, NO. I tried t o make the
point! but it was too late, the story was gone. We did make the
point when the kid came back, although by then the parents were
elated because their son was potentially cured. People in that role
are searching for what I call magic helpers. Theyre not searching
for the truth-they dont care about the truth-theyre looking for
magic helpers.
Question: May I pursue one more point? There are, on your
network, programs that in my opinion masquerade as news pro-
grams. These hour-long programs come out with more or less sen-
sationalist stories, and they serve the same purpose as the National
Enquirer, as far as Im concerned, because the sensationalism is
there to generate points. I dont think we had as many of these
a few years ago. The documentaries that were of value have all
disappeared.
Answer: All I can tell you is that ABC does 12 documentaries
a year, more than the other two networks put together. Were
the only active documentary unit in the country among the major
networks.
Question: You noted that Socrates asked political and world
questions that are still important and pertinent today, and you also
noted that science has advanced immensely since Socrates time.
Does this mean you agree that technology is advancing faster than
our political institutions?
Answer: I didnt say that. I said Socrates asked all the
important questions, but never answered any of them. It is for
our generation to answer them.
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Question: Could you give us some suggestions on how to

avoid problems that might result from this uneven growth between
science and the political institutions?
Answer: If I knew that I wouldnt be a mere science editor.
Question: I have a question and a statement. If we have to
answer the questions Socrates asked, were in trouble. As for my
question, Im very interested in artificial intelligence and the devel-
opment of robotics, including the consequences of this development
for our political and social institutions. Two interesting theories
about the development of robotics are that it might revamp the
scarcity-based theories on economics and change our economic sys-
tem, and it might add a certain bundle of commodities or basic
services to our political rights and what we consider to have inher-
ited from our economic and political institutions. Could you just
comment on what you think about the evolution of robotics and
artificial intelligence, politically and economically, over the next
20 years?
Answer: Well, I would point out to you the conclusions reached
by the recent conference of top business leaders in the country,
including those in the steel and auto industries. They pointed
out that many of their workers who have been laid off will never
be rehired because their jobs have been either taken over by
automation or eliminated. Obviously, its a major problem that
we have to deal with. You can have a robot science editor too, or
a robot to do your job. It wont be as skillful, perhaps, but it will
be cheaper.
Question: You spoke several times of the international ex-
change of ideas and scientific knowledge, particularly the biomedi-
cal exchanges that even this country and the Soviet Union can be
happy with. Do you think theres a possibility that over the next,
20 years this type of scientific interchange could help bring about
more of a global perspective on citizenship, which would then have
some positive effects on the political conflicts that are present right
now? Could such an interchange give people a more global concept
of society to replace the nationalism that is present now?
Answer: Good question. Lets say the Russians come up with a
cure for one kind of cancer and we come up with a cure for another
kind of cancer; very quickly youre going to see an international
exchange. Now if you want to extrapolate that (and there are

obvious dangers, as I pointed out, in extrapolation) to future space
activities, the next great exploration in space has to be Mars. The
studies we have (and there are only a few) indicate that a manned
Mars expedition will be very expensive. A study done in 1970
for the Air Force estimated that with a six-man crew, a two-year
round-trip flight would cost $100 billion in 1970 dollars. Carry
that forward to today and it would cost about $350 billion. By the
time such a project gets started it will probably cost $500 billion,
which is more than any single country can afford. You see what Im
getting at-it will have to become an international project. There
is great hope for unifying the world in that way, and for eliminating
hostilities.
Question: So you see the space exploration system as the way
to break down some of the conflicts?
Answer: Yes.
Question: A few years ago I heard one of our congressmen talk
about using the Suns energy by collecting it with a dish in space,
changing it to microwave energy, transporting it to Earth like a
radar beam, and then converting it back to use as energy. Do you
have any knowledge of this program?
Answer: The congressman was talking about what is called

the solar power station. Its still being studied by NASA and the
Department of Energy, but there are several problems as well as
much promise. One problem is that if youre a half degree off in
aiming the microwave energy to Earth, instead of beaming it to
the five-mile-square field outside Phoenix you might just burn up
Phoenix. So it has to be totally reliable. Whats more, you have to
put a lot of hardware into orbit, requiring a much larger boosting
system than the Shuttle has.
Question: Can you give me an estimate on when you think this

could be accomplished?
Answer: At the rate were going now?

Question: Yes; we had been investigating this for a few years
and then all of a sudden it was just left hanging.
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Answer: All of a sudden the energy crisis slowed down and

gasoline went below a dollar a gallon, so the project was put on the
back burner.
Question: I have a question about the Space Telescope. How
much coverage will there be of the launch, and after the Space
Telescope is in orbit and operating, how much coverage will be
available?
Answer: Youre talking about 3 years or so from now, and
there are new reports of major problems in both the mirrors and the
optics of the Space Telescope, which had been scheduled for launch
in 1986. It will have live TV cameras on it; all three networks will
bring you the pictures.
Question: Concerning propulsion as a source of energy, how
far along are we coming in the area of nuclear fission?
Answer: You mean nuclear fusion. Not as far as we should, but
were getting there slowly.
Question: I think its obvious to all of us that the Three Mile
Island incident had a disastrous effect on the nuclear industry.
That, coupled with lagging electrical sales demands, makes me
fairly confident that no new nuclear plants will come on line in
this country between now and the year 2000. With the existing
nuclear power plants producing electricity on a commercial basis,
what is it going to take to get the Federal government to take a
decisive stance on the problem of storage of the nuclear waste that
were producing at present?
Answer: I dont think you understand fully the fact that nuclear
power plants produce only low-level radioactive waste. The high-
level radioactive waste is from weapons systems, and theyre the
more immediate problem.
Question: There is an immediate problem in the sense that
some of these nuclear power plants are going to be forced to shut
down within the next year or two because they dont have the
storage available.
Answer: Well, were talking politics again. I dont pretend to
be any great nuclear expert. Its tough enough just keeping up
with space and aviation. One of the problems we have is that our
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whole society has gotten so complex that no one person can keep
up with anything. All these reprocessing plants that could have
handled much of the waste are still mired in political battling. So
go see your congressman.
Question: Whats it going to take to get us out of that political
mire? Do you suspect the government will actually take a decisive
stance, or can the media help with this problem?
Answer: Probably its going to take a new Arab oil embargo to
bring us to our feet, begging for oil and thus begging for nuclear
power. Thats the only real chance of getting out of it. The media,
as you have noticed, is antinuclear, except for iconoclasts like me
who perversely persist in telling the truth.
Question: I work for the power company, so I happen to agree
with that. My last question, if you dont mind, is how serious do
you think this dioxin problem is?
Answer: We dont know. We dont have enough data on it,
and the fact that we dont is just downright disgraceful because
dioxin is nothing new and we should have had the data by now.
All we know is that dioxin causes chloracne, which goes away, and
also some neurological disorders. The Swedes claim it causes bone
cancer, but some of our people dispute that study. I have yet to
see a definitive study on it.
Question: You mentioned the lack of understanding and
appreciation of science in Washington. Do you have any idea
how this situation arose and why it continues today? Is there
any relation between the lack of understanding and appreciation
of science in Washington and the fact that, as you mentioned,
Japanese companies are usually headed by engineers instead of
MBAs?
Answer: No, I dont think thats related to the lack of
appreciation of science in Washington. I think youre talking about
apples and oranges. I dont know how or why Washington became
disenthused with science, but I suspect that it was a few too many
Three Mile Islands, a few too many power companies lying and
failing to do their job, a few too many regulatory agencies not
doing their job to protect the public, as is implicit in their charter.
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Question: You said that we will be technologically illiterate in

the future. Do you think this is inevitable, or can we prevent it?
Answer: Thats what the National Academy of Sciences warns.
There are steps already under way to upgrade science and math
education in high schools, but its going to be a long time before the
problem is solved. For example, you can put in computers for 6-
year-olds to use, but who is going to do the software programming 1
and teach the teachers how to use them?

Question: In light of dioxin, Agent Orange, and everything else
we read about in the newspapers, do you see a more conservative
trend in research in that area or are we just going to be reading
more and more about it in the next 30 years or so?
Answer: Do I see a more conservative trend in chemical research
on pesticides? I certainly hope not. I think whats needed is a more
conservative system of checks and controls but not necessarily a
more conservative trend in research. I think this countrys great
advances have been made because we took on the impossible and
proved it possible, but when something is basically dangerous, like
dioxin, and people know it, thats something else again.
Question: Im an engineer, and I remember when you talked
about the difference between what you earn in basic research and
what you earn out in the marketplace working in a production-type
atmosphere. Very little basic research is done without government
sponsorship. Do you think that private industry should be taking
on more of this responsibility in order to promote a higher standard
of living for people doing basic research?
Answer: Yes.
Question: I would like to know what you think about the
advancement of research in new materials. Do you think this
research has reached a peak as far as the resources we have on
Earth, or do you think well be able to go to other places, such as
the Moon, for new materials?
Answer: Do I think the advancement of research in new
materials has reached a peak on Earth? Well, you could have
said that 5 or 10 years ago, and then along came Kevlar or some
other new material. Every time we say weve reached the limit,
theres no further to go, this is the peak, some quiet little guy in a
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a lab comes u p with something new. As for the Moon, I know of

no chemical or mineral found on the Moon that is any different
from those found on the Earth. The proportions vary, but when
you factor in the cost of getting material back or building a lunar
camp to refine it, it comes out as being more expensive.
Question: A few years ago, during the energy crisis, there were
plans for plants to convert coal to oil. Now theyve discarded the
whole idea, although I understand it was feasible. Can you tell me
why you think it was discarded, besides the fact that the energy
crisis is over, and whether you think it will ever be renewed or
should be renewed?
Answei.: I think youve answered your own question in your
statement. This country has, as youve read in all the ads,
80 percent of the worlds coal. Five or ten years ago, at the height
of the energy crisis, one top scientist said, The best way to gasify
coal is to burn it.
Question: You mentioned earlier that Russia, Japan, and
China graduate many more engineers than the US does. How much
of the cost of that education was handed down to the individual
student, compared to in the United States?
Answer: I dont know, but obviously the state assumes a very
high percentage of it, I would think.
Question: Wouldnt you say that would account for our lack
of engineers?
Answer: No, I dont think so at all. I think that if others
were given the freedom of choice that we have in this country, the
freedom t o commit suicide, if you will, the freedom to sit back as
a big fat-cat MBA and rake in the dollars, they would do it too.
But I think in those countries the state decrees, You will be an
engineer, you will be a scientist, and then offers attractive lures.
Question: What Im trying to say is that I would much rather
be an electrical engineer right now, but my pocketbook says Im
going to have to settle for being an electronics technician.
Answer: Join the parade.
Question: How do you see the tremendous increase in technol-
ogy affecting the Third World countries?
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Answer: Favorably, I trust, so they become relatively faster

