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Bejeweled Stars

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I don't see any indication that this is notable. I went BEFORE but found no reviews at all, except this [1] [2] [3] but its not enough. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 05:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The 2nd & 3rd sources presented by nominator are reviews from VGRS, here is a third one which is enough for WP:GNG Jumpytoo Talk 06:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melee (game terminology)

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Appears to be pure WP:DICDEF, WP:SYNTH or original research. There is no significant coverage about the use of the term "melee" in games that passes notability standards, it appears. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Video games and Games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep and expand/improve. The historical context provided already clearly goes beyond a dicdef, and it would be astonishing if there were not more sources for this concept, in light of the popularity of games using such a system. BD2412 T 15:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the reasoning of BD2412, and I suspect I could have said the same of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melee weapon if I had noticed that discussion. BOZ (talk) 16:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, those sources have not been demonstrated. Saying you assume sources will be discovered sometime in the future is not a sufficient rationale. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Google Scholar returns 21,400 hits for a search for "melee in role playing games" (notably, some specifically reference Super Smash Bros. Melee, which is a melee-themed fighting game with popular Nintendo characters, not yet mentioned in this article). BD2412 T 04:26, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While melee is commonly used as a term in gaming and I cannot deny that, I cannot find evidence that the term is notable in itself. Wikipedia is not a dictionary or a slang book. A term has to pass GNG to have an article. Simply being used as part of an unrelated scholarly paper is an incidental and trivial use.

In terms of SSB Melee, the word is used to reference its original meaning of a physical fight. It doesn't have anything to do with the game terminology described in this article. The subsequent game is called "Brawl", also meaning a physical fight.

The best I can see for this article is being redirected to Role-playing game terms or Glossary of video game terms like many similar articles of its kind have been. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Game Sack

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I enjoy the channel a bunch, but this is non-notable stuff. The article reads like a well-compiled collection of trivial mentions and scarcely any of the citations are significant and in-depth enough to provide reliable background about the creators and establish why their channel and its content is notable. Most citations are passing mentions in unrelated articles, like Scott Wozniak citing them in a list of influences or HG101 briefly mentioning a video of theirs exists. There's just not enough about the channel as the primary subject matter of the citations. A quick search for reliable coverage only yields the Vice article on their hiatus. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unfortunate delete. Only SigCov is aforementioned Vice article, and a search only gave me a bunch of football shite. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable and not receiving significant coverage. The sources provided seem pretty sketchy, too. --My Pants Metal (talk) 19:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable and insignificant coverage. MimirIsSmart (talk) 02:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Godzilla: Monster of Monsters

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Fails WP:NGAME and likely falls under WP:FANCRUFT. Summary-only description of the game, with only one reference, which is about the creepypasta, not the game itself. The rest of the article is completely unsourced and provides no evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Coverage on Google Books and Google Scholar is limited to WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs, most of which are about the creepypasta, which I would argue is more notable, though it probably still doesn't meet WP:GNG. Nothing at all on JSTOR. Should redirect to List of Godzilla games. Masskito (talk)

Similar issues to MoM, this time with no references at all, also fails NGAME, with nothing at all on Google Books, Google Scholar, or JSTOR. Proposing same redirect to List of Godzilla games. Masskito (talk)

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Keep Godzilla: Monster of Monsters - sizable reviews in fr:Player One (magazine): [4], Mean Machines: [5] (pages 84-86), Electronic Gaming Monthly: [6]. Enough for WP:GNG. Also smaller reviews in pt:VideoGame: [7], Nintendo Power: [8]. Redirect Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters to Godzilla: Monster of Monsters#Sequel - didn't find any reviews or significant coverage for this game. --Mika1h (talk) 12:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I found one review for Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters. [9],[10] Timur9008 (talk) 18:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the sources found by Mika1h. It's weak, but there's enough for this game to pass the notability bar. Godzilla 2 should likely be Merged with Monster of Monsters given their overlap, with any Reception for War of the Monsters covered there. If anything more for the sequel comes up, ping me and I'll change my vote, but for now I feel that Mika1h's assessment is entirely accurate to how I feel on the matter. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 03:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 02:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Araya (video game)

