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South Azerbaijani Wikipedia

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submitted verification final decision

 

This proposal has been approved.
The Board of Trustees and language committee have deemed that there is sufficient grounds and community to create the new language project.

A committee member provided the following comment:

This was finally approved by Langcom. A bug will be filed soon. --MF-W 22:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.
  • The community needs to complete required MediaWiki interface translations in that language (about localization, translatewiki, check completion).
  • The community needs to discuss and complete the settings table below:
What Value Example / Explanation
Proposal
Language code azb (SIL, Glottolog) A valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 language code, like "fr", "de", "nso", ...
Language name South Azerbaijani Language name in English
Language name تۆرکجه Language name in your language. This will appear in the language list on Special:Preferences, in the interwiki sidebar on other wikis, ...
Language Wikidata item Item about the language at Wikidata. It would normally include the Wikimedia language code, name of the language, etc. Please complete at Wikidata if needed.
Directionality no indication Is the language written from left to right (LTR) or from right to left (RTL)?
Links Links to previous requests, or references to external websites or documents.
Site URL azb.wikipedia.org langcode.wikiproject.org

Settings
Project name ویکی‌پدیا "Wikipedia" in your language
Project namespace ویکی‌پدیا usually the same as the project name
Project talk namespace ویکی‌پدیا دانیشیغی "Wikipedia talk" (the discussion namespace of the project namespace)
Enable uploads no Default is "no". Preferably, files should be uploaded to Commons.
If you want, you can enable local file uploading, either by any user ("yes") or by administrators only ("admin").
Notes: (1) This setting can be changed afterwards. The setting can only be "yes" or "admin" at approval if the test creates an Exemption Doctrine Policy (EDP) first. (2) Files on Commons can be used on all Wikis. (3) Uploading fair-use images is not allowed on Commons (more info). (4) Localisation to your language may be insufficient on Commons.
Optional settings
Project logo File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-azb.png This needs to be an SVG image (instructions for logo creation).
Default project timezone UTC "Continent/City", e.g. "Europe/Brussels" or "America/Mexico City" (see list of valid timezones)
Additional namespaces Portal: پوْرتال, Portal talk: پوْرتال دانیشیغی Module: ماژول Module talk: ماژول دانیشیغی For example, a Wikisource would need "Page", "Page talk", "Index", "Index talk", "Author", "Author talk".
Additional settings Anything else that should be set
Once settings are finalized, a committee member will submit a Phabricator task requesting creation of the wiki. (This will include everything automatically, except the additional namespaces/settings.) After the task is created, it should be linked to in a comment under "final decision" above.

South and North Azerbaijani languages has been separated from 200 years ago. In this time they have gone different paths and now each one has a different identity; although they are mutually understandable. Russian has influenced North Azerbaijani and it borrows almost all of its scientific terms from it, while the South Azerbaijani speakers know nothing of Russian. Persian has influenced both in different ways. There are many Persian words in South Azerbaijani that the North does not have and ironically vice versa (like Persian words of xərçanəg, bərpa, digər).

Now the similarities lie only in the grammar and in the primary words (like the similarities of all members of Turkic language family). But many common words, even like the week day names, are different. All of the scientific terms, many of the cultural term, many of the political terms are different. And these differences does not fit in one Wikipedia. The experience also proved that.

Maybe the most obvious difference is the script. Arabic script is used at least for thousand years in both regions. It continues to be used for South Azerbaijani, while the North Azerbaijani had a very unstable century on script issue and 3 times changed the script, not to mention many times small changes of some characters in the same alphabet. So the Arabic script is not only being used currently in South Azerbaijani, but it also have been used for many centuries in North Azerbaijani too. So it is not a secondary script, but the original and most used one.

For more information about this language and its differences with North Azerbaijani, please look at this page.