second-world countries and then first-world countries, so it doesnt
take them three centuries or two centuries or even a century and a
half to get to our point.
Question: Do you think there is a reason for us to share this
technology with them or is there more of a reason for us to keep it
to ourselves and keep them where they are?
Answer: I know of no technology except highly classified
technology, which the Russians seem to steal anyway, that this
country hasnt openly shared with the rest of the world.
Question: Referring to the deficiencies in our education system
which you spoke of, would you attribute them to a lack of impetus
on the part of the student or a lack of incentive on the part of the
schools?
Answer: Both.
Question: When research projects such as the ion engine,
coal gasification, or solar power go stale, is that because of the
government falling back, saying we dont need it, or the scientist
saying we dont want to do it?
Answer: I think its a combination of both. I think if the
scientists say, We dont want to do it, the government then says,
Its not needed.
Question: On the subject of space exploration, what types of
fuels are presently available and what types are being studied?
Answer: The available fuels are primarily the liquid and solid
fuels, but everything from solar sails to nuclear propulsion is being
studied. Ive contended for some time that we cant get to Mars, for
example, with a manned flight (presently a 2-year mission, round
trip) using the conventional chemical rockets, even liquid hydrogen
and liquid oxygen, unless we have more efficient, higher thrust
engines. The speed required to escape the Earths gravitational
pull is about 25000 mph, or about 35000 feet per second. But
then, as many of you know, at midpoint the vehicle will slow down
to 4000 mph until the next planets gravitational attraction begins
to pull it in. Thats where youve got to make up the time with
some sort of constant drive; it could even be an electron motor.
Theyre all being studied.
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Question: How do you think the advancement of technology is

going to affect the environment that we all share, and do you think
the technology that is proposed and discovered is going to be able
to keep up with the problem of storing our nuclear waste in a way
that will not affect future generations?
1 Answer: Thats a sweeping question youve asked, but I can

answer it by simply saying that the gross crimes of the past two
decades have guaranteed that out of the ashes of the old EPA will
come a new EPA. I believe that no new technology that pollutes
will be allowed.
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Our Future in the
Cosmos-Computers
Isaac Asimov
Isaac Asimov
For more than 45 years, Isaac Asirnov has been a professional

writer of renowned versatility. The Russian-born scientist and
author, who has been called a genius and the nearest thing to a
human writing machine, is perhaps best known as one of todays
major science fiction writers. His broad range of works includes
histories, childrens books, collections of articles, mysteries, and
books concerning the Bible, literature, geography, and nonfiction
science material.
Blessed with total recall, Asimov entered Columbia University
at the age of 15 and graduated with a doctorate in chemistry.
Beginning in 1949, as instructor, associate professor, and later full
professor, he taught biochemistry at Boston Universitys School
of Medicine. His scientific research includes work in kinetics,
photochemistry, enzymology, and irradiation.
Asimovs impressive list of writings includes hundreds of articles
in publications ranging from Esquire, Harpers, and The Saturday
Review, to pamphlets of the Atomic Energy Commission. His latest
and just-published novel, Robots of Dawn, is the third book in
a series concerning his fictional character, Elijah Baley, and he
is currently working on a revision to Asimovs Guide to Science
and on a new novel, Opus 900, which will be his 300th book.
He is the recipient of numerous awards, including the American
Association for the Advancement of Science Westinghouse Award
for excellence in magazine writing and a 1983 Hugo Award from
the World Science Fiction Convention for his novel Foundations
Edge, a sequel to a trilogy of novels that he wrote 3 decades ago
concerning the distant future.
Known to type 90 words a minute and to produce as much
as 35 pages of manuscript a day, Asimov maintains an 8-hour-a-
day, 4-day-a-week writing schedule and calls writing my idea of
a vacation. Most of all, I want to be writing, he says. If I
could, Id write every book in the world. Dr. Asimov lectures as
enthusiastically as he writes, and has been referred to as one of the
great explainers of our technological age, helping to bridge the
gap between science and the public.
Our Future in the Cosmos-Computers
No matter how clever or artificially intelligent

computers get, and n o matter how m u c h they help us
advance, they will always be strictly machines and we
will be strictly humans. W h e n we finally do extend
the living range of humanity throughout near space,
possibly throughout the entire solar system and out
t o the stars, it will be done in tandem with advanced
computers that will be as intelligent as we are, but
never intelligent in the same way that humans are.
T h e y will need us as m u c h as we will need them.
As far as our destiny in the cosmos is concerned, I think that it

will arise out of the two important changes that are taking place
before our very eyes. One change involves the computerization
of our society, and the other change involves the extension of our
capabilities through aeronautical and space research. And the two
are combined. Decades ago we science fiction writers foresaw a
great many things about space travel, but two things we did not
foresee. In all the time that I wrote stories about our first Moon
landing and about the coming of television, nobody, it5 far as I
know, in the pages of the science fiction magazines, combined the
two. Nobody foresaw that when the first Moon landing took place,
people on Earth would watch it on television. Nor did science
fiction writers foresee that in taking ships out into space, they
would depend quite so much on computers. The computerization
of space flight was something that eluded them completely. So, I
have two broad areas that I can discuss in talking about our destiny
in the cosmos. One area is the future of computerization, and the
other area is the future of space itself. In this presentation, I will
talk about computers and their future, and I think I have a kind
of right to do so. I have never done any work on computers, but I
have speculated freely concerning them.
Despite my gentle appearance as a gentleman a little over 30, I
have been a published writer for 45 years. If I can make it 5 more
years, I will celebrate my golden anniversary as a published writer,
which isnt too bad for a fellow in his early thirties. Perhaps
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the most important thing I did as a speculator was to foresee

the various properties and abilities of computers, including those
mobile computerized objects called robots. As a matter of fact, I
sometimes astonish myself. Back in 1950, in a passage that was
eventually published as the first section of my book Foundation,
I had my protagonist pull out a pocket computer. I didnt call
it a pocket computer, I called it a tabulator pad. However, I
described it pretty accurately, and this at a time when computers
filled up entire walls! Decades later, someone said to me, Hey
Asimov, you described a pocket computer a long, long time ago;
why didnt you patent it and become a trillionaire? And I said,
Did you notice, perchance, that I only described the outside? Ill
be frank, to this day I dont know what is inside. I have evolved a
theory; I think its a very clever cockroach. But that was in 1950; I
did a lot better in 1939, long before many of you were born. I began
writing about robots. Robots had been written about for years
before this. The word had been invented in 1921 by Karel Capek,
a Czechoslovakian playwright. However, until I started writing,
robots were, for the most part, either menaces or sort of wistful
little creatures. As menaces, they always destroyed their creator;
they were examples to humanity of what to avoid. They were
symbols of the egregious hubris of the scientist. According to that
plot you did something that infringed upon the abilities reserved
for the creator, you made life. No one objected to destroying life,
you understand (dont let me get radical here), but making life was
wrong, especially if you didnt use the ordinary method. Even if
you did use the ordinary method, the robot, as though to explain
to you that you had done wrong, sometimes killed you. Well, I
got tired of that plot. There was another plot in which the robot
was a good and noble but picked-on member of a minority group
but everyone was mean to him. I got tired of that plot too. I
decided that robots really ought to be (hold your breath now) . . .
machines, to do work that they were designed to do, but with
safeguards built into them. Looking around the world, I noticed
that practically everything human beings had made had elements
of danger in them, and that, as best we could (being fallible human
beings), we had safeguards built in. For instance, you will notice
that swords have hilts, so that when you thrust the sword forward
and it goes into the other guy the way it is supposed to, your
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hand doesnt slide along the blade and cut all your fingers off.
So, I figured robots would also have safeguards built in, and I
finally listed these safeguards in the March 1942 issue of Astounding
Science Fiction on page 100, first column, about one-third of the
way down. Since then, I have had occasion to look up the list and
memorize it. I called it the Three Laws of Robotics. I will now
recite these laws for you because I have memorized them. I have
made a great deal of money from them, so it sort of warms my
heart to think of them for purely idealistic reasons.
1. A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction,
allow a human to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey orders given t o him by human beings
except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such
protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
None of these laws is interesting in itself, although it is obvious that
the laws apply to all tools. If you stop to think, the first rule of any
tool is that you operate it safely. Any tool that is going to kill you
when you use it is not going to be used. It wont even be used if it
merely maims you! The second rule is that a tool should do what it
is supposed to as long as it does so safely. And the third rule is that
a tool ought to survive its use and be ready for a second use, if that
can possibly be arranged. Nowadays, people who are working with
robots actually debate the methods by which these three rules can
be installed. This flatters me, but what interests me most is that
I called these rules the Three Laws of Robotics, and that use of
the word robotics in the March 1942 issue of Astounding Science
Fiction, (page 100, first column, one-third of the way down) was the
first use of this word anywhere in the English language. I made up
the word myself; this is my contribution t o science. Someday, when
a truly encyclopedic history of science is written (you know, one
with 275 volumes), somewhere in volume 237, where the science
of robotics is discussed, there will be a footnote: The word was
invented by Isaac Asimov. That is going to be my only mention
in all 275 volumes. But, you know, better than nothing, I always
say. The truth is that I didnt know I was inventing a word; I
thought it was the word. If you will notice, physics ends in ics
and just about every branch of physics, such as hydraulics, celestial
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mechanics, and so on, ends in ics.) So I figured that the study of

