Property talk:P8529
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Australia and New Zealand Standard Research Classification 2020 identifier for a field of research
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8529#Format, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8529#Unique value, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8529#Scope, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8529#Entity types
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8529#Type Q11862829, Q2465832, Q1047113, Q151885, Q109551565, Q34770, Q2996394, Q79529, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8529#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL
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Violations query:
SELECT ?item ?for ?itemLabel ?miditem ?mid ?miditemLabel { ?item wdt:P8529 ?for . BIND (SUBSTR(?for,1,STRLEN(?for)-2) AS ?mid) ?miditem wdt:P8529 ?mid . MINUS {?item wdt:P361*List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P8529#specific codes should be part of or subclasses of higher level codes
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Problem with identifier
edit@Pamputt: and @99of9: I've been doing some Mix'n'Match for this identifier since the latter drew my attention to it last night. In MnM I clicked through on the ANZSRC 2020 FoR ID, expecting to be taken to a page relating to the individual subject area, but instead I landed on its homepage. Next I checked a single Wikidata item – experimental mathematics (Q923592) – and found an error (!) for a constraint, but also, and of greater concern, the ANZSRC 2020 FoR ID was not clickable. Finally, and belatedly, I checked the three examples given in the ID's proposal and they too are not clickable from the individual Q items. I believe there must be a problem with the way Wikidata ID has been mapped, if that's the correct term. I will pause my MnM until I receive clarification.--Oronsay (talk) 20:37, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Oronsay: there is no URL for this property; that's why there is no link. If we take dentistry (Q12128) as an example, which URL would you point to? Pamputt (talk) 20:58, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Pamputt: I'm sorry. I had thought that Identifiers always had a URL. I can suggest no solution to the question you pose me. I was merely pointing out what I perceived to be a problem.--Oronsay (talk)
- @Oronsay: Ok no worry. It may happen that there is no URL when a property is created and that an URL appears after that. If so it is possible to add it. Otherwise, it is not a problem that an external identifier has no URL. So you can continue to match with Mix'n'Match :D Pamputt (talk) 21:19, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Oronsay, Pamputt: Yes, it is always sad to find an identifier without an associated URL. Often it means that they'll be less useful. But since this is the most important code for categorising Australian research, I'm confident that it will have lasting usefulness, (and expect that someone will oneday make a URL for it). Thanks for helping on MnM! --99of9 (talk) 23:49, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Oronsay: Ok no worry. It may happen that there is no URL when a property is created and that an URL appears after that. If so it is possible to add it. Otherwise, it is not a problem that an external identifier has no URL. So you can continue to match with Mix'n'Match :D Pamputt (talk) 21:19, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Pamputt: I'm sorry. I had thought that Identifiers always had a URL. I can suggest no solution to the question you pose me. I was merely pointing out what I perceived to be a problem.--Oronsay (talk)
Attempting to complete this property
editA small group of editors has been discussing this property and the related property ANZSRC 2008 FoR ID (P5922). We would like to get these controlled vocabularies completely matched in Wikidata so that they can be used to assist in discovery of NZ and Aus research. Pinging @99of9:, @Zeborah:, @Pru.mitchell: and @Ambrosia10: who have been involved. Some of us are working on an upload of dissertations from New Zealand which will make use of the ANZSRC vocabularies for main subject statements (there is no project page for that work yet but if you are interested to know more please ask!).
Our impression was that these vocabularies have not been mapped completely because of uncertainty about how to deal with some issues. We discussed this by video call and have agreed the following. I am posting here to advise other editors of what we have decided.
1. The vocabularies include 2/4/6 digit codes. It was intended by ANZSRC that only the 6 digit ones would be applied to documents and the 2 & 4 digit codes are administrative, but we will map them all as libraries are using them all.
2. We discussed how to deal with complex items. We agreed that we will create new Wikidata items for complex terms, with "has part" to relate them to the individual terms. There is discretion not to do this though, for instance we looked at the ANZSRC term "geriatrics and gerontology". In Wikidata geriatrics is a subclass of gerontology, so we felt it made sense to map the term to gerontology rather than create a new combined term. We also looked at an example (orthopedics) where there are two more or less identical Wikidata items, with a "said to be the same as" statement, and in choosing which to use we were swayed by the number of other identifiers each had, and which one included the relevant English Wikipedia article.
3. We added the qualifier "named as" to the identifier statement, so we can see the Wikidata and ANZSRC terms side-by-side (an approach already in use with other controlled vocabularies).
4. We discussed the "not elsewhere classified" (NEC) terms, and felt on balance they should be included, as they are used quite often. We think it is generally appropriate to map them to the broader concept they are part of. That would mean a Wikidata item might have both a 4 digit code and a 6 digit NEC code applied to it. Within the dissertations project there could be some work after the data upload to find dissertations mapped to NEC categories and adjust their main subjects where better terms exist.
5. We agreed on an approach for indigenous research items: make an item for each. Then make them a “subclass of” both e.g. “astronomy and cosmology” and also of “Māori knowledge systems”.
We welcome comments, discussion, ideas from other interested editors, and invite you to help complete the Mix'n'Match catalogues 2008 and 2020 with us. You can reply here or contact me, DrThneed (talk) 01:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC).