User talk:NicoV

Les Misérables, cleaner bot issue

Hi. Your bot thing has reverted my edit on Les Misérables (2012 film), thus reinstating the problem I fixed. If you check Category:Films based on Les Misérables, you'll see the 2012 film now appears - again - as the first of the films, with all the earlier ones coming later. Clearly, this is chronologically indefensible. We need to change the defaultsorts of all the other articles, or fix just this one. My solution was the most parsimonious one. If you insist on technical correctness, you must now do the work with all the other articles. Or reinstate my edit. Your choice. Over to you. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @JackofOz. I'm sorry, but where did you see that my bot reverted your edit ? Your edit was reverted by User:Joeyconnick according to the history. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 08:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Oops. My mistake. Apologies. :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 08:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Wow, this bot is really smart! Aaron Liu (talk) 11:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Tina Kennard inaccurate synopsis

Hi. Your bot is repeatedly reverting my edits to the Tina Kennard page and providing an inaccurate synopsis about her character arc in The L Word and The L Word Generation Q. I have repeatedly changed the article to what really happened and have provided numerous sources to back it up, but every time, the bot reverts it to the version where it portrays Bette and Tina's narcissist/battered woman relationship as a "strong bond" and sugarcoats the rape scene as break-up sex. Can something be done? I've opened a topic on the talk page but I have a feeling the bot will just ignore it and revert it. Thanks. 2A02:C7C:84CC:9F00:A894:731B:CD11:C9EB (talk) 14:27, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Please look at the page history rather than accusing me of something... My bot is simply putting references after punctuation, which is the correct way on enwiki, cf WP:REFPUNCT. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 15:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

barnstar

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	Red Digital Cinema nice work

Simon Weston's Father

Adding information about Simon Weston's father, David Weston, is highly relevant to this article. Simon discussed the estranged relationship with his father in his autobiography, and understanding these events provides crucial context to his personal story. These details shed light on significant personal challenges he faced, enhancing the reader's understanding of Simon's life and resilience. The inclusion is well-sourced and maintains a neutral tone, adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines. Johnlivingstone86 (talk) 20:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Johnlivingstone86. Why are you telling me this ? NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 06:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

WikiCleanerBot not respecting Template:Bots?

Hello, thank you for maintaining this bot. There is an article, List of Glagolitic inscriptions (16th century), with complex syntax. Am I incorrectly using the template to deny WikiCleanerBot or is WikiCleanerBot not compliant? Ivan (talk) 08:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Иованъ. The bot is partially compliant, it avoids editing articles with some templates ({{GOCEinuse}}, {{Inuse}}, {{In use}}, {{Nobots}}), but it doesn't understand the {{bots}} template. If it's only for the comma moved before the reference, maybe you can try a nowiki tag between them. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 15:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

The page size is already large. The number of nowiki tags needed will grow. Could you make your bot exclusion compliant instead? Ivan (talk) 19:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Иованъ. My bot should now avoid editing pages with {{bots}} which has a deny parameter set. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 11:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, sir! Ivan (talk) 11:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/WPC 092 dump

Hello!

Can you make your bot ignore colons : to fix double headers such as in File:200 hundred mill.jpg. Jonteemil (talk) 17:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jonteemil. Thanks for the idea! I modified WPCleaner to do that and ran my bot on the Files. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 21:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Perfect. Do you thinks edits like Special:Diff/1232042273, Special:Diff/1232042140 and Special:Diff/1232043027 can be automated as well? I suppose it would be a bit harder to code but not impossible I guess? Jonteemil (talk) 16:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jonteemil. Well, I fear that the difficult part is how to avoid incorrect modifications :

• For the first and third diff, it's easy but there's a risk when some parts of the section should also be removed (partial duplicate)
• For the second diff, it makes text go into another section, so risky I think

NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 06:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I understand, thanks anyway for your work. Jonteemil (talk) 17:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Another suggestion

Hello again, do you think you can make your bot ignore the parameters image has rationale=yes and auto=yes to fix situations like File:Madonna Frozen Sickick.png? The heading with the template with the parameters present should then be kept. I've seen many similar cases as this one so the numbers would probably be reduced down quite a bit. Jonteemil (talk) 21:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jonteemil.

