Talk:Nemesis (ROTF)

If the Fallen was on the ROTF Nemesis the whole time, what happened to him when Starscream's starship was destroyed at the end of ROS? Starscream's ship launched from Cybertron to pursue the fleeing Autobot ship. When I brought up the issue of ship names before the site crash, I was informed by Alex Milne that the ROS Decepticon battlecruiser wasn't the Nemesis. Also, Soundwave and the new Decepticons arrived to Earth in Alliance issue 2 aboard an unseen starship, which was most likely the Nemesis. It's prossible that Dan Khanna and Andrew Griffith just recycled Milne's ROS starship design for Defiance issue 4.

Also, this page needs to be cleaned up. The writing is a little stilted and there's some problems in tense. --FFN 09:58, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Apparently there's two ships named Nemesis. --ItsWalky 10:04, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

I didn't know it was destroyed in ROS (I confess I didn't read it). Is that the same as Dreadwing's ship that got blasted through the space bridge back to Mars? So the relic might have survived the blast and is on Mars? Or was the ship at Trypticon when Trypticon was destroyed? So far the plot summaries and the Nemesis (Movie) article don't make it clear.

They do look the same, and the Decepticons built the Relic's Nemesis from scratch specially for their purpose and Bumblebee said he never saw anything like it. The chances of the two ships just looking the same on purpose are minimal. If their looking alike is an art error, that is noteworthy. - Starfield 10:52, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

My updated versions of the Nemesis (Movie) and Ark (Movie) articles were lost during the crash. The ship Dreadwing steals to make his getaway looks pretty much like Starscream's ship, so it's probably safe to assume it's the same ship. We later see Soundwave in Alliance issue 2 searching the debris and seeing the imprint of Frenzy's body (that Starscream presumably retrieved from the wreckage).

As for the Fallen surviving the blast, the sequence of events doesn't fit if we go with your theory that both ships are the same. Megatron encountered the ROTF Nemesis in space. He flew ahead of both the Ark and Starscream's group. Starscream's ship was launched from Cybertron, and was WAY behind the Ark and Megatron. They only arrived on Mars thousands of years later.

As I said, it's probable that the Defiance artists simply recycled Milne's design. Milne had previously told me he didn't intend for Starscream's battlecruiser to be the Nemesis, and obviously, he was aware at the time that the actual IDW Nemesis would appear in Defiance. --FFN 14:18, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

Location

It was only on-screen briefly in the movie, but I had the impression that the Nemesis could be on any moon of a ringed gas giant, not specifically Saturn. It would explain how Megatron was able to return with reinforcements so quickly, mind you. 137.195.68.169 07:22, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

I don't see how the Nemesis being on a non-Saturn ringed planet would have made Megatron's trip any shorter. The reinforcements would have been on the Nemesis itself, after all. --ItsWalky 16:22, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

The "mind you" indicates that what he's saying is that even though the movie didn't actually call the planet SATURN! (perhaps suggesting it could be on any moon of any ringed planet) being on one of Saturn's moons would actually explain how Megsy and The Fallen were able to get their forces to Earth within the span of a few days. --FFN 16:27, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Righto-then! --ItsWalky 16:33, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, I was conceding that it makes a lot of sense for it to be Saturn, even if it's not definitively stated. 137.195.68.169 14:08, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Since they didn't say, I think it's reasonable to assume it's one of Saturn's moons based on the appearance of the gas giant, specifically the moon that looks like it's the set of Armageddon --FFN 15:00, 2 July 2009 (EDT).

The various novels make it clear that the ice world the nemesis is crashed on is in another solar system. -Derik 14:58, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

And in the movie, it's on a moon plainly in front of Saturn. It's just another thing different between the movies and the adaptations. --ItsWalky 15:15, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

I guess I didn't realize that Saturn was located so close to a nebula.

Is this like Energon? "We warped into another galaxy on the outer reaches of the solar system."

Do you have any citation for this planet being Saturn beyond 'butterstotch planet with rings'? -Derik 15:56, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Post another screenshot from a pirated copy of the movie, and you're banned from this site. --ItsWalky 16:22, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

So I take that to mean "no, I don't have a citation Saturn?" -Derik 20:01, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Well, seeing how Megatron flew there and flew back with Starscream and a protoform army in—at most—a couple of days, I would think it would have to be Saturn for it not to be an error, and even that is pushing it. We have no idea how or why it crashed anywhere, which is frustrating. I liked the idea it was in a dead star system, then it might have been a system where they previously used a harvester. Could a gas giant planet exist in a dead star system? I don't know. - Starfield 10:34, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

We do not source leaked information in articles on this wiki. However, recent "chatter in the network" about things which have been leaked, stolen or snuck leads me to believe that an upcoming Store Exclusive may support just that scenario. -Derik 15:18, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

A gas giant could indeed continue to exist in a dead star system. However given that there's plainly daylight shining upon the gas giant in the movie, it's got a perfectly healthy star nearby. I figure Saturn's the most logical choice at the moment, unless it's outright stated otherwise. Someone should bring it up at a convention panel some time!137.195.68.169 12:05, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

Cinefex's article on ROTF's special effects claims the ship is "hidden behind Saturn." --ItsWalky 14:22, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

I say it is near Saturn, and the nebula was added just because it was pretty or to reinforce the idea that it's in space. Or maybe even deep space, which doesn't make sense, but eh. It's Bay, it doesn't have to make sense. Just my 2 cents. 66.131.29.196 12:24, 23 December 2009 (EST)

To add to my previous comment, think of it as an equivalent to the space scenes in the Beast Wars cartoon, where we see the Trifid Nebula (M20, in Sagittarius) as we see it on photos, despite the fact that it's about 5000 lightyears away from us. It was just to show that it happened in space. I think we may have the same kind of situation here. 66.131.29.196 12:31, 23 December 2009 (EST)