robots would be robotics, and anyone else would have thought of
that too if they had stopped to think that there might be a study of
robots. Whats more, I quoted those three laws from the Handbook
of Robotics, 56th edition (c.2058 A.D.), and the first edition of
such a handbook is actually about to come out. It is a handbook
of industrial robotics, and I was asked to write the introduction.
Who would have thought, when I was a little kid writing about
robots, that such a handbook would actually be written! It just
shows that if you live long enough, almost anything can happen.
The question then is: What is going to happen with robotics

in the future? Well, as we all know, its going to create a
certain amount of economic dislocation. Jobs will disappear as
industries become robotized. Whats more, robots are dangerous,
very literally dangerous sometimes. There has already been one
case of a robot killing a human being. A few years ago a robot in
a Japanese assembly line stopped working, and a young mechanic
went to see what was wrong with it. The robot was surrounded
by a chain-link fence, and the safeguard system was designed to
cut off power to the assembly line when the fence gate was opened,
thus deactivating the robot and making it just a lump of dead
metal. This safeguard was designed to implement the First Law:
Thou shalt open the chain fence before you approach the robot.
(You have to understand that what we call industrial robots are
just a bunch of computerized levers, nothing more. Theyre not
complicated enough to have the three laws built into them, so the
laws are implemented outside them.) Well, this mechanic thought
he would save himself a second and a half, so he lightly jumped over
the fence and manually turned off that particular robot. This will
do the trick just as well, unless you happen to push the on button
with your elbow while youre busy working on the robot. That is
apparently what he did, so the robot, in all innocence, started
working. I believe it was a gear-grinding robot, so it ground a gear
in the place where a gear was supposed to be, which was where the
guys back really was, and it killed him. The Japanese government
tried to keep it quiet, because they didnt want anything to spoil
their exploitation of robotics. But it is difficult to keep a thing
like that completely quiet. Eventually the news got out. In all
the newspapers the headlines were: Robot Kills Human Being.
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When you read the article you got the vision of this monstrous
machine with shambling arms, machine oil dribbling down the side,
sort of isolating the poor guy in a corner, and then rending him
limb from limb. That was not the true story, but I started getting
telephone calls from all over the United States from reporters
saying, Have you heard about the robot that killed the human
being? What happened to the First Law? That was flattering,
but I suddenly had the horrible notion that I was going to be held
responsible for every robotics accident that ever happened, and
that made me very nervous. I am hoping that this sort of thing
doesnt happen very often. But the question is: Whats going to
happen as robots take over and people are put out of jobs? I
am hoping that that is only a transition period and that we are
going to end up with a new generation that will be educated in a
different way and that will be ready for a computerized world with
considerably more leisure and with new kinds of jobs. It is the
experience of humanity that advances in technology create more
jobs than they destroy. But they are different kinds of jobs, and
the jobs that are going to be created in a computerized world are
going to require a great deal more sophistication than the jobs
they destroy. It is possible that it wont be easy t o reeducate
or retrain a great many people who have spent their whole lives
doing jobs that are repetitive and stultifying and therefore ruin
their brains. Society will have to be extremely wise and extremely
humane to make sure that there is no unnecessary suffering during
this interval. Im not sure that society is wise enough or humane
enough to do this. I hope it is. Regardless, we will eventually
come to a period when we will have a world that is adjusted to
computerization.
Perhaps then we will have another and even more intractable

problem. What happens if we have computers and robots that are
ever more capable, that are ever more versatile, and that approach
human activity more and more closely? Are we going to be
equaled? Are we going to be surpassed? Will the computer take
over and leave us far behind? There are several possible answers
to these questions, depending upon your mood. If you are in a
cynical mood, if you have been reading the newspapers too closely,
the answer would be: who cares? Or if you have become even
more cynical, the answer would be: why not? You might look at it
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this way: The history of humanity is a long tale of misery and

cruelty, of destroying each other and the Earth we live on, and
we dont deserve to continue anymore. If there is anything with
more wisdom than people, with better brains than we have, that
can think better . . . please let it take over. You might also argue
this way: For 3% billion years, life has been evolving on Earth
very slowly, in a hit or miss fashion, with no guiding principle, as
far as we can tell, except survival. As the environment changes
and the Earth undergoes various changes, life takes advantage of
new niches, fumbles the old niches, and eventually, after 3% billion
years, finally develops a species with enough brains to create a
technological civilization. That is a long time to achieve so little.
You must ask yourself, Is that the best that can be done?
Well, maybe that is the best that can be done without a guiding
intelligence, but, after 3% billion years, the guiding intelligence,
such as it is, has been created, and now it can take over. You can
even argue that the whole purpose of evolution has been, by hit and
miss, to finally create a species that can then proceed to accelerate
evolution in a guided direction. In that case, we are designing
our own successors. Instead of waiting several million years just
to develop enough of a Brocas convolution in our brains so that
we can learn to talk, we are deliberately designing computers so
that they can speak, understand speech, and do a few more things.
If there is a grand designer up above who has chosen this way of
creating human beings, he is going to be rubbing his hands and
calling for applause. He is going to say, Watch the next step, this
is going to be faster than you can possibly imagine.
On the other hand, there is another way to look at the future

of the computer. You can also assume that you are not going
to easily manufacture artificial intelligence that will surpass our
natural intelligence. Miserable as we are, and deplorable as our
records prove us to be, we nevertheless have 3V4 pounds of organic
matter inside our skulls that are really worthy of 3% billion years
of evolution. When you are being cynical you can speak of the
brain as something so little to take so much time to evolve. But
ccnsider it closely, it is extremely astonishing, really! There are
10 billion neurons in the human brain, along with 10 times that
many supporting cells. Each of these 10 billion neurons is hooked
up synaptically with 50 to 500 other neurons. Each neuron is
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not just a mere on/off switch; it is an extremely complex system

in itself, which contains many sets of very strange and unusual
molecules. We really dont know what goes on inside the neurons
on an intimate basis, nor do we know exactly the purpose for the
various connections in the human brain. We dont know how the
brain works in anything but its simplest aspects. Therefore, even if
we can make a computer with as many switches as there are human
neurons, and even if we can interconnect them as intricately it9 they
are connected in the human brain, will the computer ever be able
to do what we can do so easily? Now there are some things in
which a computer is far ahead of us. Even the simplest computer,
the very first computer, for that matter even before they became
totally electronic, was far ahead of us in solving problems and
manipulating numbers. There is nothing a computer can do that
we cant if we are given enough time and if we correct our errors.
But thats the point; we dont have enough time and we dont have
the patience or the ability to detect all our errors. That is the
advantage of the computer over us. It can manipulate numbers
in nanoseconds without error, unless error is introduced by the
human beings who give it the instructions. Of course, as humans
we always like to think of the other side of this argument. My
favorite cartoon, in the N e w Yorker, shows a computer covering an
entire huge wall, as they did in those days, and two little computer
experts. (You could tell that they were computer experts because
they wore white lab coats and had long white beards). One of them
is reading a little slip of paper coming out of a slot in the computer.
He says, Good heavens, Fotheringay, do you realize that it would
take 100 mathematicians 400 years to make a mistake this big?
The question is: If computers are so much better than we are

in this respect, why shouldnt they be better than we are in all
respects? The answer is that we are picking on the wrong thing.
This business of fooling around with numbers, of multiplying,
dividing, integrating, differentiating, and doing whatever else it
is that computers do, is trivial, truly trivial! The reason that
computers do so much better in these areas than we do is because
our brains are not designed to do anything that trivial. It would
be a waste of time. As a matter of fact, its only because we are
forced, in the absence of computers, to do all this trivial work
that our brains are ruined. It is like taking an elaborate electronic
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instrument and because it happens to be hard and heavy using it

as a hammer. It may be a very good hammer, but obviously you
are going to destroy the instrument. Well, we take our brain and
what do we use it for? We file things alphabetically, make lists of
things, work out profit and loss, and do a trillion and one other
things that are completely trivial. We use our fancy instrument
for trivia simply because there is nothing else that can do it. Now
enters the computer. The computer is a halfway fancy instrument.
Its a lot closer to a hammer than it is to a brain. But its good
enough to be able to do all those nonsense things that we have
been wasting our brains on. The question is, what then is it that
our brain is designed for? The answer, as far as Im concerned,
is that it is designed to do all sorts of things that involve insight,
intuition, fantasy, imagination, creativity, thinking up new things,
and putting together old things in completely new ways; in other
words, doing the things that human beings, and only human beings,
can do.
It is difficult for me to put myself into the minds of others; I

can only put myself into my own mind. For example, I know that
I write stories, and I write them as fast as I can write. I dont
give them much thought because Im anxious to get them down
on paper. I sit and watch them being written on the paper as my
fingers dance along the keys of my typewriter, or occasionally of
my word processor. I start a story in the right place and each
word is followed by another word (a correct other word) and each
incident is followed by another incident (a correct other incident).
The story ends when it is supposed to end. Now, how do I know
that all the words are correct, all the ideas are correct, and all the
incidences are correct? I dont know in any absolute sense, but a t
least I can get them published. I virtually never fail! The thing
is, I literally dont give it any thought. People ask me, HOWcan
you write all the stuff that you write? (1 have written 285 books
at the moment, and Ive been busy writing Opus 300 so it can be
published as my 300th book.) I say, Well, I cut out the frills, like
thinking. Everyone laughs; they think Im being very funny. But
Im not; I mean it literally. If I had to stop and think, I couldnt
possibly do all that I do. All right, Im not as good as Tolstoy, but
considering that I dont think, Im surprisingly good. Of course,
the real answer is that I dont consciously think. Something inside
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my brain puts the pieces together and turns out the stories. I just
dont know how its done.
It is a similar situation if I want to flex my arm. I dont
know how the devil I do it. Some change is taking place in my
muscle molecules, in the actomyosin, which causes them to assume
another shape. There is a ratchet or something that drags the actin
molecules along the myosin; who knows? The theory changes every
year. But whatever it is, I say to myself, flex and it flexes. I dont
even know what I did; in fact, I dont even have to say flex. If
Im driving my automobile and something appears before me, my
foot flexes and stamps down on the brake before I can say to myself
brake. If it didnt do that before I could say to myself brake,)
I wouldnt be alive now. The point is that our brain does things,
sometimes very complex things, that we dont know how it does.
Even the person who does it doesnt know how he does it. If you
dont want to take me as an example, consider Mozart who wrote
symphonies at the ridiculously early age of 7 or 8. Somebody wrote
to him when Mozart was an old man of 26 and asked him how to
go about writing symphonies. Mozart said, I wouldnt if I were
you; you are too young. Start with something simple, a concerto
or sonata; work your way up to symphonies. The guy wrote back
and said, But Herr Mozart, you were writing symphonies when
you were a little boy. Mozart wrote back, I didnt ask anybody.
Its quite possible that we will never figure out how t o make
computers as good as the human brain. The human brain is
perhaps a little more intractable than we imagined. Even if we
could, would we? Is there a point to it? There may not be, you
know. We talk about artificial intelligence as though intelligence is
a unitarian, monolithic thing. We talk about intelligence quotient
as though we can measure intelligence by a single number. You
know, Im 85, youre 86, youre more intelligent than I am. Its not
so. There are all sorts of varieties of intelligence. I believe that
people who make up intelligence tests make up questions that they
can answer. Theyve got to! Suppose I want to design a test to
decide which of you has the potential to become a great punk rock
musician. I dont know what to ask; I know nothing about punk
rock. I dont even know the vocabulary. All I know are the words
punk rock. So this is not the kind of test I can make up. My
point is that we have a whole set of intelligence tests designed by
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people who know the answers to the questions. You are considered
intelligent if you are like they are. If youre not like they are you
rate very low. Well, what does that mean? It just means that it is
a self-perpetuating process.
I am fortunate-I happen to have exactly one kind of intelli-

