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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 3, 2024.

Curse bowl

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#Curse bowl

Harrow View

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 12#Harrow View

Controversy over study buddies for international students in China

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. However targeting to the section Recent history (1980–present) as a suggested refinement. Jay 💬 15:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unlikely search term that is a bit generic and may or may not refer to Shandong University. LibStar (talk) 22:30, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Delete or restore?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:01, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Restore or refine? Also notified of this discussion at the target talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chat Control 2.0

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#Chat Control 2.0

Insurance goal

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 10#Insurance goal

Hockey bag

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 10#Hockey bag

Name, image, and likeness

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. Editors remain divided between keep, retarget, and disambiguation after two relists. signed, Rosguill talk 14:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to retarget this to Personality rights. Name, image, and likeness are stock terms in reference to personality rights of all sorts of celebrities, far beyond student athletes. See, e.g., Monk v. N. Coast Brewing Co., Case No.17-cv-05015-HSG (N.D. Cal. Jan 31, 2018), contesting use of "the name, image and likeness of Thelonious Monk"; Lucchese, Inc. v. John Wayne Enters., LLC, EP-17-CV-135-PRM (W.D. Tex. Jul 31, 2017), regarding "rights to famed actor John Wayne's name, image, and likeness"; Cousteau Soc'y, Inc. v. Cousteau, 498 F.Supp.3d 287 (D. Conn. 2020), regarding "use of Jacques-Yves Cousteau's name, image, and likeness", etc. BD2412 T 02:42, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dab? The existing incoming links all refer to student athlete compensation. For decades in the US, university athletes were not allowed to be paid. This specifically deals with the newer rules in US college sports. Seems like a disambiguation page is an option. Not sure if there is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Also note that the Nil dab page only has an entry the the student athlete topic, in case the abbreviation also applies to the general personality rights' use.—Bagumba (talk) 03:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably no need to have similar discussions in two places at once (see Talk:Student athlete compensation), but copying my comment from there: One or even a handful of random uses of the words as a phrase are not enough to make it a generic term. A search for "name image and likeness" on Google Scholar shows results only about college athletics on the first I don't know how many pages. Even limited just to sources from before 2020, I don't see a stock use of the phrase until result 15, and then not again 30. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's not a "scholarly" phrase, it's a legal one. If you look at legal cases, they arise in hundreds of them with respect to celebrities of all kinds. If you want me to provide hundreds of examples, I will. The phrase is practically a synonym for personality rights. BD2412 T 03:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I don't doubt that it's widely used, but the college athletics sense still seems to be a primary meaning even in a legal context. See, e.g., this Justia search (it's less total but still most when limited to law texts). I agree with your comment above that a hatnote would be justified either way. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate — Name, image, and likeness (NIL) is a common phrase used to refer specifically to the NCAA regulations. The NCAA policy is notable enough for its own article, either at Name, image, and likeness or something like Name, image, and likeness (NCAA policy). That's currently a redirect but should/could be developed into its own article. I understand the point that the college NIL rights are "the same thing" as the NIL rights in other industries, but the specific college regulation appears to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the phrase. Add disambiguation page then decide later if it should live at Name, image, and likeness or Name, image, and likeness (disambiguation) or be solved by hatnotes. PK-WIKI (talk) 09:17, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Evidence presented above suggests this is the primary topic. A hatnote can be added for disambiguation purposes. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:09, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Presidentman. This appears to be the primary topic for this phrase, whether it is the primary topic for the concept doesn't really matter. Thryduulf (talk) 15:03, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Primary topic. Poor timing to nominate this during an ongoing RM. 162 etc. (talk) 16:23, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nomination. I am unimpressed with the disambiguation or keep arguments above. Both are recentist, and in the former case, I think as a general principle we ought to retarget to the broadest meaning of a term that could be either more general or more specific, since readers who want the more specific definition can always find it within the broader article. Sdkb talk 04:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom and sdkb. Not a single word in this phrase is specific to athletics, much less specifically student athletics, so I'm having a very, very hard time believing that their primary target when together would be Student athlete compensation. It'd be, for example, like if someone claimed that Uniform should be a redirect to High school football in North America because the clothes that high school football players wear are referred to as a 'uniform.' ...Heck, if it weren't for nom laying out a case for it being a legal term, my knee-jerk would be to delete as an WP:XY of name, image, and likeness. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:26, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and hatnote, the term is specifically used in the media for references to the current target and thus primary. I'll trust Bagumba on the fact that incoming links support that also, unless proven otherwise. Respublik (talk) 08:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Since the last update here, the RM discussion to move "Student athlete compensation" → "Name, image, and likeness" closed as Not moved.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My Retarget vote stands, and in fact is probably strengthened by the RM vote closing as Not Moved. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Several redirects to Guaporé River

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no mention in the target article of these rivers, and without a mention these redirects are confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 02:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Zaporozhye Oblast

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Zaporizhzhia Oblast. Jay 💬 06:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The target of this redirect has been changed multiple times over the years, so I wanted to bring this to a discussion instead of just reverting. Essentially, I feel that this could just as easily refer to Zaporizhzhia Oblast as the Russian occupation article - there are (mostly older) sources that refer to the city by its Russian name, and Zaporozhye already redirects to the city. Maybe it could be converted to a disambiguation page? HappyWith (talk) 12:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 14:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed: Zaporizhzhia Oblast is a plausible target and the more generic concept, so the reader should be sent there. If people disagree with that, then a disambiguation page might be an alternative solution. Furius (talk) 17:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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FIFA 2003

