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Category:Secretaries of State for Foreign Affairs (UK)

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The result of the debate was no consensus, delete as empty --Kbdank71 14:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

duplicate of Category:Secretaries of State for Foreign Affairs. Septentrionalis 23:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Methodist Americans to Category:American Methodists

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to match the other subcategories of Category:American Christians (apart from the category for Baptists, which is called Category:Baptists from the United States because the American Baptists are a specific subgroup of Baptists in U.S. Chicheley 22:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Residence halls to Category:Halls of residence

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The result of the debate was no consensus/withdrawn --Kbdank71 14:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As no consensus here, suggest rename to follow main article Halls of residence. David Kernow 22:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Current albums

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This seems a very vague category. The album The Dark Side of the Moon spent over 14 years on the Billboard Top 200. Does that mean it was "current" for those 14 years? Also, based on the description, the category requires near-constant adding/subtracting of the category from individual album articles as they enter/exit album charts. MakeRocketGoNow 22:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Architecture by nationality to Category:Architecture by country

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 14:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This works much better as a "by country" category. Buildings are located in particular countries, and the concept of nationality is most relevant to people. Olborne 19:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)*[reply]

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Category:Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 14:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category basically contains 4 pictures that could be a gallery in the main aricle. Move the pictures to Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and delete the category. Vegaswikian 18:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. Pointless, unless it's populated with John-John, Ari and so forth. Also, it shouldn't be in all those article cats. --Dhartung | Talk 19:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Catholic Religious

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Really a duplication of Roman Catholics by occupation which already had included most of the categories that were here and others like this. Also if kept this would need to be renamed to Category:Roman Catholic religious people or a similar name. Better to delete and create a better named subcat in Category:Roman Catholics if it is needed. The remaining entry could go into that new category if created or into Category:Roman Catholics. I did delete/move the subcats from here prior to this nomination. Vegaswikian 18:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See Notable Lay Catholics nom below. --Dhartung | Talk 19:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British English books that have American English translations

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not clear and not useful. Most British books are somewhat adapted for American readers. Whether this is "translation" or not is a very interesting question that can lead to fascinating discussion, but category space is not the place to do so. I suggest replacing this with an article and annotated list.--woggly 18:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete If not deleted rename to something less POV like Category:British English books with linguistically altered American English editions. (Not that I am saying that is an ideal category name.) Olborne 18:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but rename When creating the category I didn't think there would actually be people who considered 'translation' to be POV. However, I wouldn't mind a more objective title. Woggly, your claim that most British books are tranlated to American isn't true. I did a fair bit of research before creating the category and the amount of 'translated' books is actually a lot less than is widely believed. About your 'not useful' statement: judgeing by the amount of "is the American edition different from the original" questions in talk pages of book articles it's very useful - which is why I created it. MrTroy 18:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • As someone who works in the publishing business, my experience has been that this phenomenon is MUCH more widespread than generally assumed. I can name half a dozen books off the top of my head that have undergone this kind of treatment, and these would only be books that I've had recent dealings with. Often it's just changing standardized spellings or a word here or there, such as "trash can" to "rubbish bin"; sometimes adding a glossary; sometimes changing the title to something more marketable; sometimes more insidious changes, like requiring authors to excise the word "evolution" from American editions (I heard about this from Elizabeth Kaye, author of "The Divide" series). The opposite also happens: American books are adjusted for the British public. I'm not trying to downplay the phenomenon. What I'm saying is that the criteria for inclusion in this category are unclearly defined, and if one were to use broad definitions, would be applicable to too many books for this to be a useful category. For no book will it be simple to make a clearcut ruling. It's not a binary "yes" or "no" sort of thing. Different books undergo slightly different forms of adaptation. I forsee much arguing about semantics. I think it would be more useful to create an article discussing this type of "translation" and discussing certain examples on a case by case basis. This would be better than branding individual books with an unclear category, without explanation. --woggly 19:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hmm, you've got a point there. I'll add an explanation to the category page. Not to bypass this deletion discussion, but to give the category a fair chance. MrTroy 19:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This isn't a useful category. The phenomenon could be discussed in an article with examples, but I don't see what is gained by being able to look them up (and getting citations for inclusion would be messy). --Dhartung | Talk 19:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, and create an article about the phenomenum with a list of titles. -- Samuel Wantman 05:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see why a "list of..." article would be more practical than this. I think it would only be less practical:
    • You would need to add all titles by hand
    • In every article about a translated book you would need to add a paragraph about "this book has been translated, see [list of...]" instead of just adding [category:...] to it
    • "List of..." articles are actually discouraged by the guideline, saying something to the extent of "we have categories for that"... MrTroy 08:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is a trivial aspect of a book. Hawkestone 13:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per thorough explanation by woggly. Athenaeum 19:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Curiosities

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:02, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This two item category is a subcategory and near duplicate of Category:Trivia, which is itself a dubious idea. It is far too vague. The article [[curiosity] is about the pschological trait, not curiosities in the sense presumably intended here, ie as in "Museum of curiosities". Twittenham 16:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)}}[reply]

