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Dune #4
Dios emperador de Dune
4th in Dune Chronicles Series
With more than ten million copies sold, Frank Herbert's magnificent Dune books stand among the major achievements of the imagination. Of them all, God Emperor of Dune, the fourth, is the greatest and the grandest. Centuries have passed on Dune itself, and the planet is green with life. Leto II, the son of Dune's savior, is still alive but far from human. He has become a human-sandworm creature, ruling over his angry and frustrated empire with his vast legions of Fish Speaker soldiers, enforcing peace for dozens of generations to teach the universe a lesson, while also waiting for the right time to turn Dune back into a desert planet. The fate of all humanity hangs on Leto's awesome sacrifice.
568 pages, Paperback
First published May 1, 1981
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Frank Herbert
504 books15.2k followersFranklin Patrick Herbert Jr. was an American science fiction author best known for the 1965 novel Dune and its five sequels. Though he became famous for his novels, he also wrote short stories and worked as a newspaper journalist, photographer, book reviewer, ecological consultant, and lecturer.
The Dune saga, set in the distant future, and taking place over millennia, explores complex themes, such as the long-term survival of the human species, human evolution, planetary science and ecology, and the intersection of religion, politics, economics and power in a future where humanity has long since developed interstellar travel and settled many thousands of worlds. Dune is the best-selling science fiction novel of all time, and the entire series is considered to be among the classics of the genre.
The Dune saga, set in the distant future, and taking place over millennia, explores complex themes, such as the long-term survival of the human species, human evolution, planetary science and ecology, and the intersection of religion, politics, economics and power in a future where humanity has long since developed interstellar travel and settled many thousands of worlds. Dune is the best-selling science fiction novel of all time, and the entire series is considered to be among the classics of the genre.
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February 6, 2013
I hated this book the first time I read it. Hated every person in it, did not understand why anyone acted the way they did. Now it's one of my top-ten comfort reads, and I see so much in Leto I want for myself.
Dune was the perfect hero book, and then Herbert turned the trope of “boy becomes Messiah and saves the noble people” on its head with Dune Messiah and Children of Dune. In those two volumes, everything assumed and trusted became so much sand, and a son had to destroy his Messiah father’s legacy to save the universe from religious genocide and tyranny. We closed on the boy becoming yet another saviour and had only a vague, hopeful idea of what he intended to do next.
Herbert could have left us there, many thought he would when he finished his Dune Trilogy. Instead, he published his most difficult and daring book yet. In Emperor, we discover that the boy’s plan to save humanity from tyranny is... to become the ultimate Tyrant, and Predator of humankind. Yeah, I’m with you. Just say “huh?” and get it over with. I can’t explain without giving plot away. Emperor is a masterpiece of philosophy, and the best book in the series, but I wouldn’t blame you if you stopped somewhere in the middle and stuffed it to the back of your shelf for ten years before you gave it another chance. Who am I to argue? I did.
Dune was the perfect hero book, and then Herbert turned the trope of “boy becomes Messiah and saves the noble people” on its head with Dune Messiah and Children of Dune. In those two volumes, everything assumed and trusted became so much sand, and a son had to destroy his Messiah father’s legacy to save the universe from religious genocide and tyranny. We closed on the boy becoming yet another saviour and had only a vague, hopeful idea of what he intended to do next.
Herbert could have left us there, many thought he would when he finished his Dune Trilogy. Instead, he published his most difficult and daring book yet. In Emperor, we discover that the boy’s plan to save humanity from tyranny is... to become the ultimate Tyrant, and Predator of humankind. Yeah, I’m with you. Just say “huh?” and get it over with. I can’t explain without giving plot away. Emperor is a masterpiece of philosophy, and the best book in the series, but I wouldn’t blame you if you stopped somewhere in the middle and stuffed it to the back of your shelf for ten years before you gave it another chance. Who am I to argue? I did.
August 25, 2021
*** 2021 reread -
Paul M’uab Dib: Son, I’m going to break all the rules and then provide a new order to the galaxy. I’m going to change everything and establish a revolution that will affect tens of billions of people and then when that’s done, I’m going to be a prophet of what went wrong and institute a theological framework for the continuation of our rule.
Leto II: Hold my beer.
This is the greatest reversal of opinion about a book I’ve ever had.
There’s an old saying about how you can never step twice into the same river, because both you and the river have changed. Wonder if that’s what happened here. I reviewed this in 2011, giving it a two star, and taking a break from the Dune series and even from Frank Herbert for over three years. In the past ten years, I’ve grown more comfortable with my love of all things Dune, and maybe matured some in my appreciation of fantasy literature.
I’ve reread Dune several times, reread Dune Messiah a couple years ago and then Children of Dune this year, enjoying Herbert’s writing more and more. As I turned the last page on Children, as Leto is demonstrating his superhuman powers, I looked ahead knowing that I had rung up a 2-star rating on the next book.
Critics of God Emperor, and I was one, compare this to the original, even lamenting the absurdity of Leto’s transformation into a near worm. Herbert was too good for such a continuation; in Leto he crafted a character unique in SF literature.
Leto as Superman.
As great a character as Superman is in the DC universe, and in our superhero mythos over the past 80 years, becoming an iconic image of all things symbolizing truth, justice and the American way, critics have correctly lampooned that he’s too perfect, god-like in his power and invulnerability. Garth Ennis, in his brilliant anti-hero satire The Boys, made up Homelander, a hero much like Clark Kent except he is twisted to evil. Ennis poses the delicious question, if superman is bad, what are you going to do?
As Children of Dune ends, Leto has become a symbiosis of man and sand trout, becoming something else. He demonstrates his new powers to the Fremen, revealing that he is inhumanly strong and seemingly invincible.
Hold my beer.
More than three thousand years later and he has transformed the known universe as completely as his appearance. He is a massive creature, more worm than man, and possibly immortal. THREE THOUSAND AND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS. It would be like if an Egyptian pharaoh began to rule in 1500 BCE and is still in power! All the world a vassal under his sandaled feet.
Herbert describes the Pax Leto, an enforced tranquility where Leto is worshipped as a god, supreme in his power and influence.
And here is where Herbert demonstrates his genius: this is a character study, a glimpse into ultimate power. The galaxy is ruled by the iron hand of a single entity, a thing who is both man and woman and neither, having a complete recall of millennia of collective memories and a prescience of future events.
There is a scene where Leto discusses with one of his most trusted servants about how the man, already elderly, is a mote in the god Leto’s eye, his long life a mere speck in the measurement of a being who had lived more than thirty times as long and without a definite life span ahead.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
Herbert, the Science Fiction Hall of Fame member, and winner of the Nebula and Hugo awards, then reveals in Leto a lost humanity. He laments his lost manhood and weeps for love and intimacy that he can never realize.
Leto and Duncan Idaho.
When I first read this over ten years ago, I found some comic relief in the endless parade of Duncan Idaho ghola clones who came to serve Leto from the axolotl tanks of the Ixians. When one Duncan dies, usually at the hands of Leto, his replacement arrives soon thereafter, recalling his death in the pages of the original Dune and not understanding the world in which he lives nor the master he now serves. This time around I see that Herbert uses Duncan not just as a tie in to the earlier story, but as a grounding vehicle for Leto, Duncan is his connection to his humanity, and from the perspective of as voyeur his surrogate.
Duncan’s relationship with Hwi Noree is all the more poignant when considering this odd love triangle.
Leto and The Worm.
Many characters in the book note that Leto is a composite of man and worm, even distinguishing behavior associated with Leto and other, more bestial and unpredictable and dangerous, as that of the worm as apex predator. In this way Herbert evokes the duality of man allusion from Robert Louis Stevenson’s Jekyll and Hide. Stephen King noted, in Danse Macabre, that Stevenson’s 1886 work was a fundamental template upon which much of the horror genre was based. Storylines and themes as divergent as werewolves and The Incredible Hulk all share horrific foundations of man and monster, of man losing control of the thin veneer of civilization to quickly and irrevocably become beast. In Leto, Herbert has envisioned the culmination of this concept – man to god, man to devil – and we can also consider an association with Arthur Machen’s 1890 publication the Great God Pan as Leto is referred to as wild and threatening, a hulking killer.
And of course a sand worm has special significance in Frank Herbert’s Dune world building. Leto has become that time’s Shai-Hulud.
So, my opinion of this great book has been radically changed. Not the weakest link in a great series, but a brilliant work in its own right.
Paul M’uab Dib: Son, I’m going to break all the rules and then provide a new order to the galaxy. I’m going to change everything and establish a revolution that will affect tens of billions of people and then when that’s done, I’m going to be a prophet of what went wrong and institute a theological framework for the continuation of our rule.
Leto II: Hold my beer.
This is the greatest reversal of opinion about a book I’ve ever had.
There’s an old saying about how you can never step twice into the same river, because both you and the river have changed. Wonder if that’s what happened here. I reviewed this in 2011, giving it a two star, and taking a break from the Dune series and even from Frank Herbert for over three years. In the past ten years, I’ve grown more comfortable with my love of all things Dune, and maybe matured some in my appreciation of fantasy literature.
I’ve reread Dune several times, reread Dune Messiah a couple years ago and then Children of Dune this year, enjoying Herbert’s writing more and more. As I turned the last page on Children, as Leto is demonstrating his superhuman powers, I looked ahead knowing that I had rung up a 2-star rating on the next book.
Critics of God Emperor, and I was one, compare this to the original, even lamenting the absurdity of Leto’s transformation into a near worm. Herbert was too good for such a continuation; in Leto he crafted a character unique in SF literature.
Leto as Superman.
As great a character as Superman is in the DC universe, and in our superhero mythos over the past 80 years, becoming an iconic image of all things symbolizing truth, justice and the American way, critics have correctly lampooned that he’s too perfect, god-like in his power and invulnerability. Garth Ennis, in his brilliant anti-hero satire The Boys, made up Homelander, a hero much like Clark Kent except he is twisted to evil. Ennis poses the delicious question, if superman is bad, what are you going to do?
As Children of Dune ends, Leto has become a symbiosis of man and sand trout, becoming something else. He demonstrates his new powers to the Fremen, revealing that he is inhumanly strong and seemingly invincible.
Hold my beer.
More than three thousand years later and he has transformed the known universe as completely as his appearance. He is a massive creature, more worm than man, and possibly immortal. THREE THOUSAND AND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS. It would be like if an Egyptian pharaoh began to rule in 1500 BCE and is still in power! All the world a vassal under his sandaled feet.
Herbert describes the Pax Leto, an enforced tranquility where Leto is worshipped as a god, supreme in his power and influence.
And here is where Herbert demonstrates his genius: this is a character study, a glimpse into ultimate power. The galaxy is ruled by the iron hand of a single entity, a thing who is both man and woman and neither, having a complete recall of millennia of collective memories and a prescience of future events.
There is a scene where Leto discusses with one of his most trusted servants about how the man, already elderly, is a mote in the god Leto’s eye, his long life a mere speck in the measurement of a being who had lived more than thirty times as long and without a definite life span ahead.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
Herbert, the Science Fiction Hall of Fame member, and winner of the Nebula and Hugo awards, then reveals in Leto a lost humanity. He laments his lost manhood and weeps for love and intimacy that he can never realize.
Leto and Duncan Idaho.
When I first read this over ten years ago, I found some comic relief in the endless parade of Duncan Idaho ghola clones who came to serve Leto from the axolotl tanks of the Ixians. When one Duncan dies, usually at the hands of Leto, his replacement arrives soon thereafter, recalling his death in the pages of the original Dune and not understanding the world in which he lives nor the master he now serves. This time around I see that Herbert uses Duncan not just as a tie in to the earlier story, but as a grounding vehicle for Leto, Duncan is his connection to his humanity, and from the perspective of as voyeur his surrogate.
Duncan’s relationship with Hwi Noree is all the more poignant when considering this odd love triangle.
Leto and The Worm.
Many characters in the book note that Leto is a composite of man and worm, even distinguishing behavior associated with Leto and other, more bestial and unpredictable and dangerous, as that of the worm as apex predator. In this way Herbert evokes the duality of man allusion from Robert Louis Stevenson’s Jekyll and Hide. Stephen King noted, in Danse Macabre, that Stevenson’s 1886 work was a fundamental template upon which much of the horror genre was based. Storylines and themes as divergent as werewolves and The Incredible Hulk all share horrific foundations of man and monster, of man losing control of the thin veneer of civilization to quickly and irrevocably become beast. In Leto, Herbert has envisioned the culmination of this concept – man to god, man to devil – and we can also consider an association with Arthur Machen’s 1890 publication the Great God Pan as Leto is referred to as wild and threatening, a hulking killer.
And of course a sand worm has special significance in Frank Herbert’s Dune world building. Leto has become that time’s Shai-Hulud.
So, my opinion of this great book has been radically changed. Not the weakest link in a great series, but a brilliant work in its own right.
September 9, 2022
Bardzo się cieszę, że jednak nie poprzestałam na przeczytaniu "Diuny".
"Bóg Imperator Diuny" jest inny. Różni się od poprzednich tomów między innymi ilością metafor i odniesień do współczesnego świata. Nikogo nie zdziwię faktem, że swego rodzaju melanż naprawdę istnieje, a ludzie nie różnią się bardzo od tych w diunie (choć nikt nie jest tak brzydki jak imperator).
SPOILER PONIŻEJ
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Zdanie: "Będziemy czerwiem i żoną" jest najśmieszniejszym zdaniem jakie pojawiło się w literaturze.
"Bóg Imperator Diuny" jest inny. Różni się od poprzednich tomów między innymi ilością metafor i odniesień do współczesnego świata. Nikogo nie zdziwię faktem, że swego rodzaju melanż naprawdę istnieje, a ludzie nie różnią się bardzo od tych w diunie (choć nikt nie jest tak brzydki jak imperator).
SPOILER PONIŻEJ
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Zdanie: "Będziemy czerwiem i żoną" jest najśmieszniejszym zdaniem jakie pojawiło się w literaturze.
December 23, 2024
The Dune book which asks the important question: would you still love me if I was a worm?
