Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Studio Ghibli short films

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:22, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Studio Ghibli short films

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Procedural nomination for User:Sin_dash_x - see Talk:Studio Ghibli short films. "This is a pointless article, information is already available on other pages notable the main Studio Ghibli page - which clearly lists in chronological and categorical order the short films that the studio has produced. The list on the main Studio Ghibli page links directly to pages for specific films. This page however is poorly written, incomplete and completely disorganised (why info boxes? why "see also") - its is missing many films listed on main Studio Ghibli page, those that are listed are summarised and then linked to their own more detailed existing pages. Studio Ghibli's advertising and commercial work is mixed in with short films on this page. Image on page is of a compilation dvd entitled "Ghibli Ga Ippai", yet page does not cover films that appear on that release. Page has been left without any update since 2010. Sin dash x (talk) 14:04, 18 September 2011 (UTC)" — Sin dash x (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Malkinann (talk) 03:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Speedy Keep. That some of the information is available on other pages is not a reason for deletion. The short films page offers quite a bit more than a simple listing of the films, and includes brief synopses of every film listed there. It is not poorly written, it is not completely disorganized (they are in chronological order). The "See also" section is a link (currently just one) to a more comprehensive list of short films; this kind of link is not unusual for such articles. As the article only covers "commercials, films,...music videos, and works released directly to video", it's not surprising it doesn't list many of the films listed on the main Studio Ghibli article: this article covers only short works. The links to the main articles for some of the works listed in the article is because those articles exist. The advertising and commercial works are included as the article covers commercials (very clearly spelled out in the very first sentence). The image is included because, as noted by the caption for the image, it "contains many of the studio's short films". The fact the article has not been updated since 2010 is not a valid reason for deletion. The article has many references as well. This nomination was not thought out and is completely without any valid basis. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I should note that I removed the talk page nomination by Sin dash x as that was the wrong venue and it was pretty much moved here by Malkinann. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:31, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. --···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The gist of the talk-page argument seems to be that the page is a mess. AfD is not for cleanup. Nihonjoe makes other points much better than I could. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If this page does not meet the criteria for deletion (which I believe it does), it is still a very poor page and needs serious work- The page is called 'Studio Ghibli short films' but whoever wrote it decided to add other works by Studio Ghibli including commercials and music videos THESE ARE NOT SHORT FILMS - so shouldn't the page name be changed to 'Studio Ghibli non feature works' or 'Studio Ghibli other animated works' (or something in that vein) instead of 'Studio Ghibli short films' as it is currently. To use the term 'short films' in the page title is a very clear misnomer.

In addition to the information on the page is horrendously incomplete - Studio Ghibli has produced (as of fall 2011) a total of 14 short films, 6 music videos, at least 17 commercials, and 11 documentaries, the 'short films' page covers 10 short films, 1 music video, and 1 commercial. And all the information thats is present is very poorly laid out: of the 12 works listed, only 4 of them have a corresponding 'info box' on the right of the page which details director, running, release date etc. And I still can't see the point of the page - is this 'Studio Ghibli short films' page meant to cover all non-feature works by the studio?, or is it meant to cover works that appeared on the dvd compilation entitled 'Ghibli Ga Ippai Special Short Short' that was released in 2005? or is it meant to cover just short films? and why have this page when there is so much clear information on the main Studio Ghibli page?

So I will defend point that this page is extremely poorly conceived - at the minimum there needs to be a serious discussion about whether the page name should be changed - but I still maintain that because the CONTENT of the page is a mess or redundant and that the INTENT of the page is confused and ill-defined, a discussion of deletion for this page should continue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sin dash x (talk • contribs) 14:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC) — Sin dash x (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Sometimes you do have to blow it up and start over, but the fact remains that AfD is not for cleanup. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your claim of commercials and music videos not being "short films" is merely semantics. I'm fine if the page is moved to something like Studio Ghibli short works instead since you seem to be so caught up on that tiny point. Regarding the "horrendous incompleteness" of the page, I would point you to WP:SOFIXIT. This is a collaborative project, and in the time you've spent here you could have at least made the article more complete than it is now. Regarding the infobox, only those entries which don't have a separate page are listed there, and this is commonly done in cases where the infobox would end up being many times taller than the page if every entry had a corresponding infobox. Also, any which don't have a full infobox segment are listed at the bottom with links to the individual pages. The page is not poorly conceived, and it does exactly what it was intended to do, albeit somewhat incompletely as you have pointed out. So I reiterate: join the collaboration and fix it rather than making this discussion your only substantial contribution to the encyclopedia. You apparently know a fair bit about this topic, so put that knowledge to good use and improve the article rather than trying to remove it. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Most of the listed work of this studio has its own articles. Its a fine list article. Dream Focus 02:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep per The Bushranger and Nihonjoe, an arguement for improvement is not a reason for a delete here, this should be taken to the talk page not here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not everything there has an article, and even if they did, it would still be a perfectly sensible list to make given how many shorts Ghibli has made. --Gwern (contribs) 18:21 2 October 2011 (GMT)

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