Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 10

September 10

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 10, 2024.

Third Red Scare

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 00:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Third Red Scare → Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

2016 Russia was not Communist/Socialist/Marxist, nor notably perceived as such, therefore the redirected to article (Russian interference in the 2016 United States election)has loose association to the term 'red scare' Mason7512 (talk) 23:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Google shows that this term does not seem to be used for this. A number of places divide the more common "two" red scares into more scares, so the third red scare was back in the 40s or 50s or whatever. Some others talk about Bernie Sanders being the 3rd red scare, which I find ridiculous but whatever, and some others are talking about the 3rd red scare in relation to Korea. Russian Electoral Interference is a thing, especially with the more recent CONFIRMED interference recently, but as far as I can tell no one is referring to it as a Red Scare. Note that I don't particularly care if 2016 Russia was actually communist/socialist/marxist or whatever, just what people say... Capitalist Russia is still "red" in a lot of people's minds, and if they were to use the term I'd say keep. But it doesn't appear that this is used. Fieari (talk) 03:47, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Google Trends shows that something happened around January 31, 2024 which made this term appear briefly in searches, but not before or since. Probably one press writer or blog used it, and a properly time-delimited web search could probably find the specific article, but it isn't worth it, as the data shows it was likely just a nonce term. To put the searches even at that time into perspective, here's a comparison of searches for second red scare and first red scare for the last five years. (The late April periodicity for the former term is interesting—run-up to May Day?—but irrelevant for this discussion.) Delete as unused search term. Mathglot (talk) 21:50, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Baby oven

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baby oven → Neonatal intensive care unit#Incubator (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article and seems to be an implausible search term. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete and salt. what the fuck. what the fuck. what, and i feel the need to emphasize this last part so that it's not swept under the rug, the fuck. do i even need to describe what kind of result i got, and why i don't believe those were incubators? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I created this redirect a while ago. Not out of malace or "fuckery", but because I've heard people (and myself) refer to child incubators as "ovens" in China. Not as like actual baby cookers or whatnot but simply because it resembles one. I know saying "oh I've heard" isn't RS and since noone really uses such term according to viewcheckers I'm fine with it's deletion if need be, but no malace was meant with said creation. Zinderboff(talk) 21:12, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zinderboff, just as background: may I ask if you refer to them using the word oven while speaking or writing in English, as opposed to Chinese or some other language? Also, do you use the exact, two-word, English phrase baby oven, or perhaps just some part of it, such as, 'keep them warm in the oven for a while' ? Mathglot (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I use the both exact two-word phrase "baby oven" and just "oven" when speaking. For "baby oven" I used it more often before since I've been trying to improve my English these past few years, but many can understand just fine in context. For "oven" it is used quite often in context to mean incubators. Ovens means something along the lines of "tool what warms/heats things up", so I do say somethings along the line of "keep them warm in the oven for a while". For writing though there is luckily often the internet to check so I generally avoid using those terms to not seem illiterate and/or non-native to others. Zinderboff(talk) 21:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Out of curiosity, what's the Chinese term? I won't embarrass myself by disclosing my guesses so far but I either get nothing or I get pictures of countertop ovens. Oblivy (talk) 02:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've very quickly found two unrelated uses of this term - small ovens and pregnant women. Searching a bit deeper, there are a few hits of people describing incubators as looking like ovens, most of them aren't easy to cite (e.g. tiktok video summaries) but [1] (see comment at 01-26-2012, 11:33 PM) is one I can link to, but I can't defend a redirect to the present target based only on that. Thryduulf (talk) 23:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ooooh. yeah, that's fair. i guess delete but don't salt yet as "a little too obscure" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't be so quick to say "that's fair" based on a forum comment; after all, Thryduulf isn't prepared to, and rightly so. Forum comments are far from RSes; in addition they have many of the same weaknesses as spoken language does. Sounds to me like conflation with the colloquial (and somewhat passé) to have a bun in the oven. Freud wrote a whole book about parapraxes and related phenomena, and we don't really know what's going in the mind of the commenter, nor does it matter; speech and this type of spontaneous, unrevised, unedited writing are subject to all sorts of anomalies, and rightly should not be considered in searching for support for this. (And these days, autocorrect adds an additional, non-human scrambler into the mix, just making it worse.) Mathglot (talk) 20:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a source is reliable is not important for a redirect - all we need to do is verify that a term is used with a given meaning, which even forum posts can do. If we don't have reliable sources we can't add a mention to an article, sometimes that matters for the redirect sometimes it doesn't. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should mention that i only changed my vote to deleting and not salting (as opposed to not deleting), based on the somewhat more likely possibility of the ovens not being literal, but still not widespread enough in their usage to warrant keeping cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:58, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The vast majority of search results seem to refer to "baby kitchen" types of toys, which we don't seem to have any content on, making this a potential WP:RASTONISH if retargeted elsewhere. Somewhat related to cogsan's comments, a baby in oven redirect might be created for The Baby-Roast. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 02:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget it is an actual scene in the DCEU film The Flash with the horrible CG babies, and one in an oven that dings as being fully cooked (though not plugged in), when it lands ona gurney at the end of the action sequence. That particular sequence received much criticism both for the bad CG and the baby in the oven. So conceivably, someone could be searching for that movie. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 22:51, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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International Wrestling Hall of Fame