And not just any worm–a giant, possibly immortal space work that has now reigned humanity for 3,500 years as the titular God Emperor in Frank Herbert’s fourth installment of the Dune series, God Emperor of Dune. Leto II has wormed his way to the top and he’s going to make sure he stays there even if he has to oppress all of humanity for their own good. Part man, part worm, all power and a whole lot of speeches and existential crises, Leto’s conversations with those of his court become a narrative vessel for Herbert to dive further into the array of philosophical ideas that have driven the series. It's out with the action scenes and in with the lectures in this slow burn of a book, but it is enjoyable to see Herbert tackle big issues on power and manipulation that takes a long (emphasis on long) hard look at the notion that ‘the problem of leadership is inevitably: Who will play God?’ Well we have an omnipotent god figure already in play who finds himself beyond the morality of mortals, and he’s a worm so…would you still love him? Furthermore, should you still love him if he is your government? Herbert’s musings on personal agency in the face of fate to force meet his critiques of government here and asks us if humanity inherently perpetuates its own oppression by steering towards safety and allowing itself to be tamed by those who thirst for power. Dense, dark and with plenty of Duncan Idaho(s), God Emperor of Dune might not be the most exciting of the series but it does put the intentions of the series as a whole in a greater focus and is certainly a thought-provoking read.
‘It is difficult to live in the present, pointless to live in the future and impossible to live in the past.’
There is an epic weight of history that underpins God Emperor of Dune. Thousands of years have passed since the first novel, Paul has been long gone after some King Lear-esque violence, the planet has changed considerably and even Leto II is practically unrecognizable in his worm state. Yet, as he yearns to return to his humanity ("can they love me now that I'm a worm???") and finds ‘I feel the vanished parts of myself,’ so too does the reader feel the absence of the previous books in a way that binds them all together and instills a nostalgia in the reader. This is aided by Duncan Idaho who frequently returns us to the first novel through his presence as a chorus line of his ghoulas being killed and resurrected continuously return his consciousness to the point of his first death and draws a line for us to see just how far we’ve come in this series. And this long history is now under the control of Leto II as he manipulates all of humanity to shape a new history pressing into the future. As long as he stays out of the rain.
‘All of history is a malleable instrument in my hands. Ohhh, I have accumulated all of these pasts and I possess every fact—yet the facts are mine to use as I will and, even using them truthfully, I change them.’
This book is far more philosophical musings than plot, yet we see how the philosophy has always been the driving mechanism of the series. It plods along through speeches and conversations but, as Leto says ‘Duncan, I am a teacher. Remember that. By repetition, I impress the lesson,’ and Herbert has some lessons he wants to impart here. Sure, it can be a bit preachy, but it is always rather interesting and even though ‘the more I find out, the more I realize that I don't know what's going on,’ this might just be ‘ the way of wisdom,’ as Leto terms it. Most of these speeches are on governance, being told to us by an endless ruler over all who has some harsh thoughts about those who seek power while wielding it himself “for the good of everyone else”. Or at least thats how he sees it. It was given to him because they want him to rule them, its his destiny, he assumes.
We get a lot of hot takes on political manipulation and lines like ‘Religion suppresses curiosity,’ or “both sides are bad” angles like ‘Scratch a conservative and you find someone who prefers the past over any future. Scratch a liberal and find a closet aristocrat.’ that can often feel like you are getting talked down to by an exhausted, nearly retired history professor who wants to squash any idealism in his students and be so wise by showing how everyone else is wrong. He’s not wrong per say and if you want to chalk it up to cynicism it would be missing why it functions so well in the plot. This dude is a worm that misses humanity, he’s sad that people are caught in a cyclical history of oppression and just wants us to move forward upon the Golden Path.
‘Dangers lurk in all systems. Systems incorporate the unexamined beliefs of their creators. Adopt a system, accept its beliefs, and you help strengthen the resistance to change.’
There is a sense of alienation felt in Leto and his state of being nudges ideas on sacrifice and martyrdom and the old maxim about becoming the monster in order to fight it. But his ‘enforced tranquility’ of the populace also makes us grapple with the ethics of power and the subservience of a people to a single will, even if that will comes from a Nietzschean Übermensch who finds his status puts him ‘beyond good and evil’ when it comes to morality. These questions on morals and governance are at the heart of the series and despite the slog of a read, Herbert tears open the chest of the Dune series to show you this heart beating out each philosophical idea upon the page. Long and a bit of a chore at times, by the time I reached the final page it all felt worth it to stand back and admire the glorious scope of the series.
3.5/5
‘Although much sought after, truth can be dangerous to the seeker. Myths and reassuring lies are much easier to find and believe. If you find a truth, even a temporary one, it can demand that you make painful changes.’
And not just any worm–a giant, possibly immortal space work that has now reigned humanity for 3,500 years as the titular God Emperor in Frank Herbert’s fourth installment of the Dune series, God Emperor of Dune. Leto II has wormed his way to the top and he’s going to make sure he stays there even if he has to oppress all of humanity for their own good. Part man, part worm, all power and a whole lot of speeches and existential crises, Leto’s conversations with those of his court become a narrative vessel for Herbert to dive further into the array of philosophical ideas that have driven the series. It's out with the action scenes and in with the lectures in this slow burn of a book, but it is enjoyable to see Herbert tackle big issues on power and manipulation that takes a long (emphasis on long) hard look at the notion that ‘the problem of leadership is inevitably: Who will play God?’ Well we have an omnipotent god figure already in play who finds himself beyond the morality of mortals, and he’s a worm so…would you still love him? Furthermore, should you still love him if he is your government? Herbert’s musings on personal agency in the face of fate to force meet his critiques of government here and asks us if humanity inherently perpetuates its own oppression by steering towards safety and allowing itself to be tamed by those who thirst for power. Dense, dark and with plenty of Duncan Idaho(s), God Emperor of Dune might not be the most exciting of the series but it does put the intentions of the series as a whole in a greater focus and is certainly a thought-provoking read.
‘It is difficult to live in the present, pointless to live in the future and impossible to live in the past.’
There is an epic weight of history that underpins God Emperor of Dune. Thousands of years have passed since the first novel, Paul has been long gone after some King Lear-esque violence, the planet has changed considerably and even Leto II is practically unrecognizable in his worm state. Yet, as he yearns to return to his humanity ("can they love me now that I'm a worm???") and finds ‘I feel the vanished parts of myself,’ so too does the reader feel the absence of the previous books in a way that binds them all together and instills a nostalgia in the reader. This is aided by Duncan Idaho who frequently returns us to the first novel through his presence as a chorus line of his ghoulas being killed and resurrected continuously return his consciousness to the point of his first death and draws a line for us to see just how far we’ve come in this series. And this long history is now under the control of Leto II as he manipulates all of humanity to shape a new history pressing into the future. As long as he stays out of the rain.
‘All of history is a malleable instrument in my hands. Ohhh, I have accumulated all of these pasts and I possess every fact—yet the facts are mine to use as I will and, even using them truthfully, I change them.’
This book is far more philosophical musings than plot, yet we see how the philosophy has always been the driving mechanism of the series. It plods along through speeches and conversations but, as Leto says ‘Duncan, I am a teacher. Remember that. By repetition, I impress the lesson,’ and Herbert has some lessons he wants to impart here. Sure, it can be a bit preachy, but it is always rather interesting and even though ‘the more I find out, the more I realize that I don't know what's going on,’ this might just be ‘ the way of wisdom,’ as Leto terms it. Most of these speeches are on governance, being told to us by an endless ruler over all who has some harsh thoughts about those who seek power while wielding it himself “for the good of everyone else”. Or at least thats how he sees it. It was given to him because they want him to rule them, its his destiny, he assumes.
‘Most civilisation is based on cowardice. It's so easy to civilize by teaching cowardice. You water down the standards which would lead to bravery. You restrain the will. You regulate the appetites. You fence in the horizons. You make a law for every movement. You deny the existence of chaos. You teach even the children to breathe slowly. You tame.’
We get a lot of hot takes on political manipulation and lines like ‘Religion suppresses curiosity,’ or “both sides are bad” angles like ‘Scratch a conservative and you find someone who prefers the past over any future. Scratch a liberal and find a closet aristocrat.’ that can often feel like you are getting talked down to by an exhausted, nearly retired history professor who wants to squash any idealism in his students and be so wise by showing how everyone else is wrong. He’s not wrong per say and if you want to chalk it up to cynicism it would be missing why it functions so well in the plot. This dude is a worm that misses humanity, he’s sad that people are caught in a cyclical history of oppression and just wants us to move forward upon the Golden Path.
‘Dangers lurk in all systems. Systems incorporate the unexamined beliefs of their creators. Adopt a system, accept its beliefs, and you help strengthen the resistance to change.’
There is a sense of alienation felt in Leto and his state of being nudges ideas on sacrifice and martyrdom and the old maxim about becoming the monster in order to fight it. But his ‘enforced tranquility’ of the populace also makes us grapple with the ethics of power and the subservience of a people to a single will, even if that will comes from a Nietzschean Übermensch who finds his status puts him ‘beyond good and evil’ when it comes to morality. These questions on morals and governance are at the heart of the series and despite the slog of a read, Herbert tears open the chest of the Dune series to show you this heart beating out each philosophical idea upon the page. Long and a bit of a chore at times, by the time I reached the final page it all felt worth it to stand back and admire the glorious scope of the series.
3.5/5
‘Although much sought after, truth can be dangerous to the seeker. Myths and reassuring lies are much easier to find and believe. If you find a truth, even a temporary one, it can demand that you make painful changes.’
August 31, 2014
God Emperor of Dune
Book 4 of the Dune Chronicles
By Frank Herbert
A Dune Retrospective by Eric Allen
What do you say about the book that was so completely terrible that it so turned you off of the series that you refused to read the four books that came after it for over a decade? This book is bad in a way that few things achieve. Oh, yes, there are worse things than this book in human history, and I do not mean to cheapen the horror of those atrocities, but when it comes to complete and utter failures in fictional exploits, this is amongst the worst.
By this time in his career, Frank Herbert's Dune series had sold multiple millions of books. He was a veritable gold mine for his publisher, and so, he had the power and influence to basically get anything he wanted from them. As a result, God Emperor of Dune is pure and complete insanity. Oh, but its not just normal insanity, oho no. Its a special sort of insanity. Its the sort of insanity that happens when you give crazy way too much money, power, influence, and creative license. I like to call this kind of crazy, George Lucas Syndrome.
Allow me to explain. In 1977 George Lucas, a rookie filmmaker, under huge budget constraints, and with heavy studio influence, managed to produce one of the greatest movies of all time. Though Star Wars was well recieved by the world at large, his distributer still placed very harsh budget constraints on the following two films. These movies were a great illustration of the concept "Art from Adversity". Despite all of the people telling him no, all the limitations of special effects technology, all of the problems with budgeting and studio executives trying to change his work, he managed to produce one of the most lucrative franchises in movie history. He was viewed as a filmmaking genius by many... and then he made the prequels. He had unlimited funds, was no longer constrained by the limits of special effects technology, and most importantly, everyone on earth was utterly terrified to tell him no, because he could very easily take his goldmine of a series elsewhere and be just as happy. When you take the adversity, the thing that CLEARLY created the art to begin with, out of the picture, you are left with a man who is completely insane, making movies that are also completely insane.
What does this have to do with Dune, you ask? Plenty. You see, having sold millions of copies of his first three books in the Dune series, Frank Herbert had enough clout with his publishers that he could have taken a dump on a blank piece of paper and they would have published it, because they were utterly terrified that he would take his series elsewhere. And so, when he handed them the manuscript for God Emperor of Dune, NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE IT WAS TO HIM!!! They published it because he wrote it, it had Dune in the title, and people would buy it, read it, and claim to love it because of it.
So, this leaves the question, was Herbert balls out insane from the beginning, and simply constrained by his publishers and editors to create art for his first three books? Or did he just do a crapton of drugs between book 3 and book 4? We may never know the answer for sure.
Why is this book so bad? Well, lets find out, shall we?
I can't put enough quotation marks around the word "story" here, so I won't even try. 3500 years have passed since the events of Children of Dune. Leto Atreides II has become a giant sandworm with a human face and arms... Yeah, I'll give you a minute to wrap your mind around that. You good? Ok, moving on then. The ENTIRE plot of this book revolves around Leto talking, and talking, and talking, and talking, and talking, and talking, and talking. He talks about being a sandworm. He talks about what it means to be a sandworm. He talks about why it's important that he has become a sandworm. He talks about how being a sandworm fits into his plans. And through all that talking, HE NEVER MANAGES TO TALK ABOUT WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE PLOT OR WHY I SHOULD CARE!!! And then he dies, easily killed by his utter arrogance in believing that mere humans could never possibly rise up against him. And I get a lot of people telling me I've got it wrong on this... but try reading his last few bits of dialog after falling in the water with this in mind and tell me I don't have a point. If this was not what Herbert meant to convey with this dialog, he sure failed at what he actually meant to get across to me.
The Good? Nada. In fact, skip this book if you plan to read this series. Your life will be better for it. You miss absolutely nothing that the next book does not readily explain in a few sentences, and you don't have to wade through all the complete fail that this book embodies.
The Ugly? First of all, while Herbert's views on women were pretty apparent in his previous works, he is openly sexist in this book to a huge and offensive degree. He has some extraordinarily strange views on the roles women play in society, what they want out of life, and how their thoughts and feelings differ from those of men. He devotes a large section of the book to explaining in great detail why women are inferior to men, veiling it behind the guise of praising them as a gender. Nice try Herbert, but you FAIL to hide your complete contempt for women in general. Every woman that I know that has read this book has come away from it TERRIBLY offended. Women beware, this book basically says that you're the scum of the universe and the source of every problem that man knows. If this sort of thing offends you, and believe me, I'm a guy and it offends ME, steer clear of this book.
Not only does Herbert put forward some very offensive ideas about women, he also puts forth some very offensive views about homosexuals, soldiers, and pretty much all humanity in general. Women get the worst of it here by far, but soldiers and homosexuals come close on their heels. He seems to have great contempt for pretty much anyone that is not exactly like he is. This is an actual line from the book. I have not altered it in any way. "All soldiers are homosexuals at heart." There are so many layers of offensiveness buried in those six little words that I could write an entire essay on that alone. Needless to say, it is offensive to every party mentioned in multiple ways. It takes true talent and bigotry to imbue such a short sentence with so many layers of insult to so many different people. And let me say right here and now, so that there is no mistaking Herbert's views for my own, though I may come from a strong Christian background, I have no problem with gay people. My philosophy on life is that everyone should have the freedom to live as they see fit, and it is not my place to tell them that they are doing it wrong, regardless of my own personal feelings on the matter. I have worked with gay people all my working life and you know what I've learned about them? They're people. Just like everyone else. Doing their best to live their lives in a world that is not very accepting of them. They deserve to live their lives just like everyone else.
