Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 26

October 26

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 26, 2024.

The ancient city

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to The Ancient City. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The ancient city → King's Field IV (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect is now in conflict with the article about the book "The Ancient City". I propose this redirect is removed and disambiguation is added to the article on the book. Nuclearelement (talk) 20:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget and add a hatnote per nom. Given the number of hatnotes at City#Ancient times (where Ancient city redirects) there is probably scope for a disambiguation page somewhere. Thryduulf (talk) 21:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would converting the "City#Ancient times" redirect to a disambiguation article be a good option here? Nuclearelement (talk) 02:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to the book or someplace else more suitable. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 23:58, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate, Ancient City should probably be a DAB and was one so "The ancient city" can go there per WP:DABNAME. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to The Ancient City. Due to WP:SMALLDETAILS, no disambiguation page appears to be required unless it is decided the book is not the primary topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I was going to retarget this redirect to The Ancient City but it looks like more complicated suggestions are being made here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate, given that there is also Ancient City (film), and City#Ancient times would not follow from a "The" as readily as the phrase "ancient city". BD2412 T 19:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: I have created Ancient city (disambiguation) for purposes of this discussion. BD2412 T 19:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I've adjusted the hatnote at City#Ancient times to point to that dab page. Thryduulf (talk) 12:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to The Ancient City as this would offer the least amount of confusion. JIP | Talk 08:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now that we've got Ancient city (disambiguation), I think we should refocus back to this RFD. I originally wanted this redirect deleted, but if that'll cause problems, then I agree to Retarget to The Ancient City Nuclearelement (talk) 07:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael J. Burns

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The result of the discussion was keep. At this point, the original concern is addressed. (non-admin closure) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael J. Burns → Alaska Permanent Fund (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There is no mention of "Michael" or "Burns" at the target article; people who use this search term would be unclear and confused on how the subject they searched for relates to the topic that they ended up on. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Web searches indicate that Burns was the former CEO of the target, but the redirect is unhelpful without a mention. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep now that a mention has been added. I will leave it up to others to determine if the mention is warranted. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - he is now listed on the target page; given a major building is named after him, it's valid. Perhaps in future we can try and add the mention rather than RFD? @Utopes and Presidentman:. Giant Snowman 09:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no desire nor opinion related to the inclusion of this material. On Wikipedia, we maintain redirects based on what the article states. We do not maintain content based on what redirects we have pointed there, because redirects are cheap to make and cheap to delete, and misleading if content doesn't exist. And of course, a redirect at this title could always be recreated once material is suitably and naturally added to a target page, instead of adding material for the sole purpose of substantiating a redirect for an entirely separate entity (a person, rather than an organization).

As for my opinion on the naturalness of this inclusion, I think the sentence-long Michael J Burns cutaway is not necessary. There is little flow about mentioning a person who died in 2015, if the sole purpose is to namedrop & save a singular redirect edit from deletion. However, the decision to include this in the article would be a content dispute, which is not something I'd care to get into as long as the redirect is no longer unmentioned (as was my primary concern); although future discussions could occur on the talk page, potentially. In the future I will not be going out of my way to save otherwise misleading redirects, when deletion is a totally acceptable and cleaner alternative, and totally safe for redirects with zero valuable history such as this one. In my current workflow, I probably "save" ~20% of such (unmentioned) redirects I come across, and nominate the remaining 80% at RfD, but the 20% won't show up here because I'd have made those changes on my own. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 09:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Canales semicirculares anterior

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canales semicirculares anterior → Semicircular canals (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No affinity to Spanish, so delete, I think. Duckmather (talk) 21:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Notably, this is not just a Spanish translation, but "a Nomina Anatomica synonym to Terminologia Anatomica or a common used term", as noted in the edit summary. However, this alternate terminology is not mentioned at the subject, and there is no allusion to the Spanish language or way to indicate why the Spanish translation points here, (maybe someone wanted to get to the Spanish Wikipedia article?) so I weakly lean towards deletion on these WP:FORRED grounds. If kept, this should be refined to Semicircular canals#Anterior semicircular canal. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination as WP:FORRED. ✴️Icarus The Astrologer✴️ 00:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cadenas y canales de televisión