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Category:Hunyadi to Category:Hunyadi family

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename in line with the developing standard for non-royal families. Sumahoy 16:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:North Atlantic Islands to Category:Islands in the North Atlantic

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "I" should be lower-cased. The convention used for islands by country is "islands of". Sumahoy 15:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Pre-Code to Category:Pre-Code films

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Films made before the MPAA Production Code. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Films created before the MPAA Production Code. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Articles with possible offensive pictures

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 14:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant with Wikipedia:Content disclaimer; incompatible with WP:NPOV (who decides what is 'possibly offensive' and how?); WP:NOT censored. Also bad grammar in the category title! Delete. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 15:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedians by location

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 20:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate subcategories of Category:Wikipedians by location:

Merge all to the categories that follow naming conventions. - EurekaLott 15:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:The Quennells albums

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The result of the debate was delete. Roy A.A. 04:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Part of a systematic hoax, as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Quennells. --ⁿɡ͡b Nick Boalch\talk 15:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Banks of the European Union

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The European Union is not a country. I have taken this out of Category:Banks by country, but it really should be deleted. Banks operate nationally, in small clusters of countries, or globally. They do not operate throughout the EU as an entity. This classification of companies on the basis of an irrelevant entity should be nipped in the bud. Carina22 14:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • The effect is much greater within the EU than outside it, however whilst the effect for retail consumers remains muted this doesnt add much, and when such operation does become more widespread maintaining individual country categories will almost certainly be more effective. I'll get round to writing Banking in the European Union at some stage to cover the ground. Apologies for the extended pondering time...!! Ian3055 23:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Most major banks based in the EU which operate in several EU countries also operate outside the EU. Cloachland 00:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Technically correct, but then should be a supercat of EU members. Not very useful or maintainable as a changeable cat of banks operating in >1 EU country. International banking agreements under the WTO, G8, NAFTA, etc. erase borders but keeping track of such things is best left to articles on the individual banks. --Dhartung | Talk 02:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Images of Australian cities to Category:Images of cities in Australia

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 15:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"in country" is the naming convention for cities, not nationalities. See also: Category:Images of cities in the United States. Kurieeto 14:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lists of Australian Mayors and Lord Mayors to Category:Lists of Mayors and Lord Mayors of places in Australia

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 20:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To follow the formating of sub-cats of Category:Mayors by country (Ex: Category:Mayors of places in France), and to match the formating of a similarly scoped category, Category:Lists of mayors of places in Canada. Kurieeto 14:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Star Trek fans

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Categorising people by which TV shows they like is not a great idea. The List of notable Star Trek fans covers it better. See also Celebrity Whovians listed below. Tim! 09:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Scottish law to Category:Scots law

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To match name of principal article: Scots law. "Scots law" is the correct name, and also the most common name, for the legal system of Scotland. Mais oui! 08:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Anime influenced animation

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 19:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just moved its last article to the more correct category "Anime-influenced animation" (wikifying that gives soemthing weird...). Don't see why it's needed.

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Category:Groups of Students' Unions to Category:Groups of students' unions

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 20:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listed as speedy but was contested. --Usgnus 06:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:United Kingdom Students' Unions to Category:United Kingdom students' unions

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 19:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listed as speedy but was contested. --Usgnus 06:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Scottish Students' Unions to Category:Scottish students' unions

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 20:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listed as speedy but was contested. --Usgnus 06:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Canadian Students' Associations to Category:Canadian students' associations

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 20:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listed as speedy but was contested. --Usgnus 06:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Irish charts to Category:Irish record charts

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 10:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The cat should be renamed to avoid confusion and for consistency with other subcategories of Category:Record charts by country. --musicpvm 05:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Members of the United States House of Representatives from California

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 19:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This should really be two categories; Category:Current members of the United States House of Representatives from California and Category:Former members of the United States House of Representatives from California . C56C 02:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nationalist operas

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 15:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. (Part of the clearout of superfluous opera cats). 'Nationalist' operas - operas that advocate political nationalism (in contrast to 'national' operas with which nations identifies) are hard to identify. - Kleinzach 02:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Notable Lay Catholics to Category:Roman Catholics

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 19:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The word "notable" seems to be a reliable indicator that a category is a bad idea. The article on which I found this category made no reference to the subject's religion. A system of categories for Roman Catholics by country is developing, so this category can first be merged into Category:Roman Catholics and then the articles can be reallocated on a national basis as appropriate. Since all non-lay Catholics will belong in a category for bishops, priests, monks nuns etc other ";Catholics" are lay by exclusion (or at least that will work when the category system is mature). Another problem with the present category is that it is intended to be for Roman Catholics but not all Catholics are Roman Catholics. Chicheley 00:29, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mosaic art to Category:Mosaic

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 19:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A new user created 'Mosaic art' and added several paragraphs to this category page in one edit. And it looks like they added context to get there Institute of Mosaic Art on wp. There should never be this much text in a cat. page. The 'Mosaic' cat is well established. Clubmarx 00:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that I'm suggesting 'Mosaic art' should merge with 'Mosaic.' --Clubmarx 17:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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