Arguments in favour

  1. Support We want to have southazerbaijan wikipedia.--Southazerbaijan 20:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Elph (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support قاسم منصور (talk) 21:15, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Tilimxanli (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support -- Supermæn (talk) 13:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support--Baskervill 09:50, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
  7. Supportمحک (talk) 10:36, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  8. SupportAmir a57 (talk) 07:11, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello Dear Turkish part of the Turkish branch of that unfortunately there is no Turkish language Wikipedia And for the Wikipedia could be used all the Turkic-speaking Iranian Enabled for both of the Qashqai happily Azerbaijanis among the most active wiki wiki experiment So far more than 1000 articlesAmir a57 (talk) 17:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 08:38, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Arabic part users (in Azwiki) live in South Azerbaijan and used arabic script for writen. We are willing to open own Wikipedia for many of the issues ( 20072008 2009 2011 2012 & az:İstifadəçi müzakirəsi:Mehrdad/arxiv02& az:Vikipediya:Səsvermə/Bir viki iki əlifba) We wrote about them in Requests for comment/User:[email protected] and Language committee talk page. Unfortunately we were unable to resolve the problem. We now want to provide the opportunity for us to work on our own Wikipedia.--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 11:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support .Aht 61 (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support Native speakers of South Azerbaijani have the competency and willingness to contribute to this project in the long-term. It is spoken in 9 countries. The vocabulary differences between South Azerbaijani and North Azerbaijani can be seen here. --Jose77 (talk) 07:48, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support I was against this before, but now I support it. Iranian Azerbaijanis usually cannot read and write in latin script and the current Azerbaijani wikipedia is practically useless to them. We can implement Automatic Translation to arabic script in Azerbaijani wikipedia (I'm working on it), but it just enables them to read and the ability to write and contirbute is still missing. Also opening separate wikis for different scripts in other languages, is done before. Like Kurdish wikipedia in two scripts and Persian and Tajik wikipedias (which is the same language in two scripts). Our south Azerbaijani language also has its ISO 639 code as an independent language, so it can have its own Wikipedia. موسا (talk) 01:01, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Support --Tadiranscopus (talk) 12:58, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  14. SupportElvinurmu (talk) 14:43, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Support--Caracas (talk) 17:36, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Support That a mixture of Persian and Azerbaijani language. A language different from the language of Azerbaijan Erlik.khan (talk) 18:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Support--Erdemaslancan (talk) 21:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Support--Urment (talk) 14:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Support-- In my opinion, Iranian Turks constitute a population of millions and it would be more convenient, particularly, for the people of Southern Azerbaijan to navigate Wikipedia in a context of Arabic Turkish (AZB) writing system because of their familiarity with the characters and codes --خزراوغلی (talk) 16:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
  20. Support-- Azerbaijani language is not exactly Turkish language. It is a branch of Turkish. The name of Azerbaijani language is Azərbaycan türkcəsi. 30 million of iranian people are communicating with this language. Owning of mother language is a minimum of human rights. Aztap (talk) 18:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  21. SupportAzerbaijani people speak a Turkic Azeri language-speaking country such as Azerbaijan, which is different from the Arabic alphabet to write-اوزون حسن آق قویونلو (talk) 15:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Support--Arjanizary I'm in favor of creating the South Azerbaijani language because of:
    The people who said the Azerbaijani language that is used now and it's enough for both Southern and Northern Azerbaijani, should know that the wiki is going to delete the Arabic script based pages. Also if we had it for both Latin and Arabic scripts, we should have each page in two script. So the pages will double.
    The other reason is that nowadays in South Azerbaijan Arabic script is mostly used. For example, in University of Tabriz, Arabic-based Azerbaijani language is taught. The poetries, for example Shahriar's, Karimi Maraghei and new poets poems, are written in Arabic-based Azerbaijani language. Arabic-based is more familiar than Latin-based because of Arabic language(Qur'an and Islam language) and Persian language(Iran National language).
    Another is that we have Egyptian Wiki,simultaneously ,Arabic wikipedia with same alphabet. Not only Kurdish Wiki isn't in both Latin and Arabic based wiki, but also it has Surani wiki. Add also Mazaruni, Gilaki, etc that is from Persian language but with separated wiki.
    Also North Azeri is mostly affected by Russian and English than any other languages, but South Azeri is mostly affected by Arabic and Persian than any other languages. For example the term kartof(potato) is Russian that used in everyday life of Northerners but Most Southerners don't know that word even if it's common word in everyday life. Southerners use the term یئر آلما that is turkic(The word didn't entered in South Azeri). Arjanizary (talk) 10:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Support--Asparux Xan Bulqar (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: About Opposers' arguments
    We can categorized the opposers into these groups:
    1. The Azerbaijani Wiki was written in both Arabic and Latin script, so we don't need to split it into two wikis. They(both Southerners and Northerners) understand both alphabet. We don't have another example of this. Iran Azerbaijanis understanf Farsi, so we don't need it.