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cadenas y canales de televisión → Television channel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No affinity to Spanish, so delete, probably? Duckmather (talk) 21:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, as the redirect roughly translates to "television channels and channels". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 23:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's closer to "television networks and channels", but that's academic. Delete per WP:FORRED. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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CSSBuy

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:37, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CSSBuy → Freight forwarder (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There is no mention of "CSS" or "Buy" at the target article, much less "CSSBuy", much less any mention on all of Wikipedia (of which there is none). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Google tells me this is a specific freight forwarder, I don't know whether they are notable (30 seconds on Google only told me that the question can't be answered in that short a time) but without a mention anywhere that's not relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cruciverbalist

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Cruciverbalist

Crop Protection (journal)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Crop Protection (journal)

Crean Hill, Ontario

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:37, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crean Hill, Ontario → Walden, Ontario (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There is no mention of a "Crean Hill" at the target article. People using this search term are unaware of what and where this location has anything to do with Walden. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This redirect exists because way back in the early days of Wikipedia there was a sloppy effort to create a minimal unsourced stub about every dot that could be found on a map of Ontario, with inadequate effort actually expended into researching what was or wasn't really at that dot — so we ended up with lots of articles about "communities" that turned out to really just be railway sidings or flag stops or fake copyright traps, many of which got summarily redirected to other related articles later on.
In reality Crean Hill is a mine, not a community, per [1] — and while it is indeed in the Walden district of the city, even if we were to add more content about mines to the target article to justify a Crean Hill redirect this wouldn't be the correct title, as the comma-province format is for communities, not mines, so even if we do that the redirect would have to be moved to a different naming format anyway. Bearcat (talk) 16:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Craig Joint Theater Hospital

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Craig Joint Theater Hospital

Cowboy Luttrell

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7#Cowboy Luttrell

Roger M. Cooke

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roger M. Cooke → Resources for the Future (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No history, no mention of such a person at the target article in the prose. The only aspect where this is mentioned is that Cooke apparently is one of the (many) authors of one source used in the references here. But no indication who this person is or how they are related to this subject. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in favour of search results, in which the mention at Vine copula#Historical origins is prominent (which probably doesn't justify a redirect on its own). Also, remove dab page mention. J 947 ‡ ^edits 23:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Conerve

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7#Conerve

Communist Party (Kosovo)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Communist Party (Kosovo)

CNN Underscored

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The result of the discussion was delete. asilvering (talk) 02:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CNN Underscored → CNN (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There is no mention or discussion of an "underscored" variant of CNN. No mention of the word "underscore" anywhere at the target. Currently a misleading redirect, as people who would have otherwise wanted the general article for CNN, would've typed in "CNN". Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"CNN Underscored" is CNN's affiliate marketing division. They rate and recommend various consumer products and receive a cut of the proceeds if people click through to buy them. See https://www.cnn.com/cnn-underscored. gnu 57 21:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did some cursory search on the web and I don't think it is particularly notable. I suggest deletion since a mention is unlikely to be added Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Ca. May be recreated if/when we have information at CNN or elsewhere. Jay 💬 07:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Enslaved Africans

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Slavery in Africa. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Enslaved Africans → Atlantic slave trade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Enslaved Africans" seems too broad to be redirecting to the Altantic slave trade alone. Either seems like it should be redirected to Slavery in Africa, to a disambiguation page or just deleted. Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Slavery in Africa but add hatnote to current target. This one is a bit tricky, but I do agree with the nominator that the current target is not the most ideal. Slavery in Africa also isn't a perfect target, becuase "Enslaved Africans" is a very common phrase to find in literature regarding the Atlantic slave trade or slavery in the Americas more broadly (see [2], [3], and [4] for just a few examples). I think it is the preferable one here though as the broadest possible target. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Slavery in Africa. J 947 ‡ ^edits 23:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pizzaface