Every character in this book other than Leto exists for one purpose and one purpose alone. To ask questions that facilitate even more talking from him. Let me describe to you every scene in this book. Leto rants for about thirty pages on his morality and plan for humanity. Someone is confused by his complete insanity and asks him a question. He then goes on at great length explaining the answer. The other character is still confused and asks another question, which facilitates yet another long and boring rant from him. These characters have no personality. They have no motivation. They have no plans or desires of their own. They exist within the plot for one purpose and one purpose only, to give Leto an excuse to further explain Frank Herbert's insanity.
Leto is still not a sympathetic character. He has more personality here than he did in the previous book, this is true, but here he is even more loathsome because of it. I'm sorry, I do not sympathize with a grotesque mockery of humanity who goes on, and on, and on, and on about he's the only hope of said humanity, and as such has the right to severly subjugate all life in the universe under his strictures and rule. He was not a likeable character to begin with, and here, he has become a loathsome tyrant that it is impossible to sympathize with. So why should I care about a book that is, primarily, about him talking at GREAT LENGTH about his own personal philosophy? I don't. I really, REALLY don't. He's a terrible character, and as an extension of that, any story revolving around him is also terrible.
Herbert STILL does not seem to feel the need to explain what motivates Leto to do what he has done, and why I should care about it. These are basic elements of the plot of this book and the previous one that are COMPLETELY LEFT TO THE READER'S IMAGINATION. IF you want me to care about your character and the story revolving around him, you have to tell me WHAT he is doing, WHY it is important, and most importantly, WHY I SHOULD CARE!!! These are basic storytelling elements that Herbert completely FAILED to employ.
In conclusion, this book is awful. It's a special kind of awful, the sort of which you will rarely find in fiction. It's basically a thinly disguised excuse for Herbert to give his own philosophies on life. If you want to write a book of philosophy, by all means, go ahead and do so. But don't try to tell me it's the next installment of your epic science fiction series. This book gets ZERO stars, but since the rating does not show up here on Goodreads with zero, I threw one up there. It feels FAR longer than it actually is. It centers around a character that is completely and utterly loathesome, without a SINGLE redeeming characteristic, and I'm supposed to feel for this character? Yeah, sorry Herbert, but no. I don't. I really, REALLY don't. This book is terrible in a way that few books are. And worst of all, it's boring. I can forgive bad writing. I can forgive a bad story. I can forgive wooden characters. It is my opinion that one of the truly unforgivable things that a storyteller can do, is to tell a boring story. Only the most hardcore fans of the Dune series will likely be able to find any enjoyment here, to any casual readers I typicaly recomend that this book be skipped over, because it really is THAT bad.
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Book 4 of the Dune Chronicles
By Frank Herbert
A Dune Retrospective by Eric Allen
What do you say about the book that was so completely terrible that it so turned you off of the series that you refused to read the four books that came after it for over a decade? This book is bad in a way that few things achieve. Oh, yes, there are worse things than this book in human history, and I do not mean to cheapen the horror of those atrocities, but when it comes to complete and utter failures in fictional exploits, this is amongst the worst.
By this time in his career, Frank Herbert's Dune series had sold multiple millions of books. He was a veritable gold mine for his publisher, and so, he had the power and influence to basically get anything he wanted from them. As a result, God Emperor of Dune is pure and complete insanity. Oh, but its not just normal insanity, oho no. Its a special sort of insanity. Its the sort of insanity that happens when you give crazy way too much money, power, influence, and creative license. I like to call this kind of crazy, George Lucas Syndrome.
Allow me to explain. In 1977 George Lucas, a rookie filmmaker, under huge budget constraints, and with heavy studio influence, managed to produce one of the greatest movies of all time. Though Star Wars was well recieved by the world at large, his distributer still placed very harsh budget constraints on the following two films. These movies were a great illustration of the concept "Art from Adversity". Despite all of the people telling him no, all the limitations of special effects technology, all of the problems with budgeting and studio executives trying to change his work, he managed to produce one of the most lucrative franchises in movie history. He was viewed as a filmmaking genius by many... and then he made the prequels. He had unlimited funds, was no longer constrained by the limits of special effects technology, and most importantly, everyone on earth was utterly terrified to tell him no, because he could very easily take his goldmine of a series elsewhere and be just as happy. When you take the adversity, the thing that CLEARLY created the art to begin with, out of the picture, you are left with a man who is completely insane, making movies that are also completely insane.
What does this have to do with Dune, you ask? Plenty. You see, having sold millions of copies of his first three books in the Dune series, Frank Herbert had enough clout with his publishers that he could have taken a dump on a blank piece of paper and they would have published it, because they were utterly terrified that he would take his series elsewhere. And so, when he handed them the manuscript for God Emperor of Dune, NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE IT WAS TO HIM!!! They published it because he wrote it, it had Dune in the title, and people would buy it, read it, and claim to love it because of it.
So, this leaves the question, was Herbert balls out insane from the beginning, and simply constrained by his publishers and editors to create art for his first three books? Or did he just do a crapton of drugs between book 3 and book 4? We may never know the answer for sure.
Why is this book so bad? Well, lets find out, shall we?
I can't put enough quotation marks around the word "story" here, so I won't even try. 3500 years have passed since the events of Children of Dune. Leto Atreides II has become a giant sandworm with a human face and arms... Yeah, I'll give you a minute to wrap your mind around that. You good? Ok, moving on then. The ENTIRE plot of this book revolves around Leto talking, and talking, and talking, and talking, and talking, and talking, and talking. He talks about being a sandworm. He talks about what it means to be a sandworm. He talks about why it's important that he has become a sandworm. He talks about how being a sandworm fits into his plans. And through all that talking, HE NEVER MANAGES TO TALK ABOUT WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO THE PLOT OR WHY I SHOULD CARE!!! And then he dies, easily killed by his utter arrogance in believing that mere humans could never possibly rise up against him. And I get a lot of people telling me I've got it wrong on this... but try reading his last few bits of dialog after falling in the water with this in mind and tell me I don't have a point. If this was not what Herbert meant to convey with this dialog, he sure failed at what he actually meant to get across to me.
The Good? Nada. In fact, skip this book if you plan to read this series. Your life will be better for it. You miss absolutely nothing that the next book does not readily explain in a few sentences, and you don't have to wade through all the complete fail that this book embodies.
The Ugly? First of all, while Herbert's views on women were pretty apparent in his previous works, he is openly sexist in this book to a huge and offensive degree. He has some extraordinarily strange views on the roles women play in society, what they want out of life, and how their thoughts and feelings differ from those of men. He devotes a large section of the book to explaining in great detail why women are inferior to men, veiling it behind the guise of praising them as a gender. Nice try Herbert, but you FAIL to hide your complete contempt for women in general. Every woman that I know that has read this book has come away from it TERRIBLY offended. Women beware, this book basically says that you're the scum of the universe and the source of every problem that man knows. If this sort of thing offends you, and believe me, I'm a guy and it offends ME, steer clear of this book.
Not only does Herbert put forward some very offensive ideas about women, he also puts forth some very offensive views about homosexuals, soldiers, and pretty much all humanity in general. Women get the worst of it here by far, but soldiers and homosexuals come close on their heels. He seems to have great contempt for pretty much anyone that is not exactly like he is. This is an actual line from the book. I have not altered it in any way. "All soldiers are homosexuals at heart." There are so many layers of offensiveness buried in those six little words that I could write an entire essay on that alone. Needless to say, it is offensive to every party mentioned in multiple ways. It takes true talent and bigotry to imbue such a short sentence with so many layers of insult to so many different people. And let me say right here and now, so that there is no mistaking Herbert's views for my own, though I may come from a strong Christian background, I have no problem with gay people. My philosophy on life is that everyone should have the freedom to live as they see fit, and it is not my place to tell them that they are doing it wrong, regardless of my own personal feelings on the matter. I have worked with gay people all my working life and you know what I've learned about them? They're people. Just like everyone else. Doing their best to live their lives in a world that is not very accepting of them. They deserve to live their lives just like everyone else.
Every character in this book other than Leto exists for one purpose and one purpose alone. To ask questions that facilitate even more talking from him. Let me describe to you every scene in this book. Leto rants for about thirty pages on his morality and plan for humanity. Someone is confused by his complete insanity and asks him a question. He then goes on at great length explaining the answer. The other character is still confused and asks another question, which facilitates yet another long and boring rant from him. These characters have no personality. They have no motivation. They have no plans or desires of their own. They exist within the plot for one purpose and one purpose only, to give Leto an excuse to further explain Frank Herbert's insanity.
Leto is still not a sympathetic character. He has more personality here than he did in the previous book, this is true, but here he is even more loathsome because of it. I'm sorry, I do not sympathize with a grotesque mockery of humanity who goes on, and on, and on, and on about he's the only hope of said humanity, and as such has the right to severly subjugate all life in the universe under his strictures and rule. He was not a likeable character to begin with, and here, he has become a loathsome tyrant that it is impossible to sympathize with. So why should I care about a book that is, primarily, about him talking at GREAT LENGTH about his own personal philosophy? I don't. I really, REALLY don't. He's a terrible character, and as an extension of that, any story revolving around him is also terrible.
Herbert STILL does not seem to feel the need to explain what motivates Leto to do what he has done, and why I should care about it. These are basic elements of the plot of this book and the previous one that are COMPLETELY LEFT TO THE READER'S IMAGINATION. IF you want me to care about your character and the story revolving around him, you have to tell me WHAT he is doing, WHY it is important, and most importantly, WHY I SHOULD CARE!!! These are basic storytelling elements that Herbert completely FAILED to employ.
In conclusion, this book is awful. It's a special kind of awful, the sort of which you will rarely find in fiction. It's basically a thinly disguised excuse for Herbert to give his own philosophies on life. If you want to write a book of philosophy, by all means, go ahead and do so. But don't try to tell me it's the next installment of your epic science fiction series. This book gets ZERO stars, but since the rating does not show up here on Goodreads with zero, I threw one up there. It feels FAR longer than it actually is. It centers around a character that is completely and utterly loathesome, without a SINGLE redeeming characteristic, and I'm supposed to feel for this character? Yeah, sorry Herbert, but no. I don't. I really, REALLY don't. This book is terrible in a way that few books are. And worst of all, it's boring. I can forgive bad writing. I can forgive a bad story. I can forgive wooden characters. It is my opinion that one of the truly unforgivable things that a storyteller can do, is to tell a boring story. Only the most hardcore fans of the Dune series will likely be able to find any enjoyment here, to any casual readers I typicaly recomend that this book be skipped over, because it really is THAT bad.
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November 22, 2012
Okay, this was my second read of God Emperor of Dune. Honestly, it was quite an useful read because now I understand more precisely what was Leto's goal and the exact purpose of his Golden Path. To make a long story short the Golden Path is nothing more than the survival of the human race. At the end of the old empire (period described in the previous books) the human race has become doomed beyond hope with a corrupt and decadent feudal ruling system, stagnant and with an major addiction to substance ( the spice) that influenced almost all aspects of life (transportation, science, technological advancement, religion, food, etc) across the universe. The Bene Gesserit has foreseen humanity's disaster and they hoped to avoid it with the Kwisatz Haderach, the prescient messiah who will save us all. As we know, they lost control of it and Paul Muad'dib became Emperor on his own. Paul with his ability to see the future also saw the end of humanity and acted on it and he tried to save it with his Jihad. But wiping all resistance to his rule was not enough and something more drastic was needed. Because of Paul's love for his wife and because he still had his thirst for his humanity Paul couldn't make the ultimate sacrifice. Instead his son, Leto did it. Leto transformed himself in to a half man-half sandworm creature that permitted him to guide humanity on the Golden Path journey. The Golden Path acted on several different aspects. First, he needed to free the humanity from the spice addiction, thus during a long period of time he wiped out the sandworms, which wore the only source of spice and could live only in one place: Dune. Upon his foreseen death, Leto would breed a new kind of sandworms, with conscience and more intelligent and also with the ability to live on other planets besides Dune. Second, Leto also begun oppressing humanity like no ruler, (thos the Tyrant nickname) before him. This had also several reasons behind it: he slowly started reducing the spice addiction of humanity, by the end Leto's rule people wore almost free of it and the spice influenced only a few essential aspects of life (ex: space travel) . Also oppressing the people for long enough, he created a longing to be free of him, a desire for freedom (which is basically, the Scattering, in the following books). In particular, by oppressing the ixians and tleilaxu and not destroying them entirely, forced these two factions to be more inventive, creative and eventually it will lead them to discover space travel without the need of spice and the invention of artificial spice. Third, Leto had to be sure that in the future no other will ever posses the power he had possessed and that no person, no matter how prescient, would ever be able to track down all humanity and control like he did. So, he took from the Bene Gesserit their prized breeding plan and with Siona he managed to make a new kind of Atreides, free of the prescience vision. Fourth, with his all-female army, the Fish Speakers, Leto ensured that after he was gone, these women (with their training, discipline and life philosophy) will guaranty humanity's survival and guide them along the right path.
God Emperor of Dune might not by so actioned packed like the previous or the following books in the Dune Saga but it is most certainly the center one and the most important one of all.
God Emperor of Dune might not by so actioned packed like the previous or the following books in the Dune Saga but it is most certainly the center one and the most important one of all.
February 6, 2008
It's not until the end of this book that you begin to understand Herbert's grand plan for his series. DUNE is really about shaking man out of an evolutionary cul-de-sac, showing a frustrated civil(?) society that despite its technological and social superiority is stagnating. The inventions of the Bene Gesseritt, the Guild, the Mentats, all of these are bulwarks against the decline of man that are failing. And the only one to understand this is Leto II, God Emperor of the Known Universe. In his transformed state, he rules a bizarrely changed Dune, and through more political intrigue and the continued centuries-long resurrection of Duncan Idaho clones, we learn that Leto has seen this decline of man coming and his twisted machinations are an attempt to prepare the human race to evolve beyond this end. Fucking BRILLIANT stuff here, even if it's not fully borne out until the next novel. But wow. They don't make 'em like they used to.
July 23, 2021
[SPOILER ALERT: if you never read Children of Dune STOP NOW!]
Leto II is now the God Emperor after merging with the sandtrout and becoming a monstrous worm-man powered by melange. He rules the known universe with an iron fist - not unlike his Aunt Alya did actually - but this is of course because he is SAVING the human race from itself. He has an army of woman, the Fish Speakers, that carry out his bidding spreading terror and, still, peace across his vast domain. He has reigned for 3000+ years and sees the end nearing.
There is a lot of philosophy here and it is interesting. perhaps it gets a little slow. I know several people that get fed up with the Tleilaxu ghola of Duncan Idaho's appearance (and, yes, he is back in Heretics of Dune as well). But overall, it was a good read.