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 11#FIFA 2003

EFinancialCareers

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 10#EFinancialCareers

Pro-

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of Greek and Latin roots in English/P–Z#P. Anarchyte (talk) 07:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While this might be a taxonomic prefix, a reader is quite likely to be looking for some information on the prefix in general. Wikipedia is not a dictionary, but the fact that we have information on this specific usage is sort of arbitrary. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
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Relisting comment: One more go.
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Western era

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. There was no support for Modern era as a target, hence tetargeting to Post-Western era as one better alternative. Jay 💬 06:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Western era" not mentioned in the target article. The implication of "modern era", "modern history", and "modern times" from the article is that this is happening right now, and equivalent to western in usage. Was created by the creator of Post-Western era; that seems to be a better location to talk about the concept of a "western era", if any suffice. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do NOT keep at current location. Referring to the modern era as the 'western era' is... extremely euro-centric??? Heck, with how pervasive Japanese and Chinese culture are right now, you could just as easily call the Modern era the "Eastern era" and be just as correct as if you called it the "Western era". Either delete, or retarget to somewhere else. I'm loathe to target it to Post-Western era mostly because that article is... just as eurocentric???
Could perhaps target to American frontier (the target of Wild west)? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget or secondarily delete, this is neither common usage nor an equivalence I'd like to see promoted. "Western" doesn't usually seem to imply "wild west" except in fairly narrow American history contexts. Post-western era seems like a good target, since it implictly defines "western era". Westernization would be my second choice but at that point I think it may be better to delete. Rusalkii (talk) 18:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 12:26, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete until a clear consensus is formed Okmrman (talk) 02:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Westernization might be another potential target? 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2022 Second Division Football Tournament

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6. Unambiguously created in error. Thryduulf (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This Maldivian event does not seem to be the primary or most notable topic readers might be looking for when searching "2022 Second Division Football Tournament" – a Google search turns up large numbers of other results. This was left over from a page move when the creator forgot to include the world "Maldivian". It doesn't seem that this is the official name of the tournament either, which should just be "FAM 2nd Division", but that's a point for the main article, not here. Toadspike (talk) 10:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The creator acknowledged the error in this move rationale [1] "Misspelled: Incomplete article page name in the initial move." I think this should be uncontroversial. Toadspike (talk) 10:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Trang Chính

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per criterion G4. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The search term is unhelpful because the target provides no information in Vietnamese. See WP:RFOREIGN and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 6#Trang Chính. Certes (talk) 09:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, the policy and discussion linked explain this case clearly. Toadspike (talk) 10:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Also, this could be speedy deleted since it clearly falls under the G4 Criteria: Recreation of material deleted via a deletion discussion Okmrman (talk) 15:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:REVERT

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:Reverting. Jay 💬 06:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All other redirects such as WP:RV, WP:REV and WP:REVERTING and all redirect to WP:Reverting but this one is the odd one out. For this one I consider changing the redirect name like the one I mention above because that one fits with the redirect more. This is supposed to redirect with a project-associated page and not a help guide.kleshkreikne. T 20:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. This has a very large number of links, we should not retarget this unless we are certain that these links were intended for the WP space page not the Help space page. I've not (yet) looked. Thryduulf (talk) 04:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Wikipedia:Reverting, which has a hatnote referencing Help:Reverting at the top. Readers who realize the page in the Wikipedia namespace is not the page they are looking for have clear direction to get to the related page in the "Help" namespace. In other words, updating the incoming links may not be necessary in this case. Steel1943 (talk) 20:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Poast

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The result of the discussion was revert redirect and send to AfD. Anarchyte (talk) 07:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect target has a WP:LISTCRIT that entries should have Wikipedia articles. Therefore, the topic of this redirect is neither mentioned at the target nor could it be added. ~ A412 talk! 07:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Check Steam

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The result of the discussion was delete. Anarchyte (talk) 05:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okmrman (talk) 03:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Latin@

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Latinx. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 01:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This has been retargeted several times. The current one is inaccurate since it's also used in Portuguese, not just Spanish. It can be retargeted to Gender neutrality in languages with grammatical gender, or back to Latinx (or, now, Latine). --MikutoH talk! 01:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~( 8^(I)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Keep !votes were conjectured on the presence of the redirect term at the target, but no one has contested its removal there, leaving no purpose for the redirect. signed, Rosguill talk 14:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, it does not seem like strings of characters such as this would be useful or helpful for readers on Wikipedia. This is not a likely search term, and the only information we have at the target list, for this topic, is "yes" (it exists) Utopes (talk / cont) 04:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: The emoticon has been removed from the target.
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Keep as it used to mention it, per commented by Lunamann. --MikutoH talk! 02:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't be kept after the emoticon in question has been removed from the list, unless the emoticon were to be restored. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:15, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MikutoH: Just letting you know that the emoticon in question was removed a while ago and has not been added back. Are you interested in amending your !vote with that in mind? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No longer mentioned at target, nor anywhere else in the encyclopedia. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Clorinda (Once Upon a Time)

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