Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shyheim

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades^Godric 06:45, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shyheim

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. One charted song, and no awards or nominations. Unable to locate any secondary sources to support notability as a musician, although much has been published about his criminal conviction. This should not, however, support an article per WP:PERP. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:57, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep, obviously notable and subject has an album which is notable itself and has an article. The article could be improved yes, but the subject was also a B-list actor and a featured artist on numerous albums and singles for over a decade. Nothing gained and the encyclopedia is not improved by this deletion. Article has numerous inbound and outbound links. Some articles are shorter than others and not every single piece of valuable information is going to be a GA. Spurious deletion motion vigorously opposed. JesseRafe (talk) 14:15, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, fails WP:MUSICBIO. The only three citations are to his vehicular homicide. Also fails Wikipedia:CRIME. Waters.Justin (talk) 23:10, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Please look at the additional links added to reference his musical career and film career, each notable. He passes #s 1, 5, and 11 before the recent edits anyway, so the claims of failing WP:MUSICBIO previously were unfounded. As an actor he has had multiple roles in major motion pictures and was a prominent recurring star on a long-running primetime major network television show, which passes the simple muster for WP:ENTERTAINER. This whole motion to delete is poorly founded. Look at how many inbound links there are to this page about this obviously notable individual! Why, instead of seeing a page that's not great is it your impulse to delete it rather than repair it? JesseRafe (talk) 13:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the references are not good. One is to a Wordpress personal blog, another mentions him only in passing, the NYT article did not even mention Shyheim. The other references only mention Shyheim as a rapper facing felony charges, and that is not enough to pass Music Bio or Crime notability. Waters.Justin (talk) 17:23, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is simply false. How is "famed urban musicians -- Shyheim..." not mentioning him in the New York Times? I'm missing a step. JesseRafe (talk) 13:42, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Trivial mentions are generally not considered notable enough to establish notability. Wikipedia:Trivial mentions. Waters.Justin (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree about the trivial mentions, but you are also missing the point. No one is arguing the allegation about WP:Criminal or whatever that is. He is a charted solo artist and an actor who has been in multiple major studio films and on major network primetime TV shows. There is more than a preponderance of evidence to establish his career more than satisfies WP:ENTERTAINER, should be case closed, inaccurate readings of the NYT source aside. JesseRafe (talk) 13:42, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 18:26, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. JesseRafe (talk) 18:50, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. JesseRafe (talk) 18:53, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

EXTREMELY STRONG KEEP. Very notable rapper. Velociraptor888 08:56, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - not notable! --Temp87 (talk) 13:59, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- ^This account seems to only exist to vote in deletion discussions and makes no attempt at pointing to policy or guidelines. JesseRafe (talk) 14:08, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Is having an account just for voting on things not allowed on Wikipedia? --Temp87 (talk) 14:21, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - The problem is in every deletion/move/merge discussion you've weighed in on you've cited zero policy to back up your positions just flying by your whims. Please consult the welcome links on your talk page for some info about meaningful contributions to the encyclopedia you could make so that your comments in these back page discussions will be more grounded in policy. JesseRafe (talk) 13:17, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. One charted song is all an artist needs if the chart meets the notability guidelines. On And On - his 1994 single - made #89 on the Billboard Hot 100. His debut album made #52 on the Billboard 200, and the follow up made #63. Shyheim has clearly had a long career in the spotlight and while not A-list, his collective achievements would qualify him for an article even without these positions. KaisaL (talk) 05:03, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J 947 06:41, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.