One thing I still don't understand - and perhaps someone more versant in the Dune universe will enlighten me - is what was the threat to humanity that the Golden Path was initiated to alleviate? Was it just infighting that he thought would exterminate the human race? If so, just enforcing a brutal 3500 year peace was just postponing the inevitable? Perhaps this will be revealed in Heretics or Chapterhouse.
Another puzzling thing was the tolerance of Ix. Apparently, in the distant past before Dune, the Butlerian Jihad was raged against "thinking" machines which resulted in a world with human computers (Mentats and Guild Navigators) and a formal universal proscription of computers. However, Leto II apparently allows Ix to wind up production again as he purchases machines for transcribing his thoughts among other things. I found it a bit frustrating not to understand more how the Ixians themselves.
I really love this series although I probably will not read the apocryphal 7 and 8 written after Frank died.
[UPDATE] I am looking forward to Denis Villeneuve's Dune in October 2021. The previews I have seen so far seem to be quite coherent with respect to the book. I was a fan of Lynch's Dune and am curious to see what Villeneuve does with this one. Feel free to comment below.
Fino's Dune Reviews
Dune
Dune Messiah
Children of Dune
God Emperor of Dune
Heretics of Dune
Chapterhouse: Dune
Leto II is now the God Emperor after merging with the sandtrout and becoming a monstrous worm-man powered by melange. He rules the known universe with an iron fist - not unlike his Aunt Alya did actually - but this is of course because he is SAVING the human race from itself. He has an army of woman, the Fish Speakers, that carry out his bidding spreading terror and, still, peace across his vast domain. He has reigned for 3000+ years and sees the end nearing.
There is a lot of philosophy here and it is interesting. perhaps it gets a little slow. I know several people that get fed up with the Tleilaxu ghola of Duncan Idaho's appearance (and, yes, he is back in Heretics of Dune as well). But overall, it was a good read.
One thing I still don't understand - and perhaps someone more versant in the Dune universe will enlighten me - is what was the threat to humanity that the Golden Path was initiated to alleviate? Was it just infighting that he thought would exterminate the human race? If so, just enforcing a brutal 3500 year peace was just postponing the inevitable? Perhaps this will be revealed in Heretics or Chapterhouse.
Another puzzling thing was the tolerance of Ix. Apparently, in the distant past before Dune, the Butlerian Jihad was raged against "thinking" machines which resulted in a world with human computers (Mentats and Guild Navigators) and a formal universal proscription of computers. However, Leto II apparently allows Ix to wind up production again as he purchases machines for transcribing his thoughts among other things. I found it a bit frustrating not to understand more how the Ixians themselves.
I really love this series although I probably will not read the apocryphal 7 and 8 written after Frank died.
[UPDATE] I am looking forward to Denis Villeneuve's Dune in October 2021. The previews I have seen so far seem to be quite coherent with respect to the book. I was a fan of Lynch's Dune and am curious to see what Villeneuve does with this one. Feel free to comment below.
Fino's Dune Reviews
Dune
Dune Messiah
Children of Dune
God Emperor of Dune
Heretics of Dune
Chapterhouse: Dune
July 25, 2008
Please, make it stop.
July 12, 2020
God Emperor of Dune (Dune #4), Frank Herbert
God Emperor of Dune is a science fiction novel by Frank Herbert published in 1981, the fourth in his Dune series of six novels.
Leto II Atreides, the God Emperor, has ruled the universe as a tyrant for 3,500 years after becoming a hybrid of human and giant sandworm in Children of Dune.
The death of all other sand-worms, and his control of the remaining supply of the all-important drug melange, has allowed him to keep civilization under his complete command.
Leto has been physically transformed into a worm, retaining only his human face and arms, and though he is now seemingly immortal and invulnerable to harm, he is prone to instinct-driven bouts of violence when provoked to anger.
As a result, his rule is one of religious awe and despotic fear. Leto has disbanded the Landsraad to all but a few Great Houses; the remaining powers defer to his authority, although they individually conspire against him in secret.
The Fremen have long since lost their identity and military power, and have been replaced as the Imperial army by the Fish Speakers, an all-female army who obey Leto without question. He has rendered the human population into a state of trans-galactic stagnation; space travel is non-existent to most people in his Empire, which he has deliberately kept to a near-medieval level of technological sophistication. All of this he has done in accordance with a prophecy divined through precognition that will establish an enforced peace preventing humanity from destroying itself through aggressive behavior. ...
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عنوان: خداوندگار تلماسه: کتاب چهارم از سری تلماسه؛ نویسنده: فرانک هربرت؛
داستان تلماسه در آینده ای دور میگذرد و در جامعه ای ملوک الطوایفی که با الهام از جوامع اعراب بدوی ساخته شده است؛ سه عامل اثرگذار در این جامعه ی فراسیاره ای، عبارتند از: «پادشاه امپراتور (صدام چهارم)»، و «خاندانهای حکومتی»، «اتحادیهٔ فضایی (صاحب انحصار حمل و نقل فضایی)» و گروه «بنی جزریت».؛ پس از جهاد بزرگ «باتلری»، ساخت و ایجاد دستگاههای خودکار، و رایانه ها تابو شده، بنابراین جوامع انسانی مجبور به افزایش تواناییهای جسمی، و ذهنی انسانها، با استفاده از پرورش نژاد، و نیروهای مرموز، ماده ای به نام «اسپایس ملانژ» یا ادویه شده اند؛ «ملانژ» ماده ای است، که قادر است نیروهای ذهنی آدمی را، تا حد بسیار زیادی افزایش دهد، حتی در مواردی میتواند باعث ایجاد پیش آگاهی از رویدادهای آینده، و طی الارض شود؛ «ملانژ» تنها در سیارهٔ بیابانی، و بسیار خشک «آراکیس (اقتباس از نام عراق)» یافت میشود؛ خشکی «آراکیس» به حدی است که مردم آن (فرمنها = مردان آزاد)، برای از دست نرفتن رطوبت بدن، مجبورند از جامه های مخصوصی استفاده کنند، و آب در آنجا ارزشمندترین چیز است؛ «ملانژ» را ماسه کرمهای «آراکیس» میسازند، و استخراج کنندگان ادویه، علاوه بر جنگ دایمی با آب و هوای وحشتناک این سیاره، مجبورند گاه و بیگاه با آنها هم سر و کله بزنند
ماسه کرمهایی که قطر آنها گاهی به بیست متر هم میرسد؛ «آب حیات» نیز از همین موجودات استخراج میشود؛ ماجرای اصلی رمان، نبرد بین سه خاندان بزرگ: «آتریید»، «هارکونن» و «کورینو (خاندان صاحب مقام امپراتوری)» بر سر تصاحب این سیاره، و زندگینامهٔ قهرمان افسانه ای فرمنها «پل مودیب» است؛ خاندان امپراتوری، تسلط خود را با کمک نیروی نظامی هولناکی به نام «ساردوکار» بر عالم مسکون حفظ میکند؛ «ساردوکار»ها از کودکی آموزش میبینند که بیرحم باشند و در نبرد از هیچ عملی فروگذار نکنند
گروه «بنی جزریت» هم از سوی دیگر، برنامه ای دیگر برای خود تدارک دارند؛ آنها نسلهاست که اذهان مردم را با اعتقاداتی مذهبی اسیر کرده اند، و برنامه ای دقیق و حساب شده برای کنترل نژادی نسل انسانها دارند؛ هدف آنها تولد «کویساتزهادراچ» است، تا بر عالم حکومت کند؛ «آتریید»ها جزو محبوبترین خاندانهای حکومتی هستند؛ «پادشاه امپراتور صدام چهارم» که از قدرت «آترییدها» هراسان شده، و به خاطر ترس از اعضای درباری «لندزراد» نمیتواند خود مستقیماً علیه آنها وارد عمل شود، کنترل منابع «ملانژ» در «آراکیس» را، از «بارون ولادیمیر هارکونن (بزرگ خاندان هارکونن و دشمن قدیمی دوک آتریید)» میگیرد، و به «آترییدها» میسپارد؛ «دوک لتو آتریید»، سرور خاندان «آتریید»، «آراکیس» را با وجود آب و هوای خشک و سختش، سرزمین خوبی میبیند، زیرا امید دارد ارتشی از «فرمن»ها، که زندگی در «آراکیس»، آنها را سخت و خشن و شکست ناپذیر کرده، بسازد، تا با گارد ترسناک پادشاه امپراتور، «سارژوکار»، برابری کنند؛ از سوی دیگر پسر «دوک آتریید»، «پاول»، و وارث «بارون هارکونن، فیض-روتا»، هر دو از پروردگان برنامهٔ «بنی جزریت» هستند؛ تنها با این اشکال که طبق برنامهٔ «بنجزریت»، «پاول» باید دختر به دنیا میآمد، تا از «فید-روتا هارکونن»، «کوییساتزهادراچ» را به دنیا بیاورد؛ اما سرپیچی مادر «پاول»، «لیدی جسیکا»، این برنامه را برهم زده است.؛
تاریخ بهنگام رسانی 22/04/1399هجری خورشیدی؛ ا. شربیانی
God Emperor of Dune is a science fiction novel by Frank Herbert published in 1981, the fourth in his Dune series of six novels.
Leto II Atreides, the God Emperor, has ruled the universe as a tyrant for 3,500 years after becoming a hybrid of human and giant sandworm in Children of Dune.
The death of all other sand-worms, and his control of the remaining supply of the all-important drug melange, has allowed him to keep civilization under his complete command.
Leto has been physically transformed into a worm, retaining only his human face and arms, and though he is now seemingly immortal and invulnerable to harm, he is prone to instinct-driven bouts of violence when provoked to anger.
As a result, his rule is one of religious awe and despotic fear. Leto has disbanded the Landsraad to all but a few Great Houses; the remaining powers defer to his authority, although they individually conspire against him in secret.
The Fremen have long since lost their identity and military power, and have been replaced as the Imperial army by the Fish Speakers, an all-female army who obey Leto without question. He has rendered the human population into a state of trans-galactic stagnation; space travel is non-existent to most people in his Empire, which he has deliberately kept to a near-medieval level of technological sophistication. All of this he has done in accordance with a prophecy divined through precognition that will establish an enforced peace preventing humanity from destroying itself through aggressive behavior. ...
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عنوان: خداوندگار تلماسه: کتاب چهارم از سری تلماسه؛ نویسنده: فرانک هربرت؛
داستان تلماسه در آینده ای دور میگذرد و در جامعه ای ملوک الطوایفی که با الهام از جوامع اعراب بدوی ساخته شده است؛ سه عامل اثرگذار در این جامعه ی فراسیاره ای، عبارتند از: «پادشاه امپراتور (صدام چهارم)»، و «خاندانهای حکومتی»، «اتحادیهٔ فضایی (صاحب انحصار حمل و نقل فضایی)» و گروه «بنی جزریت».؛ پس از جهاد بزرگ «باتلری»، ساخت و ایجاد دستگاههای خودکار، و رایانه ها تابو شده، بنابراین جوامع انسانی مجبور به افزایش تواناییهای جسمی، و ذهنی انسانها، با استفاده از پرورش نژاد، و نیروهای مرموز، ماده ای به نام «اسپایس ملانژ» یا ادویه شده اند؛ «ملانژ» ماده ای است، که قادر است نیروهای ذهنی آدمی را، تا حد بسیار زیادی افزایش دهد، حتی در مواردی میتواند باعث ایجاد پیش آگاهی از رویدادهای آینده، و طی الارض شود؛ «ملانژ» تنها در سیارهٔ بیابانی، و بسیار خشک «آراکیس (اقتباس از نام عراق)» یافت میشود؛ خشکی «آراکیس» به حدی است که مردم آن (فرمنها = مردان آزاد)، برای از دست نرفتن رطوبت بدن، مجبورند از جامه های مخصوصی استفاده کنند، و آب در آنجا ارزشمندترین چیز است؛ «ملانژ» را ماسه کرمهای «آراکیس» میسازند، و استخراج کنندگان ادویه، علاوه بر جنگ دایمی با آب و هوای وحشتناک این سیاره، مجبورند گاه و بیگاه با آنها هم سر و کله بزنند
ماسه کرمهایی که قطر آنها گاهی به بیست متر هم میرسد؛ «آب حیات» نیز از همین موجودات استخراج میشود؛ ماجرای اصلی رمان، نبرد بین سه خاندان بزرگ: «آتریید»، «هارکونن» و «کورینو (خاندان صاحب مقام امپراتوری)» بر سر تصاحب این سیاره، و زندگینامهٔ قهرمان افسانه ای فرمنها «پل مودیب» است؛ خاندان امپراتوری، تسلط خود را با کمک نیروی نظامی هولناکی به نام «ساردوکار» بر عالم مسکون حفظ میکند؛ «ساردوکار»ها از کودکی آموزش میبینند که بیرحم باشند و در نبرد از هیچ عملی فروگذار نکنند
گروه «بنی جزریت» هم از سوی دیگر، برنامه ای دیگر برای خود تدارک دارند؛ آنها نسلهاست که اذهان مردم را با اعتقاداتی مذهبی اسیر کرده اند، و برنامه ای دقیق و حساب شده برای کنترل نژادی نسل انسانها دارند؛ هدف آنها تولد «کویساتزهادراچ» است، تا بر عالم حکومت کند؛ «آتریید»ها جزو محبوبترین خاندانهای حکومتی هستند؛ «پادشاه امپراتور صدام چهارم» که از قدرت «آترییدها» هراسان شده، و به خاطر ترس از اعضای درباری «لندزراد» نمیتواند خود مستقیماً علیه آنها وارد عمل شود، کنترل منابع «ملانژ» در «آراکیس» را، از «بارون ولادیمیر هارکونن (بزرگ خاندان هارکونن و دشمن قدیمی دوک آتریید)» میگیرد، و به «آترییدها» میسپارد؛ «دوک لتو آتریید»، سرور خاندان «آتریید»، «آراکیس» را با وجود آب و هوای خشک و سختش، سرزمین خوبی میبیند، زیرا امید دارد ارتشی از «فرمن»ها، که زندگی در «آراکیس»، آنها را سخت و خشن و شکست ناپذیر کرده، بسازد، تا با گارد ترسناک پادشاه امپراتور، «سارژوکار»، برابری کنند؛ از سوی دیگر پسر «دوک آتریید»، «پاول»، و وارث «بارون هارکونن، فیض-روتا»، هر دو از پروردگان برنامهٔ «بنی جزریت» هستند؛ تنها با این اشکال که طبق برنامهٔ «بنجزریت»، «پاول» باید دختر به دنیا میآمد، تا از «فید-روتا هارکونن»، «کوییساتزهادراچ» را به دنیا بیاورد؛ اما سرپیچی مادر «پاول»، «لیدی جسیکا»، این برنامه را برهم زده است.؛
تاریخ بهنگام رسانی 22/04/1399هجری خورشیدی؛ ا. شربیانی
April 5, 2024
So much to take in so will add more to this review once my brain has settled 😊
Stunning writing as with the previous 3 books. I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed Dune or Children of Dune but they were both 5 stars.
