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Improve talk page message notification
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Description

Up until June 2021, when you had a message on your Talk page the Talk link in your user/personal tools area would transform into a yellow-notice-link-thing that said You have new messages. In other words, your normal Talk page link would be replaced by this notice.

In the course of the Desktop improvements project we modified the behavior here a bit: instead of the notice replacing the Talk page link, it was added as an additional element. See these screenshots for clarification:

Before June 2021After June 2021
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There is nothing currently broken with this functionality, however there is probably room for improvement in regards to:

  • the yellow notification is duplicative of the red dot on the bell icon
  • the yellow notification is inconsistent with other notifications
  • the need for the yellow notification is possibly an indication that the "standard" methods of notification are insufficient or are not working properly

Notes

additional context here T274428

Event Timeline

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The bell includes way more events, such as replies in threads you watch on random talk pages. Talk page messages are considered more important. It's like an email sent to a mailing list you are subscribed to vs. an email sent to you directly.

The main reason for being so obtrusive is that for newbies the talk page message is often a warning of the "cease and desist" variety, and if they don't notice it they might get blocked.

@Tgr thanks for the clarification. If I understand correctly: there should be a distinction between how we notify people that someone has written on their talk page vs. how we notify them of any other activity, with the talk page situation appearing significantly more noticeable/urgent? Let me know if I have that right and I will add this context to the task description.

I think so, yes. (I don't want to present my opinion as authoritative - I wasn't a maintainer of Echo when these conversations happened, and we are only nominally maintainers today because someone had to be, not because of a deep understanding of the product, so this is mostly my opinion as an editor.)

Arguably talk page notifications are a poor stand-in for a "warning" system, because plenty of talk page messages aren't really urgent either. But we don't have such a system, and the orange bars are better than nothing.

I’m probably not at the best place, but anyway: this extra link may break into a new line on narrower screens, which doesn’t look nice, and even overlaps with the content action tabs.

New message indicator overlapping.png (124×317 px, 7 KB)

What about adding an extra icon to the user menu, like the one I proposed for Timeless in T215695#4959221?

kostajh subscribed.

I don't think anything is needed from Growth-Team, but if I'm mistaken please let us know.