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pizzaface → List of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles characters#Pizza Face (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pizza Face → List of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles characters#Pizza Face (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

currently unmentioned in the target and with primary topichood completely usurped by a pizza tower character with the same name (good for him :3). was about to retarget there and call it a day, but per wikt:pizza face, there might be some other possible target(s). opinions? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate at pizza face and add the wiktionary link there. The TMNT character 'Pizza Face' is mentioned at Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2012 TV series) season 2 where it is also the title of a TV episode. There are several other topics on Wikipedia available as mentions. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of the discussion at the target and at Pizza Tower.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 19:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

surprised no one mentioned draft:pizza face here. i'd say kick it to mainspace and then retarget both there cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fântânele River (Mureș)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Fântânele River (Mureș)

Bhairabi Temple, Boudh district

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Bhairabi Temple, Boudh district

Ra'ad 1

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Ra'ad 1

Melonade

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 12#Melonade

Scottish Nose-pickers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Scottish Nose-pickers

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

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The result of the discussion was keep. asilvering (talk) 02:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that. → HAL 9000 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_19#I'm_sorry_Dave. I'm not convinced that deletion was the right outcome there, but this redirect should suffer the same fate. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Fortunately we are not bound by consensus so when a previous discussion gets it wrong we are not required to repeat it. This is a very notable quote, indeed it's the most notable quote from the entire work. There are potential arguments that "I'm sorry Dave" could be ambiguous (I've not looked to see if it is in practice), but for the whole quote every single one of the hits on the fist 8 pages of Google for I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that -Wikipedia -Wikiquote (not even the exact phrase) are about the film, about the line from the film, or referencing (almost always explicitly) the line from the film. People are using this redirect (sometimes it's getting multiple times per day) and the target is unambiguous, so deletion would be harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 19:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Thryduulf. Even if it's not explicitly listed off in the actual articles, this is, as Thryduulf notes, the most notable quote in the entire work, a quote near synonymous with the character of HAL 9000 itself. Removing this redirect or directing it anywhere else would do a huge disservice to the readership. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete per Lunamann... from April, during the previous discussion. What I'm reading in THIS discussion, based on what has been stated so far, is baseless assertions of "having highest notability" with zero particular sources or evidence behind the claim "it's the most notable quote from the entire work". "Synonymous with the entire character itself", no less!! According to the information listed on our Wikipedia pages, Hal 9000 and its reliable sources, it's not. There are 8-10 quotes at the target that are namedropped, WITH sources and enough presumed importance to be featured in prose, but none are this one, and none of those have redirects.

Is it really the most notable quote from the entire work? Genuinely excellent! This content could improve the encyclopedia. So there MUST be some way to verify this claim from a reliable source? If I were to type this in as a significant quote, for starters I would certainly want to read about the quote SPECIFICALLY, because that's exactly the search term I typed in, but such an article does not exist at this time. Therefore, we'd want to encourage readers to add material which we don't have, per WP:REDLINK. For a standalone article, a structure like Our princess is in another castle! could work? We've definitely done it before. But maybe this quote-topic can be covered on a different page, and not have to be standalone if the sources aren't up to par. If I had to pick a character to end up at, I would personally want to go to an article about "Dave" (because that is the name I purposely typed). I did not type in HAL 9000. If I wanted HAL 9000, I (and anyone who wanted to find HAL 9000) would've typed in "HAL 9000", which I deliberately be avoiding by typing in 9 words, none of which contain "HAL" and none of which contain "9000". The search term is, for all tenses and purposes, a totally separate topic. A quote. Not a character. And nothing exists for it on Wikipedia, it seems.

If this quote is so important as it is claimed here, it seems like it'd be a homerun out-of-the-park slam dunk to have SOMEthing, SOMEwhere, related to this quote. But, to the best of my understanding, we do not, anywhere. We didn't in January. We didn't in April. And nearly a year later, not in October either. So the only conclusion that can be drawn from the history, given that not even Lunamann wanted to save this in April, is that this quote must not be worthwhile! (Obviously this is not true, because the quote IS "important" and likely notable, possibly even reaching standalone notability! But Wikipedia is not trying to "right the wrongs" of a lack of coverage. We can only report on, and redirect based on the material that is contained here on Wikipedia. Not what we want it to contain. This is regardless if it's "important", but not mentioned yet.) The way to indicate that there is a gap in Wikipedia coverage to be filled, is a redlink. This redirect has zero valuable history. It can ALWAYS be recreated once someone feels it necessary to discuss this potentially notable quote on the biggest online encyclopedia. Which will certainly happen eventually, especially so if the "quote is synonymous with the target itself". But doesn't need to happen now. We are in WP:NORUSH to finish it. And in the meantime, people who search for a quote, and don't end up at material directly related to their search term, will certainly be misled, as Wikipedia is not, does not function as, or advertise as a "type in a quote and get the character who said it without any mention of the search term you used because it's not 'important' enough to be covered at the target page you ended up at" service. The content of the article dictates the redirects that should exist. Not the other way around. Recreate the redirect once a sourced mention is added, somewhere on Wikipedia, because there are none right now... besides one.