Now to decide whether to read the final 2 as I've heard mainly negative reviews
Maybe bumped up to 4.5. I can't decide
Stunning writing as with the previous 3 books. I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed Dune or Children of Dune but they were both 5 stars.
Now to decide whether to read the final 2 as I've heard mainly negative reviews
Maybe bumped up to 4.5. I can't decide
April 2, 2009
Useful background book to read if you've ever thought you might like to rule the Universe. It's a really terrible job.
February 8, 2022
It always astonished him how a desert provoked thoughts of religion.
Frank Herbert gives the impression of being an iconoclastic, if somewhat dour, thinker and general navel-gazer. But there is a mischievous side to his intellect as well, as evinced by the running joke in ‘God Emperor of Dune’ about Leto II’s scandalous sexual proclivities, a rumour spread by the dastardly Tleilaxu. Does the man-worm have any form of genitalia? At one point, Leto II wonders if he should sport a strap-on just to shock (let alone titillate) his court. However, he decides against it for decorum’s sake.
Thus continues my first reread of the entire ‘Dune’ sequence since my teens, inspired by Denis Villeneuve’s recent ‘Part I’ interpretation of half of the original book. Indeed, one wonders what Villeneuve would make of Leto II, especially given that his interpretation of Baron Harkonnen is probably the weakest element of a generally faithful (if overly reverential) movie adaptation. The reference to the Baron is apt, as there are several comparisons between the two monsters in ‘God Emperor’, and musings as to who has the grossest form. Leto II probably wins this contest hands down (actually, it is flippers.)
‘Children of Dune’ was a hot mess, with way too much expository mumbo-jumbo and clumsy writing that saw pivotal scenes like the sandtrout attaching to Leto’s body failing to make any impact. It is ironic that ‘God Emperor’ starts as ‘Children’ does, with desperately fleeing people hunted by modified wolves – in this instance, it is Siona and her rebel friends who have made off with the man-worm’s journals. (These so-called ‘Stolen Journals’ are the source of all the chapter epigraphs, adding a level of first-person commentary to the narrative rather than being completely extraneous to it.)
Siona lives to fight another day. She features in one of the most magnificent setpieces in the book, when Leto II decides to ‘test’ her by taking her out into the Sareer, the last vestige of the great desert that once covered Arrakis. Herbert’s nature writing, and in particular his passion for the ecology of Dune, shines through again in ‘God Emperor’ in this extended sequence, where you can almost taste the sand and feel its heat. Much of the planet has changed as well, including ironies such as the Idaho River and the Museum Fremen.
Despite its length, ‘God Emperor’ curiously feels tighter than ‘Children’. This seems counterintuitive, especially as it is largely focused on the single character of Leto II. But the writing is certainly more cohesive. And the plot is tightly wound around three key action scenes, the last of which concludes Book #4 in a genuinely nailbiting fashion.
What struck me rereading this is how much of a love story it is, interwoven with a lover’s triangle. The tragic aspect comes from the repeated failing of the Duncan gholas, with the latest iteration falling head over heels for Hwi Noree, Leto II’s own intended bride. Yup, it is Beauty and the Beast on Arrakis. With penis jokes.
Hwi is also the Ixian ambassador. She has been especially bred by those meddlesome tinkerers to be most emblematic of Leto II’s greatest loss: his humanity. The man-worm generally cocks a snook at the proscriptions of the Butlerian Jihad, with everything from the royal suspensor cart to the royal elevators being dependent on Ixian technology.
You just know that this is likely to bite him in the ass, or whatever his equivalent of an ass is, when it is revealed that the Ixians are plotting a widget to replace a Guild Navigator and simultaneously nullify the spice. Which in this book is bright blue, as opposed to the traditional orange and familiar cinnamon smell attributed to it previously. I suppose it kind of makes sense in that melange-heads have blue-in-blue eyes. But I genuinely got the feeling here that Herbert thought: Fuck it, it is my sandbox. I will make the spice blue if I want to.
There is a lot of pontificating in ‘God Emperor’ about social engineering, such as the failed breeding experiments of the Bene Gesserit. Exactly why Siona is invisible to Leto’s godlike prescience, and how this is linked to her is never spelt out. Surprisingly, the Golden Path itself barely gets a couple of mentions.
Probably the most controversial aspect of ‘God Emperor’, apart from Leto II’s priapic powers, of course, are the weirdly lesbian-cum-Amazonian Fish Speakers. The man-worm gives a half-assed explanation as to how a female army is more fanatical as it gets rid of homosexuality in its ranks, which drains men’s energy and dilutes their focus on the job at hand of rape and pillage. And if you are thinking what is to stop the Fish Speakers indulging in same-sex proclivities themselves, Herbert has all perversions covered: The latest Duncan is much offended when he stumbles across a pair wrapped up in a passionate kiss. Tsk.
There is a truly bizarre scene towards the end where, watching the latest Duncan free-climb a nearly 1 km high bridge rampart, results in Nayla spontaneously orgasming just as he reaches the top. Go figure. However, I hasten to add that not nearly enough attention has been paid to Herbert’s critique of gender and power relations in the ‘Dune’ sequence, and specifically in ‘God Emperor’.
It’s not easy to make a character as bizarre as Leto II appear both human and alien. The fact that Herbert makes the reader empathise with the man-worm’s fate as his transformation into Shai-Hulud continues apace is testament to the peculiar magnetism of this strange book, probably one of the strangest in the entire Dune sequence, and certainly one of the most baroque SF novels ever written.
Frank Herbert gives the impression of being an iconoclastic, if somewhat dour, thinker and general navel-gazer. But there is a mischievous side to his intellect as well, as evinced by the running joke in ‘God Emperor of Dune’ about Leto II’s scandalous sexual proclivities, a rumour spread by the dastardly Tleilaxu. Does the man-worm have any form of genitalia? At one point, Leto II wonders if he should sport a strap-on just to shock (let alone titillate) his court. However, he decides against it for decorum’s sake.
Thus continues my first reread of the entire ‘Dune’ sequence since my teens, inspired by Denis Villeneuve’s recent ‘Part I’ interpretation of half of the original book. Indeed, one wonders what Villeneuve would make of Leto II, especially given that his interpretation of Baron Harkonnen is probably the weakest element of a generally faithful (if overly reverential) movie adaptation. The reference to the Baron is apt, as there are several comparisons between the two monsters in ‘God Emperor’, and musings as to who has the grossest form. Leto II probably wins this contest hands down (actually, it is flippers.)
‘Children of Dune’ was a hot mess, with way too much expository mumbo-jumbo and clumsy writing that saw pivotal scenes like the sandtrout attaching to Leto’s body failing to make any impact. It is ironic that ‘God Emperor’ starts as ‘Children’ does, with desperately fleeing people hunted by modified wolves – in this instance, it is Siona and her rebel friends who have made off with the man-worm’s journals. (These so-called ‘Stolen Journals’ are the source of all the chapter epigraphs, adding a level of first-person commentary to the narrative rather than being completely extraneous to it.)
Siona lives to fight another day. She features in one of the most magnificent setpieces in the book, when Leto II decides to ‘test’ her by taking her out into the Sareer, the last vestige of the great desert that once covered Arrakis. Herbert’s nature writing, and in particular his passion for the ecology of Dune, shines through again in ‘God Emperor’ in this extended sequence, where you can almost taste the sand and feel its heat. Much of the planet has changed as well, including ironies such as the Idaho River and the Museum Fremen.
Despite its length, ‘God Emperor’ curiously feels tighter than ‘Children’. This seems counterintuitive, especially as it is largely focused on the single character of Leto II. But the writing is certainly more cohesive. And the plot is tightly wound around three key action scenes, the last of which concludes Book #4 in a genuinely nailbiting fashion.
What struck me rereading this is how much of a love story it is, interwoven with a lover’s triangle. The tragic aspect comes from the repeated failing of the Duncan gholas, with the latest iteration falling head over heels for Hwi Noree, Leto II’s own intended bride. Yup, it is Beauty and the Beast on Arrakis. With penis jokes.
Hwi is also the Ixian ambassador. She has been especially bred by those meddlesome tinkerers to be most emblematic of Leto II’s greatest loss: his humanity. The man-worm generally cocks a snook at the proscriptions of the Butlerian Jihad, with everything from the royal suspensor cart to the royal elevators being dependent on Ixian technology.
You just know that this is likely to bite him in the ass, or whatever his equivalent of an ass is, when it is revealed that the Ixians are plotting a widget to replace a Guild Navigator and simultaneously nullify the spice. Which in this book is bright blue, as opposed to the traditional orange and familiar cinnamon smell attributed to it previously. I suppose it kind of makes sense in that melange-heads have blue-in-blue eyes. But I genuinely got the feeling here that Herbert thought: Fuck it, it is my sandbox. I will make the spice blue if I want to.
There is a lot of pontificating in ‘God Emperor’ about social engineering, such as the failed breeding experiments of the Bene Gesserit. Exactly why Siona is invisible to Leto’s godlike prescience, and how this is linked to her is never spelt out. Surprisingly, the Golden Path itself barely gets a couple of mentions.
Probably the most controversial aspect of ‘God Emperor’, apart from Leto II’s priapic powers, of course, are the weirdly lesbian-cum-Amazonian Fish Speakers. The man-worm gives a half-assed explanation as to how a female army is more fanatical as it gets rid of homosexuality in its ranks, which drains men’s energy and dilutes their focus on the job at hand of rape and pillage. And if you are thinking what is to stop the Fish Speakers indulging in same-sex proclivities themselves, Herbert has all perversions covered: The latest Duncan is much offended when he stumbles across a pair wrapped up in a passionate kiss. Tsk.
There is a truly bizarre scene towards the end where, watching the latest Duncan free-climb a nearly 1 km high bridge rampart, results in Nayla spontaneously orgasming just as he reaches the top. Go figure. However, I hasten to add that not nearly enough attention has been paid to Herbert’s critique of gender and power relations in the ‘Dune’ sequence, and specifically in ‘God Emperor’.
It’s not easy to make a character as bizarre as Leto II appear both human and alien. The fact that Herbert makes the reader empathise with the man-worm’s fate as his transformation into Shai-Hulud continues apace is testament to the peculiar magnetism of this strange book, probably one of the strangest in the entire Dune sequence, and certainly one of the most baroque SF novels ever written.
September 30, 2023
For a book with such a great title, I sure am less than whelmed with God Emperor of Dune. I’m certain Leto Atreides II, God Emperor of the known universe for thousands years, would chide me for my inability to fully understand the truths that he pontificates on…
So just call me “stoopit!”
That's what most of this book is: Leto pontificating and berating people for being too "stoopit" to understand his prescient brilliance.
This is a book I can’t possibly review properly. I’ll need to re-read it once or twice more to really get it. Too bad the SciFi/SyFy channel didn’t produce one of their wonderfully cheesy and camptastic miniseries for this book, as they did for “Dune” and “Children of Dune.”
Alas, we’ll never get to see what their vision of a cheaply-made CGI giant worm/demi-god who speaks English with a heavy, non-specific European accent would have looked like.
Things I learned from this book:
1) An all-female army is superior to an all-male army because there’s no infighting or hierarchical structures among women.
(My childhood as the oldest of five kids—the first four females—attests otherwise. I recall a lot of hair-pulling and nail-scratching during my early years among us girls. But the God-Emperor sayeth, so it must be.)
2) It’s easy for a beautiful, female human being to fall in love with a neutered giant human/worm hybrid—who, quite frankly, is a bit of an asshole—so long as you were bioengineered just for that purpose.
3) A woman can come to the most intense orgasm of her life simply by watching a virile male climb up and down a mountain using nothing but his bare hands.
4) To prevent evil despotism that crushes human vivacity and freedom from ruling for millennia, one must become an evil despot who crushes human vivacity and freedom, and rules for millennia.
3 weird stars
So just call me “stoopit!”
That's what most of this book is: Leto pontificating and berating people for being too "stoopit" to understand his prescient brilliance.
This is a book I can’t possibly review properly. I’ll need to re-read it once or twice more to really get it. Too bad the SciFi/SyFy channel didn’t produce one of their wonderfully cheesy and camptastic miniseries for this book, as they did for “Dune” and “Children of Dune.”
Alas, we’ll never get to see what their vision of a cheaply-made CGI giant worm/demi-god who speaks English with a heavy, non-specific European accent would have looked like.
Things I learned from this book:
1) An all-female army is superior to an all-male army because there’s no infighting or hierarchical structures among women.
(My childhood as the oldest of five kids—the first four females—attests otherwise. I recall a lot of hair-pulling and nail-scratching during my early years among us girls. But the God-Emperor sayeth, so it must be.)
2) It’s easy for a beautiful, female human being to fall in love with a neutered giant human/worm hybrid—who, quite frankly, is a bit of an asshole—so long as you were bioengineered just for that purpose.
3) A woman can come to the most intense orgasm of her life simply by watching a virile male climb up and down a mountain using nothing but his bare hands.
4) To prevent evil despotism that crushes human vivacity and freedom from ruling for millennia, one must become an evil despot who crushes human vivacity and freedom, and rules for millennia.
3 weird stars
May 30, 2024
“Quasi tutta la civiltà è basata sulla vigliaccheria. È così facile civilizzare insegnando la vigliaccheria. Si annacquano i criteri che porterebbero al coraggio. Si mette un freno alla volontà. Si regolano gli appetiti. Si delimitano gli orizzonti. Si fa una legge per ogni movimento. Si nega l'esistenza del caos. S'insegna perfino ai bambini a respirare lentamente. Si addomestica tutto."
― Frank Herbert, Imperatore Dio di Dune
Quarto romanzo del ciclo di Dune di Frank Herbert, a mio giudizio il più ermetico ma anche il più affascinante. Mi piace ricordare sempre che Dune non è solo il primo romanzo, e senza aver letto i successivi si perde il suo vero scopo.
Sicuramente è un romanzo il cui messaggio non è immediato e merita più letture per apprezzarlo appieno e poter decifrare tutte le scelte compiute dai personaggi nell'ottica della saga intera.
I primi tre libri possono considerarsi il preambolo per arrivare a questo. I successivi ne contestualizzano le scelte.
