Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akello Light
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Consensus to delete following relisting. The Bushranger One ping only 23:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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This is a nicely-written article about a musical producer that contains many references. On investigation, however, it appears that none of these references are reliable, and the many, many releases by this artist all appear to be either self-released or released on independent labels that are not considered "one of the more important indie labels". Many releases are listed with production accredited to very notable people such as 9th Wonder, DJ Premier or Lord Finesse, but these do not appear to be official collaborations, just reworks of other people's music by Akello Light. I'm happy to be convinced otherwise, but at the moment I cannot see any evidence that WP:MUSIC is met. — sparklism hey! 08:22, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — sparklism hey! 08:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Wiki. Deleting this should make Wiki wonder if references even matter. There are way to many indie artists with less than six references with a here today and gone tomorrow write up from what somebody would call important. That fact is that this guy has been on the Gilles Peterson worldwide website, gets a godly amount of reviews and press by underground music blogs and actually gets airplay on Dublab and radio stations. Most indie artists don't get airplay period. The references don't lie. Akello Light was already on 9th Wonder's page before this article appeared. 9th Wonder and Akello Light are both from Winston-Salem so I would think they lurk in the same circle. This information was already on the internet. Yes, all of those high traffic blogs like Earmilk and the mid traffic blogs like Word is Bond posted about this guy. This guy has sometype of Kimya Dawson before Juno came out slash Stevie Moore following. I just saw that you had Akello Light already on 9th Wonders page and decided to shine some light on him. The amount of references must equal the amount of people who are interested in this person. They all are different references. On that note, like Akello Light would probulary say, "Hugs for everybody"! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirleak (talk • contribs) 10:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Sirleak, can you find any reliable sources that show that the criteria for inclusion set out at WP:MUSICBIO are met? If you can, then this article will stay, but at the moment I can't see anything but blog coverage or passing mentions. Thanks — sparklism hey! 10:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello.He has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. Yes, Dublab(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublab) and the DJ was Kutmah (it is in the article). He has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. Yes,cyclicdefrost magazine (http://www.cyclicdefrost.com/blog/2008/07/various-artists-miscellaneous-releases-on-inner-current-records-inner-current/) and Okayplayer (http://www.okayplayer.com/reviews/transcending-project-200608114703.html). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirleak (talk • contribs) 11:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello again Sirleak. I have indented your previous post so that other editors can follow the flow of this conversation.
About your references:
this from Okayplayer is, as far as I can see, about the band Transcending Project, not really about Akello Light. It IS what we would classify as 'non-trivial' coverage though, and the source is pretty reliable. I could be persuaded to accept this as a reliable source if we could find some more examples like it.
The Cyclic Defrost source here does not count towards WP:MUSICBIO as Akello is only mentioned in the review - this is classed as 'trivial' coverage.As for the Dublab radio plays - was his music actually on rotation, or just played once or twice? And do you have a source that could verify this? Good luck! — sparklism hey! 16:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello again Sirleak. I have indented your previous post so that other editors can follow the flow of this conversation.
- Hello.He has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. Yes, Dublab(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublab) and the DJ was Kutmah (it is in the article). He has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. Yes,cyclicdefrost magazine (http://www.cyclicdefrost.com/blog/2008/07/various-artists-miscellaneous-releases-on-inner-current-records-inner-current/) and Okayplayer (http://www.okayplayer.com/reviews/transcending-project-200608114703.html). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirleak (talk • contribs) 11:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Sparklism. Wow!
It seems everything you ask we give, then we also get a but from you (We know you are just doing your job).
Well, we know for a fact Dublab keeps that mix in rotation, but we just emailed them and are looking forward to getting information to send to you in the next 24 hours.
The Okayplayer review is taking about Akello as a producer. It clearly states in the article Akello Light is a music producer also, just not a vocal artist. My team of nerds are trying to shine light on all the aspects of Akello Light, not just his rapping.
We re-edited the article to only keep things that seem to be "noteable" also.
We have added smokingsection.uproxx.com as a reference for the music project "To Hanes Mall"(http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2010/05/video-emilio-sparks-interviews-big-k-r-i-t).
And we also added real radio stations:
WVUM 90.5 (http://wvum.org/index.php/music/www.luceromusic.com/P2926/)
radioadelaidemusic http://radioadelaidemusic.com/2012/05/14/crossing-tracks-playlist-14-may-2012/
KTUH (http://www.timbretantrums.com/2012/02/vd-for-your-earholes.html)
A discussion about an email from Dublab
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Ok, we just got a email from Dublab. Is there a way you can give us your email and we have them email you? Are you can just email him to be on the safe side. His name is Mark "frosty" McNeill. Just email him to confirm it.
How can we email you the his email (it won't allow us to post it here) This is what he emailed us: hi Nayla, Yes! It's a great session. It has definitely been widely enjoyed. Here's the archive. http://dublab.com/kutmah-sketchbook-032409/ Thanks! Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirleak (talk • contribs) 23:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Dublab, I am trying to find out if this mix still gets online airplay, KUTMAH – SKETCHBOOK (03.24.09). Bascially played more than three times. The reason I ask is because Akello Light wiki page wants to mention Kutmah and Dublab, but the people at wiki need proof of this not just beginning a one time play thing. Any help would be great. Hope that makes the process safer and easy for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirleak (talk • contribs) 23:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply] |
P.S.
WVUM 90.5 (These are three different shows from this radio station)
http://wvum.org/index.php/music/playlist/francis_rotation_show_2_3_2010/
http://wvum.org/index.php/music/playlist/a.m._wonderland_17_-_6_7_10_8-10am/
That is pretty much all of information I could find on the internet of Akello Light. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirleak (talk • contribs) 06:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Forgot a major one! Glacéau Vitaminwater (this seems very reliable and notable) (http://www.vitaminwater.co.uk/2010/03/wednesday-power-chart-oscillations-mix-337am.html) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirleak (talk • contribs) 06:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, to summarise then, so far we have one example of non-trivial coverage in a reliable source for one of Akello Light's musical projects (from Okayplayer), a radio play on Dublab, and some more plays on WVUM. I don't really see how the other links you give are adding to the tenuous claims to notability, but I appreciate your efforts here. I still don't think that adds up to Akello Light meeting WP:MUSICBIO. — sparklism hey! 10:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your time Sparklism. We made one last re-edit to the page. Super Hugs To You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirleak (talk • contribs) 05:45, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as lacking in-depth coverage by independent sources. If such sources get added to the article, feel free to ping my talk page. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:46, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 05:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 07:43, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No nontrivial coverage in multiple sources = doesn't pass WP:MUSICBIO. 101.172.127.242 (talk) 08:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- 'Delete - Lacks the significant coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 18:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.