Alternatively, retarget to Love and Rocket where the quote is discussed, and HAL 9000 is readily linked. But my guess is that people would probably not want that. Welp. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's referenced in an 2017 Human-Agent Interaction conference paper, "I'm Sorry, Dave, I'm Afraid I Can't Do That: Chatbot Perception and Expectations"; an ACMI (museum) article, "2001: A Space Odyssey – 'I'm sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that' "; and a Sound & Vision magazine article, "I’m Sorry Dave, I’m Afraid I Can’t Do That". ("I'm sorry Dave" was too ambiguous to survive. That is not the case here.) Clarityfiend (talk) 12:42, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ – mention unnecessary for the redirect to answer the reader's most probable question ("where is this from?"). Re REDLINK, I think this is unlikely to be able to survive AfD (as evidenced by its lack of significant discussion in mainspace). J 947 ‡ ^edits 00:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per FOARP. J 947 ‡ ^edits 00:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless/until mention is added. If this quote is so important then it should be in the article. Without it this redirect is confusing and unhelpful. A7V2 (talk) 11:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with or without mention, although I think a mention is likely warranted given the prominence of the quote in common and academic discourse (particularly related to computers in general, and AI in particular). Fieari (talk) 23:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to 2001: A Space Odyssey in popular culture#Influence on technology where it actually is mentioned, and probably re-create I'm sorry Dave as a re-direct to the same place. I tend to agree with the keep !voters above about the significance of this phrase and plausibility that it will be searched for, but there is a separate article about the cultural impact of 2001: A Space Odyssey, with a specific section about its impact on technology, where this redirect is a rather well-known catchphrase. FOARP (talk) 21:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on FOARP's retarget? Pinging @Pppery, Thryduulf, Lunamann, Utopes, Clarityfiend, A7V2, and Fieari:
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra (u — c) 14:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RE: FOARP's alternate target: I'm not actually certain. I don't think people will be looking for this info if they search this prompt, however, it's easy to get from here to 2001: A Space Odyssey and/or HAL 9000, so perhaps this could be a good target? I'm going to keep my vote where it is, but I won't be terribly upset if it ends up there instead. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This quote from the character is iconic enough to be a synecdoche of the character, and the identification of references to the quotation in secondary sources cements that. As for whether it needs to be in the body text, I'm persuaded by J947's observation that the redirect even on its own will answer the reader's most probable question ("where is this from?"). Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 08:09, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this is a likely search term, and if the only object is that it's not mentionned in the article, then the solution to that is to mention it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and add a mention of the famous quote to the article. BD2412 T 21:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Linjian

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 15#Linjian

Klm Ryl Dtch Airlines

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Klm Ryl Dtch Airlines → KLM (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm struggling to see the utility of this redirect that marginally abbreviates two of the three words in the full name of the airline. If space is at a premium surely you'd either just use "KLM" or abbreviate "Airlines" as well? This saves only 3 characters. Googling "klm Ryl Dtch Airlines" -Wikipedia brings up exactly one hit on Google, "how to pronounce", which scrapes Wikipedia page titles. It's amassed 77 hits since the current page view tool started keeping track in July 2015, which (if my maths is right) is an average of 0.7 hits per month and since 1 January 2023 it's accumulated only 4 hits. Capitalisation is by far the least important point here, but for any redirect in mixed case I'd expect KLM to be fully capitalised. On the other hand, this is old (created 2012) and unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 02:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I believe I got it from a document saying that, but sadly I did not make a note on where I got it from. In some newer redirects I am including URLs/documentation so I remember why I am redirecting some terms. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as an unlikely search term. No-one needs this to find KLM. 20:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)Shhhnotsoloud (talk)
Delete as an unlikely search term. Most of the words in the redirect are misspelled. JIP | Talk 08:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ain't I a stinker? (remaining bundle)