La figura dell'Imperatore-Dio è poesia e speranza, un concentrato di filosofia e sociologia, l'unico essere capace di avere una visione d'insieme della razza umana e guidarla nel suo futuro incerto pur se ad un costo altissimo.
Leto ha accettato il Sentiero Dorato e ne subisce le drammatiche conseguenze. Figura tragica e unica, completamente da capire.
Il messaggio del ciclo di Dune è sottinteso nelle sue parole. Tappa fondamentale per capire il vero significato dell'opera.
Romanzo che meraviglia ancora e ancora ad ogni lettura successiva e riesce ad incantare con i sui dialoghi.
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“Almost all civilization is based on cowardice. It is so easy to civilize by teaching cowardice. The criteria that would lead to courage are being watered down. The will is curbed. Appetites are regulated. Horizons are delimited. A law is made for every movement. The existence of chaos is denied. Even children are taught to breathe slowly. Everything is domesticated."
― Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune
Fourth novel of Frank Herbert's Dune series, in my opinion the most hermetic but also the most fascinating. I always like to remember that Dune is not just the first novel, and without having read the subsequent ones you lose its true purpose.
It is certainly a novel whose message is not immediate and deserves multiple readings to fully appreciate it and be able to decipher all the choices made by the characters from the perspective of the entire saga.
The first three books can be considered the preamble to get to this. The following ones contextualize the choices.
The figure of the Emperor-God is poetry and hope, a concentration of philosophy and sociology, the only being capable of having an overall vision of the human race and guiding it into its uncertain future even if at a very high cost.
Leto has accepted the Golden Path and suffers its dramatic consequences. Tragic and unique figure, completely to be understood.
The message of the Dune series is implied in his words. Fundamental stage to understand the true meaning of the work.
A novel that amazes again and again with each subsequent reading and manages to enchant with its dialogues.
― Frank Herbert, Imperatore Dio di Dune
Quarto romanzo del ciclo di Dune di Frank Herbert, a mio giudizio il più ermetico ma anche il più affascinante. Mi piace ricordare sempre che Dune non è solo il primo romanzo, e senza aver letto i successivi si perde il suo vero scopo.
Sicuramente è un romanzo il cui messaggio non è immediato e merita più letture per apprezzarlo appieno e poter decifrare tutte le scelte compiute dai personaggi nell'ottica della saga intera.
I primi tre libri possono considerarsi il preambolo per arrivare a questo. I successivi ne contestualizzano le scelte.
La figura dell'Imperatore-Dio è poesia e speranza, un concentrato di filosofia e sociologia, l'unico essere capace di avere una visione d'insieme della razza umana e guidarla nel suo futuro incerto pur se ad un costo altissimo.
Leto ha accettato il Sentiero Dorato e ne subisce le drammatiche conseguenze. Figura tragica e unica, completamente da capire.
Il messaggio del ciclo di Dune è sottinteso nelle sue parole. Tappa fondamentale per capire il vero significato dell'opera.
Romanzo che meraviglia ancora e ancora ad ogni lettura successiva e riesce ad incantare con i sui dialoghi.
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“Almost all civilization is based on cowardice. It is so easy to civilize by teaching cowardice. The criteria that would lead to courage are being watered down. The will is curbed. Appetites are regulated. Horizons are delimited. A law is made for every movement. The existence of chaos is denied. Even children are taught to breathe slowly. Everything is domesticated."
― Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune
Fourth novel of Frank Herbert's Dune series, in my opinion the most hermetic but also the most fascinating. I always like to remember that Dune is not just the first novel, and without having read the subsequent ones you lose its true purpose.
It is certainly a novel whose message is not immediate and deserves multiple readings to fully appreciate it and be able to decipher all the choices made by the characters from the perspective of the entire saga.
The first three books can be considered the preamble to get to this. The following ones contextualize the choices.
The figure of the Emperor-God is poetry and hope, a concentration of philosophy and sociology, the only being capable of having an overall vision of the human race and guiding it into its uncertain future even if at a very high cost.
Leto has accepted the Golden Path and suffers its dramatic consequences. Tragic and unique figure, completely to be understood.
The message of the Dune series is implied in his words. Fundamental stage to understand the true meaning of the work.
A novel that amazes again and again with each subsequent reading and manages to enchant with its dialogues.
September 12, 2007
Reviews for this book have called it "heady" and "deep." I cannot concur more. Few books have mastered this combination of deep material with a hurtling plot, and this is one of them.
Of the Dune Chronicles so far (this is book 4), God Emperor of Dune is my clear favorite. This profoundly philosophical installment in "the bestselling sci-fi series of all time" explores the now-verdant world of Arrakis thirty-five hundred years after the events in Children of Dune.
Leto, the nine-year old son of Paul "Muad'Dib" Atreides, has assumed control of the galaxy-spanning empire described in the first three books, and has transformed himself into a grotesque synthesis of worm and human in an effort to avert a terrible catastrophe which would render all of humanity extinct. To be sure, Leto's transformation is both disturbing and uncomfortable (and yes, the full physical ramifications of this transformation are explored thoroughly), yet it feels quite naturally based in the mythology that Frank Herbert has laid out thus far in the series. It is the logical conclusion of a mythology steeped in the surreal and otherworldly.
God Emperor of Dune explores nature of despotism, the conditions under which it's called for, and the attendant concerns that such a dictator would have (amongst them the nature of religion, government, trade, rebellions, mythology, armies, sexuality, war, family, duty, and sacrifice) and depicts Leto's difficult - near impossible - choices and the poignant destiny which results from them.
The portrait of Leto - God, Emperor, saint, tyrant, martyr, human, sandworm - is a portrait of one of the most complex, sympathetic, and lonely characters I have ever encountered. I loved, Loved, LOVED this book. Highly recommended.
Of the Dune Chronicles so far (this is book 4), God Emperor of Dune is my clear favorite. This profoundly philosophical installment in "the bestselling sci-fi series of all time" explores the now-verdant world of Arrakis thirty-five hundred years after the events in Children of Dune.
Leto, the nine-year old son of Paul "Muad'Dib" Atreides, has assumed control of the galaxy-spanning empire described in the first three books, and has transformed himself into a grotesque synthesis of worm and human in an effort to avert a terrible catastrophe which would render all of humanity extinct. To be sure, Leto's transformation is both disturbing and uncomfortable (and yes, the full physical ramifications of this transformation are explored thoroughly), yet it feels quite naturally based in the mythology that Frank Herbert has laid out thus far in the series. It is the logical conclusion of a mythology steeped in the surreal and otherworldly.
God Emperor of Dune explores nature of despotism, the conditions under which it's called for, and the attendant concerns that such a dictator would have (amongst them the nature of religion, government, trade, rebellions, mythology, armies, sexuality, war, family, duty, and sacrifice) and depicts Leto's difficult - near impossible - choices and the poignant destiny which results from them.
The portrait of Leto - God, Emperor, saint, tyrant, martyr, human, sandworm - is a portrait of one of the most complex, sympathetic, and lonely characters I have ever encountered. I loved, Loved, LOVED this book. Highly recommended.
September 11, 2015
Buddy read with Athena!
“I am a collection of the obsolete, a relic of the damned, of the lost and strayed. I am the waylaid pieces of history which sank out of sight in all of our pasts. Such an accumulation of riffraff has never before been imagined.”
More than three thousand years have passed since the events described in the Great Dune Trilogy, and everything has changed. Arrakis is now a planet of running water and green growth, and the days of stillsuits and crysknives are gone. The Sandworms and the Fremen remain only as legends from the Ancient Days of Dune. Only one part remains from the old days: Leto II, the God Emperor.
God Emperor of Dune is, logically, a book centred around Leto. However, that is precisely its greatest problem. The so-called God Emperor who so valiantly sacrificed his human existence for that of an emperor doomed to serve his people by living through the ages and preserving the universe, has turned into a tyrant. And everyone sees him as such, except for himself and his fanatically loyal Fish Speaker cult. It seems as if though the book is an attempt to justify the government of Leto, and that is a task in which it fails miserably.
Because of that, one should think that there would be other people to sympathise with. People living under the oppression of Leto’s rule joining together in rebellion against the monstrous tyrant. Well… there really aren’t any. The rebels on Arrakis are led by Siona, the last of the Atreides line descending from Ghanima, Leto’s sister. But in reality, Leto is allowing the rebellion to happen while secretly grooming Siona to become another of his instruments. Siona knows this, and knows that the God Emperor doesn’t want her dead. That, of course, makes one wonder what the point is about the whole thing.
Next to Leto and Siona, the rest of the characters are few and uninteresting. There were a couple of them in particular that were a bit interesting in the beginning, but my interest in them quickly evaporated into thin air. And when you don’t have any characters that are fun to read about, the book gets terribly boring after a while.
This book is actually not as bad as it sounds. The story was intriguing at times (not often, mind you), the great writing of Frank Herbert is still present, and the fourth book is just as much of a lesson in power and politics as the first three books. But the point is that compared with Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, three of the greatest books ever written, this one is a disaster.
“I am a collection of the obsolete, a relic of the damned, of the lost and strayed. I am the waylaid pieces of history which sank out of sight in all of our pasts. Such an accumulation of riffraff has never before been imagined.”
More than three thousand years have passed since the events described in the Great Dune Trilogy, and everything has changed. Arrakis is now a planet of running water and green growth, and the days of stillsuits and crysknives are gone. The Sandworms and the Fremen remain only as legends from the Ancient Days of Dune. Only one part remains from the old days: Leto II, the God Emperor.
God Emperor of Dune is, logically, a book centred around Leto. However, that is precisely its greatest problem. The so-called God Emperor who so valiantly sacrificed his human existence for that of an emperor doomed to serve his people by living through the ages and preserving the universe, has turned into a tyrant. And everyone sees him as such, except for himself and his fanatically loyal Fish Speaker cult. It seems as if though the book is an attempt to justify the government of Leto, and that is a task in which it fails miserably.
Because of that, one should think that there would be other people to sympathise with. People living under the oppression of Leto’s rule joining together in rebellion against the monstrous tyrant. Well… there really aren’t any. The rebels on Arrakis are led by Siona, the last of the Atreides line descending from Ghanima, Leto’s sister. But in reality, Leto is allowing the rebellion to happen while secretly grooming Siona to become another of his instruments. Siona knows this, and knows that the God Emperor doesn’t want her dead. That, of course, makes one wonder what the point is about the whole thing.
Next to Leto and Siona, the rest of the characters are few and uninteresting. There were a couple of them in particular that were a bit interesting in the beginning, but my interest in them quickly evaporated into thin air. And when you don’t have any characters that are fun to read about, the book gets terribly boring after a while.
This book is actually not as bad as it sounds. The story was intriguing at times (not often, mind you), the great writing of Frank Herbert is still present, and the fourth book is just as much of a lesson in power and politics as the first three books. But the point is that compared with Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, three of the greatest books ever written, this one is a disaster.
June 17, 2024
I'm going to write two reviews for this book, they are both true.
God Emperor of Dune is a rambling mess and a waste of time. About half this book is people talking with Leto, and him just interrupting them with cryptic vaguely related questions which they don't really answer, so he interrupts them with yet another cryptic vaguely related open-ended question. The idea of the Golden Path is inherently compelling, and sometimes caused it to be page turning as I kept reading to try and find out more about it, but like it just kept feeling like it was spinning it's wheels as a concept, and the novel and Leto kept promising me answers and not delivering, which made it feel like it was thin, a veneer pretending at greater understanding. Also, Frank Herbert had some weird things going on in his head about gay people, everytime anything related to homosexuality comes up I prepare myself to absolutely cringe, and I needed that preperation every time. Aside from just being icky, it breaks the illusion that this is the words of some ancient being, or some author who really has humanity figured out and makes you wonder how much of this is just the nonsensical shower thought of some dude while he was high.
2.5/10
Second review:
God Emperor of Dune is the first Dune sequel that feels like it has truly escaped from under the shadow of Dune. Incredibly ambitious in scope, and worldbuilding, this is an extremely idea's-based novel that drops fire conversation after fire conversation. The Golden Path is presented in such an engaging way, giving us very little information without earning it, causing me to be constantly investigating, trying to put pieces together, which lead to a really engaging, nearly addicting read at time despite the very very slow plot. There are some weird lines that didn't age well, but that is overshadowed by a towering achievement of a novel that only Frank Herbert could have written.
9.1/10
I guess I will average them out and write 3 stars
God Emperor of Dune is a rambling mess and a waste of time. About half this book is people talking with Leto, and him just interrupting them with cryptic vaguely related questions which they don't really answer, so he interrupts them with yet another cryptic vaguely related open-ended question. The idea of the Golden Path is inherently compelling, and sometimes caused it to be page turning as I kept reading to try and find out more about it, but like it just kept feeling like it was spinning it's wheels as a concept, and the novel and Leto kept promising me answers and not delivering, which made it feel like it was thin, a veneer pretending at greater understanding. Also, Frank Herbert had some weird things going on in his head about gay people, everytime anything related to homosexuality comes up I prepare myself to absolutely cringe, and I needed that preperation every time. Aside from just being icky, it breaks the illusion that this is the words of some ancient being, or some author who really has humanity figured out and makes you wonder how much of this is just the nonsensical shower thought of some dude while he was high.
2.5/10
Second review:
God Emperor of Dune is the first Dune sequel that feels like it has truly escaped from under the shadow of Dune. Incredibly ambitious in scope, and worldbuilding, this is an extremely idea's-based novel that drops fire conversation after fire conversation. The Golden Path is presented in such an engaging way, giving us very little information without earning it, causing me to be constantly investigating, trying to put pieces together, which lead to a really engaging, nearly addicting read at time despite the very very slow plot. There are some weird lines that didn't age well, but that is overshadowed by a towering achievement of a novel that only Frank Herbert could have written.
9.1/10
I guess I will average them out and write 3 stars
May 25, 2023
Dzieci, nie bierzcie narkotyków. Ta książka wystarczy.
Diuneczka na yt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0sPw...
Diuneczka na yt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0sPw...
July 30, 2007
God Emperor of Dune is the red-headed stepchild of the series. Frank Herbert delves into the mind of a near omniscient god-creature. Many people feel disturbed or bored by this book, calling it the most "dull" of the series. From a philosophical point of view, this is probably the most advanced book in the series. Definitions of humanity and morality are contrasted in very personal ways in this book. Those familiar with Lovecraftian Cthulu mythos could well use this as a textbook to start thinking about "alien" motives and the human concept of "evil".