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Fails WP:GNG. Bloody Disgusting ref is a news announcement, not significant coverage. Reviews in azralynn.com and the two additional reviews listed at Mobygames: [11] (Brash Games, GameAwards.ru) are self published sources, no indication that they are reliable. Brash Games is also listed as unreliable at WP:VG/S. Mika1h (talk) 18:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Plenty of in-depth coverage in Thai[12][13][14], including a scoop on Thai PBS [15]. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte ^👸♥ 19:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Two of the articles listed are interviews but one is in-depth in its non-quote content as well, and the first is very thorough. This meets WP:THREE and should be kept given presence of Thai sources. Most of article currently is a long plot summary but at the very least a well-sourced short article could be written on this. Mrfoogles (talk) 19:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chao (Sonic the Hedgehog)

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Looking over the sources, even those on the talk page, they're all pretty trivial or short statements. Chao on their own are an interesting concept, but there's less said about them as their own thing as a fictional species and more as a minigame aspect of the Sonic the Hedgehog series, and even as that game mechanic the conversation feels lacking and non-notable.

Even doing a WP:BEFORE I didn't find anything to dissuade that opinion. Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters. No independent notability of the subject, but surprisingly the Chao aren't actually on the list yet (And linked at Chaos for some reason? I get he's a mutated Chao but beyond that there's very little association.) Several detailed searches have been done in the past and turned up nothing but review quotes or similar, and many of the current refs constitute as Wikipedia:Trivial mentions. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect I do think that the Chao Garden itself is marginally notable. [16] [17] [18] However, this article is unsalvageable and would require a total rewrite to fulfill notability, centered around the minigame rather than the actual creatures. It shouldn't be left as-is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article's state is dreadful, but the Chao / Chao Garden definitely meet notability requirements. From a quick Google search I found a Nintendo Life feature, two articles on a Chao-inspired game, multiple articles on Iizuka's announcement there wouldn't be a standalone Chao game ([19][20], [21]), and a few articles on a Chao Garden fan game (Polygon, Kotaku), all filled with commentary that could be integrated in this article. It might be worth reworking this into a Chao Garden-focused article instead of having it as a Chao article, as sources more describe the mode as a whole than the characters specifically. JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 03:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Zx mentioned that also and I do agree, the mini game may have some notability. The chao themselves though, not so much, and this whole article would have to be rewritten to focus on Chao Garden.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Definitely a notable aspect of the Sonic the Hedgehog series with a good amount of independent sources. Article needs revisions to be a good article, but otherwise it's good to stay. MimirIsSmart (talk) 04:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:ITSNOTABLE. If you are referring to the above mentioned sources, the Chao themselves and the Chao Garden minigame are an important distinction. The article as currently written is all about Chao as a being and only slightly mentions the Chao Garden. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge then rename it into "Chao Garden" per above. I don't see any reason on why this article should remain, until some actual sigcov have been discovered. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 08:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Boneless Pizza. There doesn't appear to be WP:SIGCOV, but this can be WP:PRESERVEd somewhere. There also may be something to writing an article about an unreleased game. Shooterwalker (talk) 13:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you read the references I provided? There's definitely SIGCOV of the Chao Garden. JOE BRO ⁶⁴ 21:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge this material. This can definitely be repurposed, and there is room on Wikipedia as a fairly significant part of the Sonic series. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I don't see a consensus here yet, participants are divided between Merge and Keep. There is some confusion over whether this article is on "Chao" or "Chao Garden" and whether or not that distinction matters.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters#Chaos. The nom gives the same premise from the merge discussion 10 years ago: the mentions in the sources are trivial. The Chao Garden is best associated with Sonic Adventure 2 and any mention of the Chao Garden legacy/influence should first be mentioned within that article before warranting a split to a dedicated article. There is no indication above that the "Chao" article shouldn't redirect to the dedicated character section. czar 04:04, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crazy Bus