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Bugs Bunny#Personality and catchphrases. Refining to the section where discussed. (non-admin closure) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ain't I a stinker? → The Abbott and Costello Show (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ain't I a stinker → Bugs Bunny (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Stinker" does not appear at the target article for Bugs Bunny. However, it is mentioned at The Abbott and Costello Show and several other articles including List of Saturday TV Funhouse segments, and WikiQuote at q:Hare Force. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I feel that more people know this phrase from Bugs Bunny than from Abbot and Costello. I it a plausible search term, but I'm unsure whether we should drill down and really determine if there's a WP:PTOPIC, or if we should disambiguate. I don't think deletion is a good idea due to the plausibility of someone searching for this very famous phrase. If a PTOPIC is found, hatnoting may be appropriate. Fieari (talk) 02:14, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it would boil down to "where will readers receive the information most pertinent to their search term and have their questions be answered", and that is not the case at Bugs Bunny with zero mention. Yet the phrase "Ain't I a stinker" has like 6 mentions across Wikipedia, all of which might possibly be valid and could draw the target, but the fine details can be ascertained through this RfD. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 02:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This phrase is not relevant on the Abbott and Costello TV series page, because it was never used in the series. A better place might be on the A&C radio show page, or the Abbott and Costello bio page. I do think it is a minor phrase that wasn't readily associated with the team.Plummer (talk)

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Retarget both to Bugs Bunny. A Google Books search for the phrase suggests the primary association is with the wascally wabbit. This could easily be added to the article as a documented catchphrase (distantly behind "What's up, doc?" but still associated with the character). BD2412 T 21:02, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: I have now added reference to this phrase to the article, citing sources including William J. Jackson, American Tricksters: Thoughts on the Shadow Side of a Culture's Psyche (2014), p. 33: saying of Bugs Bunny's tricksterism, "One of his famous lines is, 'Ain't I a stinker'". BD2412 T 21:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Utopes, Fieari, and Plummer: - all good here? BD2412 T 20:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Retarget both to Bugs Bunny, per the reference added, google books results, and also my personal subjective feeling that this should be the WP:PTOPIC. If anyone thinks it's necessary, a section hatnote could be added to Abbott and Costello, but while they may have said it I don't think they're known for it. Fieari (talk) 23:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, retarget to Bugs, and remove entirely from Abbott and Costello.~~~ Plummer (talk) 03:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The content now substantiates a redirect. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It's time to d-d-d-d-duel

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Tiff & Tuff (Chara(c)ters)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tiff & Tuff (Charaters) → Kirby: Right Back at Ya! (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Tiff & Tuff (Characters) → Kirby: Right Back at Ya! (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These redirects began their history in 2008 as a page about the characters (see the last version before redirection here) until it was turned into a redirect over three days later for not citing any sources and the characters not being notable enough for their own article. Then, almost three years later, the first (misspelled) redirect was moved to the second (correctly spelled) one's title to make an "orthographic correction." I'm not sure the current target in general is the best one for the page, so I suggest we either delete them (especially the misspelled one) or refine them to the "Characters" section (where the characters are mentioned and explained in some detail). Thoughts? Regards, SONIC 678 06:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Tiff and Tuff exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both per WP:RDAB, considering the capital letters in the disambiguation and the unlikely misspelling in one of them. Not much history at either. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 16:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hall Airport