gence, the kind that enables me to answer the questions on an in-
telligence test. In all other human activities I am abysmally stupid.
But none of that counts; Im tabbed as intelligent. For instance,
suppose something goes wrong with my car. Whatever it is that
goes wrong, I dont know what it is. There is nothing that is so
simple about my car that I understand it. So, when my car makes
funny sounds, I drive it in fear and trembling to a gas station where
an attendant examines it while I wait with bated breath, staring
at him with adoration for a god-like man, while he tells me whats
wrong and fixes it. Meanwhile, he regards me with the contempt
due someone so abysmally unintelligent as to not understand what
is going on under the hood. He likes to tell me jokes, and I always
laugh very hard because I dont want to do anything to offend him.
He always says to me, DOC,(he always calls me Doc; he thinks
its my first name). DOC,he says, A deaf and dumb man goes
into a hardware store. He wants nails, so he goes up to the counter
and goes like this and they bring him a hammer. He shakes his
head and he hammers again. So, they bring him a whole mess of
nails. He takes the nails that he wants, pays for them, and walks
out. And I nod. Then the attendant says, Next a blind man
comes in and he wants scissors. How does he ask for them? I ges-
ture to show scissors but the attendant says, No, he says, May I
have a pair of scissors? Now, from the dead silence I always get
when I tell this joke, I can tell that you agree with my answer. But
a blind man can talk, ipso facto, right? All right! Well that shows
your intelligence. It is an intelligence test, right there, and every
one of you probably flunked! So, I maintain that there are all kinds
of varieties of intelligence and thats a good thing too because we
need variety. The point is that a computer may well have a variety
that is different from all the human varieties. In fact, we may come
up with a whole set of varieties of intelligence. We would have a
number of species of the genius-human intelligence and a number
of species of the genius-computer intelligence. Thats the way it
should be; let the computers do what they are designed to do and
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let the human beings do what they are designed to do. Together,
in cooperation, man and computer can advance further than ei-
ther could separately. Of course, it is possible to imagine that we
could somehow design a computer in such a way that it could show
human intelligence, have insight and imagination, be creative, and
do all the things we think of as typically and truly human. But,
so what? Would we build such a computer, even if we could? It
might not be cost effective.
Consider it this way-we move by walking. We lift first one
leg, then the next one; we are consistently falling and catching
ourselves. This is a very good method of locomotion because we can
step over obstacles that arent large, we can walk on uneven roads
or through underbrush, and we can make our way through crowds.
Other animals move differently; they jump, hop, fly, swim, glide,
and so on. Finally, we invented artificial locomotion with the wheel
and axle. Its one method that no living creature has developed.
There are good reasons for that; it would be very difficult for a
living creature to have a wheel and axle supplied with nerves and
blood vessels. Nevertheless, we have both artificial locomotion on
wheels and human locomotion on legs, and each has its advantages.
We can move a lot faster on a machine. On the other hand, when
we walk we dont need a paved highway or steel rails. Wed have to
make the world very smooth and convenient if we were going to take
advantage of wheels. But, its worth it, at least most of us think
so. Ive heard no suggestions that we go back to walking to New
York. On the other hand, walking is not pass& I frequently have
occasion to navigate from the bedroom to the bathroom sometime
in the dead of night, and I tell you right now, Im never going to
take an automobile to do that. Im going t o walk; that is the sort
of thing walking is for.
The question is, can you invent a machine that will walk? Of
course you can! Ive seen machines that can walk, but theyre
usually merely laboratory demonstrations. These machines might
have very specialized uses, but I dont think they can ever really
take the place of walking. We walk so easily that it makes
no sense to kill ourselves working up a machine that will walk.
And, as far as computers and human beings are concerned, it is
wasteful to develop a computer that can display a human variety of
intelligence. We can take an ordinary human being and train him,
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from childhood on, t o have a terrific memory, to remember numbers

and partial products, and to work out all kinds of shortcuts in
handling addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, square
roots, and so on. In fact, people have been born with the ability;
they are mathematical wizards who can do this sort of thing from
an early age, and sometimes they cant do anything else. But
once you train that ordinary human being, what do you have?
You have a human being, which youve created, so to speak, at
enormous effort and expense, who can do what any cheap two-
dollar computer can do. Why bother? In the same way, why go
through the trouble of building an enormously complex computer,
with complicated programming, so that it can create and write a
story when you have any number of unemployed writers who can
do it and who were manufactured at zero cost to society in general,
by the usual process. To sum it up, I think we can be certain that
no matter how clever or artificially intelligent computers get, and
no matter how much they help us advance, they will always be
strictly computers and we will always be strictly humans. Thats
the best way, and we humans will get along fine.
The time will come when we will think back on a world without
computers and shiver over the loneliness of humanity in those days.
How was it possible for human beings to get along without their
friends? You will be glad to put your arm around the computer
and say, Hello, friend, because it will be helping you do a great
many things you couldnt do without it. It will make possible, I am
sure, the true utilization of space for humanity. When we finally
do extend the living range of humanity throughout near space,
possibly throughout the entire solar system and out to the stars,
it will be done in tandem with advanced computers that will be as
intelligent as we are, but never identically intelligent to humans.
They will need us as much as we need them. There will be two,
not one of us. I like that thought.
Question: In your writings, do you address the issues of how

far society wants computer technology to develop and how mans
preoccupation with his own preservation will inhibit the computers
full utilization?
Answer: Actually, I did address those issues in my writings.
The gentleman points out that its possible human beings may
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decide that there are limits to how far computers should be allowed
to go. It may not be what computers may actually do, but what
they may threaten in the human mind, and what humans may think
of them. In my robot stories, I used the Frankeustein complex in
which human societies refuse to allow robots t o work because they
have decided they dont want to lose their jobs, they dont want to
undergo the painful period of transition, and they dont trust the
robots to be harmless. They call a halt to computer development.
The only place robots can be used is in outer space, where there
is no competition with human beings. And this, indeed, is the
sort of situation that could conceivably take place. No matter how
much people like myself (the cockeyed optimist) may think that a
computerized society will be beautiful, we may come up against an
absolutely immovable object, the suspicion of the average human
being of being replaced by a computer. And in that case, it may
be that a computerized society is not going to develop. I must say,
though, that human beings are really not afraid of the computer.
They may have already lost the fight, because computerization has
already taken over society to such an extent that if every computer
on Earth were suddenly to disappear, no industry of any size could
probably continue for very long.
As an example, Doubleday and Company decided to switch
computer systems, but they didnt do anything as dull as build
up a new system, run it in tandem with the old one until they
were quite satisfied, and then pull out the old one. No, they did it
computer fashion. They pulled out the old system first, then they
built up the second system, and are now engaged in the interesting
process of trying to make it work. The result is that I cannot
determine how many of my next novels have been distributed to
the bookstores, nor do they know when they need to send out more
copies. Who knows, they may ruin my entire theory because they
have been getting along without a computer for a few weeks.
So if all computers were to disappear, not only would industries
come to a halt, but the United States would no longer be able to
collect income taxes (except what we voluntarily send), the Army
wouldnt be able to do its work, and the space exploration industry
would come to a halt. In short, we are already inextricably tied
to the computer, and it is going to b e difficult to stop it at any
particular level.
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Question: About 20 years ago, your view of the future was

that humanity was basically in a disaster situation and might not
survive the next 50 years. Furthermore, if we did survive the next
50 years, then getting through the next 50 years would be almost
impossible. Have you changed your views or do you think we still
have a difficult 30 years ahead?
Answer: I still think we are headed for a difficult 30 years.
I mean, everyone here understands that someone could press the
button tomorrow. We still face the possibility of a nuclear war.
Little things happen that exacerbate feelings and make it difficult
to talk sensibly. So we are constantly facing the destruction of
civilization, not only by the instant blast of nuclear war but also
by the continuing processes of increasing population, increasing
pollution, foolish misuse of resources, and chemical damage (for
instance, acid rain). We are in the uncomfortable position of facing
the possible destruction of civilization either very quickly or a little
more slowly in any of at least a dozen different directions. But, so
far, we are still concentrating on localisms. Every nation worries
about its neighbor, every nation sees as its primary concern the evil
machinations of someone just across the border. We are so much
more concerned about what the Soviet Union is doing than about
what acid rain is doing, and the Soviet Union is more concerned
about us than about any long-range danger to human beings. As
long as that is true, by the time we wake up to the true dangers
that face us all, if we ever do, it may be too late. So, yes, I still
worry about civilization being a short-term process. Naturally, in
a talk like this, I pretend that we will be wise enough to overcome
the problems. As a matter of fact, in my presentation on space
exploration, I discuss what I think is the only practical way that
I can see of overcoming all this suspicion. It is a very slim chance
indeed, but I dont see any other alternative.
Question: If computers eventually get rid of all the drudgery,
will humans actually be capable of taking advantage of that, and
how?
Answer: The easy answer is that if computers do all the stupid
things we shouldnt be doing, then we will have time to do all the
things we love. I mean, if you actually get fun out of alphabetizing
cards, then do it. I do! 1 make all my own indexes, even though
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my publisher begs me to allow an expert to do them. He wont