    Supporters: TimBits, [[User:GerardM|GerardM],Htgns, Turk oğlan, Grandmaster, Parishan, Чръный человек, PPerviz, Companionship, and Cuman
    Answer: If Southern and Northern Azerbaijani is the same and we don't need another wiki, so why we have Egyptian Wiki when we have Arabic one. Both of them written in Arabic alphabet and both of them are Arabic. Why we have Bashkir, Turkmen, Uzbek, Kyrkiz, Azerbaijani wikis when we have Turkish one.
    2. Without Reason, Just Oppose. All of them are Turkic languge. A little difference in pronunciation. For example numbers in Turkish and Azerbaijani. Bir(=one), iki(=two) ,üç(=three) dört(dörd)(=four) ,beş(=five) ,altı(=six) ,yedi(yeddi)(=seven) ,sekiz(səkkiz)(=eight) ,dokuz(doqquz)(=nine) ,on(=ten). So we see that only difference is that in Turkish doubled letters not allowed. K in Turkish changed to Q in Azerbaijani. Ə in Azerbaijani changed to E in Turkish, and so on. Also Turkey and Azerbaijan separated by political reasons (USSR previously captured the Azerbaijan), and having both Turkish and Azerbaijani (also the others that mentioned above) are wrong! The French and English are very near language. So what? You should live in tjis area to know that most Iran Azerbaijanis don't know to understand latin alphabet. Please think about other aspects of this.
    Supporters: Sortilegus, Reality006, Sortilegus, Iroony, Verman1, Arslanteginghazi, Irada, KiViki, and Nazoki
    Answer: I recommend that they provide reasons.
    3.Now, not an opposer.
    Supporters: Erdemaslancan, Cekli829 ,and Ebrahimi-amir
    Answer: Nothing. Because they're not opposers now.
    The reason that written at first of this page shows everything:South Azerbaijan has changed and South Azerbaijan people cannot participate in azerbaijani wikipedia. So if we have to have both south and north Azerbaijani in one wiki, all pages should be in both scripts.
    I want language committee to prove and accept South Azerbaijani as soon as possible to let who know this language can have information about his/her language, communicate with others and at last I don't think it's out of Wiki's goals.
    Arjanizary (talk) 13:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Support AzbVikinin açılmasına etiraz etmirəm. Hesab edirəm ki, bu məsələ artıq zəruri bir tələbə çevrilmişdir. --►Safir yüzüklü Ceklimesaj 10:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Support Azerbaijani Turks are the second largest ethnic group in the Iran and not have an independent wiki; While smaller ethnic groups in this country have it! --Elmju (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  26. Support Changed my opinion . After a discussion with User:موسا , now I believe the matter of variations in writing is not a great problem at all . My problem in that Wiki was not because of language problems at all : that was only an excuse for blocking me .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 20:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  27. Support As per above opinions. People in that region use Arabic script and Latin script is not comprehensible to many. As Tojiki wikipedia exists alongside Farsi wikipedia, there is a need for those in Iranian Azerbaijan to have a wikipedia in their language and alphabet. Their number is huge and thereby necessitates such an initiative. It is ridiculous to have two articles in one wiki for the same topic, each in an alphabet. Sicaspi (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  28. Strongly Support, it's not about sharing the language (Wikipedia have even Simple English section), it's about separating the different scripts. It's not good when we see in one Project articles on Cyrillic, Latin and Arabic scripts. Especially Arabic.--Soul Train (talk) 06:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  29. Support As as Iranian from Persian background, I can't think of any reason why there should not be a wiki for Iranian Azerbaijanis. Good luck! -Darwin machine (talk) 03:42, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  30. Support I am suport Wikipedia South Azerbaijani Because According to this source, 15,500,000 in Iran (2010)[1] and Please Population Iranian Azerabijani see Azerbaijani people. Samaksasanian 18:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  31. Support we have history and names an we need to save our names and history and keep our national wealth in a bank .we save our wealth in this bank and the thieves dont Steal our names and history we need to keep our names and history .we are south azarbayjanian and we have Our historyand names .susan turk.we need to save our names and history by this language.we need bank to keep our wealth .we need and this language is our bank to save our names and our history.--Susan turk (talk) 12:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  32. Support south azarbaijani turki is branch of turki languages as like as turkmen and uzbeki and other turkish languages in all of the world, azb language in iran has approximately 14 milions speakers and this language has very rich literature, this language needs to have a independent it's own wikipedia pagelrc lori (talk) 18:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  33. Support south azarbaijani turki had 11 milion speakers in 2010 and this language has very rich literature this language needs to have it's own wikipedia pageLurvand (talk) 02:14, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  34. Support.E THP (talk) 08:41, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  35. Support we have history and names an we need to save our names and history and keep our national wealth in a bank .we save our wealth in this bank and the thieves dont Steal our names and history we need to keep our names and history .we are south azarbayjanian and we have Our history and names --Susan turk (talk) 09:45, 28 April 2014 (UTC).[reply]
