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Gladiolus crassifolius

Hello!

Your recent change to Gladiolus thomsoni involved redirecting it to a nonexistent page, Gladiolus crassifolius. Please try to make sure this is a constructive edit by finding the correct link and redirecting properly to that page.

Thank you!

Happy Editing! --Stealthrabbit ^{Say it, baby, say it!} 15:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for pointing this out and for your concern. In this case, however, if you look at my contributions you'll see that the Gladiolus crassifolius page was created just before the redirect was made. The redirect works and it's history, as I'm writing this, shows that there have been no further edits to it. Thanks again, Mehmet Karatay 16:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Steenbok

So, Mehmet, what do you think I need to do to bring the article up to standard? I have invested a lot of effort into this piece and it contains most of the information that I can find on the species... Thanks—GRM 19:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've replied to this on the Steedbok discussion page. Hope it helps. Ask if you need any help. Mehmet Karatay 21:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mehmet: thanks for the feedback. I'll try and address it soon. My keeness at this stage is quite restricted re mammal articles, but I'd be happy to check the two Grysbok spp. once Steenbok is dealt with. Thanks again—GRM 07:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Mehmet: thanks for the feedback re the distribution map. I also figured out the referencing system—what do you think? Cheers—GRM 19:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was just writing something on the Steenbok discussion page actually. :-) It should be done in a few minutes. Mehmet Karatay 19:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mehmet: the distribution map is certainly more professional than the one I produced! Comparing with Kingdon (as the most recent published source):

Distibution is now more fragmented...
In the west, it does not at any point reach the west coast; western distribution southwards stops at the Orange River
In the south-east, it is restricted to a "rump" between the "point" east of Durban, west to the foothills of the Drakensbergs, south-west to the Orange river, then looping back to about East London
I am surprised that the species is now apparently absent from the Cape, but I haven't ever been there!
The continuous block from the west: southern border runs from first bulge in Orange river, north-east "along Botswana border" and follows Limpopo river right around, but dropping south to Maputo
Northern boundary of southern block follows Save river round to Harare (I saw one at Harare airport in 1987), then loops back in a bulge northward towards the west coast (but with a gap in the distribution north and east of Victoria Falls)
There is an "isolated" population at the Zambezi-Shire junction
The bulk of the eastern population now forms a mini-Africa shape defined by SE corner of L Victoria, to the Equator NW of Nairobi, down to Mombassa (with an "arm" up the coast to the Somali border), then from the Tanzania border (coast) to a point just NE of the northen tip of L Malawi
Isolated populations: SW corner of L Victoria; N of the Equator above Nairobi; an L-shape from N to SE of L Rukwa

Hope it helps!—GRM 12:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized that you said that you'd digitized my map! Sorry for not picking that up earlier. So what exactly were you offering to do in terms of "moving borders"? Country borders? Distribution borders? Thanks again—GRM 11:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was just wondering if you thought I got any of the boundaries for the red region in the wrong place now that all the countries show up. The base map and your drawing didn't line up exactly (probably due to different projections) so I may have drawn the red line in the wrong places, especially around Namibia and the coast near Mozambique.

I'm planning on doing Kingdon's one at some stage, but I'm not sure when I'll have the time. I have the Kingdon Pocket Guide to African Mammals and the distribution you describe sounds similar. I think the book I have is just a subset of the full book, with only identification in mind. I've been wondering about the copyright issues of simply digitizing the version in Kingdon though? Mehmet Karatay 12:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest that scanning and digitizing is breach of copyright—sorry! However, if one starts with a base map and copies someone else's work (e.g. Kingdon's) and state "based on...." that should be OK. Cheers—GRM
I decided to drop in "your" version of "my" map (quotes used because we waivered copyright for Wikipedia!)—GRM 13:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No need to be sorry, that was the impression I was under about the scanning as well. Well the version on the Steenbok discussion page is simple based on yours, which in turn was "based on" your source so they should both have the same status. I might leave the Kingdon one for now, unless you want to work together again where you draw it and I digitize it? Mehmet Karatay 12:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mehmet: why not send me over your digitized outline in a form I can print. I'll sketch in the distribution rescan and send back...some time!—GRM 17:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing

Dear Mehmet, I just came across Wikipedia talk:Citing sources and it appears that "they" do not favour the "Footnote" system over the Harvard system of referencing (or vice versa)... however, I have left a message on that Talk page to see what "they" say. Just FYI [for your information]—GRM 08:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would direct your attention to that page -- while article editors are welcome to discuss the benefits of various systems for a particular article, there is no community preference between Harvard and footnotes. Featured articles may, and do, use either system. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank both of you for the advice. GRM I hope I didn't cause you too much inconvenience. Mehmet Karatay 18:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem—GRM 12:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maintenance

Mehmet: why not add your name to the maintenance box for this entry, or is that primarily for factual into, which seems to be in my court?—GRM 19:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Sig

Thanks for fixing my sig code ~~but when I put it into my preferences and tested on the sandbox it made this. Why? Can you fix it please?~~

Done Got it! Gosh I feel dumb I forgot to check the raw sig link when I did the sandbox test. Superball53 t 17:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Competition aerobatics

Discussion actually took place on Daleh's talkpage.