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Not notable besides its brief appearance on Angry Video Game Nerd. Fails WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Lacks notability. Gumboot! 🌵 ^(talk) 14:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This was deleted before with far less to establish notability (and I would have agreed). Having recreated the page, I would now argue that there is more notability to the game than just AVGN. The soundtrack is regarded by multiple outlets as notable for its bad quality, and a Venezuelan university report mentions its legacy of bringing attention to games in Venezuela. Whether AVGN promoting it led to more people paying attention shouldn't imo be a disqualifier. JSwift49 20:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: JSwift49 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]

Keep. A decent amount of sources demonstrated its independent notability, even if the article does require some rewrites to be in a more readable state.

By the way, article had been marked with copyright violations due to the article previously hosting lyrics to a song from Arthur which is obviously still copyrighted and the lyrics are still in article history. It has no effect on this article's deletion. MimirIsSmart (talk) 11:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Stuff about the soundtrack comes from Screenrant and CBR, sites long known as non-indicative of notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just added Vice and The Music soundtrack coverage as well. JSwift49 14:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
VICE doesn't seem half bad, but it only specifically points out the title theme, leaving open the question of whether it's actually coverage of the game itself. WP:SIGCOV "addresses the topic directly and in detail".

The Music is only a sentence or two. Not significant coverage. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The soundtrack was also featured on a 2022 episode of BBC Radio 3's 'Late Junction' program covering gaming soundtracks, though it is not possible to see what was specifically said about it. [22] JSwift49 14:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per JSwift49. Æ's old account wasn't working (talk) 23:31, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. There's very little actual substantive coverage, and what does exist isn't enough to build an article on. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 13:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The problem is that the game's notorious audio is well-known but the citations in the article do not provide much coverage of any other aspects of the game, little that there is. Most of the sources are listicles, which is fine, but their purpose and content is mostly alone to state that the menu music sucks. I don't think a passing academic reference is good evidence that it's brought attention to Venezuelan game development. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 09:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would argue that the basic coverage of other aspects of the game is to be expected, as the game is known for being exceedingly simple (drive the bus back and forth and honk the horn). So the soundtrack is the main aspect of notoriety, though you also have AVGN, the academic reference, Niconico News with dedicated coverage of the game at large, plus some of the listicles discussing the soundtrack also mention the gameplay.

Screen Rant says the game is "on the list of must-play games for YouTubers, Twitch streamers, and retro enthusiasts interested in the more bizarre parts of gaming history."
There were also two books/reference guides? in Japanese about CrazyBus written by the same person; however I could only find previews of a couple of pages.
- https://ndlsearch.ndl.go.jp/books/R100000002-I033434377
- https://ndlsearch.ndl.go.jp/books/R100000002-I033434354
JSwift49 14:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AVGN is non-RS per WP:VG/S unless it's widely reported that the AVGN review itself is notable. For the others, again, what mention there is of the game is trivial or not really reliable. Screen Rant mentions it very briefly in passing. And I can't see any evidence those books have anything to do with the game from the links supplied? ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But we have an academic source covering the AVGN interview, and Screen Rant additionally gives Crazy Bus five sentences on its list of worst soundtracks?

Re. the books, the page previews I found confirm they are about CrazyBus (they are both linked in the article). JSwift49 11:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep When the article was first created, I argued that there was enough coverage of the game by sources to warrant inclusion. The addition of further references demonstrates this. --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The Spanish Wikipedia article has seven references. Left guide (talk) 06:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep: According to Perennial Sources, ScreenRant is only marginally WP:RELIABLE and there's no consensus on Vice. That leaves only the BBC. Still, I'm all for giving this article a chance, especially if more and better sources can be found.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Game acclaimed for its low quality, recurrently appearing on worst of all time lists. [23], [24], [25]. Svartner (talk) 07:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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