listen to me when I tell him that I am better than an expert. He
says, But your time is more valuable. I answer, But I love
it. I make all the little cards and I alphabetize them; I spend all
evening long alphabetizing them, and I love it. If they ever design
a computer to do it, I wont let it. So, we can keep our fun; what
I am talking about is computers doing things that we dont want
to do so that we can engage in creative endeavors. People will be
designing, programming, and maintaining computers, working in
scientific research or the arts, writing history books and novels,
sculpting, or whatever it is that they want to do.
You respond, Yes, but you are assuming that all human beings
are creative in one way or another, and we all know that it isnt so
because just look at all the noncreative people around you. To this
I reply, Well, youre looking at a ruined world. In medieval times,
during the Dark Ages (at least in Western Europe), reading and
writing were the province of a small group of clerks (clerics), and
most other people, whether they were brutish aristocrats or bovine
peasants, couldnt read or write. They didnt have any reason to
read and write. If you had asked any of the few people who could
read and write whether it was conceivable for either the aristocracy
or the peasants to learn to read and write, the clerks would have
said, NO, they are just animals, they are just brutes. Reading
and writing are just for the very few with the kind of mind that
we have. Yet, when the time came, we developed printing and
the idea of mass education; it turned out that almost everybody
could be taught to read and write, after a fashion. Reading and
writing were not such unusual processes once we actually developed
the educational procedures for them and made them economically
feasible. In fact, once we developed a sufficiently complex culture,
once we had a technological civilization, it became necessary for
most people to read and write if they were to have any kind of job
at all. And so it was possible.
We live in a world now in which education isnt geared for
creativity and the kinds of jobs you have destroy any feeling of
creativity you might have had t o begin with. If you spend all day
in the assembly line, what the heck are you going to develop? Your
mind goes to pot. So it is amazing that the human brain, for the
most part, is as well off as it is, that it hasnt totally dissolved
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into a kind of undifferentiated goo. I have great hopes that if

you could get to youngsters, have them grow up with the aid of a
computer, so they would have a one-to-one relationship with the
wisdom of the world (the computerized wisdom of the world), they
could follow up what interested them at their own speed and time.
They would not be put to work doing things that are stupid enough
for a computer to do but would be encouraged to do things that are
more human. It may turn out that what we call creativity is a much
more common feature of the human mind than we think. Maybe
Im lucky that I live in the last generation of the noncreative human
society so that the rotten little stories I write stand out and manage
to make a good living for me. Maybe if I lived in the 21st century,
they would say, Nice stories, Asimov, but anyone can do it.
Question: As computers get smarter, do you see us going
through a scenario during the next 10 to 25 years like the one
Toffler talked about in The Third Wave?
Answer: Actually, Toffler wrote a very plausible scenario. I find
myself attracted to some of its features as a natural concomitant
of such a computerization procedure. But, history and the human
species have a way of surprising us. If I were to describe today
what I thought life would be like, say, in the year 2050, and then
bury it in the ground, when people dug it up in 2050 and read it,
they would probably get a good laugh. Edgar Allan Poe had an
amazing, first-rate imagination. He wrote a story the year he died
about travel a thousand years later, in the year 2848. Do you know
what he envisioned? He predicted balloons that could race across
the Atlantic Ocean at a hundred miles an hour! If he could have
been told that we were going to have objects that moved 10 times
as fast and carried many more people in one hundred years, not
one thousand years, he would have been astonished! He wouldnt
have believed it! We always tend to underestimate the extent of
human progress and what we can do if we dont destroy ourselves.
Its very likely that what will be staring us in the face in the future
will not be anything that anyone is predicting now, or if anyone is
predicting it, no one else is paying any attention.
Question: What will your next works be?
Answer: On my 45th anniversary, my new novel, Robots of I
Dawn, is coming out. Its the third largest Elijah Baley novel,
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following Caves of Steel and The Naked Sun, and is a terrific

book. Doubleday has printed 150000 copies, which means they
have confidence in it, but they still dont know how many are in
the book stores right now.
I am also working on a revision to Asirnovs Guide to Science,
which is in its third edition, but it is now 12 years old, so you can
imagine how out of date it is. Im also trying to finish Opus 300,
in time to have it published as my 300th book.
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Our Future in the
Cosmos-Space
Isaac Asimov
Our Future in the Cosmos-Space
Throughout the history of humanity, we have

been extending our range until it is now planet-wide,
covering all parts of Earths surface and reaching to
the bottom of the ocean, to the top of the atmosphere,
and beyond it to the Moon. W e will flourish only
as long as we continue to extend that range, and
although the potential range is not infinite, it is
incredibly vast even by present standards. We will
eventually extend our range to cover the whole of the
solar system, and then we wll head outward to the
stars.
It frequently happened in my business as a writer, especially in

my younger days when I knew some pretty overwhelming editors,
that an editor would say to me, I have a great idea for a story.
Hed slap me on the back and say, Now go home and write it.
I would always think how easy it was for him to give me an idea
for a story, but it was I, not the editor, who had to sit down and
look at the most terrifying of all things: a blank page. In the
same way, its fun to be introduced and have someone tell a lot
of exaggerations about me; however, then he sits down and Im
the one who has to face the audience. I must say that it helps a
great deal to face an obviously friendly and intelligent audience. I
have brought almost the entire MENSA organization of this region
to this presentation, and, naturally, they take it personally when
I talk about intelligence. I am the international president of that
organization, not because of anything I have done but because of
a whim of the organization.
I want to discuss our future in the cosmos. One of the things I
think will mean the most to us and will make the future different
from the past is the coming of a space-centered society. We are
going to expand into space, and I think it is fitting and right that
we should do so. All through the 50000 years of Homo sapiens,
to say nothing of their hominoid precursors, humanity has been
expanding its range of habitation. We dont know exactly where
the first Homo sapiens made their appearance, but they have been
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expanding until they now inhabit the entire face of the Earth. For
the first time in human history, we are faced with a situation in
which we literally have no place on Earth to expand. We have
crossed all the mountains; we have penetrated all the oceans. We
have plumbed the atmosphere to its height and the oceans to their
depths. Unless we are willing to settle down into a world that is
our prison, we must be ready to move beyond Earth, and I think
we are ready. We have the technological capacity to do so; all that
we need is the will. I think it is quite possible, starting now, to
build settlements in space, to build worlds miniature in comparison
to the Earth but large in comparison to anything we have done so
far. These worlds, in orbit around the Earth, would be capable of
holding tens of thousands of human beings.
This idea of space settlement seems odd to people; it doesnt

seem inviting. When I suggested such an idea in an article I wrote
a few years ago, I received a number of letters arguing against
the possibility of space settlements. The arguments werent based
on economics; the main argument was that nobody would want to
live in space. Nobody would want to leave his comfortable home on
Earth. As nearly as I could tell from their addresses, all the people
who wrote to me were Americans, and I presume that they knew
American history. Americans should understand exactly what it
means to leave their comfortable homes and to go to a completely
strange world. This country was a wilderness at the beginning, and
even after it was settled, it was a foreign land for most people. We
in the United States are the descendents (unless any of you happen
to be American Indians) of people who came here from other
continents in search of something. Our forefathers, who came,
at first, under harsh conditions, knew it would take them weeks
to cross the ocean. They knew that if they met a serious storm,
they would probably not survive. They also knew that when they
landed, they would find a wilderness and possibly hostile natives.
Yet, they still came. Between 1607 and 1617, 11000 Englishmen
came to the new colony of Virginia. In 1617, the population of
Virginia was 1000. How was it possible for 11000 people to come
and yet to have only a population of lOOO? The answer is easy;
10000 died. Yet people continued to come. Why? They came
because life in Europe, for many, was intolerable and because they
wanted to come to a new land to start a new life. Whatever
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the risks, whatever the chances, if they succeeded it would be

something new. It is this same desire that will drive people into
space and cause them to populate as many space settlements as
they can build. The chances of survival in space will probably be
greater than those of the first immigrants to the colony of Virginia.
In their letters to me, some individuals wrote that people would
not be able to endure the kind of engineered environment that
would exist in the space settlements and that they wouldnt be
able to bear not living close to nature as they do on Earth. Who
lives close to nature here on Earth? There are millions of people
on Earth who are never close to nature. I know; I live in the
middle of Manhattan. I admit, I can look out the window and
see Central Park from a distance, b u t I dont venture into it
often. I think people should remember that the space settlements
will probably be engineered to accommodate the comforts of the
Earths inhabitants. It is possible that people will be closer to
nature in these settlements than in many places on the Earth today.
People also wrote that the existence of space settlements would be
unfair to the wretched of the Earth because the educated people
would go into space and leave the less advanced people behind.
That is probably precisely the reverse of what might happen. If we
use the United States as an example, which classes of people came
to this country? Obviously, the European ruling classes did not
come; they were comfortable where they were. Why should they
have left their homelands? The people who came t o the United
States were precisely those who hoped for something better, even
if it meant a great deal of risk. Think of the passage engraved
on the base of the Statue of Liberty: Give me your tired, your
poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched
refuse of your teeming shore. I know those lines, you see, because
in 1923, I was one of the wretched refuse who passed through Ellis
Island. Ive never forgotten 1923 because it was the last year in
which people could enter this country without question. After that,
the word went through the hallowed halls of Congress, Asimov is
in . . . close the golden door. In 1924, the first strict quotas were
placed on immigration. If I had tried to come a year later, I might
not have been allowed to enter.
I imagine that when the time comes to begin emigrating to
the space settlements, it will be hard work t o make sure that not
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only the wretched of the Earth but also the educated people with
usable skills are included. Its going to be just the reverse of what
people are afraid of. In fact, I have also been told in some letters
that space colonization would be unfair because only those nations
with a heritage of rocket travel, space flight, or of high technology
would be able to take advantage of this new frontier, leaving the
rest behind. Again, that idea flies in the face of historical fact. As
an example, when my father decided to come to the United States,
he hadnt the slightest idea of what the ocean looked like; he had
never seen it. He had no heritage of ocean travel. I dont think he
had any idea what a ship looked like unless he had seen a .$cture of
one, and even when he was on the ship, he didnt know what kept
it afloat or how anyone on the ship could tell where they were going
when they were in the middle of the ocean. Im not sure I know,
frankly. Yet he managed to get to the United States without any
tradition or knowledge of seafaring because he had something else.
I will tell you what people will need to get to a space settlement:
it isnt a background in rocketry, it isnt technological know-how,
it isnt any tradition of high technology. Ill tell you what it is if
you will pay close attention because its rather subtle. What they
will need is a ticket, because someone else is going to take them.
Of course, you might ask yourself what these settlements in

