Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about Miami

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 17:34, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs about Miami

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This list article does not seem to serve a purpose, and I feel like it will always be incomplete. It is based on original research currently. Natg 19 (talk) 07:47, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 (talk) 07:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 (talk) 07:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:50, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There is no valid deletion rationale presented, and as often in these cases it seems like the nominator is simply unfamiliar with lists of this kind, if not lists on Wikipedia generally. "I don't get it" is not an argument, and the obvious purpose of the list is to group songs by shared subject, just like any of the other lists in Category:Lists of songs about a city. "Incompleteness" is also never a reason to delete; see, for example, Template:Dynamiclist or Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists#Incomplete lists. Most lists on Wikipedia are and always will be "incomplete" in the sense that, as here, we have limited them to entries that have some connection to notable subjects rather than merely every thing of that type that has ever existed. And OR is only a reason to delete if the problem is unfixable, i.e., if it were unverifiable whether any songs are in fact about Miami. Given that this list is (and should be) limited to songs that are either notable themselves or by notable musicians, secondary sources should be available in many cases if interpretation is in doubt. postdlf (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I doubt there is one song anywhere which is "about Miami", there are several that might mention Miami in passing, for instance Back in the USSR, which appears to get an entry on this list, there may be songs set in Miami, but, I Left My Heart in San Francisco is not about San Francisco, but about the singer's heart. As the nominator states, this is, and always be, original research because you will not find independent sources which say a song is "about a place" so premise for this list is, as postdlf says, unfixable. However, Postdlf is correct - nothing in WP is ever finished. --Richhoncho (talk) 16:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems like a valid list, though it could really use a lead and perhaps a bit explaining how each song is about Miami - this would also make it easier to purge the list of songs not about Miami. In response to Richhoncho's point, though, while "Miami Nights" may not actually be about Miami, it certainly seems that "Everybody loves Miami" and "This is Miami" are. That some entries aren't on-topic just means that the list will need occasional purging, as many lists do. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 22:55, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Philosopher. If I purged any song which wasn't referenced and about Miami, there would be no list, would there? --Richhoncho (talk) 23:03, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

...which problem is easily solved by finding sources for what the songs are about before doing the purging. I did give examples of two songs that are clearly about Miami. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 23:09, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The first of which some of the lyrics are "Miami nights, it was all a dream, If I can get my money right, I'm about to OD, Little more weed, 1st class seats 1st class hoes, we on South Beach." The second of which the lyrics start, "This is not Miami, This is not Bangkok, This is not Milano, This is not New York" and continues in a similar vein. Are either of these songs really about Miami? --Richhoncho (talk) 23:23, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think you misread the post - I noted that the first of those (Miami Nights) was not about Miami. The second, (Everyone Loves Miami) clearly is about Miami - lyrics here. The third is more than a bit silly, but still about Miami. Hey, we're not music critics here. – Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 00:27, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am not certain I agree that any of the three songs are "about Miami," but my opinion is not relevant, it's whether you can find third party references which say they are about Miami, I am happy to strike my oppose if some references can be found. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:42, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:07, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:55, 25 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I would personally recommend merging List of films and television shows set in Miami and List of songs about Miami into something like Miami in Popular Culture so its all in one place. JT_dale^Talk~ 03:31, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with List of films and television shows set in Miami per JTdale, assuming the sources demonstrating Miami's significance in popular culture are available. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:53, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:52, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Meets WP:LISTN with the topic having been discussed as a group or set by reliable sources. Source examples include [1], [2], [3]. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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