I will think about it but it seems complex to implement and to configure in a flexible way. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 16:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I see. Thanks for your work anyway. If you decide to do it here is some info: There are 1177 files in both Category:Wikipedia non-free files with NFUR stated and Category:Wikipedia non-free files for NFUR review, see Special:Search/file: local: incategory:"Wikipedia non-free files for NFUR review" incategory:"Wikipedia non-free files with NFUR stated". Many of these won't be edited since they use two different licensing templates but some use the same template twice and it's these who would be edited. Jonteemil (talk) 13:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Scorpaenopsis oxycephalus

Your bot "fixed" the file names in the gallery. Can you please get it to stop? It's not the first bot to do this. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 02:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Sumanuil, it appears that those file names have invisible Unicode characters in them. You should ask for the files to be moved to names without those characters in them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sumanuil. The problem is that the file names on commons contain invisible Unicode control characters in them, like @Jonesey95 said.

I've requested a renaming on Commons to remove the control characters. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 14:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, but is there some way to keep bots away from file names in future? - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 21:37, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Well @Sumanuil: once the files have been properly renamed on Commons, the bots won't have to remove the invisible unicode control characters in their name, so they won't change them... NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 06:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

That won't solve the larger problem of bots "correcting" file names. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 08:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sumanuil : I don't understand what problem you are referring to ?

Here, files were incorrectly named in Commons because their name contained invisible characters that made them more difficult to use.

In the end, the result of the bot changing the file names is that the files were properly renamed on Commons and in all the articles where they were used. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 08:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

These are not the only file names that contain "errors" from a bot's perspective. There's plenty with misspelled names, extra spaces, and misplaced apostrophes. All might be subject to such "correction" in the future. But, then again, bots don't make these mistakes as often as people. - Sumanuil. _{(talk to me)} 21:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello and thank you in first for your great work in the community. Since you have always cleaned and modified the page with great care often, I wanted to ask you for the possibility and help of having more control authority and a general cleaning of the page of the supermodel Fabio Mancini. Because it is often vandalised unnecessarily. Thank you in advance for your wonderful work 109.52.151.46 (talk) 06:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Cosmetic edit

[1] seems to be a cosmetic edit, could it be possible to detect these kinds of edits and only do them with more substantial changes ? Sohom (talk) 19:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sohom Datta. This was part of the bot request use cases. It would require more development on my side just to exclude some rare cases from automatic fixing, I would prefer to avoid it. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 05:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

It could be argued that the edit is not technically cosmetic. If you mouse over the link prior to the edit, you can see that the link includes a leading space. After the edit, the link does not include a leading space. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Sohom (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

List of crinoid genera

This alteration makes no sense whatsoever. First some idiot went in and changed the reference from "pl. 11" to "p. 111". So I had to correct that. Now you've gone in and moved the colon indicating that what follows is the detail ("Plate 11, fig 8" - just like a page number) to BEFORE the basic reference, which I have now had to go in and correct AGAIN. How does your action IMPROVE wikipedia?? Crinoidphan (talk) 01:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Crinoidphan

First of all, stop being aggressive on my talk page and yelling, or stay out of it...

Second, what is your strange syntax which isn't used anywhere else ? My bot tries to apply WP:MOS. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 06:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm using the syntax used by Webster in Bibliography and Index of Paleozoid Crinoids, Coronates and Hemistreptocrinoids, 1758-2015 [2] p.660:

"CRYPTODISCUS Hall, 1865a, Pl. 11, fig. 8. *C. bilobus Weller, 1897, SD. Hall, 1868, Fig. 18. Weller, S., 1897, p. 744. Weller, 1900, p. 121. Bather in Lankester, 1900, p. 164. Bassler, 1938, p. 77. Bassler and Moodey, 1943, p. 348."

When I cite it as quoted [Pl. 11,] (don't get get sidetracked by the incorrect figure number - I've checked the original and it is fig 18) it gets changed to "p.l11" and people get confused and can't find it [see "clarification needed" comment]. When I correct that and use the word "plate" in full so that won't get changed again, this weird punctuation gets added.