space will do for us. Will we settle in space just to make Asimov
happy? Is there any other purpose to it? Yes, there is, because
were going to do a great many things in space that we cant
do on Earth. For instance, 10 years ago, there was an energy
crisis that most of us, perhaps, have now forgotten. These days
we hear about an oil glut instead. Well the oil glut exists only
because there was a world recession; there still is a recession, as
a matter of fact. If we recover economically, the demand for oil
will increase, the glut will disappear overnight, and OPEC will
raise its prices again. There is a limited amount of oil and coal
in the Earth (a great deal more coal than oil), but we could make
do with coal for centuries except that it is increasingly dangerous
to use. Coal is difficult to dig out and transport, and burning
it results in air pollution, produces sulfur and nitrogen oxides
that dissolve in the atmospheres moisture to produce the acid
rain that is destroying life in our ponds and lakes and is killing
our forests. But quite apart from all this, if we continue to burn
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coal indefinitely, we will increase that fraction of the atmosphere

which is made up of carbon dioxide. At the beginning of this
century, approximately 0.03 percent of the air was carbon dioxide.
This amount has increased almost 50 percent since then, and it
will probably double within another half century. There wont be
enough carbon dioxide in the air to interfere with breathing, but it
may produce what we call the greenhouse effect because it tends
to be opaque to infrared radiation. Ordinary sunlight that shines
on the Earth passes through the atmosphere with little absorption
and hits the Earths surface. At night, the Earth reradiates a
portion of this energy as heat (infrared radiation). If the level of
carbon dioxide increases even slightly, this infrared radiation will
have more difficulty getting out. It will be absorbed by the carbon
dioxide, thus heating the atmosphere and raising the temperature
of the Earth very slightly. It wont take much heating t o cause
the polar ice caps to melt, thus changing the climate of the Earth,
undoubtedly for the worse! If you think that nuclear energy has
the potential to make the Earth unlivable, so has the indefinite
burning of coal and oil.
We are going to have to find some other sources of energy, and

the only two sources of energy that will last as long as the Earth
does are fusion energy and solar energy. I dont mean that we
are going to have t o depend solely on one or the other; there are
other sources of energy that can be developed as well. There is
geothermal energy, energy from under the Earth. There is biomass
energy, the energy of the plant world. There is the energy of tides,
wind, waves, and running water. All these can and will be used,
but they are all relatively limited and there is no likelihood that
they will supply all the energy we need. So, in addition to all
these sources, we will need forms of energy that we can rely on
in huge quantities forever. That brings us back to fusion energy
and solar energy. We dont have fusion energy yet, although weve
been working towards it for more than 30 years. Were not sure
exactly what difficulties might exist between demonstrating it in
the laboratory and developing huge power plants that will supply
the world. We do have solar energy, but its difficult t o get in large
quantities because it is spread thinly over the world. If we could
get millions of photovoltaic cells (a kind of silicon cell that sets up a
small electric current when exposed to light) and stretch them over
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half of Arizona (I only mention Arizona because there is usually a

lot of sunshine there), we could perhaps supply enough energy for
Americas needs. If we did that in other parts of the world as well,
we could supply the entire world. There is no doubt, however, that
setting up solar cells (photovoltaic cells) on the Earths surface is
not very efficient. For one thing, there is no solar energy for the
cells to absorb during the night. Even in the daytime under the
best conditions (for example, in a desert area without fog, mist,
or clouds), clear air absorbs a substantial portion of the sunlight,
especially if the Sun is near the horizon. And of course, you also
have the problem of maintaining these cells against natures effects
and against vandalism.
For these reasons it might be more reasonable to build a solar

power station in space. Under such conditions, we could make use
of the entire range of solar energy 98 percent of the time, because
the stations could easily be positioned so they would fall into the
Earths shadow only 2 percent of the time, at the equinoxes. A
chain of these stations around the Earth would allow most of them
to be in the sunshine all the time. Optimists have calculated that
in space, a given area of solar cells will provide 60 times more
energy than on the Earths surface. We can then imagine this
chain of power stations circling the Earth in the equatorial plane
at a height of approximately 22 000 miles above the Earths surface.
At this distance their orbital position will just keep time with the
surface of the Earth as it rotates about its axes. If you stood on
a spot at the equator and looked up at the sky with a sufficiently
strong telescope, you could see the solar power station apparently
motionless above you. I feel a certain proprietorship toward this
idea of a space station. It was advanced about 20 years ago by
people at the AVCO Corporation in Massachusetts, but about
40 years ago I wrote a story called Reason in which I talked
about just such a power station. Of course, I missed the important
point of having it in orbit around the Earth. I described it in an
orbit similar to Mercurys around the Sun so that it could get even
more energy. I ignored the fact that it would be awfully difficult to
aim it at Earth from such a distance; in science fiction stories, you
can dismiss such problems by saying that an advanced technology
wont find it difficult to achieve. Nevertheless, solar power stations
are my idea, and Im proud of it!
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There are a great many other things we could do in space. We

could set up mining stations on the Moon and have laboratories in
space to perform experiments you wouldnt want to do on Earth
because of the risks involved to the population. Some years ago,
people were very worried about recombinant DNA research. They
feared that scientists would come up with a new strain of bacteria
which would get out into the biosphere, and once it did, you would
never get rid of it. It was like Pandoras box, when she opened it, all
the ills of the world flew out and have plagued humanity ever since.
In this same vein, suppose that for some very good reason, from
the standpoint of research, scientists developed a strain of E. coli
(a common bacteria that lives in the human large intestine) which
had a very interesting chemical property that they wanted to study.
But at the same time, it might turn out that this strain would
make people prone to diarrhea. Suppose this strain is released to
the world. People always speak about the danger of developing a
black death germ that would kill everybody it touches and how
terrible it would be if it were released. I dont think we have to be
that extreme. An E. coli strain that would bring about diarrhea
could be extremely disturbing to the entire Earth.
However, at the time when people spoke and worried about

recombinant DNA research and worked up all kinds of horrible
nightmares in connection with it, I believed it might turn out to
be important and valuable research. It occurred to me then that
this research might develop strains of bacteria that could form in-
sulin, other hormones, and certain blood fractions, things that we
need in quantity and cant get in the usual way. Recombinant
DNA research might produce microorganisms that could fix ni-
trogen from the atmosphere and form terrific fertilizers or other
microorganisms that could consume hydrocarbons under certain
conditions and clean up oil spills. The research might simply give
us information about the organization of living cells so that we
could better understand what causes and what might cure cancer,
or arthritis, or any of the other degenerative diseases that are now
the major inflictions of the human race. How nice it would be to
set up a space laboratory in Earth orbit in which the recombinant
DNA research could be done. It wouldnt matter how dangerous
the research was. I suppose it would still be mathematically pos-
sible for bacteria to escape and infect the Earth, but the chances
would be far less than if the work were actually done on Earth.
We could perform many such dangerous experiments in space. We
could establish fission and fusion power stations in orbit and not
have to worry about Three Mile Island incidents. Naturally, peo-
ple working in the stations would still be exposed to these dangers,
but they would be relatively few in number. They would be vol-
unteers and specialists, and would know the risks involved. That
is a different matter than doing research surrounded by millions of
innocent people who are not aware of the risks.
We can also build observatories in space. I always said that we
should set up a telescope in space which could look at the universe
from outside the Earths atmosphere, and now events are finally
catching up with my imaginings. Even at its best, the atmosphere
obscures. Its warm and its temperature varies so that there are
always shifting columns of air. Whenever you look at the sky, it is
like looking at it through frosted glass or through something that
is transparent but trembling. If you have ever watched a television
screen that for some reason is shaking, you realize how annoying
it can be. When an astronomer looks at the heavens, the image
is always shaking. Thats why stars twinkle and why you cant
see Mars surface from Earth any clearer with a large telescope
than with a small one. The large telescope shows you a larger
Mars; it also shows you larger twinkles, which obscure the surface.
If we could get outside the atmosphere, we could see much more
clearly. There would be no twinkles because the vacuum doesnt
interfere with viewing like the atmosphere does. We would be able
to see the distant galaxies in great detail and possibly tell more
about the beginning and the end of the universe. We could see all
kinds of unusual stars in greater detail and learn more about stellar
evolution and about some of the queer beasts in the astronomical
zoo. But I always said this entirely on faith, and sometimes I
wondered to myself, What if we put a telescope out there and it
doesnt find anything! Well, those are the breaks of the game, but
I would have been very disappointed.
Recently the United States launched the IRAS (infrared astron-
omy satellite) to examine the universe in the infrared range. It saw
a grea.t deal that we cant see from the surface because our atmo-
sphere absorbs infrared radiation. One of the things the telescope
looked at was the star Vega. It turns out, this star emits a surpris-
ing quantity of infrared radiation. However, astronomers looked
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more closely at this phenomenon and determined that the infrared