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The result of the discussion was keep. (We don't have to keep much at the target location. Just a brief mention.) asilvering (talk) 14:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hall Airport → Kaufman, Texas#Features (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I PROD'd the article about this airport on the basis that it fails WP:GNG and WP:NBUILD due to a lack of coverage in WP:SECONDARY sources excluding WP:ROTM mentions in aviation-related government and navigational databases. Another user made a good-faith effort to preserve the content by merging it with Kaufman, Texas, article, but the user did not realize that the airport has been removed from FAA records because it has presumably closed permanently (which, in 20/20 hindsight, I should have mentioned in the PROD nomination). Thus, the airport article has been replaced with a redirect targeting an article about a town, but the content discussing the airport should presumably be removed from the target article for the same reasons I outline above. I suggest that both the content and the redirect should be deleted. Carguychris (talk) 21:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Carguychris: As long as the content is there, the redirect is appropriate. If the content is removed from the target article (which is not something RfD can or should compel, but something you can do yourself per WP:BRD), then the correct thing to do is to restore the article and send it to AfD. If you think the content is unsuitable for Wikipedia, then I'd recommend the latter course of action (in which case you can close this as withdrawn). -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 22:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've axed the airport content from the target article, but restoring the previous Hall Airport article solely to AfD it seems excessive. Carguychris (talk) 15:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WP:RECENTISM Wikipedia is not just about what is there right now, history is also a part of Wikipedia. So if there was an airport there, why would it not be appropriate to be part of the town's history? Just as we keep around Tempelhof Airport article after it closed, then we should have history sections for towns, mentioning significant landmarks that no longer exist.-- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tempelhof clearly meets WP:GNG and WP:NBUILD. Hall Airport was a privately owned 2,500' grass strip with no significant facilities. Most small private airstrips shouldn't have Wikipedia articles per WP:ROTM, but many of them do because they're listed in convenient online aviation databases. Carguychris (talk) 13:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the anon here. My preference would be to restore the content to the article and keep the redirect. I agree that this airport isn't notable enough for its own article. I don't agree it isn't worth a mention at the town article. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and restore content per Presidentman. Being closed doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned at all. A7V2 (talk) 04:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2001 attacks

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Battle of City 17

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 September 23 § Tentacle (Half-Life) – Trainwreck
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 October 14 § Manhack – Trainwreck

Battle of City 17 → Half-Life 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The Battle of City 17 → Half-Life 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Battle for City 17 → Half-Life 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Possible WP:Fancruft though technically not wrong TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:26, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone mind bundling The Battle of City 17 and Battle for City 17? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - each of these separately was at one point an article, but not a single source between them. A7V2 (talk) 11:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All - Our page on Half Life 2 (which I've never played, though I did play HL1 - when's HL3 coming?) doesn't mention any battle at City 17 so these are unhelpful redirects. FOARP (talk) 20:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all Fancruft. Not even sure they'd be relevant if a City 17 article was made. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Obstipation

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The result of the discussion was soft redirect to Obstipation. (non-admin closure) Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obstipation → Constipation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Term not mentioned nor defined at target. Even though it is similar to "Constipation", it appears to be an entirely different and more severe condition. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

from some quick looking, i haven't found a good enough target for that aside from maybe bowel obstruction (where it's also unmentioned). would soft redirecting to wikt:obstipation work for now? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick note that this term "obstipation" is very, very rare compared to acute bowel obstruction (which seems to be the "modern" equivalent term, but that is my impression only and not a reliable source).

The dictionary definitions gave along the lines of "severe + acute constipation", and it even sounds like a medical emergency. Therefore on the basis of those dictionary definitions I changed the link from obstructed defecation which was imo inappropriate (the latter is a chronic condition, not a medical emergency) and also unsourced. Moribundum (talk) 18:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to wikt per cogsan. Jay 💬 08:06, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:VB

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:WikiProject Volleyball. I'll mention this redirect at the WikiProject page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:VB → Template:Venice Biennale (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A shortcut redirect from Wikipedia namespace to a navigational template doesn't make much sense. This should probably be retargeted to Wikipedia:WikiProject Volleyball. ✗plicit 14:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget as suggested or delete, agree this XNR doesn't make sense. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to the wikiproject, or delete as a 2nd option. Either way, it should not be a WP:XNR. Fieari (talk) 23:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Wikipedia:WikiProject Volleyball hasn't noticed it doesn't redirect them, and therefore they don't need it to. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Shhhhnotsoloud. Ambiguous towards a random template. If WP Volleyball wants it, they can create it. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 15:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note Template:Vb, if TM:VB is suggested as a replacement to this shortcut. J 947 ‡ ^edits 05:29, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These should be discussed separately, as Template:Vb has quite a bit of transclusions. ✗plicit 13:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, I oppose deletion. A shortcut being unused is not a valid reason for deletion. ✗plicit 13:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because the WikiProject didn't seem to care about this shortcut before, so not sure why they would now. Might as well free the title for someone who wants to use it for a more visible and constructive purpose. (However, if that purpose ends up being someone from the WikiProject creating this redirect to target the WikiProject, the redirect should be immune to WP:G4.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:WikiProject Volleyball as the only sensible target. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Wikipedia:WikiProject Volleyball per Tavix and others. 〜 Askarion ✉ 13:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sonam Maskar