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I've tagged the fair use image you uploaded box.gif for deletion, as I've created an alternative free svg version of it. For future reference, I do not believe the image counted as fair use as it is easily replicable. Also please remember to use a fair use rational for each image. You might well do that now as the image in question was uploaded two years ago. :-) If there is anything that you would like me to fix or change with the new aerobatic box.svg let me know, or feel free to change it yourself. Thanks. Mehmet Karatay 13:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mehmet, thanks for the new SVG file, I really like it. Thanks for the effort. (I hope you dont mind, but I do have a comment. Perhaps the ground could be a bit more prominent, and green? So that it makes it a little more obvious that the box floor is above the ground?) With regards to the gif image that I uploaded, there are so many licenses, and although I spent a considerable amount of time looking into it, I didnt (and still dont) understand the licenses and their diferences. Is there a "dummys guide to Wikipedia Image Licensing"? :-) I dont upload images for this very reason, (even if I do get permision) unless I created them myself. Thanks again. --Daleh 08:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you like the new file. I was thinking about the ground being emphasised as well. Of course I don't mind you having a comment. That was why I asked you if everything was okay with it. :-) I'll make that change when I have a bit of spare time, I have a good idea of how to go about it.

Regarding the guide to Image Licensing I'll try to explain a few things here. Most images you find will be copyrighted and therefore not suitable for use on Wikipedia. For images you don't create yourself, unless it explicitly qualifies as one of the licenses on commons:Copyright tags then it is generally not suitable. If it does qualify, then there should be little doubt that the appropriate license is applicable. The most common licenses that get used for images found elsewhere are copyright expiry (usually older than 70 years since death of author) or the work belonging to the United States Government or NASA.

Fair use is where it gets a bit more interesting. For an image to qualify as fair use you have to prove that it cannot be replicated freely and that its use will not adversely affect the copyright holder. For each article that the image appears in, you must give a fair use rational explaining why it adds to the article in a way that a free image would not. Fair use is mostly used for historical events, deceased people where a photograph can no longer be taken, album covers or film/television scenes. Image:Batian_first_ascent_low_res.jpeg is the only image I've uploaded as fair use and it hopefully gives examples of the points I'm attempting to make. Image:Najimy_MaryPatrick.jpg has an example of a well written fair use rational.

To summarise, most images you find will not be suitable for use on Wikipedia which is probably why you were struggling to find a license. If the image is available under a free license then that commons link will have a description which fits exactly. Finally, here are a few pages which may help:

commons:Copyright tags Any free license you use will be listed here. The descriptions are usually helpful.
Wikipedia:Free image resources has links to sites where the images are under a free license.
Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/All#Fair_use has specific fair use tags, but remember you must in addition supply a fair use rational for every page the image appears on.
Commons:help desk is a good place to ask if you are unsure about the copyright status of a particular image.

Don't let the licensing discourage you from putting images on here, just try to ask someone beforehand if you are unsure about which license applies. I hope this helps, but if anything is unclear ask and I'll try to clarify what I've said. Mehmet Karatay 09:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all this info. If I'm ever in doubt I will seek your advice! --Daleh 16:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've put some ground in now, hope you like it. Mehmet Karatay 12:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And this pic looks great. Cool little aeroplane. --Daleh 16:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid I can't take any credit for the aeroplane or the man as they are both from the Open Clip Art Library. I merely rotated the plane for the desired effect. Mehmet Karatay 17:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom of the press in Italy

Per your request, I proofread your copyedit of Freedom of the press in Italy. If you missed any errors, I didn't uncover them after reading it three times. Good work. If you have any more proofread requests in the future, we have a page set aside just for that purpose here. Thank you Trusilver 00:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your help. I'll use that page from now on, I must have missed it earlier. Mehmet Karatay 05:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Mehmet, for taking time to respond. Re: the offending quote (my calling it "nonsense in English" was a little harsh, sorry!) could you post here or on the discussion page for Freedom of the press in Italy the original Italian? I can probably do a better translation one way or another. I can't improve the present one without the original. Thanks a lot... Jlhughes (JH(emendator) 23:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I think you misunderstood what I meant. :-) I don't speak any Italian at all, and I completely agree that the the quote was "nonsense in English." In fact, I couldn't decipher what was being said, which is why I left it. As for the original quote my guess would be that it is on the Italian Wikipedia from which someone else translated it.

What I was saying is that the entire article was written in a similar style before my clean up. After dealing with so much text which made no sense my head hurt; I just saved my work as I didn't feel like dealing further with my own draft copy-edit. So thank you for copy-editing my clean up. It's much better now.

If you speak Italian could you see if the article still has the same meaning as the Italian original? If you're too busy or don't want to do that I understand. Mehmet Karatay 09:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mehmet.

I see what you mean now.

I'm not fluent (enough) in Italian to do the whole article, at least not quickly. With the help of a dictionary I've redone the Article 28 quote. Thanks for pointing me to the Italian version. Let's see if there is someone who is fluent to read it through. If no one picks it up, I can whittle away at it slowly. JH(emendator) 10:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MaTalk template

Could you define the parameters for this template? It appears the template page provides for usage but not the acceptable values to be passed to the template. Thank you. --Blind Eagle^{talk~contribs} 13:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added what I think is the correct description to the MaTalk page now. I should mention that it wasn't me who added the various parameters to MaTalk, all I did was add the photo of the Okapi when I was first starting out on Wikipedia. The parameters were added by User:Quadell on the 29th of July, so if you have any problems with them I think you should ask Quadell. I hope this helps and I hope my documentation (modified from Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Project banner) is correct. :-) Mehmet Karatay 14:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well done. Thank you. --Blind Eagle^{talk~contribs} 14:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]