radiation was coming not from the star itself, but from an annular
region all around it. Apparently, there are colder objects circling
Vega which absorb some of Vegas light and emit it as infrared
radiation. These objects are not simply a shell of dust around
Vega; they are larger particles, and the implication is that they are
in the process of condensing into a planetary system. This is the
first time we have ever acquired observational information concern-
ing the development of any planetary system other than our own.
There are various theories concerning the formation of planetary
systems, and if these theories are correct, then almost every star
should have a planetary system. For obvious reasons, we have not
been able to actually see the planets of the distant stars. Stars are
very far away and any planet shining only by reflected light cant
reflect enough light to show up in our telescopes. Even if they did,
they are so close to the star that their light would be drowned out
by the much brighter light of the star. But now, as a result of
IRAS, we have seen what seems to be a planetary system in the
process of formation about another star, which makes us feel a lit-
tle more confident about our theories of the way planetary systems
should form. We now feel a little more confident about saying that
stars have planets, as a general rule. Why does this star theory
matter to us on Earth? There is a long chain of reasoning; there
are many stars in the universe and a certain percentage of them
resemble our Sun. If all the stars have planetary systems and these
Sun-like stars have planetary systems, then a certain percentage
of these planets ought to be Earth-like. If Earth-like planets ex-
ist, then they probably have developed life, and if there are this
many life-bearing planets, one of them should develop intelligent
life. Perhaps one of these has developed a technological civilization
that we can detect or, perhaps, they are trying to contact us. This
chain of reasoning causes some astronomers to feel certain that the
universe has a great many technological civilizations, of which we
are only one. However, this chain is so attenuated, so weak, and
so highly theoretical that it is perfectly possible to argue, as some
astronomers do, that the chain is broken at one or more points
and that we may be the only technological civilization in our entire
galaxy. It would be nice to know the answer. A telescope in space
has already given us some reason to think that there may be other
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technological civilizations in space besides our own. Who knows

what else such instruments may discover?
Another kind of structure in outer space is factories. There is no
reason why a good proportion of our industrial factories couldnt be
placed into orbit. Space has very unusual properties that may be
helpful to us. It has unlimited vacuum, zero gravity, the possibility
of high and low temperatures, and hard radiation. There are a
great many things we can do in space that we can do only with
difficulty, if at all, on Earth. Most important of all, when we have
a factory in space, any unavoidable pollution that it produces can
be discharged into space.
Space is huge compared to the surface of the Earth. Some
people argue that to earlier generations the ocean seemed huge
and capable of absorbing any amount of pollution. But now we
are in danger of poisoning the entire atmosphere. Some people
argue that in the future we may be so casual about releasing
pollutants into space that we may gradually poison all the space
around ourselves. However, that wont happen, for not only is
space literally millions of times more voluminous than the biosphere
and not occupied by trillions of living things, but it is also true
that nothing we release into space is going to stay there because of
something called the solar wind. The Sun emits speeding particles
in every direction; it has been doing this as long as it has been in
existence and will continue to do this for billions of years. This
solar wind will push the pollutants out beyond the orbit of Mars,
beyond the asteroids and into the outer solar system, where there
is a trillion times more room than in the Earths neighborhood.
The solar wind has a natural ventilating effect. This is important
because it means that perhaps Earth can get rid of its dark satanic
mills (to quote William Blake, who wrote in the first decades of
the 19th century) without abandoning industrialization. People
who view industrialization as a source of the Earths troubles, its
pollution, and the desecration of its surface, can only advocate
that we give it up. This is something that we cant do; we have the
tiger by the tail. We have 4.5 billion people on Earth. We cant
support that many unless were industrialized and technologically
advanced. So, the idea is not to get rid of industrialization but to
move it somewhere else. If we can move it a few thousand miles
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into space, we still have it, but not on Earth. Earth can then
become a world of parks, farms, and wilderness without giving up
the benefits of industrialization.
All this will be possible because we will have structures built
in space. Who will build these space structures? It seems to me
that its an unnecessary expense to have them built by commuters.
It wouldnt make sense to send people into space every morning
and have them come back every evening or, even, t o send them
up every spring and have them come back every fall. We would
want the people who are busy constructing the necessary structures
in space, maintaining them, and improving them t o be people who
live in space. Why should the people of the space settlements labor
t o do this? They would share in the benefits t o be derived from
it, and, I suppose in the last analysis, they would do it for money.
In other words, in exchange for their labor, they would get some
things that would otherwise exist only on Earth. There would be
a fine economic balance that I will allow economists to work out.
The fact of the matter is that we would have a much larger, more
variegated, and versatile world; it would be much richer and more
advanced in knowledge so that we would look back on the present
and think of it as a dark age when human beings lived only on
Earth.
The space settlers, who will live on these worlds in orbit, will be
the cutting edge of humanity for the future. These are the people
who will move farther out into the solar system. It was difficult
to reach the Moon although the flight took only 3 days. Imagine
the problems for us to reach Mars when it might take months of
travel or to reach the outer solar system when it might take years
of travel? We are not really built for space flight; we are used
to living on the outside of a huge world, not in the inside of a
spaceship. We are used to a system of cycling air, food, and water
that is so large that we are unaware of the actual process. We
dont know where the pure sparkling water that we drink comes
from, and we dont care. We dont know how the plants that we
eat grow or what they use for food, and we dont care. We dont
know what processes the atmosphere uses to clean itself. But if
we lived in a spaceship, wed know. Wed know that our air was
manufactured from the carbon dioxide that we exhaled and that
the food and water were once part of our waste products. (Thats
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also true on Earth, of course, but were not aware of it.) We would
also be subjected t o gravitational systems that would not be like
those on Earth; they would vary. For all these reasons, space flight
seems unnatural to us. But to the space settlers, who would arrive
by space flight and live and work in larger versions of a spaceship,
these conditions would seem natural. They might run mines on
the Moon, and they would travel in a spaceship that would be very
much like the space stations in which they would live (maybe a
little smaller but thats all). They would be living inside a world
with tight cycling and varying gravitational forces. They would
be the natural pioneers. They, not we, would be the Vikings, the
Phoenicians, the Polynesians of the future. They would make the
long trips to Mars and the asteroids and learn how to mine the
asteroids. They could travel out into the solar system and make
plans to reach the stars someday. All we can do here on Earth,
maybe, is reach the Moon. From worlds in orbit around the Earth,
we can reach all the rest.
Beyond all these material things that space exploration can
bring us, there is something completely immaterial that counts
more than anything else. One thing that can stop us from going
into space, from realizing what I consider a glorious possible future
for humanity, is the fact that here on Earth, most people, especially
those in power, are far more concerned with the immediate threat
from other countries than they are with the possible dangers
to civilization as a whole. How much of any countrys mental
energy, money, effort, and their emotion is directed towards saving
civilization from destruction by pollution, overpopulation, or war,
and how much is spent maintaining armed forces because of the
danger from neighboring countries? You know the answer; the
world is now spending 500 billion dollars every year for war and
preparations for war. Thats half a trillion dollars every year spent
on forces that we dont dare use, or if we do use them, it is only
to wreak destruction. The United States and the Soviet Union
quarrel over differences that may be extremely important, but if
the quarrel extends to the point of a nuclear war that destroys
civilization, the differences become inconsequential.
How are we to prevent this whole thing from happening? There
is one example in history that is very unusual. From 1861 to 1865,
the United States fought the War Between the States, and many
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of its most epic battles were fought on Virginias soil. One side
lost; one side won. For a period of years, the winners showed no
mercy as far as the losers were concerned, and the losers lived under
occupation forces. The South has lived with this loss ever since,
and yet the bitterness passed. This is not to say that the South has
forgotten the Confederacy (of course it hasnt), but its not forever
laying plans to reestablish it. It hasnt maintained an attitude
of unforgiveness; it doesnt say, We will never forget. It doesnt
always try to find allies abroad to help it reestablish itself. We have
reunited into a single nation. How did we manage t o do that, when
there are other places on Earth in which the mutual hatred has
continued undiminished because of things that happened thousands
of years ago, and people refuse to forget? My theory is that after
the Civil War there was a period of the development in the West,
in which the North and the South could take part indiscriminately.
People from both sides traveled westward and established the new
states, and in the positive task of developing the western half of
the United States, the old quarrels were forgotten. What was
needed was something new, something great, something growing
into which the old problems would sink into insignificance. It was
just our good fortune that we had the development of the West to
occupy our minds in the half century after the Civil War.
I have a feeling that if we really expanded into space with all our
might and made it a global project, this would be the equivalent
of the winning of the West. Its not just a matter of idealism or
preaching brotherhood. If we can build power stations in space
that will supply all the energy the world needs, then the rest of the
world will want that energy too. The only way that each country
will be able to get that energy will be to make sure these stations
are maintained. It wont be easy to build and maintain them;
it will be quite expensive and time-consuming. But if the whole
world wants energy and if the price is world cooperation, then I
think people are going to do it.
We already cooperate on things that the whole world needs.
International organizations monitor the worlds weather and pol-
lution and deal with things like the oceans and with Antarctica.
Perhaps if we see that it is to our advantage to cooperate, then only
the real maniacs will avoid cooperating and they will be left out
in the cold when the undoubted benefits come in. I think that, al-
though we as nations will retain our suspicions and mutual hatreds,
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we will find it to our advantage to cooperate in developing space.

