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Category:Pretenders to the Egyptian throne

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Pretenders to the Egyptian throne (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete. Category created recently and filled Fuad II of Egypt (incorrect, he was the king for some time). History of Egypt is too complicated for this kind of simplistic categories (the whole dynasty Muhammad Ali dynasty has been considered pretenders by Osmans, for example). Being pretender is also usually non-defining and better to be covered in the text. Pavel Vozenilek 22:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Primates of the Syriac Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Primates of the Syriac Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete. Entirely redundant with the existing Category:Syriac Orthodox Patriarchs of Antioch, which is a better name and contains all the articles in this category (so no need to merge). Anyone who would be described by the invented term 'Primates of the Syriac Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East' would presumably be a (Syrian Orthodox) Patriarch of Antioch. Mairi 22:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Referendums

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Referendums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Many of the articles and categories within this category concern not only referendums, but initiatives as well. In the USA, these two topics are intimately connected; I don't know how true that is internationally, but I don't see any harm in making the parent category more inclusive. Please see related discussion at the CfD for Category:Referenda in the United States. -Pete 21:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, but strong oppose renaming. The use of the word "initiative" to describe a particular form of referendum is specific to the United States (I'm not aware of it being used elsewhere). Other countries use or have used other terms such as "plebiscite", and the United States also uses "ballot measures": if we were to rename this category to include all the terms in use everywhere, we'd need to call it something like Category:Referendums, plebiscites, ballot measures, and initiatives, which is simply clumsy. "Referendum" is the widely-understood satisfactory generic term, and it is much better to just put some explanatory text in the category to clarify that the category includes votes using all these terms. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. Haddiscoe 12:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I did not realize "Referendum" had this overarching meaning. The Wiktionary entry seems to support BrownHairedGirl's analysis. I'm interested to see if anyone else comments, but open to retracting my nomination on this basis... -Pete 18:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:///seizethemoment.

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:///seizethemoment. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Very limited application. Little to no room for expansion. Not very useful. Vassyana 21:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:-Class television articles

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Category:-Class television articles (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Inappropriate name and usage. Vassyana 20:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:$1

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The result of the discussion was: speedied. >Radiant< 12:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:$1 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Inappropriate name and usage. Vassyana 20:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:","

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Category:"," (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Inappropriate name and usage. Vassyana 20:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:People of Grenadian origin

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The result of the discussion was: rename. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:People of Grenadian origin to Category:People of Grenadian descent
Nominator's Rationale: Rename, standard of Category:People by ethnic or national descent. jwillburtalk 20:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tough Enough

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Tough Enough (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete - small category with no potential for growth. Unneeded for navigation as it contains only the main article and one sub-cat which is already in the reality show participants tree. Otto4711 19:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Cable television stations in Belize

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The result of the discussion was: merge. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Cable television stations in Belize to Category:Television stations in Belize

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Category:People who have declined a British honour

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:People who have declined a British honour (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete - the same logic that leads to the conclusion that categorization by award is usually overcategorization also leads to the conclusion that categorizing on the basis of declining an award is also overcategorization. There is a list article which can be annotated with the circumstances under which the award was refused and this category leads to clutter (see the mass of categories on Winston Churchill, including this one). Otto4711 15:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:Fathers of the House