So what syntax should I use to prevent it being incorrectly amended again? Crinoidphan (talk) 10:04, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Crinoidphan. I suggest adding a <sup>...</sup> tag, like this. It also has the advantage of having the text with the same size as the other lines. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 11:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

OK thanks. I've added that to my template for future entries. Crinoidphan (talk) 00:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

can you all kindly stop with this stupid bot nonsense? you introduce more errors than you fix

you're making hours of work that has to be hand re-coded. so would you kindly just stop. i have no confidence that you will. i know coders. they are my friends. but i've never met one willing to concede that their tech handyness is trumped by their lack of real-world comprehension. its a solipsistic world of self-congratulation. their needs to be some more strict evaluation before these ecosystem degrading pathogens are unleashed on the people doing the real work - the work that requires subject matter expertise - say about copy-editing perhaps. Shorepine (talk) 23:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Shorepine, please link to diffs of edits that you object to. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

thanks for touching base @Jonesey95. i was having a moment of generalized frustration with a number of bots that work by overwriting pages and files. some of which have created serious problems.

my concern is not primarily with the rule set the bot implements (that is a whole discussion about national punctuation standards, reasons to depart from the standard in specific use cases), but its mode of operation - overwriting. i appreciate the approach taken by bots whose the mode of operation is to provide instant notification of an error (an error like coding a link to a disambiguation page) or a notice of an error as an alert rather than overwriting. if its possible to implement a notice and the option to accept the changes, rather than an overwrite without notice that may go unnoticed and create possible issues, that is my preference. Shorepine (talk) 19:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Shorepine, if you actually want help, link to a problematic diff, or to a page that a bot has edited incorrectly. If you do not provide links to specific edits, nobody can help you. The only recent edit I can find that you appear to have objected to is this valid edit; see MOS:REFPUNCT.

I don't know what you mean by "overwrite". Bots edit in the same way as other editors. If a bot is causing a problem on a specific page, contact the bot's owner, link to the diffs that show the problem, and ask for help. If that does not work, many bots can be excluded from a page (with a valid reason) using {{Bots}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Shorepine.

Given your rather impolite message, and the lack of actual facts confirming what you said (stupid bot nonsense, more errors than you fix, hours of work...), I suggest that either:

• You provide actual facts (diffs) showing that my bot edits are causing troubles, as already requested several times by @Jonesey95.
• Apologize
• Leave this talk page

I tend to provide fixes when actual problems are reported, so I don't really appreciate your message about developers in general. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 07:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

i was expressing a general sense of frustration. not so much at the rule set your bot implements but its mode of operation. i made that clear. my minimal request is for a notice to recent editors that your bot has edited the page. i understand your taking offense at my general remarks, which were mainly directed at poorly written bots that wreck pages and files. i've expressed my appreciation for some bots and their mode of operation specifically. but when i look through page history and see a bot has operated / overwritten / automatically edited a page, i do find i have to check the page carefully to make sure it hasnt been corrupted in some way. but again, that is because of how some bots and therefor bots in general operate, not your bot specifically necessarily. you may be intimately familiar with the specifics of your bot, but you cant expect the average editor to have that knowledge. its the automation, without a specific human editor reviewing and approving the edits that concerns me. that bots are not being reviewed properly is evident in how some are creating problems. that is my issue. your bot may be perfect in its edits, but what can editor know of that without rviewing the edits. if problems arent caught in time, and edits are subsequently made without being aware of them, it multplies the effort needed to correct the. Shorepine (talk) 22:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

User:WikiCleanerBot lint tasks

Hey, I was wondering if it is possible for your bot's lint tasks (7, 10, 17, 22) edits to be tagged with the Special:Tags "fixed lint errors" so this can be better tracked. Thanks! Gonnym (talk) 11:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Gonnym.

Not possible with the current code. I will see what I can do when I have free time to develop on WPCleaner. NicoV ^{(Talk on frwiki)} 12:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)