  36. Support Southern Azerbaijanis language is too large differences with Azerbaijanis north. In addition, Iranian Azerbaijanis write Arabic letters that complicates the work northern Azeris. Keete 37
  37. Support --Araz Yaquboglu (talk) 04:16, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  38. Support --Lipridski (talk) 10:40, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  39. Support Azerbaijani language with Arabic script has not yet owned an indepedndent wikipedia and Azerbaijani people in Iran can not participate in existing AZ Wikipedia which has being used and supported by only Latin-alphabet users. I would like to ask admins about a little bit more acceleration in registering this wikipedia, while millions of Azerbaijani people in Iran are really waiting to see their language has been supported by world's leading encyclopaedia. Matreeks (talk) 10:29, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  40. Support --Seko Selimov (talk) 10:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  41. Support Because of: 1) North and south Azerbaijan has been separated from two centuries ago, so there are differences between south and north Azerbaijan Turkish. 2)Azwiki is planed for the Latin script; but in south Azerbaijan the Arabic script is being used which is totally different. This has caused a lot of problems in the Arabic script articles. 3)There are a lot of Russian words in north Azerbaijan Turkish that are not being used in south Azerbaijan at all. For these and the the other reasons, Azbwiki is needed. Ilğım (talk) 18:44, 7 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  42. Support southern azari had 13 milion speakers in 2002 and this language is very rich and it should have it's own wikipediaBonevarluri (talk) 01:34, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  43. Strongly Support, azari turkish is one of rich language and has many text in this language and has 15 milions speakers in iran and it needs to has it's own wikipedia page please help to creat this wiki.Mehramooz (talk) 02:06, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  44. Support Pages with Turko-Arabic script are going to be deleted from Azerbaijani Wiki and also there is a lack of familiarity with Latin alphabet in south Azerbaijan so South Azerbaijani Wikipedia must be accepted. I think the opposers must avoid from politicization of the issue with respect to domestic issues of Iran.--Arslanteginghazi (talk) 10:17, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  45. Support --SiLveRLeaD (talk) 19:00, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  46. Support --Koroğlu (talk) 11:35, 4 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  47. Strongly Support There are 30 million southern Azeris who's trying to survive Persian assimilation. They have a different culture, and alphabet from original Azeri. They can't understand Azeri Latin alphabet since Iran uses Arabic script. There must be people who can't speak Persian, because of local Azeri dense- population. They need a Wikipedia too.--Kafkasmurat (talk) 11:44, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  48. Support -- Fenerli1978 (talk) 15:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  49. Support -- ANADOLU (talk) 17:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  50. Support -- I strongly support this wiki... Kurdbuddha (talk) 17:38, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  51. Support -- This incubator project already has over 3500 articles and is maintaining a high amount of activity, I dont really understand why the Iranian Azeris can’t have a Wikipedia in their own script if we have a Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian and Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia, and there all considered just dialects of the same Serbo-Croatian language. Most the various dialects of Italy (Neapolitan, Corsican, Lombard, Ligurean, Piedmontese) and Germany (Alemannisch, Bavarian) have their own Wikipedia, despite the fact that they are over 95% mutually intelligible with each other and written in the same script, why is Wikipedia’s standard for the languages of the Middle East is so disproportionately different from he languages of Europe . Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 02:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  52. Support -- Azerbaijanis living in Iran are the largest ethnic group. Should not be allowed to forget their native language! --Şeyx Şamil (talk) 16:11, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  53. Support I think the project will be localization of in 6000 page. --Uğurkenttalk 14:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  54. Support--Serk@nl@nd 12:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