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Tobacco Tax Act

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Tobacco smoking#Taxation as supported by all participants. (non-admin closure) C F A 💬 20:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tobacco Tax Act → Excise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No "Tobacco Tax Act" is mentioned in the article article. Created by a blocked editor. Delete. -1ctinus📝🗨 17:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - While the exact string "Tobacco Tax Act" does not appear in the article, the article is, in very large part, about Tobacco Taxes in general. The fact that no country or region is specified means that we can't point to the Tobacco Tax act of any particular country... we'd need a disambiguator page that includes every country that has one of these things, which is likely to be most of the countries in the world, which seems a bit too much. I think this is the correct target for the term (as the WP:BROAD topic of the subject), but I'm open to other suggestions. Fieari (talk) 04:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to keep it (I still believe that the name is horrendously broad and sounds like a proper name despite not existing), I believe a more adequate target would be Tobacco smoking#Taxation. Cheers, -1ctinus📝🗨 13:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would not object to that target. Fieari (talk) 23:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Retarget or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 19:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete to encourage creation of the Canadian law by this name or Retarget to the proposed target (t · c) buidhe 01:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Poffin

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Puffin. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poffin → Gameplay of Pokémon#Pokéblocks and Poffins (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

as with pokéblocks, it's unmentioned in the target, and only mentioned in passing in the gen 4 games' articles (diamond and pearl, platinum, and brilliant diamond and shining pearl). they seem at least a little more notable than pokéblocks, so i guess put a pin on them for a few minutes cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:20, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

took a little more than a few minutes, but i found nothing good. the one potentially almost usable thing i found turned out to be two sentences stretched to two paragraphs, completely worthless in its content, and also wrong, as it says that poffins boost stats. delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:05, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Retarget to Puffin as this was a Middle English variant according to wiktionary. I'm also fine with deletion if my proposal is too much of a stretch. --Lenticel ^(talk) 08:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 19:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Puffin as a plausible typo/misnomer. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 23:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Holiday gift

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday gift → Christmas gift (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The term is ambiguous and could be referencing any number of possible holiday gifts. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:03, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

correct. delete per nom, and if i hear anyone using the "people have been referring to christmas season as 'holiday season'" argument, i won't actually be very surprised cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Google doesn't appear to ruturn mainly Christmas things, only a few results are obviously for Christmas, the sponsored at the top are mainly for accomodation and flights. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as vague --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Gift, which mentions holidays. This seems like a very plausible search term (and if this is redirect is kept then I suggest the closer also create a holiday present redirect with the same target). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Taze (rapper)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taze (rapper) → Russ Millions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:RDEL #2, 10. Misleading redirect. Taze is not Russ Millions, he only collaborated with him on in the same way he collaborate with other artists such as Geko (rapper). He also released his own EP and quite a number of singles, so the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article. Muhandes (talk) 16:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:21, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Buccal organ

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Medusa worm

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Loimia medusa. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Medusa worm → Sea cucumber (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

refers to synaptula lamperti, though the name isn't directly mentioned there. should it be retargeted to that, or left as is for now? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 15:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

note from the creator's talk page: it seems to also refer to loimia medusa, though that name isn't mentioned there at all. not sure if it refers to both, or if the one i suggested was just wrong cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Loimia medusa where I added a cited mention. It seems that Synaptula lamperti is called Medusa worm sea cucumber rather than just Medusa worm. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Glades (Arrowverse)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Glades (Arrowverse) → List of DC Universe locations#Cities of the DC Universe Earth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article. Found nowhere suitable to retarget. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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People food

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Human food. ✗plicit 14:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People food → Food (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

is this subject to enough different definitions of "people" to warrant not retargeting to human food? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to human food, given that the latter article exists and I've only ever heard "people food" used to distinguish food for people to eat from food for pets or livestock. A quick google finds only partial title matches like "white people food" and "poor people food" and I don't have time to investigate further atm. I wondered if it was used at all to refer to Soylent green but I can't find any evidence of that. Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to human food as a synonym used when distinguishing it from animal feed of whatever sort. Fieari (talk) 00:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Riot Diet

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 08:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Riot Diet → Yeule (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target article. DrowssapSMM 11:59, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and possibly refine. It is mentioned at Yeule#Early life and education section. There are no other uses I can find on en.wp. Thryduulf (talk) 13:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luar la L

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luar la L → Bad Bunny discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:RDEL #2, 10. Misleading redirect and a potential article. Luar La L is not Bad Bunny. While he has collaborated with Bad Bunny twice, he has also worked with many other artists, including three collaborations with Anuel AA. A red link is preferable to a misleading redirect. Muhandes (talk) 11:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:18, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ragg tuning fork

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Purgegamers

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Purgegamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Purge Gamers → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Kevin Godec after that article is restored. If that article survives this will be a useful redirect, if it's deleted at AfD this redirect will be eligible for G8 speedy deletion. There are no other targets I've found. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per #Kevin Godec. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:02, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Tavix. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kevin Godec