In doing so, we will be able to adopt a globalist view of our situa-
tion. The internal strife between Earthlings, the little quarrels over
this or that patch of the Earth, and the magnified memories of past
injustices will diminish before the much greater task of developing
a new, much larger world. I think that the development of space is
the great positive project that will force cooperation, a new outlook
that may bring peace to the Earth, and a kind of federalized world
government. In such a government, each region will be concerned
with those matters that concern itself alone, but the entire world
would act as a unit on matters that affect the entire world. Only in
such a way will we be able to survive and to avoid the kind of wars
that will either gradually destroy our civilization or develop into a
war that will suddenly destroy it. There are so many benefits to
be derived from space exploration and exploitation; why not take
what seems to me the only chance of escaping what is otherwise
the sure destruction of all that humanity has struggled to achieve
for 50000 years? That is one of the reasons, by the way, that I
have come from New York to Hampton despite the fact that I have
a hatred of traveling and I faced 8 hours on the train with a great
deal of fear and trembling. It was not only The College of William
and Mary that invited me, but NASA as well, and it is difficult
for me to resist NASA, knowing full well that it symbolizes what I
believe in too.
Question: The first book of yours that I read was I, Robot. In

your opinion, how close are we today to the world you described in
that book?
Answer: Although the book was written in 1939, those robots
were very intelligent and human-like in their capacity. As yet, the
robots we use today are merely computerized arms that can do one
specialized job. So, were not very close, but were heading in the
right direction. Although I have never done any work on robots
and know almost nothing about the nuts and bolts, I think that I
came close enough that I am almost the patron saint of robotics.
Most of the people who work in robotics obtained at least some
of their early interest in the field by reading my books. I was the
first person to use the word robotics, and I spoke of the Handbook
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of Robotics, from which I quoted my three laws. I said they were

from the 56th edition, in 2058 A.D. Now someone is actually in the
process of putting out the first edition of that book, and theyve
asked me to write the introduction. I guess the people who are
working in robotics see themselves moving toward the world I
described 40 years ago, and Im willing to accept their judgment.
Question: Why do you restrict yourself to looking for Earth-
like planets in the search for technological civilizations, why not
Jupiter-like planets, for instance, or Pluto-like planets?
Answer: If we assume that there can be life even under
widely varying conditions, we make the problem perhaps a little
too easy. There is also the chance that life evolving under such
conditions might be so different from human life in very basic
ways that we will not be able to detect it or to understand that
it is a technological civilization even if we encounter it. As our
information and knowledge grow, we might be able t o widen our
view to recognize life and civilization of widely different kinds. But
to start with, acknowledging our own limitations and the fact that
we know so little, we are looking for technological civilizations
sufficiently like our own to be perhaps recognizable. So at the
start, but not necessarily forever, we restrict ourselves to Earth-
like planets.
Question: Do you think, because our bodies are fragile and we
have limited life spans, that what we now know as humanity would
ever be replaced by inorganic intelligence?
Answer: I believe that computers have a kind of intelligence
which is extremely different from our own. The computer can do
things that we are particularly ill adapted to do. Humans dont
handle rapid intricate calculations very well, and its good to have
computers do them. On the other hand, we have the capacity
for insight, intuition, fantasy, imagination, and creativity, which
we cant program into our computers, and it is perhaps not even
advisable to try because we do it so well ourselves. I visualize
a future in which we will have both kinds of intelligence working
in cooperation, in a symbiotic relationship, moving forward faster
than either could separately. The fact that we are so fragile and
short lived is an advantage in my way of thinking. In Robots of
Dawn, I compare two civilizations; one is our own in which people
I
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are short lived, and the other is that of our descendants in which
they are long lived. I point out the disadvantage to the species a~
a whole of being long lived. I wont repeat the arguments, because
if I dont you may storm the bookstores out of sheer curiosity to
see what Ive said.
Question: One of the great themes of science fiction is the
settlement of other planets. Is there any place in this solar system
or nearby that might be habitable?
Answer: As far as we know, there is no world in our solar
system that is habitable by human beings without some form of
artificial help. The Moon and Mars, which come the closest to
being tolerable, will require us to build underground cities or dome
cities, and if we venture on the surface, we will have to wear space
suits. This is not to say that it will not be possible someday to
terraform such worlds and to make them habitable; but I honestly
dont know if it will be worth it for us to do so. As to planets
circling other stars, we do not really know of such planets in detail.
We suspect their existence, and we figure statistically that a certain
number of them ought to be habitable, but we have yet to observe
any evidence of such a thing. It is still very much in the realm of
speculation.
Question: You made the analogy between the migration from
Europe at the turn of the century and possible future migrations
to space stations and other planets. It has been shown that as a
result of our technology, people in this country are taller, heavier,
better built, and able to set new records in endurance and physical
capabilities. Would you speculate about the effect that living in
space stations might have on the human body and its evolutionary
potential?
Answer: It is hard to tell. I suspect that people will make
the environment of these space settlements as close to that of
Earth as possible. But in one respect, they will have problems;
there is no way that they can imitate Earths gravitational field.
They can produce a substitute by making the space settlement
rotate, so that the centrifugal effect will force you against the
inner surface and mimic the effects of gravity. But it wont be a
perfect imitation; there wont be a Coriolis effect and, also as you
approach the axes of rotation, the gravitational effect will become
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Our Future i n the Cosmos-Space
weaker. The people who will live in a space settlement will be

exposed to variations in the gravitational effect far greater than
any you can possibly feel on the surface of the Earth. This may
give rise to all sorts of physiological changes in human beings. I
dont know what they will be; we cant know until we actually try
living in space. So far, people have been subjected t o essentially
zero gravity for as long as 7 months at a time without apparently
permanent ill effects. But human beings have never been born at
zero gravity or under varying gravitational conditions; they have
never developed and grown up under such conditions, and we cant
be sure what the effects will be. From an optimistic standpoint,
I suppose that under such conditions human beings will develop
a greater tolerance of gravitational effects than they now possess.
This will further prepare them for life in the universe, whereas we
ourselves have been specifically evolved and conditioned for life in
one very specialized place in the galaxy. The overall effect may be
to strengthen the human species; at least, Id like to think so. The
future will tell us if that is so.
Question: In your opinion, when will there be solar power
stations in orbit and manned ventures to Mars, considering the
technological leaps with the Space Shuttle and the Soviets Salyut
space stations?
Answer: It is hard t o say when solar power stations in space
will be developed. Its up to the human governments that control
the money and the manpower. If we begin to cooperate and make
a wholesale attempt, we could have solar power stations in space
before the 21st century was very old. In other words, someone as
young as the person who asked me this question, may see space
stations by the time he is middle-aged. But on the other hand,
if we choose not to do it, then we may never have these stations
in space. The choice is ours. We can choose to develop space or
we can choose world destruction. Im at a loss to state in words
how desirable the first alternative is and how likely the second
alternative is.
Question: What kind of timetable do you envision for human-
itys exploration of space, and what good or harm do you think is
done by prospace groups?
Answer: Well, we cant expect things t o happen too quickly.
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The region that we now call the United States was being settled
for nearly two centuries before this country came into existence.
Weve celebrated our bicentennial as a nation, but in a little over
20 years were going to have to celebrate the tetracentennial of our
existence as a community on American soil, from the establishment
of Jamestown in 1607. If it took nearly two centuries to settle the
United States to nationhood, it might take that long to establish
a space community strong enough to be independent of the Earth.
On the other hand, things move more quickly now; were more
advanced. It may take less than a century to do so if we really try
hard. As for the effects that prospace organizations might have,
Im not a sociologist so I just dont know. Im in favor of prospace
organizations doing their best to persuade human beings to support
space exploration. I dont know how that can be bad.
Question; Assuming that we do not annihilate ourselves, what
is your view of how life on Earth will evolve, both humans and
other life forms?
Answer: You must understand that evolution naturally is a
very slow process and human beings can well live for 100000 years
without many serious changes. On the other hand, we are now
developing methods of genetic engineering which will, perhaps,
be able to wipe out certain inborn diseases, or correct them and
improve various aspects of the human condition. I dont know how
we will develop or what we will choose to do; its impossible to
predict.
Question: How long do you think it will be before people live
in outer space?
Answer; Thats entirely up to us. In a way, weve had people
living in outer space already, ever since the first Russian cosmonaut
spent 1 1/2 hours in space. We have now had people living in outer
space for 7 months at a time; in fact, one Soviet cosmonaut lived
in outer space for 12 months over a period of 18 months. SOweve
had people living in outer space already, and Im sure well have
more and more of them for longer and longer periods of time.
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THE IMPACT OF SCIENCE

THE IMPACT OF SCIENCE

Prepared by Langley Research Center

Scientific and Technical Information Branch 1985

Burke, James, 1936-

For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office

The Legacy of Science . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3

Accomplishments of Science by the Year 2000 . . . . . . 33

Our Future in the Cosmos-Computers . . . . . . . . . 59

Our Future in the Cosmos-Space . . . . . . . . . . . 79

Change is one of mankinds most mysterious

Somebody once apparently said to the philosopher Wittgen-

Let me look at the envelope from a very basic point of view,

reality is or is not for the organism. Anything that doesnt get

The cognitive model-or to give it a better name, the paradigm-

from time to time. According to Aristotle, who worked out a

dreamed of-least of all Huntsman, who sat there saying, What

discoveries in history. When cannons started being popular in the

business, and found body tissue-20 types of it. Incidentally, he

disposal-give it the widest flexibility in terms of individual action

knowing and accepting where you stood in society and sticking

sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, and a slew of people talking

forward-moving beam a shorter route to travel, so it could get

capable of associative chains of thought like this one: look, see,

been describing? Is it due t o shift? Well, obviously it is. But

in, garbage out and A machine is only as good as the people

the redundancies that come if all you do is replace people with

of controlled anarchy, kept in balance by the electronics. Its the

Question: You discussed the future paradigm as perhaps being

know how to structure your approach to the knowledge? I dont

I remember once we were having a discussion in the BBC when

As the first full-time television network science editor in the US,

By the year 2000 well be flying o n supersonic

As a society, we walk a tightrope between limbo and extinction.

Todays climate of controversy, confusion, and too often outright

engineer reviewed the first flight of the Wright Brothers at Kitty

along. We are gathered to talk about the future, or a reasonable

can be run more cheaply; otherwise, the nation is on the verge of

heart development costs, in this era of shrinking research funding?

nuclear energy to getting to the Moon, because it involves changing

One of my favorite slogans is that people who leap to conclusions

attention than it now receives. Why we do what we do is perhaps

Question: Why do you think there has been the tendency

Answer: I think its the almighty dollar; I think people go where

electronics. Well, electronics is sure gone, and aviation cant be

should be earning for essentially sitting around pushing a pencil. I

Answer: It didnt do him any good; in fact, it set him back,

Answer: That doesnt get into it at all, because commercial

Question: Could you give us some suggestions on how to

exchange. Now if you want to extrapolate that (and there are

Answer: The congressman was talking about what is called

Question: Can you give me an estimate on when you think this

Answer: At the rate were going now?

Answer: All of a sudden the energy crisis slowed down and

Question: You said that we will be technologically illiterate in

and teach the teachers how to use them?

a lab comes u p with something new. As for the Moon, I know of

Answer: Favorably, I trust, so they become relatively faster