  55. Support--Zaur Turan(1994) (talk) 15:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  56. Support --Mjbmr (discussion • contribs) 05:04, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  57. Support -- Azerbaijani Turks in Iran deserve their own wikipedia.--Kim Yushin (talk) 13:10, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  58. Support. I agree with 41st comment. --Esc2003 (talk) 14:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  59. Support. We don't understand Arabic script here in Azerbaijan Republic and many of South Azerbaijanis can't understand Latin alphabet. That's why we have deleted all articles which were written in Arabic script in az-wiki. So new project is needed for South Azerbaijani language.--Wertuose (talk) 09:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  60. Support. -- ■ Sultan mesaj 17:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  61. Support.--Namikilisu (talk) 18:31, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  62. SupportBel' bir vikipediyanın yaradılmasına çox ehtiyac var. Lakin bir şərtlə ki, bu viki azb.wikipedia.org adlansa Meta tay bizim adımızı durub az.wikipedia.org-dan hər hansısa başqa bir ada dəyişməsin. Ərəb əlifbasında spesifik hərflər var deyə 1 vikidə 2 əlifba, yəni pəncərə sistemi alınmadı, ona görə də yeganə çıxış yolu məncə də azb vikinin yaradılmasıdır.--Samral (talk) 09:46, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  63. Support I agree. Ghvinotsdaati 14:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  64. Support--Sortilegus (talk) 19:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments against

  1. Oppose This proposal does not conform to the Language proposal policy and a similar request has been rejected before. Currently wikipedia in Azerbaijani language is functioning and both written forms are being used. --TimBits 00:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    The rejection was prior to the start of the language committee. When South Azerbaijani is indeeed sufficiently different, it should be accepted. When you state that "both written forms" are used, it does not make clear that you are indeed talking about South Azerbaijani. Thanks, GerardM 12:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    South Azerbaijani refers to Azerbaijani language written in Perso-Arabic script, as it is used in Iran. Languages written with multiple scripts are incorporated under one project, according to the above sited policy and it has been done in the current Azerbaijani language wikipedia. In fact, the previous request has not been rejected, it was cancelled. But it wouldn't be allowed in the first place, if the policy was in affect when the request was made, which applies to the current request too. --TimBits 06:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    The split of Azerbaijani in parts is not in two but in five. Consequently it is not only but also about South Azerbaijani. Would you consider these other three also part of the az domain ? Thanks, GerardM 12:39, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the way ethnologue prefers to divide. But linguistics is not an exact scince. There may be certain justifications for such division, I don't know, but there are several shortcomings too. For example these are treated as five equal varities of one language. In fact other three exist because of geographical reasons, speakers of these varieties are geographically separated from the main body of Azerbaijani speakers. But North Azerbaijani and South Azerbaijani are not separated as such and there is a gradual shift in dialect. Both have subdialects and one can compare two particular dialects, but it is impossible to compare North Azerbaijani as whole to South Azerbaijani. Dialects that are across the border are closer to each other than they are to other dialects within their side. Therefore, there is only one feature that can be objectively applied to these varities as a whole and that is one uses Arabic based script, while the other uses Latin based one. --TimBits 02:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    From what I understand of South Azeri a new Wikipedia isn't needed. Is it possible however to implement automatic conversion? Like is done on kk: and tg:?--Htgns 21:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    It is simply idiotism - Latin, Arabic scripts, and also don't forget that those Azerbaijani people who live in Dagestan, mostly using Cyrillic script. And then what? Doing 3 scripts in one project?--Soul Train (talk) 08:39, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Azerbaijani language is written in two scripts. So, one wiki is good. No need for a new one. Will be a useless project, and is illogical, as one language should have one wiki.--TimBits (talk) 01:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)--TimBits (talk) 01:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    From that view, French, Italian and Spanish isn't neeeded. They were the same a few thousand year ago. Just a converter is needed? Why is a New Wikipedia disturbs you? It won't cause any problem, but the good of millions of people. --Kafkasmurat (talk) 19:54, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Those are different languages, Azerbaijani is not. It is only written using different scripts. Thus, one wiki.--TimBits (talk) 01:49, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose i'm from southern azerbaijan and aktiv user in Azerbaijan wikipedia's. south and north azerbaijanies are equal.My page in azwiki.People of the South understand the both alphabet.in the azerbaijan wikipedia is used both alfabet.--Turk oğlan 22:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose i'm from southern azerbaijan and activ user in Azerbaijan wikipedia's. south and north azerbaijanies are equal. My page in azwiki.