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sonam Maskar → Shooting sports in India (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and recreate as an article - Looking online it looks like this could be the subject of an article since there appears to be SigCov of Maskar (e.g., 1, 2, 3), but someone decided to create this redirect in the place where someone else might have put that article. FOARP (talk) 13:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per WP:RETURNTORED. There's no existing history on this redirect that we could restore to article status; therefore, if we want an article here, the best route (short of someone stepping up to write the article) is to delete the redirect. This is RfD, not WP:AfC; actually creating brand-new articles is outside the scope of this discussion page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete to encourage article creation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Uncle Cosmo

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Generations: The Legacy. asilvering (talk) 05:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uncle Cosmo → Columbo (character) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

still not the biggest columbohead out there, but from a couple days of looking around, i haven't found any relation between this name and columbo (or columbo). is this something from later episodes that just hasn't been mentioned anywhere yet, or...? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Uncle Cosmo was a nickname sometimes used, as is correctly indicated by the "R from nickname" template used in the redirect. Please do your homework prior to making nominations, because this is easily destroying carefully created infrastructure and costs time which could be better spend on improving or adding contents. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This could've been caught by simply plugging in "Uncle Cosmo" Columbo into Google. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i did that before, and got one result saying it used by his nephew in one episode (episode 60, to be specific), and never again by anyone else, and that result was in page 2 of 2, in a suspiciously old-wikipedia-mirror-shaped site, unsourced, mentioned in passing, and buried among unrelated uncles named cosmo seemingly related to people seemingly known as "colombo". looking again, it's the same case, but now there are also reports of some "rfd" thing started by someone named "cogsan". no idea who that is, but he sounds like he'd be a total wonk

i would withdraw based on this, but the fact that there are no sources, reliable or otherwise (google told me there was something around quora, but i didn't find it there) that even imply anything about this (nick)name's existence aside from up to this diff which another site seems to have yoinked by accident, while "frank" and "philip" have a citation each (yes, i know the latter is false), leads me to question if it's worth keeping, as the only mention i found outside of fancruft in the target's edit history was still circular

if you two found something i didn't, i would appreciate it cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hm. Checking myself, you're right-- I'd initially seen the first result being Quora and went, "Okay, this is a known answer.' In reality, it... was not. Whops. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
clearly, his first name is "lieutenant" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget ~~to Ronnie Nyakale~~ I don't think a Quora answer is sufficient to provide evidence for this nickname, especially when it is unmentioned in the target. I couldn't find any other sources either. OTOH, "Uncle Cosmo" is listed as an alternative name for Nyakale in his infobox. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's mentioned, but it's unsourced. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After doing some digging, it looks like it is the name of his character in the TV show Generations: The Legacy. I've added a sourced mention there, so I now propose targeting that page. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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retarget to generations: the legacy, since it's the best we got cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:04, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Generations: The Legacy. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Generations: The Legacy TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:54, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:IBP