June 23, 2010
6.0 stars. On my list of All Time Favorite novels. The Dune series is one of the most literate and beautifully written science fiction series ever and this novel certainly continues that tradition of excellence. In fact, this may be may favorite installment of the entire series. I find I may be in the minority with that sentiment based on other reviews I have read, but I found the contemplative and cerebral nature of the story and the many expository monologues and dialogues among the characters discussing politics, religion, ecology, etc. to be hugely enjoyable as I am a big fan of world-building and enjoyed learning more about the incredible universe that Herbert created. Of course, it should be noted that I could sit and read a Dune Encyclopaedia (is theior one?) from cover to cover and be very content. HIGHEST POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATION!!!
One note: I have both read the prin version and listened to the unabridged audiobook of this novel (as I have for all of the first 4 Dune novels) and I highly recommeded the audiobook to everyone. The full cast for the audio performance is wonderful and I think it truly enhances the enjoyment of the book.
One note: I have both read the prin version and listened to the unabridged audiobook of this novel (as I have for all of the first 4 Dune novels) and I highly recommeded the audiobook to everyone. The full cast for the audio performance is wonderful and I think it truly enhances the enjoyment of the book.
April 16, 2020
I don't accept this monstrosity made of ramblings of an old fart as a Dune book. About 1870 pages of boring drivel that smothers you in it's contemptuous arrogance.
GEoD should have been a 50 pages of intro to the next installment of this series. And that would be about 40 pages too long in my opinion but still 1830 pages less of a torture.
GEoD should have been a 50 pages of intro to the next installment of this series. And that would be about 40 pages too long in my opinion but still 1830 pages less of a torture.
January 12, 2022
The view of the desert soothed him.
Quite a heady experience, and not one to be entered lightly.
Don’t even consider reading this if you haven’t read the novels preceding it. However, if you are invested in the Dune Universe and you have read the original Dune Trilogy (Dune / Dune Messiah / Children of Dune) this can be a very rewarding, albeit challenging, read.
Presented as part future historical text, part memoir and part mythos, God Emperor of Dune is somewhat unlike any of the Dune novels that came before. Taking place more than 3000 years after the events of Children of Dune , but still revolving around Leto II (yes, he is that old by now), this book continues the Dune / Herbert tradition of subverting events that came before. And then some.
While some of what transpires here was hinted at in the previous novel, it is still a somewhat uneasy turn of events. The book doesn’t make it entirely clear who you should be rooting for, either. It’s all grey area, and it takes a long time for character motives to become clearer. Half the people in the story don’t seem to know what the hell is going on either, which does make for a truly remarkable reading experience (intended or otherwise).
There are fewer characters this time round, with just about everything revolving around the God Emperor and his actions. The only additional characters are the (befuddled) few with whom the emperor has surrounded himself.
The narrative is interspersed with quotes from the history of the Dune universe, as well as diary entries, notably those of the God Emperor himself. As such, the flow of the novel takes some getting used to. It is heavy on philosophical meandering and, to a lesser extent, political maneuvering. The story takes the long view, and concerns itself with the future of the human race on an intergalactic scale as dictated by the “Golden Path” that Leto is following via his (by now very formidable) prescience. As such, there is very little in the sense of immediate gratification. In fact, compared to this, the original Dune is a pretty straightforward adventure yarn. This, by the way, is not a criticism; I love the original Dune.
I suppose it would be easy to dislike this book, based on how strange it truly is. And you wouldn’t know how strange unless you read it. It is perhaps worth noting that Herbert had some aid in the form of magic mushrooms when writing some of his Dune stories (by his own admission). Perhaps God Emperor of Dune is case in point. All in all, a mind-bending affair.
…they saw only the great emptiness, an eerie place especially in moonlight – dunes at a distance, a distance which seemed not to change as the traveller moved – nothing anywhere except the seemingly eternal wind, a few rocks and, when they looked upward, stars without mercy.
This was the desert of the desert.
In the end, though, it is telling that I wasn’t indifferent to the fates of the main character(s). There are some memorable scenes (and one fairly moving one) toward the close of the novel that puts everything in perspective. The story had, after all, managed to get under my skin, and in the end, everything makes a tragic sort of sense. Such is the nature of the Dune novels.
The truth is, they don’t make them like this anymore, and any return to Dune is likely going to be a rewarding experience.
The Worm comes!
Quite a heady experience, and not one to be entered lightly.
Don’t even consider reading this if you haven’t read the novels preceding it. However, if you are invested in the Dune Universe and you have read the original Dune Trilogy (Dune / Dune Messiah / Children of Dune) this can be a very rewarding, albeit challenging, read.
Presented as part future historical text, part memoir and part mythos, God Emperor of Dune is somewhat unlike any of the Dune novels that came before. Taking place more than 3000 years after the events of Children of Dune , but still revolving around Leto II (yes, he is that old by now), this book continues the Dune / Herbert tradition of subverting events that came before. And then some.
While some of what transpires here was hinted at in the previous novel, it is still a somewhat uneasy turn of events. The book doesn’t make it entirely clear who you should be rooting for, either. It’s all grey area, and it takes a long time for character motives to become clearer. Half the people in the story don’t seem to know what the hell is going on either, which does make for a truly remarkable reading experience (intended or otherwise).
There are fewer characters this time round, with just about everything revolving around the God Emperor and his actions. The only additional characters are the (befuddled) few with whom the emperor has surrounded himself.
The narrative is interspersed with quotes from the history of the Dune universe, as well as diary entries, notably those of the God Emperor himself. As such, the flow of the novel takes some getting used to. It is heavy on philosophical meandering and, to a lesser extent, political maneuvering. The story takes the long view, and concerns itself with the future of the human race on an intergalactic scale as dictated by the “Golden Path” that Leto is following via his (by now very formidable) prescience. As such, there is very little in the sense of immediate gratification. In fact, compared to this, the original Dune is a pretty straightforward adventure yarn. This, by the way, is not a criticism; I love the original Dune.
I suppose it would be easy to dislike this book, based on how strange it truly is. And you wouldn’t know how strange unless you read it. It is perhaps worth noting that Herbert had some aid in the form of magic mushrooms when writing some of his Dune stories (by his own admission). Perhaps God Emperor of Dune is case in point. All in all, a mind-bending affair.
…they saw only the great emptiness, an eerie place especially in moonlight – dunes at a distance, a distance which seemed not to change as the traveller moved – nothing anywhere except the seemingly eternal wind, a few rocks and, when they looked upward, stars without mercy.
This was the desert of the desert.
In the end, though, it is telling that I wasn’t indifferent to the fates of the main character(s). There are some memorable scenes (and one fairly moving one) toward the close of the novel that puts everything in perspective. The story had, after all, managed to get under my skin, and in the end, everything makes a tragic sort of sense. Such is the nature of the Dune novels.
The truth is, they don’t make them like this anymore, and any return to Dune is likely going to be a rewarding experience.
The Worm comes!
August 1, 2021
For any of the times that I may have complained about the characters or how I may not have loved them as much as the previous volumes, I have three or four OMG moments for everything else about this book.
The sheer scope of future history is one bit. But I'm all about the reveals about the Golden Path and what it meant for the social, political, scientific, even genderizing the future for humanity.
Or perhaps the fact that Leto II Atreides, the son of Paul, with his prolonged life, transforming into a sandworm, with the opening up of both the male and female genetic bloodline memories all the way back to us on Earth, or his ongoing future prescience, was the de facto SAVIOR of the human race.
... of course, he did it by SQUEEZING it, taking over the Bene Gesserit's breeding program, giving everyone a solid, stable life, SQUEEZING humanity until they just couldn't take it anymore.
Nobody hates peace and prosperity more than the people living in it.
This book is a wonderful testament to both imagination and INTELLIGENCE. Herbert never looked down on anyone and never spoon-fed a single idea.
The same can't be said for the side series.
Look to the best for the best, folks.
The sheer scope of future history is one bit. But I'm all about the reveals about the Golden Path and what it meant for the social, political, scientific, even genderizing the future for humanity.
Or perhaps the fact that Leto II Atreides, the son of Paul, with his prolonged life, transforming into a sandworm, with the opening up of both the male and female genetic bloodline memories all the way back to us on Earth, or his ongoing future prescience, was the de facto SAVIOR of the human race.
... of course, he did it by SQUEEZING it, taking over the Bene Gesserit's breeding program, giving everyone a solid, stable life, SQUEEZING humanity until they just couldn't take it anymore.
Nobody hates peace and prosperity more than the people living in it.
This book is a wonderful testament to both imagination and INTELLIGENCE. Herbert never looked down on anyone and never spoon-fed a single idea.
The same can't be said for the side series.
Look to the best for the best, folks.
June 1, 2021
I keep going back and forth on this rating. Reading this series has been a truly weird experience. The first book is a straight up classic that I enjoy reading, despite some issues with it being dated and gross in places. I will read it again! I will see the movie. The second two books I appreciated on an intellectual level but they did not engage me emotionally at all. I was very much dreading the rest of the series after reading those books. And then . . . this book. I don't even really know what to say about it? In general, my reaction is just sort of . . . what the fuck? But not in a bad way, mostly?
So, the title of this review may have given it away, but our main character is Leto Atreides II, the son of Paul and Chani, and he's 3,500 years old at this point, and is basically God Emperor of the universe. He's also transformed physically, and is still transforming, into a sandworm of Dune, though he still retains a human face and arms (his feet are vestigial "flippers" . . . gag). (I'm still not clear on why this is happening, or even why he chose to merge with the whatever they're called at the end of the last book, but whatever, I'm going with it.) He is full on a tyrant. Like, he acknowledges this to everyone, out loud. He is all-knowing, and prophetic, and he has the entirety of human history in his mind. And he has some overarching bullshit plan that he likes to vaguely hint at while proselytizing to anyone who will listen.
So the thing about this book is that I kind of hated the storyline, and the main character was incredibly unlikable and almost totally unrelatable, but! It did engage me emotionally. I read it pretty fast, all things considered, when I crawled through the previous two. I'm not sure if it was the WTF factor, or the fact that Leto kept making me angry, or that the things that were happening were escalations of fuckery, or all three. There's also the fact that 3,500 years have passed since we last visited Arrakis so we get to go through the process of discovery again, sort of. It's still the same basic universe and planet, but things have changed, and it was interesting to see how, and speculate as to why. I also did like several of the secondary characters (although, some of them verge on sharing protagonist credit with Leto).
This is our guy!
One of those characters is a clone of Duncan Idaho. I keep thinking we've seen the last of this character (I thought he was full on dunzo halfway through book one, and I was so sad, because Jason Momoa is playing him, but don't worry, Jason, your paychecks are secure forever as long as the movies are a hit). But I think that Herbert was in love with him (despite his very obvious homophobia) and kept bringing him back. Just like Leto does in this book, and in the 3,500 years leading up to it. There have been a succession of Duncan Idaho clones, or gholas as they're called in this universe. Leto goes through a lot of them, either losing them to old age, or more likely, to betrayal or "treason" as the Duncans grow bitter about their master and turn on him. Basically, Leto has been tormenting Duncan Idaho for thousands of years.
There's a lot of politicking with the Bene Gesserit and the dirty Tleixaxu, as per usual, but also introduced here is a rebellion led by Leto's sister Ghanima's descendant, Siona. Cool thing to know about Siona: She's the result of Leto's "breeding program." Breeding for what, who knows! Oh, and did I say cool? What I meant is fuck you, Leto. Apparently one of Leto's favorite things to do in order to control a population (aside from making them all complacent with peace and feudal level technology) is to foster rebellion and then disarm it by bringing the leaders to his side. He did this with Siona's father, Moneo, who is also a POV character.
I almost two starred this because Leto will not shut up, and half of what he says is worth thinking about and he had some points, but then the other half is absolute nonsense. Like his gender essentialist thoughts about why it's the best to have an all female army, and his homophobic thoughts about how armies make you gay if you're a dude, and homosexuals are bad! There were strong hints of Herbert's homophobia in book one, what with making the main villain being a gay pedophile, but here it's all out in the open. Leto spouts all his theories with a surety that is aggravating. The problem here is that if this type of character did exist in real life (one who could see all of history and desires to shepherd humanity away from destruction), he would not hold a lot of these opinions. A lot of the opinions don't even make sense! Literally, did not know what he was saying. Herbert was not the best at making his meaning clear, so the result is garbled. And yet, I did not stop reading. It grabbed me.
The thing is, I see what Herbert was going for (after having read the Dune wiki to make sure), and I admit some of the themes he was working with here are interesting. Leto gives up his humanity because he wants to make it so that no single threat can every destroy the entirety of humanity, and this is the only way that his prescience tells him he can do that. Also, there's a lot of stuff in here about the conflicting desires and needs of humans. We want peace, but we flourish under adversity. This is partly how Leto has been Emperor for so long, because he understands this. The story he used to convey this was such weird nonsense, though. I can't emphasize that enough. Leto sucks.
Last thoughts. Only Frank Herbert could have turned this:
Into this:
[2.5 stars, rounded up because what even??]
So, the title of this review may have given it away, but our main character is Leto Atreides II, the son of Paul and Chani, and he's 3,500 years old at this point, and is basically God Emperor of the universe. He's also transformed physically, and is still transforming, into a sandworm of Dune, though he still retains a human face and arms (his feet are vestigial "flippers" . . . gag). (I'm still not clear on why this is happening, or even why he chose to merge with the whatever they're called at the end of the last book, but whatever, I'm going with it.) He is full on a tyrant. Like, he acknowledges this to everyone, out loud. He is all-knowing, and prophetic, and he has the entirety of human history in his mind. And he has some overarching bullshit plan that he likes to vaguely hint at while proselytizing to anyone who will listen.
So the thing about this book is that I kind of hated the storyline, and the main character was incredibly unlikable and almost totally unrelatable, but! It did engage me emotionally. I read it pretty fast, all things considered, when I crawled through the previous two. I'm not sure if it was the WTF factor, or the fact that Leto kept making me angry, or that the things that were happening were escalations of fuckery, or all three. There's also the fact that 3,500 years have passed since we last visited Arrakis so we get to go through the process of discovery again, sort of. It's still the same basic universe and planet, but things have changed, and it was interesting to see how, and speculate as to why. I also did like several of the secondary characters (although, some of them verge on sharing protagonist credit with Leto).
This is our guy!
One of those characters is a clone of Duncan Idaho. I keep thinking we've seen the last of this character (I thought he was full on dunzo halfway through book one, and I was so sad, because Jason Momoa is playing him, but don't worry, Jason, your paychecks are secure forever as long as the movies are a hit). But I think that Herbert was in love with him (despite his very obvious homophobia) and kept bringing him back. Just like Leto does in this book, and in the 3,500 years leading up to it. There have been a succession of Duncan Idaho clones, or gholas as they're called in this universe. Leto goes through a lot of them, either losing them to old age, or more likely, to betrayal or "treason" as the Duncans grow bitter about their master and turn on him. Basically, Leto has been tormenting Duncan Idaho for thousands of years.