--Axan.bulut 11:15, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose--Sortilegus 14:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose It is one and the same language, why do we need 2 wikis for the same language? Grandmaster 19:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose We have the Kurdish Wikipedia functioning in Roman and Arabic scripts, we have the Tajik Wikipedia functioning in Cyrillic and Roman scripts, why can't the Azerbaijani Wikipedia function in Roman and Arabic scripts too? The script is the only substantial difference between varieties of Azerbaijani spoken in the Caucasus and Iran. Parishan 02:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  6. oppose--Reality006 23:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose...where is south azerbaijan?!?you mean iranian azerbaijan?--Iroony 16:08, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  8. OpposeSouth Azerbaijani is a part of Azerbaijani language. Why do we need 2 wikis for the same language?...iranian azerbaijan is south azerbaijan --Cuman 15:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Oppose-- Based on what Language subcommittee said for Montenegrin language: "Wikis should not be split along political lines. And Wikimedia Foundation's goal is giving every single person free, unbiased access to the sum of all human knowledge, and not information from individual political communities." The two dialects of Azeri only have little difference in vocabulary but they are one language therefore the language policy allows for only one Wikipedia for a language--Companionship 07:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  10. oppose. I see no reason to create second azerbaidjanian wikipedia when existing wiki is poor quality. ~ Чръный человек 12:23, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose I see nothing wrong with az:wiki to warrant a split Wikipedia like this, nor do I see much of a difference in language. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 19:51, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    oppose --Cekli829 07:12, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    oppose Please attantion to [2] and [3] --Ebrahimi-amir 05:15, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    oppose --N KOziTalk 06:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  11. oppose --U.Steele 19:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Oppose Most of Iranian Azarbayjani people can speak persian (Farsi), it's not necessary. --Faramarzreply 10:23, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    And a great number of Iranian know English, so we don't even need Persian wikipedia! --Arjanizary (talk) 14:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The most nonsense reason of all. Based on this logic, the Esperanto, Volapuk, Catalan, Kazakh, Uyghur, Tajik, Kurdish, Portuguese, Zazaki, and many more Wikipedias should not have been created! موسا (talk) 12:45, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  13. oppose--Verman1 12:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Oppose I'm from South Azerbaijan, and I think that all Turkic languages like Azerbaijani and Turkish are the same; so let alone Azerbaijani! Wikipedia must be able to convert the both scripts of Azerbaijani Turkic to each other. For instant you can use the solution of site like kocurge.com or software as AzConvert in wikipedia. --KiViki 07:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Oppose --Irada 11:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose--Arslanteginghazi 05:23, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Strongly oppose It's same language. Second wiki for Azerbaijani language is unnecessary.--PPerviz 12:56, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Answered above also under درفش کاویانی's claim. --Arjanizary (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose--Erdemaslancan 12:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose. There is no empirical evidence of Iranian Azeri being substantially different from Caucasus Azeri, other than the writing system. The current Azerbaijani Wikipedia has a big number of articles rendered in the Arabic script for which links are provided in respective Latin-script articles, and I personally believe this was the best way to integrate both forms. Unless it is proven that the literary standard differs for them, there is no point having this project. Parishan (talk) 00:32, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose I see no reason to create second azerbaidjanian wikipedia when existing wiki is poor quality. Darafsh Kaviyani (Talk) 11:57, 19 January 2013 (UTC) Assume good faith :-) Darafsh Kaviyani (Talk) 06:31, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I think labeling other wiki's doesn't seems cool. We also have Egyptian Wiki that is only a spoken version of Arabic language. Also we have many Kurdish wiki's. (See here for more info. --Arjanizary (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose This is not an official language and is a local language that have not specific rules and one of the results of this wiki's creat is disputes among its users. --Elmju (talk) 10:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Being an official language isn't a parameter to be a real wiki. For example Mazandarani, Gilaki and other wiki's in Iran aren't official language, aren't they? --Arjanizary (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose My opposition has practical examples : this spoken language does not have an established way of writing and present protocol of script does not cover an acceptable percent of the people who speak in this language .I'm from Iranian Azerbaijan ( synonymous with so called South Azerbaijan ) and I did my best to contribute in this test wiki, the result was administrators of this wiki asked me not to participate because I can't write down in this language . Because of this problem they also blocked me and only after intervention of upper administrators they unblocked me but still preparing to block me again . The local variant that they use , is a modified version of Urmia supplemented with Turkish of Turkey : It is not a real and genuine script.