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The result of the discussion was: delete, no objection to a list. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Fathers of the House (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Listify and delete - This is an unofficial honorific bestowed on the Member of Parliament with the longest continuous service. It is overcategorization by award or honor and leads to category clutter (check out Winston Churchill's mass of categories, including this one). A list, either in the article Father of the House or standalone, is the superior way of presenting this information. Otto4711 15:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - To some degree, this is just a superfluous honour given to people who stay in politics for a very long time. It should be deleted. Note that Father of the House already contains a list. Dr. Submillimeter 15:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify and delete As long as these persons have some Member of Parliament of category in their aritcle, this category is superfluous. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is not just an honorofic; the Father of the House is the person who presides over the election of the speaker. The British House of Commons relies heavily on the concept of seniority, with the longest-serving members being called first to speak, and as such the "Father of the House" title also describes the members' seniority. It is somewhat unusual for the FoH to be an otherwise prominent MP such as Churchill, so category clutter is a rare problem: out of the most recent twenty FoHs, 4 have also been Prime Minister, and most of the rest have not held cabinet office. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Chitranshi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:ChitraguptVanshi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  • Neutral - This nomination was added to this page without any explanation. I looked at the pages and found TEMPLATE:PROD warnings on them, which was inappropriate. These two categories contain some information on Hinduism with pictures and Hindi script, some warnings, and messages stating that it is people's duty to place articles in these categories. The categories apparently group articles on people according to either caste or lineage. I am confused enough about what is going on that I want to wait before making any recommendations on these categories. Dr. Submillimeter 15:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as eponymous category and precedent. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 15:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - if for no other reason than the categories appear to be largely articles in category space. Otto4711 03:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - The text could be transferred into articles, but I do not know if that is even appropriate. It also does look like these categories are attempting to function partially like real categories. Dr. Submillimeter 09:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I also love the fact that both categories contain themselves. I guess delete unless someone comes along who can explain why these should exist. Lesnail 15:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kayastha seems to be main article, containing some of the same info as the category page, but generally much better, and then most of the other articles are on individuals who come from this caste group. Obviously needs a big clean-up but I would think clearly capable of being salvaged. So Keep for now - look again in 3 months. Change to Delete in view of INB policy below. Johnbod 15:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - It was decided on WT:INB to not categorize people by caste.Bakaman 00:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Unicode script

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Unicode script (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

and Subcategories:

Delete, Besides the incorrect singular name, this category promises to become almost entirely redundant to the Category:Writing systems. If at all, then it would probably be more useful to categorize the few exceptions that still aren't in unicode. Latebird 11:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • keep,

I don't think the singular name should be germane to whether these categories are necessary or not. If they are kept, the name can be changed. As for the charge that they will be redundant with the wiring system category, there are several problems with that. First writing systems are not considered on or off the Unicode roadmap as members of the writing system category. Also these categories separate the ancient from the modern ones according to Unicode conventions which the writing system category does not do. In addition, a Unicode script is not the same thing as a writing system. The English alphabet is a writing system. However, the Unicode scripts are more abstract than that. For articles on writing systems that follow a different naming convention than Unicode's I expected to see a referring article added to this category that help math those together with Unicode script names. Finally, any articles that talk are on the topic of Unicode scripts would not appear in the writing system. category. I would agree that if years from now when Unicode has completed the task of encoding every script it can think of, then the issue of whether a separate categories for Unicode scripts and writing systems should be revisited. Perhaps then, the names of Wikipedia articles on writing systems will completely match the naming conventions for Unicode scripts. Incidentally, I just created these a few hours ago and I have stopped work on them as the deletion nominator suggested (so they are in an incomplete state). Indexheavy 12:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

* comment I would like to add that I don't see what harm these categories would cause. They simply appear at the bottom of the categorized articles and help contribute to the web of knowledge that Wikipedia embodies. I think the virtually absent costs to these categories should be considered before voiccing in favor of deletion. Indexheavy 12:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - To be honest, I'm still not entirely sure what the inclusion criteria are supposed to be. As Indexheavy has explained, what Unicode considers a "script" is much more abstract than the real-world scripts we usually write articles about. That might make any attempts of renaming or mergin somewhat difficult. --Latebird 09:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:South Korean Drama on Philippine TV

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:South Korean Drama on Philippine TV (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete: there is no point for this category to exist. A show merely being aired or replayed in another country is certainly not category criteria. Otherwise, so many shows would be in this category because of the amount of entertainment exporting there currently is.SKS2K6 03:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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