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The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Remsense ‥ 论 18:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:IBP → Wikipedia:Republishers#USA International Business Publications.2FInternational Business Publications (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Call me out if it reflects poorly on me, but I cite WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE constantly. It would be nice if we could appropriate this shortcut, unless the present destination is more worthwhile than I presently understand it to be. I couldn't figure out a more natural shortcut either. Remsense ‥ 论 11:05, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment We should always be very careful and conservative when retargetting shortcuts because the potential for causing confusion is high, especially when it is widely used as some people will use it to refer to the old target not knowing it has been retargetted (how often do you check the target of shortcuts you use?), others will use the new target not knowing it used to point somewhere else. In this case, there are very few links (old revisions and edit summaries are not recorded) and only a smattering of views so it is unlikely to be very disruptive. If it is retargetted a hatnote to the old target should be added. As for alternatives, perhaps WP:IBOXP? Thryduulf (talk) 12:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Really, I realized MOS:IBP was free, so I'm happy to take that and WP:IBOXP and be on my merry way. Remsense ‥ 论 12:41, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have created the redirect. Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Significa liberdade I think it's sort of withdrawn. Remsense, can the discussion be closed? Thanks, Cremastra (u — c) 13:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Back to Gecko

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Back to Gecko → Mozilla (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Back to" not mentioned at target page or at Gecko (software). Schützenpanzer (Talk) 01:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. From Googling it seems this was the very first working name of what became Firefox OS, but as it's not mentioned there (or indeed anywhere) this isn't useful a redirect at present. If it is added to the article (I have no opinion about whether it should be) this can be recreated at that time. Thryduulf (talk) 12:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Cremastra (u — c) 13:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Picric acid (homeopathic remedy)

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MOS:ASTRO

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:17, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:ASTRO → Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomy/Manual of Style (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete: Incorrect and confusing redirect that declares this WP:PROJPAGE essay to be a part of the WP:MOS guidelines. (The page's misnaming with "/Manual of Style" instead of "/Style advice" is being addressed separately in an RM.) Deleting this shortcut will be consistent with prior deletions of "MOS:" namespace (formerly pseudo-namespace) shortcuts to wikiproject essays and the like. The potential for mischief with such shortcuts is high, because editors who encounter them "cited" in talk-page arguments are highly likely to trust that they are MoS guidelines with the authority of community consensus acceptance, instead of being pre-WP:PROPOSAL essays of recent coinage by a trivial number of editors with nearly no community input. The advice in the page might even be good, but it is not (yet?) part of MoS and should not masquerade as one. I've created a new WP:ASTROSTYLE shortcut for this page (and it seems to be the only one aside from MOS:ASTRO. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. This is cross-namespace then too. ― Synpath 15:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I created this redirect while misunderstanding the process. The target will be retained as part of WP:AST. Praemonitus (talk) 20:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chaotolerance

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ChinaFile

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Chir'daki

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Murder of Paige Chivers

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Chlaenius atratulus and Chlaenius azureulus

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chlaenius atratulus → List of Chlaenius species#Chlaenius species (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Chlaenius azureulus → List of Chlaenius species#Chlaenius species (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Azureulus and atratulus not mentioned at the list of chlaenius species, where they should be red links anyway if they exist, in the absence of dedicated article content. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There are no incoming links. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cozy horror

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cozy horror → Horror fiction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Misleading – not mentioned at target. Cremastra (u — c) 00:56, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom; no mention of "cozy" at the target, which seems to be a qualifying description that is not discussed. Nothing really at List of genres#Horror either. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. No mention of what it means on it or any similar related article Horror film, etc. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:21, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:REDYES. See this article for a definition. It doesn't look like we currently have any information on this, but maybe we should? If so, this redirect should be made red to encourage article creation, or at the very least encourage someone to add the information to another article (in which case the redirect can be recreated at that time). Fieari (talk) 07:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chlaenius anchomenoides and some

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chlaenius anchomenoides → Chlaenius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Chlaenius aterrimus → Chlaenius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Chlaenius bimaculatus → Chlaenius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Chlaenius birmanicus → Chlaenius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Chlaenius buriensis → Chlaenius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Chlaenius callichloris → Chlaenius (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

We do not have a dedicated article for these species. People who type in chlaenius callichloris (and others), already know the genus is chlaenius. Not useful as a redirect to the species list, because we have zero dedicated content. Delete per WP:REDYES. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Redirects like this are misleading. Cremastra (u — c) 01:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - these should be redlinks, as is standard practice for as-yet nonexistant species articles. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I think this is the tip of the iceberg at List of Chlaenius species. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chlaenius atratulus and Chlaenius azureulus

Cozy horror

Chlaenius anchomenoides and some

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