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:40, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    South Azerbaijani has it's own grammar. His dictation and writing in standard South Azerbaijani is weak (en:orthography). His all contributions is at talk pages. He also changed a article name without any discussion at his first step to contribute az Wp/azb test wiki. His block is wrong and he was unblocked only 2 hours. For other info about the grammar in South Azerbaijani see Wp/azb main page or ask me. --Arjanizary (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you please show us the consensus about standard South Azerbaijani ?! As I know , only a group of ultra nationalist writers in a single magazine ( Warliq ) recently adopted a protocol for writing the spoken Azerbaijani : there has been no consensus about their opinion and that group's opinion was heavily under the influence of pro-Turkish writers that insist the Azeri and Turkish are dialects of one language . Anyway , my previous block in Wp/azb was because I was pointing the fact that the script of the word Azerbaijan is the common old familiar form used in the old sources , but the administrative group of Wp/azb keeps to block and mock me because they think their new way of writing down the language is correct . --Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Oppose Where is South Azerbaijan? Is that a place or a location or any special language which I never heard before!?Kamix (talk) 01:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    South Azerbaijani is mentioned at Ethnologue and Sil websites. It's local name is 'تورکجه' that mentioned at request.
    Comment First I should say that South Azerbaijani language is a literary language. You can see a number of books written in the language here. A number of writers have written in this language are trying to become a member of PEN International http://pensouthazerbaijan.info/ . Also seminars to develop the language is formed. Wikipedia editors based on the latest decisions of the organization's work [4]. Operators of these seminars are the best known writers of South Azerbaijan [5].
    Second, those who claim that this language does not deserve a separate Wikipedia? And why? They were trying to disrupt the work of Wp/azb. But when it failed to come up here to try another way.I've already informed about this group [6]. They are people who are looking for Azerbaijanian Turkish deleted. Because they think it is a racist demands:
    "Sometimes we hear some dire things from Azerbaijan that shows the influence of Pan-Turkism ideas. Some people say that the lessons should be taught in Turkish language in Schools of Azerbaijan region. This shows the spreading of racist thoughts. Don't these people ask from themselves that in which multi-ethnical country, teaching in states are done in local language? That Iran should be the second?" en:Pirouz Mojtahedzadeh, Ettelaat newspaper, 1377/10/22, No. 22106
    You can get more information from the link that is on top. I hope I could clearly give information about recent disagreements. Thanks a lot.--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment on Comment , As the above two paragraph tends to be an answer for my question of consensus about standard South Azerbaijani, I want to repeat basic questions of : where is consensus ? Who says one single seminar of Dr hayat et al is the ultimate solution of orthography ? How many of that books that you mentioned to be written in South Azerbaijani , is written by that seminar recommendations ? The second part of your comment do shows that you are looking to Wikipedia as a soup box : can't you see it is simple and clear incoherency? --Alborz Fallah (talk) 22:39, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment I have two questions: 1- Some opponents say:"where is south azerbaijan?" If you do not know where South Azerbaijan so why write about this idea? 2- Can you show consensus about Farsi or Mazandarani and.... language spelling that is written with the Arabic alphabet? If you believe this I will give several examples for the violation.--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 05:12, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Dear Alborz;
    You even can not speak in Azerbaijani language. What is the reason you are arguing about something which it is not familiar to you?
    Please dear Alborz, do not bother people. You can do your "Anti Azerbaijan" activities inside the your country, not in Wikipedia.
    Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia. I just tried to waching your User talk history on Wikipedia. Does not matter in which language (Persian, English or Azerbaijani). All of your activities are just and just an ANTI AZERBAIJAN political activity!
    Maybe this is a "Persian vandalism" activity in Wikipedia which that is a part of Iranian cyber army's job.