There's a lot of politicking with the Bene Gesserit and the dirty Tleixaxu, as per usual, but also introduced here is a rebellion led by Leto's sister Ghanima's descendant, Siona. Cool thing to know about Siona: She's the result of Leto's "breeding program." Breeding for what, who knows! Oh, and did I say cool? What I meant is fuck you, Leto. Apparently one of Leto's favorite things to do in order to control a population (aside from making them all complacent with peace and feudal level technology) is to foster rebellion and then disarm it by bringing the leaders to his side. He did this with Siona's father, Moneo, who is also a POV character.
I almost two starred this because Leto will not shut up, and half of what he says is worth thinking about and he had some points, but then the other half is absolute nonsense. Like his gender essentialist thoughts about why it's the best to have an all female army, and his homophobic thoughts about how armies make you gay if you're a dude, and homosexuals are bad! There were strong hints of Herbert's homophobia in book one, what with making the main villain being a gay pedophile, but here it's all out in the open. Leto spouts all his theories with a surety that is aggravating. The problem here is that if this type of character did exist in real life (one who could see all of history and desires to shepherd humanity away from destruction), he would not hold a lot of these opinions. A lot of the opinions don't even make sense! Literally, did not know what he was saying. Herbert was not the best at making his meaning clear, so the result is garbled. And yet, I did not stop reading. It grabbed me.
The thing is, I see what Herbert was going for (after having read the Dune wiki to make sure), and I admit some of the themes he was working with here are interesting. Leto gives up his humanity because he wants to make it so that no single threat can every destroy the entirety of humanity, and this is the only way that his prescience tells him he can do that. Also, there's a lot of stuff in here about the conflicting desires and needs of humans. We want peace, but we flourish under adversity. This is partly how Leto has been Emperor for so long, because he understands this. The story he used to convey this was such weird nonsense, though. I can't emphasize that enough. Leto sucks.
Last thoughts. Only Frank Herbert could have turned this:
Into this:
[2.5 stars, rounded up because what even??]
May 20, 2012
Having finished writing the third book of the trilogy, Children of Dune (first published in Analog, January-April 1976), Frank Herbert did not intend to revisit that imaginary universe. He had said all he wished to say about Paul Atreides and his legacy, and about the spice, and sandworms, and the Bene Gesserit, and the like. He would move on to other matters.
And so he did. The Dosadi Experiment followed hard on the heels of Children of Dune, first published in the summer of 1977. This was succeeded by a screenplay for a Dune movie in 1978, and complicated legal wrangling involving the writing and rewriting of The Jesus Incident, which was published in 1979. Competing negotiations for a film version of Soul Catcher preoccupied Herbert during the summer of 1980. During this period he also coauthored a now almost unreadable book about new technology just beginning to arrive on the scene, 1980's Without Me You're Nothing: The Essential Guide to Home Computers.
As early as 1977, however, Herbert had admitted that he felt pressure to continue the Dune series, although he was uncommitted to doing so. He said then: "The thing that attracts me is, say, coming back to the character of Leto 3,400 years later . . ."
When Herbert did decide to return to the Duniverse, he felt free of any constraints so far as the plot was concerned. So long as he remained within the general boundaries established in the original trilogy, he was free to write about absolutely anything he desired. He must have felt very liberated, knowing he had a guaranteed audience and to be able to start fresh. He wrote the fourth book in the series between March 1979 and July 1980. Published in May 1981, God Emperor of Dune is Frank Herbert's magnum opus.
Dune Messiah reads like a convoluted Shakespearian tragedy, but God Emperor of Dune bumps it up a couple orders of magnitude: here we find not excessively Byzantine plot convolutions, but rather a graceful and elegant prose found nowhere else in Herbert's writing. Herbert had begun to consciously try to meld literary and science fiction in Children of Dune, and that experimentation reaches its apex in this novel. God Emperor of Dune is the most literary science fiction novel I've ever read. This is precisely the kind of writing that I wish all science fiction authors would try to meet or exceed.
In Children of Dune the character Leto II had unambiguously declared that the choice for humanity was one of extinction or his Golden Path: some dangerous something was embedded in the human psyche that needed to be corrected. In writing this novel, Herbert asked himself one question: If I had thousands of years at my disposal, how would I fix humanity?
Within that question lies the character of Leto II, and the character of Leto II provokes all of the action of the story.
I'll give away none of the plot here, but in order to appreciate the tragedy that is God Emperor of Dune it's important to consider the quality of the main character, Leto II.
In the earlier Dune books, the primary superheroic gift of Paul Atreides was an ability to foresee many different possible futures. The ability of Alia, and of the Bene Gesserit, was to assimilate the life-experiences of their past ancestors. In Leto II Herbert has merged these gifts. The God Emperor has extraordinary access to all spacetime, past and future: he is the real Kwisatz Haderach. Furthermore, enveloped as he is in a skin that is not his own, he has become virtually indestructible and immortal. He may not have the power of physical creation at his fingertips, but for all practical purposes Herbert has created in Leto II what may be at once the strangest and the most believable god-figure in literature.
Leto II contains and can access the full-life experiences of all his ancestors, back to the dawn of human consciousness. So how many personages are rattling around within the psyche of the God Emperor? Counting n generations backwards in time, each of us has 2*2^n ancestors, which means after only n = 19 (i.e., 19 generations back), we each have more than a million ancestors. As Herbert elsewhere (i.e., in Destination: Void) posits human consciousness originated 16,000 years ago, a bit of math suggests that Leto II has direct access to approximately 3.0 x 10^371 fully integrated ancestral lifetime memory-records! Add to that his prescient abilities, and this character is suddenly discovered to be the Alexandrian library incarnate multiplied to an unprecedented degree. His experience of humanity is legion. Nowhere else in fiction, to my knowledge, has the portrayal of a character even remotely like this one been attempted. Given this understanding, Leto's unique perspective on the human condition becomes a bit more comprehensible. 3,500 years to such a creature can seem little more than the blink of an eye. He can scarcely be concerned with the individual: it is only survival of the species that matters to him. This makes him the ultimate alien, the enigmatic sphinx whose utterances may be heard and recorded but must be interpreted within the context of millennia.
God Emperor of Dune presents us with Herbert's most careful, most thoughtful, most philosophical, most profound writing of his life, and the prose of its telling is exquisite. Every page is alive and electric, jolting with new insights. To have made the prolonged journey with Herbert over the long years and to arrive at this point with him is a kind of privilege. For more than any other character he created, Leto II is inseparable from Frank Herbert. If nowhere else, Herbert will live forever in God Emperor of Dune.
And so he did. The Dosadi Experiment followed hard on the heels of Children of Dune, first published in the summer of 1977. This was succeeded by a screenplay for a Dune movie in 1978, and complicated legal wrangling involving the writing and rewriting of The Jesus Incident, which was published in 1979. Competing negotiations for a film version of Soul Catcher preoccupied Herbert during the summer of 1980. During this period he also coauthored a now almost unreadable book about new technology just beginning to arrive on the scene, 1980's Without Me You're Nothing: The Essential Guide to Home Computers.
As early as 1977, however, Herbert had admitted that he felt pressure to continue the Dune series, although he was uncommitted to doing so. He said then: "The thing that attracts me is, say, coming back to the character of Leto 3,400 years later . . ."
When Herbert did decide to return to the Duniverse, he felt free of any constraints so far as the plot was concerned. So long as he remained within the general boundaries established in the original trilogy, he was free to write about absolutely anything he desired. He must have felt very liberated, knowing he had a guaranteed audience and to be able to start fresh. He wrote the fourth book in the series between March 1979 and July 1980. Published in May 1981, God Emperor of Dune is Frank Herbert's magnum opus.
Dune Messiah reads like a convoluted Shakespearian tragedy, but God Emperor of Dune bumps it up a couple orders of magnitude: here we find not excessively Byzantine plot convolutions, but rather a graceful and elegant prose found nowhere else in Herbert's writing. Herbert had begun to consciously try to meld literary and science fiction in Children of Dune, and that experimentation reaches its apex in this novel. God Emperor of Dune is the most literary science fiction novel I've ever read. This is precisely the kind of writing that I wish all science fiction authors would try to meet or exceed.
In Children of Dune the character Leto II had unambiguously declared that the choice for humanity was one of extinction or his Golden Path: some dangerous something was embedded in the human psyche that needed to be corrected. In writing this novel, Herbert asked himself one question: If I had thousands of years at my disposal, how would I fix humanity?
Within that question lies the character of Leto II, and the character of Leto II provokes all of the action of the story.
I'll give away none of the plot here, but in order to appreciate the tragedy that is God Emperor of Dune it's important to consider the quality of the main character, Leto II.
In the earlier Dune books, the primary superheroic gift of Paul Atreides was an ability to foresee many different possible futures. The ability of Alia, and of the Bene Gesserit, was to assimilate the life-experiences of their past ancestors. In Leto II Herbert has merged these gifts. The God Emperor has extraordinary access to all spacetime, past and future: he is the real Kwisatz Haderach. Furthermore, enveloped as he is in a skin that is not his own, he has become virtually indestructible and immortal. He may not have the power of physical creation at his fingertips, but for all practical purposes Herbert has created in Leto II what may be at once the strangest and the most believable god-figure in literature.
Leto II contains and can access the full-life experiences of all his ancestors, back to the dawn of human consciousness. So how many personages are rattling around within the psyche of the God Emperor? Counting n generations backwards in time, each of us has 2*2^n ancestors, which means after only n = 19 (i.e., 19 generations back), we each have more than a million ancestors. As Herbert elsewhere (i.e., in Destination: Void) posits human consciousness originated 16,000 years ago, a bit of math suggests that Leto II has direct access to approximately 3.0 x 10^371 fully integrated ancestral lifetime memory-records! Add to that his prescient abilities, and this character is suddenly discovered to be the Alexandrian library incarnate multiplied to an unprecedented degree. His experience of humanity is legion. Nowhere else in fiction, to my knowledge, has the portrayal of a character even remotely like this one been attempted. Given this understanding, Leto's unique perspective on the human condition becomes a bit more comprehensible. 3,500 years to such a creature can seem little more than the blink of an eye. He can scarcely be concerned with the individual: it is only survival of the species that matters to him. This makes him the ultimate alien, the enigmatic sphinx whose utterances may be heard and recorded but must be interpreted within the context of millennia.
God Emperor of Dune presents us with Herbert's most careful, most thoughtful, most philosophical, most profound writing of his life, and the prose of its telling is exquisite. Every page is alive and electric, jolting with new insights. To have made the prolonged journey with Herbert over the long years and to arrive at this point with him is a kind of privilege. For more than any other character he created, Leto II is inseparable from Frank Herbert. If nowhere else, Herbert will live forever in God Emperor of Dune.
May 3, 2022
I'm not one for worms, or for assholes, but Leto II is...something
Absolutely brilliant novel, and my favourite so far in the series. While Children of Dune is quite underrated in my opinion, I believe that it is the spice that is harvested for God Emperor to truly have visions. (And I'm not even done here)
Absolutely brilliant novel, and my favourite so far in the series. While Children of Dune is quite underrated in my opinion, I believe that it is the spice that is harvested for God Emperor to truly have visions. (And I'm not even done here)
May 30, 2021
4,5/5
July 24, 2024
بنظرم یکی از مهارت های یه نویسنده خوب ا��نه که بدونه کی دیگه داستانش رو کش نده. گاهی اوقات باید در اوج خداحافظی کرد.
خیلی دلم میخواست این مجموعه رو تموم کنم اما واقعا نمیشه. اصلا راه نداره اینقدر که افت کرده. شخصاً فکر میکردم هیچکس بدتر از جردن نیست تو عاشقانه نویسی اما حالا حرفم رو پس میگیرم و طلب آمرزش دارم!
خیلی دلم میخواست این مجموعه رو تموم کنم اما واقعا نمیشه. اصلا راه نداره اینقدر که افت کرده. شخصاً فکر میکردم هیچکس بدتر از جردن نیست تو عاشقانه نویسی اما حالا حرفم رو پس میگیرم و طلب آمرزش دارم!
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October 28, 2017With this book I ran out of energy to read the Dune series any further. Reading this book drained life out of me, until I died and abandoned reading science fiction (for the second time). Nowadays of course one can just read the gist of it on Wikipeadia, but in the dim and distant past, curiosity about a story could only be satisfied by the personal turning of the pages of an entire book.
The opening I thought was great and it was interesting to see the outcomes of the Fremen's plan, outlines the previous thousand or so pages of the three preceding volumes, to irrigate the surface of Dune - and for a book series with such a focus on ecology it was completely indifferent to the number of trees that would need to be sacrificed to the paper-mills and the release of waste water into rivers and lakes...I think I would have enjoyed this more if Herbert had followed the technique that Asimov used in the Foundation series of using short stories and novellas to create a narrative that spanned great reaches of time rather than having great blocky narratives bound into print bricks based around single points in time. One can see the problem, the writer has a vision of a mighty story with deep roots, whose branches sweep across immeasurable distances with a trunk that grows through time to support the universe, but can't realise this without dropping wedgy slices in to the lap of the reader. After a few hundred pages I found myself without interest in a super brained spaceworm using eugenics and captive breeding to plot against itself, or in perpetually reincarnated characters who didn't amuse me the first time they were alive. Possibly best consumed via the medium of Wikipeadia rather than in person.
The opening I thought was great and it was interesting to see the outcomes of the Fremen's plan, outlines the previous thousand or so pages of the three preceding volumes, to irrigate the surface of Dune - and for a book series with such a focus on ecology it was completely indifferent to the number of trees that would need to be sacrificed to the paper-mills and the release of waste water into rivers and lakes...I think I would have enjoyed this more if Herbert had followed the technique that Asimov used in the Foundation series of using short stories and novellas to create a narrative that spanned great reaches of time rather than having great blocky narratives bound into print bricks based around single points in time. One can see the problem, the writer has a vision of a mighty story with deep roots, whose branches sweep across immeasurable distances with a trunk that grows through time to support the universe, but can't realise this without dropping wedgy slices in to the lap of the reader. After a few hundred pages I found myself without interest in a super brained spaceworm using eugenics and captive breeding to plot against itself, or in perpetually reincarnated characters who didn't amuse me the first time they were alive. Possibly best consumed via the medium of Wikipeadia rather than in person.
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