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Godec → Dota 2#Media coverage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert to the article without prejudice to AfD. This was BLARed in 2019 and a quick google search finds lots of sources post-dating that - I'm not immediately seeing anything clearly showing notability but someone who knows the topic area is better placed to judge (and to know where sources are likely to be found if they exist). Thryduulf (talk) 11:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Thryduulf's research showing a lack of notability. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My research does not show a lack of notability - it shows that the subject is neither clearly notable nor clearly not notable: more research is needed. I'm astounded by how often you manage to completely misinterpret my comments to say the opposite of what I intend when almost nobody else ever does. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then do more research and let us know what you find. I'm very amenable to restoring content that may be notable but you have not made such a case. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Tavix. Good example of a research WP:WOOPS right there. Steel1943 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tavix has either misunderstood or mischaracterised my comment. My research does not demonstrate either notability or lack of notability, it demonstrates more research is needed. Thryduulf (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understood it. You have convinced me that we should go ahead and delete this redirect and not bother taking this to AfD. Steel1943 (talk) 16:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your two most recent comments clearly indicate that you have not understood. Thryduulf (talk) 18:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert per Thryduulf. Cremastra (talk) 22:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

would returning to red be a good idea? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not without a discussion at AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Revert or Delete directly? Also notified of this discussion at the target talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 11:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete. per precedent with this type of discussion (see quackifier), there's no point in taking an undisputed blar to afd so it can get deleted there for the exact same reason that it would have been deleted here, and i believe that if someone wants to recreate the article with the info thryduulf allegedly found, they likely will cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The blar is disputed here. My research indicated that more research, by someone who is more familiar with the topic area, is needed to determine whether the subject is notable or not. That is very much not the same thing as "it will be deleted at AfD". I don't understand why this concept is so difficult to understand? Thryduulf (talk) 00:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the entire dispute is you stating that you found info that could probably suggest notability, and leaving it at that. i believe tavix was correct in asking you to look deeper into it to actually prove his notability, and later stating that you haven't done that. again, if someone wants an article on purge, they can (and probably should) start from scratch cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per everyone except Thryduulf. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Political attack

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 03:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Political attack → Ad hominem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Ambiguous (e.g. political violence). — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Even outside of political violence, not all political attacks are ad hominems... rhetorically attacking someone's policies or past performance certainly would count as a political attack, and would not be ad hominems, just as an example. I feel like there might be a proper target for negative political campaigning in general, a term that's just on the tip of my tongue, but I can't find it. Deletion might be appropriate, but I'm holding out hope someone can find a better target before it comes to that. That said, I definitely agree the current target is inappropriate. Fieari (talk) 07:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per reasoning above. Chuterix (talk) 09:55, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Negative campaigning, also the R target for Mudslinging. From my knowledge, this is the term that I hear most often when we talk about political attacks, if the term is intended to refer to negative campaigning within politics such as maybe Kier Starmer bringing up Rishi Sunak's non-dom status or Donald Trump campaigning against Hillary Clinton by raising her email controversy. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Ambiguous, as illustrated in the above discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 17:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as ambiguous. --Un assiolo (talk) 13:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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🆥

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Shaar

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The result of the discussion was move appropriately, retarget, and add a hatnote. (non-admin closure) C F A 💬 23:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shaar → Forgotten Realms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Note also Shaar (surname). 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:41, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Faerûn, which currently seems the best central target to me. Daranios (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Faerûn. BOZ (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is the D&D topic actually more relevant than the surname? 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:06, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If necessary, the edit history can be moved to Shaar (Forgotten Realms) and retargeted, while Shaar can become a disabmiguation page? BOZ (talk) 18:52, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I don't think the fictional region is more important than the surname. So shifting this to Shaar (Forgotten Realms), and disambiguating in some form or other is fine with me. Daranios (talk) 18:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move Shaar (surname) to Shaar as the clear primary topic when comparing the surname and D&D subjects. No objection to creating Shaar (Forgotten Realms) (though it would probably make more sense to create Shaar (Dungeons & Dragons) due to the parent topic/subtopic association) and/or placing a hatnote on the surname article referring to the D&D subject. (In other words, I do not believe we are at a point yet to create a disambiguation page for "Shaar"; putting a hatnote on the surname page is probably the best way to go about disambiguating for the time being.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move Shaar (surname) to Shaar per Steel1943. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus seems to be forming, but there is some debate around whether Shaar (surname) is the primary topic or if disambiguation is required. Clarification on where the current redirect should be moved to would also be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, C F A 💬 00:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move the current Shaar (to preserve the history) to Shaar (Dungeons & Dragons) as disambiguators should be as general as possible while still making sense and being different (although no strong objection to (Forgotten Realms)); and retarget that to Faerûn; and move Shaar (surname) to Shaar with an See also/hatnote linking to Faerûn. Which I think is close to the consensus above as well. Skynxnex (talk) 05:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense to me. BOZ (talk) 05:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per Skynxnex above, do all that. It makes sense. Fieari (talk) 05:35, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move per Skynxnex seems like the best solution in this case (t · c) buidhe 01:26, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

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