    Anyway, this is my pesonal idea about you. I have more reasons for that. Because your Wikipedia activities is not jus about Azerbaijan. You are doing that about other nationalities in Iran. Like Iranian Arabs or Iranian Kurds. Aztap (talk) 20:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    We are talking about the reasons to add a new language : not about me . This is not a forum.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 09:51, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Discrepancies must be reasonable not based on a hostile thoughts. You write "consensus about standard South Azerbaijani" while you use a Farsi (Persian) and you aware of the characteristics of the Arabic alphabet. For example, there are 8 type of spelling the word "Azerbaijanis" (excluding dialects) in the Persian language (Minimum):
    "آزربایجانیها" [7]
    "آزربایجانی ها" [8]
    " آزربایجانی‌ها" [9]
    "آزربایجانیان" [10]
    "آذربایجانیها" [11]
    "آذربایجانی ها" [12]
    "آذربایجانی‌ها" [13]
    "آذربایجانیان" [14]
    If we increase the difference between "ي" and "ی", we will be faced with 16 different spelling of a word in Farsi language!--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 11:02, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment for the admin:I think the admins can consider above section to be hidden by collapse text template : mybe it is too long and maybe it is kind of irrelevent ...--Alborz Fallah (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    What is your suggestion? Sicaspi (talk) 20:30, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    This discussion is very useful for others. Any disagreement or agreement must be reasonable.--Ebrahimi-amir (talk) 06:21, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Oppose --E-citizen (talk) 11:21, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Oppose--Orxan Zakir (talk) 17:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Oppose. Əlifba fərqli olsa da, dil eynidir.--A.Zakirqızı (talk) 17:55, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Bu ikı dıl də bir dir [15] va[16] ərbcə və latıncə bızım cənub və şumal ləhəcə sində fərqlər var habelə bu ikı kürdü viki ki dıl bırdı ləhəcə fərqi lık vardır--Amir a57 (talk) 14:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  21. Strongly oppose. There is only one Azerbaijani language. Yes, there is some dialects in Iran and some regions of Azerbaijan, but the language is the same. And it is not a reason to create a lot of languages about the dialects of one languages. In the current Azerbaijani Wikipedia there are articles in Arabic alphabet, so Southern Azerbaijanis can easily participate in az.wikipedia.org. --Interfase (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    The languages are not the same! There are lots of vocabulary differences. The names of the week days, the names of months, all the scientific names, all the cultural names are different. The only similarity is the grammar and the primary words. The difference of South and North Azeri, if not greater, is not smaller than the difference of Turkish and Azerbaijani. Even the name of the language itself is different. In South Azeri it's been called (تورکجه-Türkcə or تورک دیلی-Türk dili) but in the North Azeri it is called (Azəri or Azərbaycan dili). I can bring you hundreds of examples if you want. موسا (talk) 16:40, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Oppose. A transcription system should be created as in Uzbek and Kazakh Wikipedias. --Мурад 97 (talk) 21:55, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    There is yet no transcription system which to be able to convert Latin to Arabic and vise versa without mistakes. It is to say like this that we do not need any other wikipedias than English wikipedia, while we can translate and convert English to all other languages by means of google translate and other automatic translators and so only English wikipedia is enough! We know that all automatic translators do unacceptable mistakes. Transcription systems also do mistakes, if not more than translators but not less too. Another even more important problem is that which script will be base? Latin will be base or Arabic? If Latin, then nobody whose script is Arabic will be able to edit in wikipedia and millions of people should come here only to read wiki like a weblog withouth any editing! and vise versa. And also communicating in discussion pages could be a big problem in this case and interwiki links too. Matreeks (talk) 10:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose --Esc2003 (talk) 05:17, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  23. oppose if az: actually uses both arabic and latin scripts, why would you create an azb wiki? there is a discussion on the langcom mailing list this may and it includes the issue of az: wiki's script conflict. Vincentangeles005 (talk) 13:53, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment but all arabic script articles in az wiki ( 12000 articles) was deleted last month and now az wikipedia just use latin script. please update your infoes before oppose comment.--Koroğlu (talk) 17:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Dear Vincentangeles005, as it's stated above we deleted all articles in Arabic script from az-wiki. Please read my comment in Support section of this page and my appeal on Langcom's talk page.--Wertuose (talk) 19:00, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Please clarify the desired settings. Do you really want to have a namespace whose name is the equivalent of "Main Page"? --MF-W 22:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone here? --MF-W 10:39, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
hi thank you for Approval and what is your meaning of namespace? --Koroğlu (talk) 13:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See the settings table on top of the page and mw:Help:Namespaces. --MF-W 21:49, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
MF-W: Thanks, already done, see the history. Mjbmr (discussion • contribs) 22:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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